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I wonder if you have been paying attention to the thread, then, because I have "got" significantly more. Why would you say that you haven't gleaned any more from the thread than that tidbit?ZONEACE wrote:
no thats all i got for now.Thestatusquo wrote:
K, how bout some not already discussed insight?ZONEACE wrote:fos CKDfor his reaction to cam. That was rather unusual.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Really? So you dont think Mathcams system is worth discussing? Why not? Also, I wonder what you could have possibly noticed that you do not feel like sharing. Isn't it generally in the towns best interests to share all information that they have? I mean, in general the only thing I don't like to bring up are breadcrumbing and stuff like that, but thats not exactly RELEVANT in this game, is it?ZONEACE wrote:I wasn't clear. That's the only insight i felt like sharing so far. My bad.
(also, noted your post, so if you don't share later expect me to come down on you pretty hard for it.)tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Since there has been actual discussion, how about actual comments about the players in this game? THis discussion is bad insofar as it doesn't get us any closer to finding scum.YvonneSeer wrote:Well, let's see if I can contribute a little to this discussion.
I think Eden, Nathan and Peter are dangerous in the hands of scum, especially if two or more are partnered together, and can cause a lot chaos in town without town realising it.
HRG and the Haitian will be very helpful if pro-town but the Haitian's immunity to Powers has a lot more advantage as anti-town. If the Haitian is pro-town, the immunity is useful only to prevent anti-town Ted from suiciding on him and anti-town Eden from redirecting him. So I do agree that HRG is more pro-town than the Haitian if you go by a certain logic.
Ted is... well, not very helpful as scum and even worse as an SK. Anti-town Linderman is useless too, other than the town not having a doc.
Ando? Ando is Ando and nothing more can be said about him.
I don't have anything on Mohinder and DL though and I would be interested in some discussion about their respective abilities and usefulness as pro-town and danger as anti-town.
And finally, we have the Investigation Roles. Matt and Claude are just the usual Tracker and Watcher stuff. I personally think they are more helpful as pro-town than anti-town but it might be WIFOM since I'm Claude.
Now, I haven't actually looked into all the roles into the finest detail but that's what I've gathered from first and second impressions.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Bah I got off to a really bad start in this game. First off, I didn't read Cam's initial post closely enough. I should have noticed he was just putting the idea of Eden being most antitown out there. Also, like CKD and TSQ I had the feeling that he was pushing for a policy lynch, and not simple pressure. For this reason I think I should
WOAH WOAH WOAH. Show me the post where I ever came ever close to saying that mathcam was pushing for a policy lynch? Like, don't try to drag me down with your crappy logic, dude.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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No, your crappy logic is not at all a product of others, it's a product of you alone. If you have a question about what I feel about something, ask, instead of making an assumption about it.shaft.ed wrote:TSQ wrote:WOAH WOAH WOAH. Show me the post where I ever came ever close to saying that mathcam was pushing for a policy lynch? Like, don't try to drag me down with your crappy logic, dude.
Sorry I inferred that's what your FoS's were about since they were comepletely unaccompanied by any explanation. If you'd explain a bit more then I wouldn't end up using such crappy logic.Thestatusquo wrote:unfos Jdodge, mathcam
Wow...I was completely wrong there.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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psssst... Reading the thread is tech.
Thestatusquo wrote:It was pretty obvious to me that CKD was being sarcastic. In my mind, it looked like you and jdodge were deliberately misinterpreting his post to make him look bad. I was obviously quite wrong, as he WAS serious.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Horrendous use of wifom by the way. Wifom refers to a set of two or more possibilities with approximately equal chance of happening. For instance, it would be wifom to say "the mafia wouldn't leave the claimed cop alive because then he could hurt them" but if they know that you think this, then it's to their benefit to leave her alive, because you'll waste a lynch, but if they know you know they think you think this... And it goes on and on and on. Thats wifom.
Saying that you think a role is most likely used as pro town is not wifom for several reasons. One, theres no subset of equally likely choices. You would say it whether town or scum, and theres really no reason at all you'd say it as anything else. Two, it's not circular. There is no recursive logic there, there is only "A possible reason they might be saying it is because they have that role"
Shrug. I shouldn't go on tirades like that. I'm not an IC, and this isn';t a noobie game.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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By that I assume you mean how he said "I'm a confirmed townie." instead of something along the lines of "I'm the only player I know to be town." If thats the case, I think that's complete bunk.JDodge wrote:
I already didThestatusquo wrote:Dodge, please explain what you didn't like about those posts?
I dislike the way this is saidOuman wrote: I'm a confirmed townie, the only one I know. Why wouldn't I want to do that?
*gently nudges zoneace*
I asked you some questions, bub. It's not fair of you to all up and leave the thread on me.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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What the hell dude? I don't care if you're the president of Brazil, if you blatantly ignore me, I am going to vote you. I asked you very relevant questions 3 days ago, and bumped them, so that you couldn't possibly miss them if you were reading the thread. I even added "gentle nudge" to the text of said questions. Then you posted a trite pointless, contentless reply (which I find a tad scummy too) instead of responding to me. I am NOT being unreasonable here.ZONEACE wrote:Could you be a little more desperate? I mean really. We all know you're a jack ass that likes to harass me, lets try not to make this person ok?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I think thats a load of crap, adele. Regardless of how I delivered questions to him (and I disagree with you that it was in an unacceptable fashion.) the fact remains that I not only asked him questions, but then brought them up later on in a way which was not confrontational at all. Regardless of how I phrased the questions, it was a DIRECT request for input, which Zoneace ignored.Adele wrote:actually, I think TSQ's being a bit over-aggressive here. His questions to zoneace comes down to a barked order to post more and post better, yet his most recent post implies to the casual observer (ie me, before I ran TSQ's post record) that Zoneace was asked specific questions about his behaviour and asked to make account for them.
This seems more like a rant than a list of questions that TSQ burningly wants to hear the answer to.TheStatusQuo wrote:Really? So you dont think Mathcams system is worth discussing? Why not? Also, I wonder what you could have possibly noticed that you do not feel like sharing. Isn't it generally in the towns best interests to share all information that they have? I mean, in general the only thing I don't like to bring up are breadcrumbing and stuff like that, but thats not exactly RELEVANT in this game, is it?
If you want Zoneace to contribute more - and that might be justified - then make it clear that it'sthatthat you're asking for. But his posts, while short and not hugely contributory, have been reasonably regular, and seem adequate for this stage of the game. I think you seem overly hyper, tsq, and overly pissed-off at others who are merely moderate.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I asked him several questions...If it would please you for me to list them out, I will:
1) Does he not consider mathcams voting system worth talking about?
2) If so, why not?
3) In a theoretical sense, give me an example of something that you would not disclose d1 when you already know everyones roles.
4) I generally wanted a reply to my suggestion that "perhaps he was just saying he saw stuff that he didn't." in order to make it look like he was being more active and helpful in this game than he really was. It's a tactic I've seen scum use many times. Say things like "Oh...I've already got 3 concrete scumtells." Well, if you do indeed, what reason is there you would not like to share them with the rest of the town. If zoneace really has noticed something, it would probably be beneficial to get it out there and help the town achieve a non random d1 lynch, or, as I see as HIGHLY more likely, zoneace is talking bollocks, in which case, I plan to make him todays non random lynch.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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The thing is...Directing is only bad in a closed setup where the town is not able to plan what will happen because there are too many unknowns. In this case, we know the whole scenario, so we can plan for all contingencies. Town directing different roles is a good thing, individuals directing them is not. I think what we have here is a clear case of the town (Including yourself) trying to direct oman as to make him the most possible use to the town.
I think you're completely overreacting here.FOS: Shaft'edtout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I don't like this post for a couple of reasons.curiouskarmadog wrote:Has the town unanimously agreed to this course of action? Is there any “direction” or plan for the town that the mafia can know about that wont hurt the town if they have said knowledge? I don’t think I am overreacting, but maybe the vote is premature.
Unvote, FoS DAS
I don’t like being directed to do anything and I don’t like providing information to the scum before I make a decision. Now, I will be the first in line to tell you what I did “last night” but don’t expect me to tell scum what I will do before I do it.
Currently I don’t have a problem with discussing roles and what is or isn’t a good idea, but I don’t think I want to sign up for being directed. Exception to this, is if the town collectively agrees that a certain action or inaction is best all around, but I haven’t seen this yet.
What do you have in mind?Thestatusquo wrote:
Town directing different roles is a good thing,
1) I don't like how he half backed away from his guns and half didn't. He says he doesn't think he's overreacting, but removes the vote, as if trying to placate me.
2) Attacks me by saying "the town has not come to a unanimous decision when it was pretty plain that this is not at all what I was claiming. Remember, he attacked DAS for suggesting a course of action within a town discussion of what certain players should do. Then he sarcastically says thats "the town hasn't reached a consensus." well, how can the town reach a consensus if you're attacking everyone who chimes in on the issue? Hmm? This whole attack feels ungenuine. Especially with the begining of his third paragraph, where he tells us he "doesn't have a problem with discussing whats a good idea and what isn't for certain roles"Im just going to try and help were I can. If you think im not giving enough please let me know and I will get myself replaced.
Claude ( Yseer ) If I had your role I would be looking at one of these 3 people
Here I my reasons why.
Mathcam: His role is dangerous in mafia hands the longer we go on the more dangerous it becomes. Even if he is town then I would like to know who was visiting him. If he is not their when you get their, we could have our SK
Adele: I would want to know exactly which powers she is getting and why. I think it would be helpful for judging her and her targeters alignments.
Omen: Similar reasons as Mathcams
Whoops...Looks like that was all DAS was doing in the first place. So you've just admitted that you attacked him for something that you "have no problem with."Which 3 people do you think I should be looking at and why?
As to your question at the end, shaft.ed pretty much said everything I would, although I'd like to note I do not appreciate him speaking for me, and I have noted it as possible buddying up.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Yeah...I've been thinking about this for a while, and the person I most want to see swing is zoneace. Literally the only things he has done this game are:
1) Posted saying he had noticed one thing.
2) When pressured said he had noticed more, but was witholding it.
3) Ignored questioning about that.
4) Posted something to the effect of "I'm totally not scum, I promise."
5) Said I was attacking him for OOG reasons, while STILL ignoring my questions.
6) Lurked like a mother fucker.
Unvote, Vote: Zoneace
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You know, just because I don't like you doesn't mean I am bringing that into the game. I joke voted you to start the game, that was it. I have been playing the game genuinely, and fairly. In fact, I even spent a significant portion of today voting someone besides you. Just because you want to dispel my attacks on you as some sort of "policy lynch" where I am ignoring everything else just to attack you does not mean you get to ignore the facts. Since you're ignoring my legitimate in game actions because of some preconceived notion of why I am doing them, YOU are the one bringing outside thoughts into this game, not me. In fact, so far I would hazard to say that you are not even PLAYING this game, seeing as your posting history can legitimately be boiled down to what I say in my previous post. I mean, do you have any problem with that summary? Is there something I'm missing? For the love of god could you play this game?
Secondly, I even granted you the possibility that you did not want to share stuff specific to this game. If that's such a big deal, could you at least respond to my post 174? Come on...Are you really going to try to just brush me off because we don't get along OOG? I repeat, I am not being unreasonable here.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Mathcam, I'm sorry if you think that. If you really think that "cold and calculating" describes me as a player, than you haven't meta'd me particularly well. I will say it right now, I don't have the linguistic skills to "be careful about my words" to make myself seem like the victim when I am in fact the antagonizer.
My general strategy with players I don't like is not to antagonize them, it's to request replacement, which is something I'm very close to doing right now. I've been playing this game completely in earnest and have not been bringing OOG feelings into it. I don't understand how the fact that I don't like zoneace personally means I necessarily can't find him legitimately scummy. If it gets to that point, then I really don't think I can play this game anymore. Giving someone a carteblanche merely because the person thats attacking them has negative history with them...Well that just defeats the entire purpose of playing this game.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Well, the point wasn't that I didn't know he's react this way; I did. The point was that I saw him do/say things which I believed legitimately deserved attention, so I pointed them out. Then, he completely ignored me, which I felt deserved even more attention. I guess what I'm asking you is, to what extend am I supposed to ignore his scummy behavior just because I know that he's going to get angry for no reason?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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In my opinion...No lynching is just silly. The biggest harm bandwagoning d1 can do to the town is out poweroles...Well, guess what, we don't have to worry about that. Just because you can't get a claim out of someone doesn't mean that a good ol' fashioned bandwagon isn't healthy, and good for reads. In addition, we need to lynch eventually. We're never going to find scums by just evaluating night actions, you find scums by reading wagons and lynches and who stayed off and who pressured without voting etc etc etc etc. Giving up the towns biggest means towards gathering concrete data is, IMHO, Stupid.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Well, for one thing I am already suspicious of how you've seemed to parrot me this game, even going so far as to answer a question that was directed at me. It seems like a convienient way to buddy up to me while seeming like it was your own logic.
Mathcam, want to explain why those two players are up there for you?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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if oman does come up scum at any point, that would probably clear adele in my mind, because I can't see oman warning the town about giving his scumbuddy extra powers, especially as stretching as he was.mathcam wrote:
Meh, not really, insofar as I don't have much insight to hand out. I don't have particularly pro-town vibes for them, whereas I do for some other people. Notably, Oman's "we'll TRUST her" post seems like fake overconcern for the town, and -- hm, I don't know why I had JDodge there, except that I previously said I found him mildly scummy. In any case, completely independently, they are also the two roles ranked most anti-town by shaft.ed's post 271.Thestatusquo wrote:Mathcam, want to explain why those two players are up there for you?
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*deep breath*
Okay, that wasn't my point. I didn't want people to comment on the me-Zone interaction because of the oog implications. i wanted people to comment because I thought it was incredibly game relevant. I would continue playing this game only if Zoneace will stop trying to pass off every action I make as somehow having to do with him. Otherwise, I am out of here. Zoneace, you willing to do that?
Now, the reasoning for the vote is simple. Shaft.ed's attacks on Oman seem one tracked. It seems like he's ignoring most of the game and just focusing myopically on Oman. This to me looks like a player attempting to play in a hyper attacking style to mask the fact that he's really not paying too much attention to the game. A fact which has been born out in several situations where he has really shown that he hasn't been reading the thread very carefully. (asking questions which had already been asked a couple posts up comes to mind.) Additionally, he seems to be testing the waters here, in his last post. To me, the last post almost screams
I'll admit that a lot of this is influenced by the fact that I don't think the case against oman is very strong. But I think the case against shaft.ed is there regardless of it you think Oman is scum or not. (could be aggressive bussing)My brain wrote:Am I going to be able to misslynch this guy, or should I move on to someone else.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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