VOTE: Aj the epic
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I think Medea is town. I find scum unlikely to talk about this or lie about this conversation:
I don't like the look of Indigo - justifies their actions a bit too thoroughly, but I don't think I'm interested in it right now. They do the weird thing too consistently and it might be meta for them.I posted a couple times, we talked more about the setup while getting ready to go out and agreed with my initial reaction that no-lynching and massclaiming weren't good ideas, considered if there were any obvious things to suggest in-thread be done with the set-up, decided no (that changed for me tonight with floating hypo claiming). Went out and didn't think about it again until tonight.
Why are people townreading AJ? I saw an appeal to meta somewhere, but I still don't like his posts very much at all.-
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AJ's iso looks like this.In post 289, Lil Uzi Vert wrote: What don't you like about AJ's posts?
"setup spec setup spec setup spec"
"i hate setup spec! i never do setup spec"
"fate doesn't post"
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Eh, I reread his ISO and I kinda agree. Latest few posts make me think my read on him was bad.In post 320, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Not really getting that vibe at all.In post 292, shadonra wrote:
AJ's iso looks like this.In post 289, Lil Uzi Vert wrote: What don't you like about AJ's posts?
"setup spec setup spec setup spec"
"i hate setup spec! i never do setup spec"
"fate doesn't post"
It looks like he wanted to post but wasn't interested in saying anything.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert
I lean scum on posts like this (why does he get to do that and I don't? kinda thing)In post 215, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Why does my naked vote create a worse atmosphere and BB's doesn't? He just naked vote in 208.In post 214, Empking wrote:I would have joined the fun and silently voted LUV, if not for my already being on him. I don't like the post because he is being entirely silent on why he voted and one can not reasonably guess why. Presumably the vote, but why the vote. It just creates a worse atmosphere. However, as I said, I'm already on him.-
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No, only that I don't really think setup spec is high on the list of things for scum to talk about.In post 332, Reflektor wrote:
Is there a reason that conversation couldn't have existed if they were scum?In post 259, shadonra wrote:I find scum unlikely to talk about this or lie about this conversation:-
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I was referring to the out-of-thread conversation, not in-thread setup spec. I'm giving you scum points for this post.In post 341, Randomnamechange wrote:
setup talk benefits scum. it's unlikely to get any thing done this early and prevents them having to scumhunt.In post 339, shadonra wrote:
No, only that I don't really think setup spec is high on the list of things for scum to talk about.In post 332, Reflektor wrote:
Is there a reason that conversation couldn't have existed if they were scum?In post 259, shadonra wrote:I find scum unlikely to talk about this or lie about this conversation:-
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I say this more often as scum than town, but I'm not sure what kind of tell it is for other peopleIn post 409, BBmolla wrote:Nothing is jumping out to me atm or I'd be talking about it
Rest of his posts seem town though.
I'm starting to lean scum on Realeo. 384 strikes me more as white knighting than a real defense, mostly because of the mention of day 2 lylo, and 387 appears shallow to me. I think I would lean scum on Reflektor, but it's hard to muster the will to dig through his posts.-
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I don't think that the shallowness of this observation makes it a weaker town case. It is clearly shallow. If you believe that Medea, just returned from hiatus, would fake this conversation as scum, fine. But I find this unlikely.In post 532, Reflektor wrote:
I think this is a shallow observation.In post 259, shadonra wrote:I think Medea is town. I find scum unlikely to talk about this or lie about this conversation:
re: randommidget post:
He made the argument that scum likes to setup spec inthread essentially to fake activity. This was not the basis for my townread, and his argument doesn't strike me as having thought things through - he's just trying to score a point.
re: realeo:
That's a good point - I had actually forgotten that he replaced for Tammy. I should go back and reread her posts.-
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ok, we disagreeIn post 540, Reflektor wrote:
I think the problem is more with the premise that scum don't talk about or don't need to talk about setup speculation; if Cabd is playing, setup speculation is a part of his approach to the game regardless of alignment so townreading him for that is meh. In general, I don't think that talking about setup spec is a town tell like you think it is; that's why I find the observation shallow/weak.In post 537, shadonra wrote:I don't think that the shallowness of this observation makes it a weaker town case. It is clearly shallow. If you believe that Medea, just returned from hiatus, would fake this conversation as scum, fine. But I find this unlikely.
it looked to me like he was just trying to score a gotcha, but i've reconsidered. i think this wagon is leaving too readily.In post 541, Reflektor wrote:
He didn't understand your point, sure - why assign him scumpoints for it?In post 537, shadonra wrote:re: randommidget post:
He made the argument that scum likes to setup spec inthread essentially to fake activity. This was not the basis for my townread, and his argument doesn't strike me as having thought things through - he's just trying to score a point.
i'm not down with medea wagon. slot doesn't look like scum to me. i'd rather have bbmolla or grey: bbmolla bc i actually hated the sideline comment on the randommidget wagon and grey for tossing mad shade everywhere (also indigo wasn't good, but not much posts so ..). uhh, i might also be able to go for realeo. widely townread tammy makes me reconsider, tho i'm having a pretty hard time getting a read on her myself.
VOTE: grey-
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Yah.In post 570, Reflektor wrote:
The sideline comment you're referring to is talking about disliking Fate's push on it or...?In post 568, shadonra wrote:bbmolla bc i actually hated the sideline comment on the randommidget wagon
LUV has not really posted his actual opinions on anything. He's just been asking people questions. I don't like that, but he claims it's NAI for him and I haven't looked at any of his other games yet, so *shrug*. I'd like to see him post more stuff tho-
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its bc scum think hes obvtown and are townreading him for towncred roflIn post 575, Aj The Epic wrote:
Sorry, I'll reprogram myself to be hysterical at the thought of going into Lylo day 2.In post 565, Realeo wrote:In post 24, Aj The Epic wrote:*insert snarky response about you just being bad*
There's really no point in worrying about D2 already. If Vig shoots tonight and misses, then we'll have to mass claim tomorrow. That's about all there is to it.Empking! BbMolla! Why don't you scumread this? Isn't this robotic~not scared of apocalyptic commet attack attitude
OMG A SCENARIO THAT MIGHT HAPPEN BUT MIGHT NOT WHY THE FUCK DO I EXIST SOMEONE SAVE MY SOUL FROM THIS GAME AHHH LYLO
Is that enough for you? Dude it's not hard. We lynch scum, scenario doesn't happen. There's no point getting concerned about something we can prevent by just being good.
...no the GS shouldn't give a gun.Realeo wrote:In post 555, Realeo wrote:
We are a little bit desperate at this point.In post 551, Reflektor wrote:(Trying to determine where scum is going to vote isn't useful until we actually know something).
Vig and GS really should consider shooting and gunning
Vig should shoot for more info.
GS should gun for a clear in potentialy D2 lylo.
As far as I'm concerned, you're the one with the most ability to read/understand him. I see your comparison and understand where you're coming from but I also kinda really want RM to show what he really is.Reflektor wrote:I'm disappointed that there aren't more LUV opinions in thread right now, especially from Fate; I understand you might not want to follow, but I'd hope a bro vote would at least be worth an honorableention.
On this note, why is Persivul getting so universally townread? Noticing it in Realo's reads, it's come up in Grey's too? And at least one other person.-
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@RealeoIn post 532, Reflektor wrote:
I think this is a shallow observation.In post 259, shadonra wrote:I think Medea is town. I find scum unlikely to talk about this or lie about this conversation:
I'm actually down with a lot of your opinion posts, I can understand where you're coming from. It's just all of your noncontent (setup spec etc.) posts scum-ping me nonstop, like "vig should shoot" etc. and I can't find a townread for Tammy.
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Not sure what you're talking about. re: grey - you're assuming that Medea is scum. It's easy for scum to hop between town wagons day 1.In post 590, Realeo wrote:Than why you said I'm shallow? What is a shallow setup-spec?
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ebwopIn post 592, shadonra wrote:
Not sure what you're talking about.In post 590, Realeo wrote:Than why you said I'm shallow? What is a shallow setup-spec?
....or is it someone else?
re: grey - you're assuming that Medea is scum. It's easy for scum to hop between town wagons day 1.-
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Let's get a grey wagon.
#350: Claims Persivul is shade throwing. Actually it's Grey that's throwing shade; I think Persivul is unlikely to throw shade by making a weird leap of logic like Grey is assuming.
#365: I think this post is bizarre. Two ways I could take this; you're either scumreading AJ or you think the quoted post is supertown. Butyou don't vote AJand I don't think the quoted post is supertown.
Oh, you are scumreading AJ. OK, but why no vote?
Eh. If Grey is town:
1) He's confbiased pretty hard on Persivul
2) He didn't vote a bunch of scumreads (persivul, aj)
3) He's voted Medea, which I don't think has a good case on it, and Grey hasn't provided much of a case either.
Grey - why do you think Medea is scum over AJ and Persivul, particularly AJ, over whose vote you're willing to townclear bbmolla?-
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I think sharing readlists tends to help scum.. I would rather not, but I will if you want.
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OK, but you scumread AJ, and you have since before you were voting Medea. Why do you prefer to lynch Medea over AJ?In post 606, -Grey- wrote:
I'm not feeling a scumread on Persivul, and I don't see why it's so hard to understand that it's possible to scumread more than one person at the same time.In post 604, shadonra wrote:Grey - why do you think Medea is scum over AJ and Persivul, particularly AJ, over whose vote you're willing to townclear bbmolla?-
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IMO this is the best case on anyone today. Otherwise I wouldn't be voting grey.In post 604, shadonra wrote:Let's get a grey wagon.
#350: Claims Persivul is shade throwing. Actually it's Grey that's throwing shade; I think Persivul is unlikely to throw shade by making a weird leap of logic like Grey is assuming.
#365: I think this post is bizarre. Two ways I could take this; you're either scumreading AJ or you think the quoted post is supertown. Butyou don't vote AJand I don't think the quoted post is supertown.
Oh, you are scumreading AJ. OK, but why no vote?
Eh. If Grey is town:
1) He's confbiased pretty hard on Persivul
2) He didn't vote a bunch of scumreads (persivul, aj)
3) He's voted Medea, which I don't think has a good case on it, and Grey hasn't provided much of a case either.
Grey - why do you think Medea is scum over AJ and Persivul, particularly AJ, over whose vote you're willing to townclear bbmolla?-
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i'll gladly 1v1 you tomorrowIn post 714, -Grey- wrote:
Nah bro, I'm thinking you're my d2 push.In post 711, shadonra wrote:if aj flips scum i will apologize and i won't turbolynch you tomorrow
if he doesn't,
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ooh, shoulda bussed grey. you're scum too, huhIn post 724, Reflektor wrote:At this point I'm going to assume it flips town, I wasn't really the biggest fan of either vote. Nacho thought Aj over BB and that's more than I had.
Empking/Persivul/Fate are all ondeck for me, even though I doubt those are all 3.
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We can trade a ML for an extra night of 2 townclears or guilties. Come on.
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So don't trust every cop clear. Gunsmith is still reliable.In post 751, Realeo wrote:
Ye. With a Godfather in play. How smart.In post 749, shadonra wrote:We can trade a ML for an extra night of 2 townclears or guilties. Come on.
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i've also started drinking, just heads upIn post 754, Reflektor wrote:Fair warning I'm going to be drinking pretty heavily starting 20 minutes ago but I'll be checking my phone if anything comes up.
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Do you think AJ is towncleared now?In post 753, Realeo wrote:
VCA relies on flip. With no flip, I cannot decide if it's wisdom of the crowd or scum sheeping.In post 750, shadonra wrote:Also, you can do VCA at L-1.-
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Bad associations with Grey is one thing. Let me try to remember the rest of the read, it's a few days old and I've forgotten some of the reasoning.In post 752, Reflektor wrote:I thought that was already hammered. I want to unvote but I see no alternative I can get other than Molla.
Scumreading Grey makes more sense to now but still doubt it.
shadonra:Why do you think our slot is scum?
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I am not that concerned about this possibility. I wouldn't mind if this game eventually boiled down to dealing with a cop counterclaim.
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Why are you assuming AJ is scumIn post 765, Realeo wrote:
Unless you are suggesting Empking bus Aj, I don't think so.Empking could easily be scum-
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I read your meta and had largely similar thought processes with AJ. His opinion of your slot doesn't make me worried.In post 764, -Grey- wrote:I'm showing how AJ's current opinion of my slot is total trash.
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