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Post #192 (isolation #3) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:46 am
Postby Kagami »
In post 175, Nachomamma8 wrote:RRRRRC, I'd rrrrratherrrrr wait to see you on the weekend than see you go; it's looking like I might fffffall into a similarrrrr boat soon and I haven't gotten the chance to play with you rrrrrecently so seeing you herrrrre and then seeing you gone would be hearrrrrtbreaking.
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Post #506 (isolation #20) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:43 am
Postby Kagami »
I think it's fair to say I have some sort-of nacho seeking missiles at the ready, but I'm still in a wait-and-see mode.
There has to be something going on under the hood there, since regardless of Nacho's alignment, there are a lot of little disputes that I feel like he should be jumping on to mediate. I don't think the finding someone to flutter with thing is especially valid and is pretty antithetical to the Nacho I know and love.
I'm not crazy about his conclusion on Dunn as I'm feeling the opposite sense. While the "Don't vote me, bro" attitude is a little weird, and if he's Hated, he should just say so, his exchange with me around page 16 has more the flavor of "Kagami, you're supposed to be reading me correctly," possibly due to lateral interactions that can't be discussed.
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Post #565 (isolation #26) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:15 am
Postby Kagami »
Meh, I wouldn't really mind seeing anyone lynched who is not mentioned in 337.
Maybe not Dunn, maybe camntsuki just because, but I still want to say hi, though maybe Nacho is better for that if there is some super secret reason he's being the way he is.
Personal favorite remains Zito, who has completely ignored my vote on him, where I expected some kind of pushback from somewhere.
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Post #572 (isolation #27) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:37 am
Postby Kagami »
From your perspective, zito, the only reason I've given for voting you is an aside in 214, and I don't think I've ever played with you such that you'd find that not to be at least worth consideration.
You've given pretty much no solid content, outside of the second half 505, which you completely failed to pursue.
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Post #595 (isolation #30) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:36 pm
Postby Kagami »
In post 587, Dunnstral wrote:That's pretty surprising because I don't think my play here is similar to that other game
Do you want to talk about it?
I don't think the former means much since you would know that game would end early on in this one, and my prior reason for you being town was completely incorrect.
In post 587, Dunnstral wrote:That's pretty surprising because I don't think my play here is similar to that other game
Do you want to talk about it?
I don't think the former means much since you would know that game would end early on in this one, and my prior reason for you being town was completely incorrect.
Ok, but do you have a reason to scumread me?
You seem to be saying I could change up my scum game, but where does the initial suspicion come from?
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Post #679 (isolation #37) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:17 pm
Postby Kagami »
He's trying to say that he thinks it's justified to dismiss a set of reasons for someone being scum due to the "meta undertones" underlying one of those reasons, and has taken the approach of hand-waving criticism of that, possibly because someone in his PT has told him that I lack presence and can be happily ignored.
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Post #709 (isolation #38) » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:31 pm
Postby Kagami »
In post 681, SpyreX wrote:No i said the nahdia hate was nonsensical and based on some meta bullshit
Which it is
I'm glad you think I'd need a team plotting to figure that out and to figure out you're a non entity
Even out here in the bush we can skin a carcass
229 was not meta. The suspicion on 20 was not meta. You could have called the reads wrong, but instead you posted 302, which you still could have backed out of if you had actual reasons for dismissing the read, but then 641 came where 302 is totally justified because one statement about nahdia involves meta.
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Post #823 (isolation #42) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:17 am
Postby Kagami »
Let's go over this again, and maybe Nacho will grace us with some explanation for how town-spyrex is making these posts, since this should be something he has something to say about:
Here is 302:
In post 302, SpyreX wrote:And i reaaaly dont get the nahdia hate at all. Maybe thats becausr it seems to have some serious meta bullshit undertones
Here are "nahdia hate" posts in chronological order:
Spoiler: Posts containing elements of nahdia hate up to 302
In post 20, Nahdia wrote:I think Dunnstral may be [town] for highlighting what he thought was a soft in thread. Rather than, you know, taking it back to the scumthread and parsing what it may actually allude to.
I mean, he coulda done both, but my inclination is to think someone wouldn't bring up the same topic in two places. Maybe. I dunno. Maybe not.
Do you think scum would have any way to work off that... soft? I mean, you must, since otherwise--
In post 20, Nahdia wrote:I think Dunnstral may be for highlighting what he thought was a soft in thread. Rather than, you know, taking it back to the scumthread and parsing what it may actually allude to.
I mean, he coulda done both, but my inclination is to think someone wouldn't bring up the same topic in two places. Maybe. I dunno. Maybe not.
Ok this is scum because ____________________________________________________________ .
You really don't see it?
Soft whiteknighting, assuming daychat, picking contrarian view so it look original and townie, super wishy wash.
In post 122, pirate mollie wrote:
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I am sure that at any second that nahdia is going to swoop in and wow us with her fantastic case on me.
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In post 109, Nahdia wrote:Ok well I disagree so far. I would be more inclined to take another look except I already know your top scumread is wrong so I don't really have much faith in your accuracy.
I strongly dislike this post. Very dismissive... like, unnecessarily so. This is just a fancy way of saying OMGUS if you think about it.
i'm not really on board with the infinity lynch. nothing they've done has come off as really towny or really scummy to me. they look like b8, or can someone explain the super advanced high level mafia theory behind voting them?
I don't really care for the Infinity wagon either, but this is another post I am not liking from you, Nahdia. I don't like the end of this post here and the whole, "Maybe someone with the book smarts could explain it to little ol' me."
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In post 234, Nahdia wrote:Rc I don't scumread SAD so no, it's not an OMGUS. I'm just telling him he's wrong. Which he is. As are you.
You think he's town, but you refuse to acknowledge his reads? Someone can think a person is town and wrong, but they generally aren't as dismissive as you're coming across.
"SAD is wrong about me therefore he's irrelevant" I didn't like the post. There's no willingness to communicate. It feels gross and separative.
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In post 241, Infinity 324 wrote:RC is almost definitely town because he likes sum a lot more than town and I doubt he would want to replace out rather than take a 3-day VLA as scum.
To be fair, I'd do a catchup post regardless of alignment. Had the game been more active, I probably would've replaced regardless.
As far as dialogue goes, I'm not thrilled with the naked SAD vote. I won't say that a vote switch doesn't make sense given 223, but SAD was a bit of an odd choice. It also puts you in the always-awkward 3rd spot on the wagon. Are camntsuki & Dunn speaking to you?
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In post 242, SpyreX wrote:Rc:
Faking a pr is faking a pr, leaving aside the assumption its faked in and of itself it means very little about alignment as long as its not a shield for using words which that isnt yet.
I disagree in that I think faking necessarily gives off scumminess, but I think the point is moot short of a way to prove the veracity of the claim.
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In post 248, pirate mollie wrote:it is a reasonable request mr. spyro it isn't like I am asking you to make a youtube video of you riding a hoverboard dressed in a tutu while wearing a scubadiving mask. its a simple request!
This is a heavy/clunky as well. Same sense I got from Nahdia earlier. A little try hardish.
In post 258, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:My biggest problem with Nahdia is from what I've seen her townplay she plays p... hmm what's the word? Confident? Blunt? Just more of "matter-of-fact" style. Like "X is doing this" "Y is town" "Z is scum". Here she seems to be waffly queen.
In post 256, Nahdia wrote:All I can say in response to this is that yeah,
that's pretty much on target with my standard level of sass I play mafia with
.
Nah here it def seems more... controlled and carefully planned out. Just overall extremely contrived.
In post 288, RedCoyote wrote:I get the sense that either Dunn/Nahdia are scum partners or that just one of them is scum. Something is not sitting right re: their interactions with one another. Both players appear very awkward when speaking about the other. Either because they are partners or because one of them is scum and is unsure how to best position themselves given the spotlight that has been trained on them. I'd encourage others to read over these last few posts and see if you get the same notions or if I'm just suffering from confirmation bias when I connect Dunn to Nahdia.
283 in particular just throws up all sorts of red flags.
So in 302, you've reduced "the hate" on Nahdia to some kind of meta argument, or at least ones with with meta undertones. That's a gross misrepresentation of it, but sometimes people forget/don't follow things, so maybe town-spyrex posted 302 as just a hand-wave because you weren't paying attention.
RC mentions this in 343, with a focus on his own arguments. You brush this off in 353, defending 302 as being about the other arguments. RC replies in 636 emphasizing his own arguments saying that he's the one voting so you should be considering his position when making 302, rather than dismissing it because of meta in someone else's argument.
In post 258, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:My biggest problem with Nahdia is from what I've seen her townplay she plays p... hmm what's the word? Confident? Blunt? Just more of "matter-of-fact" style. Like "X is doing this" "Y is town" "Z is scum". Here she seems to be waffly queen.
Gee how could i think meta was involved
Im just a poor emotional non speaker though
So now we're to understand that it was SAD's hate you were talking about, and that this single post completely justifies it because meta was "involved." I bring this up, I get:
In post 681, SpyreX wrote:No i said the nahdia hate was nonsensical and based on some meta bullshit
Which it is
I'm glad you think I'd need a team plotting to figure that out and to figure out you're a non entity
Even out here in the bush we can skin a carcass
Even if you want to change "I don't understand the nahdia hate" to "I find specifically SAD's hate for Nahdia nonsensical, because 258 suggests that there's a meta component, even though this surely arose after 40/88." Then how do you fail to recognize that just maybe people might not interpret 302 in that bizarre way to such an extent that you decide the best route is to insult me, since clearly I should have figured that out even though it makes absolutely no sense. You're even requiring that in this post I continue to accept that you still don't believe any nahdia hate outside of SAD existed.
229 was not meta. The suspicion on 20 was not meta. You could have called the reads wrong, but instead you posted 302, which you still could have backed out of if you had actual reasons for dismissing the read, but then 641 came where 302 is totally justified because one statement about nahdia involves meta.
Did i say some of it was meta? Yep
Did i say all of it was? Nope
Was rc talking about the meta part? Yep
Am i hearing whirrs and clicks? Yep
Is this all I'm gonna say about this? Outlook seems likely
You didn't explicitly say all of it was, but you sure wanted it to seem that way if you actually recognized a non-meta component. RC was not talking about the SAD's meta part at any point.
Here's a pro-tip: When you're scum and feel you want to throw out a "Gosh, I don't understand why <town players> are scumreading <town player>," back out of it gracefully when you're called on your rubbish
And if you think insulting me is a great way to make your wagon go away, you're very, very wrong.
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Post #825 (isolation #44) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:33 am
Postby Kagami »
something like this in excel:
<in cell A1> I'm nacho, I might be scum here and am ignoring kagami outside of some sideways shade-casting
<in cell A2> =SUBSTITUTE(SUBSTITUTE(SUBSTITUTE(SUBSTITUTE(A1, "F", "Ffff"), "R", "Rrrr"), "f", "ffff"), "r", "rrrr")
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Post #827 (isolation #46) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:51 am
Postby Kagami »
Better example, since I somehow created a sentence with no Fs or Rs.
<in cell A1> I'm nacho, I am ignoring kagami despite generally having some respect for her reads.
<in cell A2> =SUBSTITUTE(SUBSTITUTE(SUBSTITUTE(SUBSTITUTE(A1, "F", "Ff"), "R", "Rr"), "f", "ffff"), "r", "rrrr")
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Post #841 (isolation #52) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:13 am
Postby Kagami »
I haven't thought about infinity much beyond that he's been oddly popular. It looks like zito started a thing there and somehow the sentiment just didn't get dropped.
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Post #843 (isolation #53) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:23 am
Postby Kagami »
Nothing in infinity's iso is particularly impressive, but it looks like he's gotten more flack from some clumsy early voting than he probably deserved.
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Post #845 (isolation #54) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:29 am
Postby Kagami »
I think 302 was a throwaway townread@town which he didn't really think about and didn't have a good explanation for. Then he just didn't think dismissing the criticism would snowball.
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Post #1038 (isolation #56) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:09 am
Postby Kagami »
The only thing that suggests town nacho to me is that he seems keen on keeping the people who know him best in the game. He said he has a time problem, so I'm OK with giving him a day since there are decent alternatives anyway.
Agree with the above sentiments regarding Staeg. RC might just have time issues, which I can relate to.
Zito continues to be the correct lynch to my mind, and the gap between him and drealz is growing.