Mini 543 - Election Day - Game Over!

[hasdgfas]

/confirm

rules questions:
If there is a manual vote for open polls, the game will go straight from there to night? Otherwise it auto goes to open polls after a month?

Only true voting that is in thread is for immunity? other votes are just like FoSes basically?

That's it for now. If I think of other questions, I will ask when I think of them.

[hasdgfas]

random vote for

immunity: opie

[hasdgfas]

well, once we decide who to give immunity to, we can open polls as soon as he/she has the most votes for immunity. It's just like normal mafia, except in reverse. You want votes during the day.

[hasdgfas]

rules question

Are votes counted survivor style, where we don't know who voted or will we know who voted for whom?

[hasdgfas]

FOS: Akonas

self immunity looks scummie.

Somehow true... But that kind of action seems attracting attentions, I still have a doubt that a scum would attract attention like that.

Hello Mr. WIFOM. How are you today?

[hasdgfas]

I'm having trouble seeing anything as "scummy" this early, and the way we're supposed to play this game.

Frankly, I'm terribly confused at the moment. I'm seeing it as playing backwards, i.e. awarding immunity. It's...weird.

I find it pretty awesome. Playing a different game often makes you think differently about a more normal game, causing you to have more good insight.

[hasdgfas]

vote: hasdgfas

- Pretty much the whole WIFOM comment strikes me as scummy. Scum love to holler WIFOM to discount arguments with nothing more than 5 letters. And people just accept it.

WIFOM is one of those things that works kinda like that. Someone makes a WIFOM argument: "Scum wouldn't do X because they know that it's a bad idea."

Right, but then we go thinking WIFOMy. While it might be stupid, it still might happen. We can't say that Akonas isn't scum because of attracting attention to himself. Who says that scum don't want to attract attention to themselves? Maybe they feel that attracting attention to themselves is townie and want to do it. Saying something that is WIFOM is still WIFOM. Someone pointing it out doesn't make it less so. Something that is WIFOM is still a bad argument, whether someone says that it's WIFOM or not.

vote: akonas

reasons: OMGUS is bad; farside has had excellent insight so far IMO, and the whole self-immunity thing.

immunity: farside

I've liked what he's said so far.

[hasdgfas]

I think the whole self-immunity thing has been discounted; it's in the interests of both town and scum. As a townie, well, it can get things riled up, get people to jump on you (either they don't realize it, or they're trying to mislead the town).

Vote:hasdgfas.

It was not just for self-immunity. You OMGUS'ed farside without reasoning, when he had pretty good reasons for all his statements. Now you OMGUS me for voting you, saying that my vote was unreasonable because the self-immunity "scumtell" has been discounted? Fine, it is a null-tell, but that was not my only reason for voting you. OMGUSFOS'ing farside for no good reason. You OMGUS'ing me now and trying to twist my words makes me even happier with my vote.

[hasdgfas]

I have to agree with opie. I didn't think anything of a pairing of akonas and Holy until akonas mentioned something. In addition, why would he just think that farside and I are a team. I said I liked what he has said so far. He hasn't said much of anything about me from what I've seen, so why does he automatically assume that we're grouped together?

[hasdgfas]

then says Akonas FOS on me and his statement was also the reason he voted for Akonas. I felt like hasdfas has back tracked a bit here.

I had 3 reasons behind my vote, but akonas was trying to say that it was only because of the self-immunity point. Yes, that was a large talking point, but it was not the only reason behind my vote of akonas. So unless you clarify what you mean by backtracking, I don't see any backtracking by me.

[hasdgfas]

Gives immunity to me (female by the way) saying the FOS was insightful, admits it is a null tell

Sorry about the gender issues, avatars confuse me genderwise.

I did not say the FOS was what was insightful. Was that all you had done throughout the game so far? no. You had said many other things which I had like.
Null tell on the self-immunity, yes, but as I just mentioned, that was not my only reason for voting.


Also, you find me suspicious because I asked whether votes were hidden or not? It wasn't clarified in the rules, so why shouldn't I ask for clarification? Anyone can be hurt or helped by hidden voting. Why would you think that I want my vote to be hidden? That seems to be what you're insinuating here. I wanted to clarify because everyone's strategy changes based on whether we know who voted for whom or not.

Also, could you clarify what you're trying to say with the WIFOM'ing there? I don't know what you're saying

[hasdgfas]

Ah, well. She used a WIFOM argument, I pointed it out, and then she was trying to defend her point with more WIFOM, which she stated herself. Sorry about confusing you.

Maybe the question did help scum, and so I apologize for that, but my playstyle would be totally different if the answer was different, and I wanted to know how I should play. If they were hidden votes, we would need to go after the more lurker, mysterious people more because the hidden votes help them, but since we will know who voted for whom, they can't hide behind that wall of secrecy, and have to start stating opinions or we will call them out when they vote for someone after they said little to nothing about that person throughout the day.

[hasdgfas]

Let's actually have some serious discussion so we can avoid getting deadlined.

[hasdgfas]

oh right, I forgot about the Election Day deadline. 16 days away then, we have time, but people need to weigh in on what they've seen so far.

[hasdgfas]

Let's just play this like we would a normal mafia game, except at the end of the day, before deadline, we vote for immunity for whomever we think is the most pro-town. We could have someone keep an unofficial vote count and then when someone reaches what would be lynch status, we all vote for immunity then open the polls.

[hasdgfas]

Qman: you can call me Has, hasd, asdf, or cow, whichever is easiest for you.



So, if we were voting right now, my vote would be on

Akonas

. His reactions so far have been a bit iffy to me, and have rubbed me the wrong way.

[hasdgfas]

All right, now that I have gotten back to a more normal schedule from the beginning of the semester, I can actually make the post I've been trying to make.

Well, day one and we're down a power role. I hope there's only one anti-town group.

What do y'all think of the whole voting thing? One month seems like quite a lot of time. I suppose we should get to discussing, then. Anyone have any interesting night leads?

Immunity: Akonas

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Why mention anything about two anti-town groups? There's nothing to make anyone think that from one death. Do you know something we don't. (this is the "first one to mention something often has extra knowledge of it" scumtell, for those of you who don't know it)

Mmkay, listen here a minute. If we all just random vote for immunity, then the mafia will sneak in an extra vote or two here or there, and they can get the guy they want elected (more votes than anyone else!)
That being said, it probably doesn't matter until the end of the month, but it's worth keeping in mind. That being said,

Immunity: QuickBen

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Right about mafia can try to make the person immune that they want immune, but it's not like a normal mafia game where once they hit majority it's automatically given to them. We have until deadline hits to change who we want to give immunity to.

FOS: Akonas

self immunity looks scummie.

That's bull. Everyone would want themselves to be immune - if they are scum, they're safe and can mislead the town; if they're town, they can be sure that scum wasn't given immunity. 'Nuff said.

Also,

OMGUSFOSWTFBBQ:farside22

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Blah, blah not serious OMGUS obviously. But still, one person suspecting you isn't the end of the world. Why are you even reacting to it by suspecting them, even in a not-quite-so-serious way? We've been over the self-immunity thing already, a nulltell, but while I think it's a nulltell, I also think that scum would be more likely to want it because they have more of a priority of staying alive.

Right now, I'm seeing hasdgfas and farside22 as a possible scum pair. And you all may be seeing Holy and I that way (funny how people always take sides). But we seem to be arguing something that MAKES SENSE - that's the difference.

Why do you automatically assume that people are pairing up? There wasn't really much of a connection between you until you mentioned something.

Thoughts on others should be coming soon.

[hasdgfas]

Mod: please prod or replace mcpaltp

[hasdgfas]

oops, missed that

[hasdgfas]

And the case on me isn't silly because isn't based almost solely on the fact that I asked a question whether voting was open or closed?

[hasdgfas]

A bit of a late EBWOP, but it should read "isn't silly because

it's

based"

[hasdgfas]

There doesn't appear to me to be anything behind the case other than the fact that I'm voting for you for a "silly case" and that I asked a question about open or closed voting.

[hasdgfas]

Can someone explain to me or point me to the case on me other than my question about voting? Because that's even sillier than what some people say my case on Akonas is based on.

[hasdgfas]

* All votes are revealed after all players have voted. Any player who has received a majority of the votes will be lynched and the game will proceed to night.

I interpretted this to mean revealed like Survivor style. The votes are revealed, but not who voted them.

This is exactly why I asked the question, and yet people find it scummy when I want clarification.

[hasdgfas]

Before we get to election day, we need to make sure we're ok with who would currently be getting immunity. Currently, that would be farside. I'm perfectly fine with that, as I have been all day. Does anyone have any large objections to farside getting immunity?

[hasdgfas]

I would like to say... "Bah"

[hasdgfas]

I still don't understand why I was lynched, to be honest. Anyone want to explain that to me?

I would agree that not voting in thread kinda killed the game later. I don't have too much else to say since I was dead pretty much the whole time. Good job Skruffs, even though your inactivity made me squirm.