Mini 536: Heroes Smalltown. Game Over!

[ZONEACE]

so TSQ picked ando and shaft prepicked nathan. So I'm gonna go with Parkman.

[ZONEACE]

Policy OMGUS

VOTE TSQ

[ZONEACE]

fos CKD

for his reaction to cam. That was rather unusual.

[ZONEACE]

fos CKD

for his reaction to cam. That was rather unusual.

K, how bout some not already discussed insight?

no thats all i got for now.

[ZONEACE]

I wasn't clear. That's the only insight i felt like sharing so far. My bad.

[ZONEACE]

Just for the record, I'm not scum.

[ZONEACE]

Could you be a little more desperate? I mean really. We all know you're a jack ass that likes to harass me, lets try not to make this person ok?

[ZONEACE]

Yeah...I've been thinking about this for a while, and the person I most want to see swing is zoneace. Literally the only things he has done this game are:

1) Posted saying he had noticed one thing.
2) When pressured said he had noticed more, but was witholding it.
3) Ignored questioning about that.
4) Posted something to the effect of "I'm totally not scum, I promise."
5) Said I was attacking him for OOG reasons, while STILL ignoring my questions.
6) Lurked like a mother fucker.

Unvote, Vote: Zoneace

FoS: Stay on CKD and Shaft.ed

Unvote Vote: No Lynch

I think this is the best solution in this game situation. We don't risk lynching pro-town powers, and we give those people a chance to make themselves useful.

I do admit I've been ignoring TSQ. I'm not going to answer his questions about my observcations today because well, it's day one of a day start game where we know EVERYONE'S power, I'd rather not blow my load yet. I think we need a night of activities before we can make a legitimate attempt at locating our resident scums.

I await further attempts by TSQ to justify his policy lynch.

[ZONEACE]

umm because i think lynching someone simply because they are vanilla is a bad idea. A lynch for lynches sake is a bad lynch. Lynching someone just because you're supposed to lynch (in general) is not a sufficient reason.

[ZONEACE]

oh christ, this bullshit again.


yay



seriously, you guys, why the fuck is me not answering shea scummy?


he's being petulant. And if he got his head of his ass he'd realize ive actually answered more than one of his questions, i just didn't direct my answers at him.


so lets all try reading again, and then getting back to me.

[ZONEACE]

I'm feeling a ZA wagon pretty strongly right now, truth to tell.

Unvote, Vote: ZONEACE

Now who is being...

suspiciously wavering in his accusations

now????

By your standards that deserves a vote. Now that Thestatusquo has moved his vote back to ZA, I am no longer the bandwagon that is in the limelight. Was the CKD bandwagon not good enough for you, "truth to tell"? Why do you keep following Thestatusquo vote? or is it the bandwagon of the hour?

What happened to this question?

I do admit I've been ignoring TSQ. I'm not going to answer his questions about my observcations today because well, it's day one of a day start game where we know EVERYONE'S power, I'd rather not blow my load yet. I think we need a night of activities before we can make a legitimate attempt at locating our resident scums.

As per what I said above, I believe that day 1 discussion is useful, even in this game, seeing that everyone's alive and all. What exactly, in your opinion, is the potential harm in this?

You didnt seem to think that a vote on ZA was warrented here, what changed in the past 2 posts?

Vote Gorgon

Oh good I'm not the only who looked at that post and went, WOW THAT WAS SCUMMY.

[ZONEACE]

i explained it already shafted RTFG.

[ZONEACE]

then why is he asking the same damn question like he didn't the post? I explained why i voted No lynch, when i did so. Those are reasons, i have no others. would he like me now to make up something?

[ZONEACE]

you make it sound like im trying to end the day in the next half hour.

which isn't the case.

i voted no lynch cause thats what i feel is the best choice for today.

[ZONEACE]

-Zoneace, thanks for the clarification. If you could make an argument as to why you think it's more important to keep power roles around than to garner lynching information that'd be nice.

Its day one, what sort of useful lynching info are you expecting to get? In my experience, day one is more about wild speculation, based on NOTHING. that's all well in good in a closed format, or even an open format, but this format is different guys, WE KNOW THE POWER WE'RE LYNCHING, in other formats day 1 you have no clue and therefore no reason to expect you're voting for a doc or a cop or a RB so baseless speculation is less damaging, but here baseless speculation will cause us to lose someone important guranteed. We can prevent that, allow night actions to happen, and go from there tomorrow, with some REAL information.


as for people saying im scummy cause Im not blwoing my top, well Im make a genuine effort to stay cool, mostly as an attempt to spite shea and not give him what he wants (me red in face and fighting about something stupid) but also because i realize when i get heated it is detrimental to the game.

[ZONEACE]

Ok the point im trying to make and clearly failing at so far is there is no point in pressuring ANYONE today. The reason we try to lynch people day one in other games is because we have NO GURANTEE of information come day 2 and we have to start somewhere. In this game, we have a gurantee. The power roles are already known to EVERYONE. they don't have to worry about coming forward day 2 with their results and their targets fearing the mafia will kill them. in this game everyone is equally vulnerable to mafia attack cause we already know who has what power and that almost everyone has a power. If we end the day we get to the night when we can be the most useful to the town (at least at this point in the game) and then get to day with everyone revealing all their info.


each of us will far more useful tomorrow. anything we do today is just a result of pulling things out of our collective, ignorant asses.

[ZONEACE]

Why did you vote him, TSQ?

voting me wasn't netting the result he was hoping for.

[ZONEACE]

Ok I got prodded, sorry bout not being here guys, the last few days have been a little weird, i got stranded at a friends house cause of the weather, etc etc. But I'm back.

I still think No Lynch is the way to go today. But Oman is starting to look suspicious to me. He seems to be making a concerted effort to assert his townliness. I've noticed a handful of posts that havee pretty much said "hai guys im town." Saying that isn't exceptionally scummy, but the repetition seems to be almost from desperation. so

FOS oman

but my unless something drastic happens my vote will be staying where it is until the end of the day.

[ZONEACE]

oh lord, you're still demanding answers from me? Could you maybe repost the question since i have no clue what your talking about anymore. I thought we had all moved on.

[ZONEACE]

I'm not TRYING to pass off every action you make as somehow having to do with me, most of them genuinely seem like they do have something to do with me.

[ZONEACE]

I'd rather not hand over my role to any just yet.

[ZONEACE]

I'm still not clear how suggesting no lynch today is so scummy. The only way we GURANTEE we don't lose a pro-town power role is to lynch TSQ. Otherwise it's just a crap shoot and odds are we lose someone useful.

[ZONEACE]

Umm simple, Eden can cause mafia players to use their abilities on each other, Mohinder can recieve results from investigative roles or the names of targets of other people in case they are targeted for death. As for the haitian, yeah, theres nothing useful about a roleblocker that can prevent people from being target by powers.


As for lynch votes being useful, yes they can be, day one, i find they usually aren't since it's such a crapshoot. Everyone is voting based on little to no info.

[ZONEACE]

So you're saying you're done playing towards your win condition, and you're just going lie for the hell of it like a petulant child who didn't get her way? If thats the case then we need to lynch you right away. Lying is one thing, it has a pro town use. blatantly saying "I am no longer telling the truth because you're all not going to lynch liars" is decidedly anti town, and I'm willing to lynch you for it right here and now.

Vote: Adele

oy, grow up, she has a good point. If we don't go with Lynch All Liars, then who the fuck are we going to lynch? cause honesty is sort of key to us winning here.

[ZONEACE]

i think we need to worry about the people not willing to lynch liars, cause they're either not playing to their win condition or their playing to a non-town win condition, either way, we should get rid of them.

[ZONEACE]

. If I claim vanilla when I am actually a cop to avoid getting NKed so that I can get to more investigation results,

Umm did you forget the part of the game where we already know YOU'RE THE ONLY VANILLA IN THE GAME???? In this game lying about your role is pointless, because we friggin know everyone's already. In a normal game, yes a cop claiming vanilla to avoid NK is a viable option, but in a game like this, give me a good reason why i shouldn't lynch someone caught lying?????


I dare you shea. come on. Why are you SO averse to lynching liars. you planning on lying to us later? want to set up your defense now?

[ZONEACE]

Anything else, I believe, is a cop out, and is not sound town play.

and how is lying a sound town play??? honestly, in this set up its not. We know the roles, we know what they do, and we know who has them. What else is there?? If someone lies about who they targeted or the result they got, then we should lynch them because they are witholding inportant or falsifying true information from the town, and that is strictly ANTI TOWN

[ZONEACE]

SO he's setting up a defense for his scum buddy then shaft. honestly what he's saying is shite. plain and simple. His reasoning is bogus.

[ZONEACE]

Zoneace, my example was pretty clearly not directly related to this game. You would know that, if you were at all reading my responses for any reason other than to try to find inconsistancies to ridicule me on. Pretty damn opportunistic.

WHATS THE POINT OF ARGUING AN EXAMPLE FOR A GAME THAT ISNT THIS ONE AND DOESNT HAVE THE SAME SET UP AS THIS ONE.


you're just wasting all of our time and energy at that shea. Stick to the game at hand. It will be infinitely more useful

[ZONEACE]

2) I am not going to lie, but if I did, I would think that it would be viewed as pro town because I don't really have any anti town things to lie about.

Wow, that makes sense. Yeah cause you being mafia would not give you any anti-town things to lie about.


god i am SOO close to voting you. your completely useless power wise and you're proving yourself useless logic wise.

[ZONEACE]

ugh, shea, you are so pointless, im not even gonna waste my vote on you. you have nothing to add to the game, you're just an annoyance is best ignored i see. You still havent explained how you would have anything protown to lie about. Why do you keep setting up a defense for your future lies? Honestly, your presence in this game is without anything point. We don't need you. but its not even worth it to lynch you.


So anyone that actually can make a difference in this game and wants the town to win have anything to add?

[ZONEACE]

P.S. I already explained how that was a false argument, and not one I'm actually persueing.

So you're just including more useless shit in this game that we dont need. First arguments about examples for games that aren't this one, now arguments about how you lying is ok but really you're faking the arguments. And how is anything I did a scumtell when you keep lying and distracting from the game at hand? Honestly, are you even trying to be town in this game? Really, I want to know. are you going to continue being as anti-town as possible or are you really gonna try and help us win? Cause if you're going to go one being a useless twat and working against us, then please, have yourself replaced so we can, you know, actually play the game.

[ZONEACE]

Umm ive been playing htis game, ive given soilid reasons for my vote. Shea on the other hand continues to lie, and distract from this game by talking about OTHER GAMES. and its cute you defending your friend. maybe take a look at the fact that he's lying, and defending anyone willing to lie.

[ZONEACE]

We know the roles. WE know that unless we lynch shea, we will lynch a power role. Its day one, most lynches day one are townies, so odds are, we're gonna lynch a powerrole. Why not let night one happen, so we can get, you know, so facts and then go from there. Honestly, what is so damn hard about understanding that No Lynch is a GOOD IDEA. I HATE SHEA and would love nothing more than for him to be out of this game, but its not a smart play. No Lynch is the play today. Tomorrow, it may be shea, but today no. If we HAD to lynch someone today, then yes, he would be the choice because we gurantee we don't lose a protown power. But we DONT HAVE TO LYNCH somoene today, and doing so will likely be detrimental to the town. So why risk it? Why not wait til we have you, at least a little real info to go on.

[ZONEACE]

Honestly, was it any secret that I can't stand shea? He likes to regulary harrass me on AIM as well as here.

Did you happen to miss the part of my post where i said he wasnt the lynch today? Yes i have a personal bia but unlike him however, i can put that aside in this game. I don't want to lynch him today. If i were as biased as you claim I'd be voting for him since the first moment of the day and wouldn't unvote until one of us was dead.

[ZONEACE]

so you're claiming you don't have a bias? and neither does he? Please, thats BS. I admitted my bias, but it's not affecting my play. Its there, but its not going to influence my vote.

[ZONEACE]

thats a fucking lie


Im trying to point out that his logic is crap and that he is lying and advocating others to lie. which is exactly what he's doing.

[ZONEACE]

you strongest scum tell is crap. cause im far from scum. But then again, you really dont care if I am.

[ZONEACE]

as far as I know ive never playd with him, so im not about ot comment on his skill.

[ZONEACE]

there is no logic to it, i reacted to your little "trap" because you said something that was complete bullshit. Am i now not supposed to call bullshit when bullshit is being played?


Honestly, how is saying your little point 2 was bullshit a scum tell? you have yet to explain that.


ANd theres a difference from witholding hunches (what I'm doing) and withholding/lying about actualy concrete info (what you are suggesting is ok for townies to do for some reason)

[ZONEACE]

umm there was nothing to respind to on the first one, it was just you repeating your same bullshit defense of lying. Which id explained, was, well, BULLSHIT

And as for number 3, im supposed to know you're not bright enough to realize the difference between withholding unsolid/hunched info and withholding solid, night actioned info. Nothing i could have seen in the first couple of pages could have been even REMOTELY concrete, that should have been obvious, what with the lack of night and me not being a day tracker and all. But clearly that was a poor assumption on my part.

[ZONEACE]

Also, the hunch thing. No there isn't. In fact, there is even less reason to withhold a hunch, because a hunch has absolutely no ability to be detrimental to the town if revealed.

yeah thats not completely false or anyhting. I completely admit that I could be wrong in my hunch, and if i reveal it, it leads to a lynch and I'm wrong, we just lost a useful townie. So you see, until i get some more solid info I'd rather not discuss it. The last time i went with a day one hunch i fucked up Match of Champions completely.

[ZONEACE]

no they didnt
i jsut told you they didnt have substantive responses. There is no response to 1 cause you're dead set in your defense of liars plan. For some reason you think lying is the key to the town winning.

and the third. i bad an incorrect assumption about your ability to see the difference between a hunch and real, fact based assumptions.

so your scumtell jsut gets weaker and weaker by the minute, but go on believing you've caught the scum if thats really what makes you feel better.

[ZONEACE]

no they didnt
i jsut told you they didnt have substantive responses. There is no response to 1 cause you're dead set in your defense of liars plan. For some reason you think lying is the key to the town winning.

and the third. i

made

an incorrect assumption about your ability to see the difference between a hunch and real, fact based assumptions.

so your scumtell jsut gets weaker and weaker by the minute, but go on believing you've caught the scum if thats really what makes you feel better.

bold is a correction

[ZONEACE]

whatever, you're set in your "scumtell" but it will be proven wrong before the game is over and everyone will see in the future your tell is complete WIFOM bullshit.


ok, back to ignoring the pointless little man.

[ZONEACE]

Shea's argument satisifies me, I am more unnerved by zoneace than shaft.ed right now, but only cause I feel he's stopped fabricating craplogic.

Unvote vote ZONEACE

Hmm willingness to lynch the tracker based on the argument stemming from a fabricated tell trap set up by someone trying to lynch me for personal reasons.


Interesting.

[ZONEACE]

moving my sites to the biggest bandwagon? not really. No lynch is still the way to go today. tomorrow it may be oman, but today its not.

But nice mischaracterization of my post.

[ZONEACE]

you people are so stupid. you are going to lose your tracker DAY 1 in an attack led by a POWERLESS person with a grudge.


Also Adele, his points have not been substantive. He made 1 decent point, singular, everything else has been crap and bogus. but whatever, ill die, you'll all lose the tracker and then you'll lynch shea when you see he's completely full of shit. Why do i keep singing up for games with townies that have no sense


oh and adele, i won't be passing my ability on, ive said i don't agree with pass abilities around so soon, and now, with your reasonsing, i wont be giving my ability to you any time soon because you're jsut folling along with crap reasoning which is highly suspicious.

[ZONEACE]

why are we still discussing a ZA lynch? IF we are going to lynch someone it should be TSQ, but even that is a bad idea. Seriously. Do you all not realize how terrible of an idea it is to lynch the tracker day one in this game? If you were going to lynch someone today, why wouldn't you lynch the vanilla? Whatever, i clearly have no influence in this game today, so I'm gonna sit back and let you all decide what my fate is.

[ZONEACE]

I'm not liking ZA's last post. The switch from No Lynch, to "if you lynch, lynch Shea" is disturbing as it has been pointed out that there are roles worse than vanilla.

I HAVEN'T SWITCHED

I've been saying for a while that no lynch is the way to go but if you do lynch someone, TSQ is the best choice because then the town does not lose anyone of use (powerwise).

FOS shafted and oman

oman jumped on the easiest deflection wagon from his AND when he got caught he unvoted, and shafted insists on making things up and ignoring facts.

[ZONEACE]

ZA: Argumentative and unhelpful at times. Voted no lynch very early. He did explain his reasons for this, but they don't read right to me ... he was pretty set against any discussion or pressuring day 1

Umm, i wasn't against discussion, i was against lynching/pressuring. As I feel its a pretty big risk to take for us today, knowing what we know. The risk on day one in other games is less significant so i felt we should be careful here. I'm still trying to figure out what was so bad about that.

[ZONEACE]

I am terribly troubled by zoneace I have to say. If I was going to Lynch someone who is not Oman it would be Zoneace. With very little explanation he is pushing a No Lynch solution - which is anathema to me because

Oman must die

and he refuses to consider giving his power to Peter/Adele. He provides no explanation for this and refuses to respond to arguments. He only pops in long enough to blame Shea for picking on him. How can anyone reason with you, Zoneace? How can we explore ideas if you won't discuss them and maybe change your mind?

well more useless bullshit about me. How many people just have to make shit up in an attempt to get me lynched? I have GIVEN REASONS FOR MY NO LYNCH SO STOP MAKING SHIT UP.

I explained why i wasn't willing to give my power to adele at this time, so again stop lying.

[ZONEACE]

1) I just think waiting until we get a MODICUM of actual info before we kill a known power is a decent idea.

2) because, if we can't trust Oman, we can't trust adele (we can't trust you, we can't trust me). Why should i give my power to somoene night 1 that i have no reason to trust yet? Also, what's wrong with a little self preservation. Until i get some idea of who i can trust, i'm gonna self preservate the fuck out of this game. I mean honestly, why is that a problem? You want the tracker to try and not survive?