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Whoo, this will be my fist game of mafia in... looks like 6 years?
I was surprised to see how many names I recognized in the game list, though I think SpyreX might be the only player I have personal experience with. (ignoring alts, of course)
Camn, did we ever play? Or were you one of those people I would see around yet somehow never end up in the same game?
(<3 Spy. Good to see you again)
Let me tell you about what it's like to be a copyeditor,In post 49, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I am genuinely amazed by how much this is physically affecting me.
My inability to just write what I like and being forced to constantly check and change things to ensure perfect grammar.
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I would love to know what this is about, seeing as how I hadn't posted yet.
I would see it as premature scum trying to say something about their partner earlier than they actually need to, but it's about me???-
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Is JaeReed typically low-hanging fruit? Because he looks like standard issue low-hanging fruit to me. I guess he did specifically callhimselfout as being such, huh? Blah.
Also, periods are stiff. Noted.
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@MOD:What should our expectations be re:vote counts?
MOD: Umm, similar to the one I just posted. Nothing too fancy. I hate BBCode enough, so I won't be doing fancy ones like Ircher does.Last edited by DiamondSentinel on Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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Oh boy, if pre-game joking reads as town to you, then we are not going to get along at ALL.
Hmmm, your platform speaks to my heart. But are these mere empty promises that will be forgotten after the election?camn wrote:Socrates
I don't totally disagree- they might just be bait... But I certainly am not overwhelmed by Jae's townieness.
Plus I'm trying to #MakeMs.netGreatAgain....starting by powerlynching all VIs.-
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It's like I never left!
Also, to answer your question, this is the avatar that was on this account when I logged on, but it was a late change, as I recall? The previous one was a black and white dramatic interpretation of my namesake.-
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It would be difficult for her to do so, seeing as how two people (one being myself) had already pointed it out.In post 118, kraska77 wrote:Hey guys camn needs more votes
The way she approached jae shows she's not interested in pressing them for content
Instead of poking jae about the weird comments on Socrates, all she does is call jae scum
I like that you asked me a direct question!JaeReed wrote:
Given your list of words you don't like being used in your sig... I kinda already figured!In post 115, Socrates wrote:Oh boy, if pre-game joking reads as town to you, then we are not going to get along at ALL.
What are your thoughts on the gamestate so far?
I don't like that I like it so much. You said you did a quick meta dive on me, correct? Am I that easy to read?-
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See, you referenced my list of Words I Don't Like in a negative way, but not only have you not used any of those words, you also seem to have access to my secret list of Words That I Love To Hear.In post 131, JaeReed wrote: Why don't you like that you like it?
I did, but I was just skimming for whether your general posts would come off as stiff early game to me. Conclusion was that you confirming that way was NAI and I should probably focus on your content. For example, reading a highly emotional player confirming so stiffly would indicate to me that the person is most likely concerned in some way over their alignment/role. My guess is you're probably more on the logical side than emotional when playing. I could be wrong, but.
I don't find you easy to read. If I found you easy to read then I wouldn't have asked for your thoughts on the gamestate as an attempt to engage you.
Gamestate
Engage
Thoughts
And so on. I love it when someone engages me directly, and you are saying exactly the things that would appeal to my personal ego, and you started doing it rather abruptly.
You did all this, yet you failed to comment on howIfailed to actually answer your question.
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I obviously can't be sure about you specifically, but his words reek of coaching. Coaching about me specifically? Who most fits that criteria?In post 151, SpyreX wrote:Hold the phone mr.crates
While I'm down with some ropes are you saying i fed her that?
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It wouldn't have to be much. Just a sentence like "Socrates is easy to please, just talk the right way." and then Jae oversells it way too hard.In post 162, SpyreX wrote:I don't think there's an expression for the bewilderment on my face.
It's been eons since I've coached anyone aside from don't lurk and don't post like pants on head cause the most important thing is being genuine
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Wha? Charlie Brown always tries to kick his football.
I wasn't really all that serious about this whole daytalk conspiracy thing, but then you go and say something silly like this. NowIam the befuddled one.
No, no, you have it backwards. My premise relied on you being coached scum. IF that is the case, THEN who is the coach? It doesn't have to be SpyreX, he's just the most obvious answer.In post 166, JaeReed wrote:@Socrates Your entire premise here is flawed in that it's built off SpyreX being scum, and if you feel he's scum that strongly then you should be voting for him, not me.
Imagine I get revealed as Innocent Child right now. What would that tell you about SpyreX? Nothing.
Now imagine SpyreX gets revealed as Innocent Child. Suddenly I can't be his partner. In that situation would you stay on me or move your vote? If you'd stay on me then there has to be more to your vote than believing that I was being coached on what to say in scum chat.
Your words to me rang as inauthentic (one might even call them stiff), so I considered the possibility that they weren't actually yours and proceeded accordingly.
Camn voting me specificallywithoutengaging me would ring as a town-tell if I hadn't just spent the last dozen posts explicating my feelings on the subject. In that context, bah humbug.
MOI is really hung up on Lady's post restriction. He sounds like he has had a bad experience with post restrictions in the past, so maybe that's justified, but a scum would take great pains to ensure that door stays open for the future.
The youngin's seem to have mostly not cottoned to the fact that wagons are no big deal, which fits with them being youngin's.
Honestly, I'm having a hard time keeping track of people. I forgot Dunn was even in this game! I keep confusing Lady and Kraska in my head for some reason, and we have two people who haven't even shown up, I think? Maybe I'm too old for this.
IAI's catch-up post doesn't sit well with me, but god dammit, ALL catch-up post read as scummy to me.-
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If I told you that the subjunctive mood is fucking bullshit and using the plural past tense to refer to oneself is a nonsensical idea, would that make you feel better or worse?In post 231, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Don't remind me, I wish I could have a warm bubble of rage.In post 230, SpyreX wrote:Fate is never terrible it is a warm bubble of rage
Instead I'm forced to play with perfect grammar and spelling.
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What a weirdly primitive characterization of my behavior. Yes, the first 96 posts were largely unremarkable outside of, you know, the thing I pointed out about Jae and the flavor claim, which I am not going to comment on.In post 239, camn wrote:OK.
First-Socrates
He is very clever at saying nothing. That is my problem with him.
The first ping of my scumdar was this:
This was in his 4th post... the prior three of which were literally nothing about the game.In post 97, Socrates wrote:@MOD: What should our expectations be re:vote counts?
I wonder what he was thinking there... like.. were his thoughts of the previous 96 posts so unimpressive that he started wondering about... votecounts? To me this reads as "tryna look useful". Even DS thinks its weird.
Then, One might ask- when WILL he have actual thoughts about the game? Lets look.
Ah. Post 161.. about the coachin.
Seriously? 161 posts until you could find anything to talk about other than theory?
Its clever. The less you say, the less people can jump on.
The question to the mod was becauseIwanted a votecount, but I phrased it as a polite question because I'm a nice guy.
Nothing to say about my actual back and forth with Jae? You just skip past all that and pretend that 161 is my first utterance on the topic?-
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My face!
I am wounded.
You still haven't given any sort evaluation about said thought, though I have managed to get you to acknowledge it.
Frankly my current interest was in waiting to see whether MOI was going to actually follow through on his interrogation of LUV, or if those 'strikes' meant nothing, but you have distracted me, madame.-
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As opposed to your meat and potatoes argument that I asked for a votecount just to look pretty.In post 247, camn wrote:Its nothing, Soc! Its cotton candy.
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Upon review, it occurs to me that I didn't fully explain all of the little side details that made me suspect Jae was trying to buddy me in the first place.
I'll do that in a bit. Food now.
I wasn't sure how many votes Jae had accrued. I was surprised to see that he had only two votes and that you had three, which I think vindicates my taking the time to ask.camn wrote:You did.
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So, Jae deciding to state a neutral read on me before I had even begun to post is weird as hell, as I (and other people) have already pointed out. Confused about why he would do that, I (and others) press him about singling me out, of all people.
His answer? That my confirmation post felt "stiff" and that he had done a "meta dive" on me (and SpyreX!? post 105) to research my playstyle.
Stiff?
STIFF?
Compare my confirmation post to Lady's six posts earlier, remembering that this would be BEFORE Lady could say anything about her (ostensible) post restriction:In post 2, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:This is a confirmation post.I'm the oddly stiff one? Rubbish.
And of course it was all a dead end with nothing to show for it than a 'meh'.
Why do the legwork on such an obvious dead-end, and NOT do the leg-work on his gut-town read of MOI (as MOI has, again, already pointed out himself)?
It doesn't make any sense.
I expressed my dissatisfaction with his logic not only on me, but also on MOI and he turns around and says something about my sig and starts trying to "engage" me directly. I consciously and deliberately turned it around on him to see if he was actually interested in feeling me out or if he was just trying to stroke my ego, and he proceeds to give me a bunch of veiled compliments while failing to follow through on his push.
And thus, he earned a vote from me.
It's not the most complicated of cases, but it's good enough for a starting place, and now I've suddenly got Camn jumping down my throat over nothing.
I've speculated that Jae was coached to do this by another member of the mafia. It might not have even been coaching about me specifically, just a suggestion to buddy up with one of the more experienced players and use their egos against them, or something. The three oldest accounts in this game are (I think?) me, Spy, and Camn, and Spy being the coach would explain why Jae would choose to 'meta' me and Spy but nobody else. Now that I look at it, though, Camn being the coach would also fit astoundingly well.
But that's not the important part, it was just an idle thought about how this would fit into the larger game. It means nothing until we've lynched this Jae fellow and proven him scum.
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I'm starting to get to the point where I just want to murder some lurkers.
Dunn has contributed fuckall.
Pisskop has failed to appear.
Nacho needs to stop reading the webcomic and start playing.
SpyreX, is your current vote serious?
Is it a part of Lady's post restriction that she has to complain about having said restriction in every post she makes?-
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How much longer should we give Nacho before we kill him?In post 253, SpyreX wrote:Half and half. I'm not passionate but i dont have something revving my desires yet-
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Oh?In post 257, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
You don't get to ask this question.In post 256, Socrates wrote:
How much longer should we give Nacho before we kill him?In post 253, SpyreX wrote:Half and half. I'm not passionate but i dont have something revving my desires yet
While I am still alive, I decide when it is time to consider lynching Nacho. No one else.
Okay, then I'll ask for your opinion. Is it time to consider lynching Nacho?-
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Camn, I'm worried about something I said earlier. When I said your characterization of me was 'weirdly primitive', I meant that I thought you were characterizing ME as primitive, which I was describing as weird. But now I'm looking at it and I come across as insulting you, which I can assure you was not my intention at all!
My sincerest apologies.
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That's an easy lie to make, but I guess it's easy because it's plausible. Eh, If you say so.In post 270, JaeReed wrote: LLD had posted about her restriction by the time I reached the thread, I believe. I don't see why that's so hard for you to understand, really.
Veiled compliments? Don't get you.
The words you like I didn't even know were words you liked. I've been reading a lot of mafia theory lately because I've had problems with my reads. A lot of it I guess is posted by older players or something and I picked up the usage from there and fell into using it with you because that's what I tend to do.
The parts where you call me a 'logical' player and 'of course I am a difficult read' and whatever. They're called 'veiled' compliments because they appeal without being direct.
You know, the whole part where I didn't answer your question but instead asked you a question about myself? Which you *totally* noted yet elected not to say anything about?I don't even know what you mean by "consciously and deliberately turned it around on him" like... eh w/e. I'm actually reaching the end of my patience so I guess I need to cool it a bit.
That's what I... That was my entire...I wouldn't buddy up to any of those accounts if I wanted to buddy. I don't know any of you. If I were planning to buddy someone this game it'd be someone I've played with previously.
You seem to equate older accounts with being scumhunting gods. You're not. None of us are. Egos lose games.
*sigh*
What Camn said.Also, you think camn could have coached me? Y'know, the person who was tunneling me and i was tunneling them earlier? You can't seriously believe that.-
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In post 285, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Can you elaborate on why you think this because this is pretty moonbeams and I don’t get the sense from the rest of your posts that you are a moonbeams sorta guy.In post 222, Socrates wrote:MOI is really hung up on Lady's post restriction.
Your suspicion about LUV's attitude about the post restriction in posts 204 and 206. It did make up a significant chunk of your words at that point.
Has it really only been that long? It feels like longer.
The game has been open a whopping 26 or so hours when you made this. You are ready to start murdering “lurkers” before people can even be due a prod?In post 252, Socrates wrote:I'm starting to get to the point where I just want to murder some lurkers.
Time, what are you really?-
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Yeah, attacking the guy who responds favorably to the post restriction to keep the door open for a future mislynch as scum. It's not a strong scum-tell, just something I noticed.In post 288, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Yeah but that has little to do with me being "hung up" on LLD's claimed restriction and 100% to do with LUV's posts looking suspect.In post 287, Socrates wrote:Your suspicion about LUV's attitude about the post restriction in posts 204 and 206. It did make up a significant chunk of your words at that point.
So I'm not sure how that translates in me being overly worried about LLD's claim.-
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Scum sees townie with post restriction. Wants to keep them around because restricted townie makes their life easier and makes for a juicy target late game. Scum sees other player accept post restriction, gives them a slap about it because they don't want the town to just accept the restriction but aren't going to attack it directly.
'Hung up' was perhaps a poor choice of words, if that's what you are getting *hung up* on. (tee hee)-
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Ugh, it occurs to me that, on some level, I simply WANT to believe in a Jae/Camn scumteam. It's just such a pretty idea. So perfect. Everything from the way they voted for each other to Camn jumping on me the moment I laid a semi-serious vote on Jae to my previous comments about the coaching.
The way Camn is clinging to 'Socrates is clever scum' despite her accusing me of committing the newbest of newb-scum-tells (helpful scum) in no way helps. And I am too reserved? What happened to not giving scum instructions on how to win? YOUR words in this very thread.
The way Jae has completely flip-flopped from 'Socrates is too paranoid to be faking' to 'Socrates's paranoia is too contrived to be real' also doesn't help. (Also, for what it's worth, contriving a reason to jump on your wagon would have been foolhardy for me to do as scum, since the 'let's power-lynch the VI!' wagon always fails. Always. THAT is the football SpyreX was talking about if you haven't clued in to that yet, Jae.)
Pisskopp fails to impress.
Was Aristophanes making a point of not reading the thread?
LUV seems timid in general to me, but maybe I'm just not paying enough attention to him. Always a difficult call about what that says about alignment for a fairly new player.
My eyes are glazing over at Camn/Dunn's back and forth.
I said I wasn't going to comment on Kraska's claim, but I guess there's no harm in pointing out that falseClaim-Miller is the classical purview of the Serial Killer. It gets both investigative roles and the mafia off their backs in one swoop.-
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My apologies.SpyreX wrote:Woah now lets not sully something like a speed wagon by pretending its cause they're a vi
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It's about leaning on the the words themselves to build a case. Everything is a 'misrep' to the other party, and all votes can be called 'opportunistic'.In post 472, Nachomamma8 wrote:although "misrep" and "opportunistic", while overused, are still fairly important in finding bad boys and girls-
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I'll admit that I'm not familiar with StandardKop, but nothing you said once you finally caught up registered as interesting to me.
What reads? That Camn is tricksy? Did I miss a post? I don't find fault with the IAI scum-read per-say, but it's a pretty low-effort flake-vote.pisskop wrote:do my reads not impress too? or were those just not interesting enough to comment upon?-
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If they are arguing in the first place, it's usually because they don't understand each other. Respectful disagreement is a nice idea, but people rarely acknowledge it in practice, in my personal experience.In post 483, Nachomamma8 wrote:
not everything should be a misrep to the other party; no reason why two arguing people can't understand each otherIn post 479, Socrates wrote:
It's about leaning on the the words themselves to build a case. Everything is a 'misrep' to the other party, and all votes can be called 'opportunistic'.In post 472, Nachomamma8 wrote:although "misrep" and "opportunistic", while overused, are still fairly important in finding bad boys and girls
all votes can be called opportunistic, but there's a big difference between an scummily opportunistic vote and a vote that pushes someone close to a lynch
Either way, if you can make the argument sensibly without leaning on the buzzword, you are okay in my book.
I don't want to drag this out any further, though. I'm already uncomfortable with the amount of references people are making to my sig. I was going to change it before the game even started, though I never got around to doing so. I should probably go ahead and do that.-
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Would Camn be excited to play as scum against people she likes?
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No? And it would only be if your play was deviating from your normal style, which you claim it isn't and I can't contradict you.In post 489, pisskop wrote:
Theres a secret condition to my role. Is that interesting?In post 486, Socrates wrote:I'll admit that I'm not familiar with StandardKop, but nothing you said once you finally caught up registered as interesting to me.
What reads? That Camn is tricksy? Did I miss a post? I don't find fault with the IAI scum-read per-say, but it's a pretty low-effort flake-vote.pisskop wrote:do my reads not impress too? or were those just not interesting enough to comment upon?-
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Boy, Aristophanes accumulated 5 votes real fast, with at least one more stated 'unofficial' vote (Jae) and he's about due for a prod.
Don't like this. Not one bit.
Though if he's in the middle of committing the dreaded Double Flake, a scum-bus wouldn't just be possible, but probable.
The mod didn't spell this out, but it should be 7 to lynch with a clear majority in a 12 player game.Lil Uzi Vert wrote:It takes 6 to lynch right? Asking because I get this uneasy vibe with this group putting someone at L-1. If I had to describe it, it would be more bloodthirsty than reckless.
I have a completed scum game if anyone would like a look but yeah this is how I play. I understand it's not perfect and I'm working on that but it's a lot better than how I first started out on this site, which was try to imitate other people I saw and just try a whole bunch of things all at once. I got mislynched in all 4 of the games that I did that in.
And that's a good attitude, if it's genuine! Say what you feel, and don't worry about catching heat for not being as bold as the others. A lot of their actions come from sheer familiarity with lots of different experiences, and if you aren't familiar, you SHOULD be asking questions.-
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Welp, there goes my primary scumread in a puff of smoke and corpses.
I REALLY wish Nacho had answered this. It was a serious question! And an important one! I thought maybe he had dodged it because he was full of shit, but alas.In post 495, Socrates wrote:Would Camn be excited to play as scum against people she likes?
LUV's claim makes me go because reasons. I might elaborate. I might not. If you want to call me rusty, this is probably where I earn the descriptor.
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What.In post 837, kraska77 wrote:I'm also 1 shot commuter
Game could potentially end up with hqlf the town being untargettable if what hes saying is true
Which is why it's not-
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vote: Magna
Jae clearly breadcrumbed investigating Pisskop. He's town.
Magna's reasoning for hammer Uzi is fucking godawful. The mod refusing the confirm the presence of a third party is evidence of a third party?! That's VI logic, and he's no VI.
The only thing that gives me pause is that Uzi apparently WAS lying about being Ascetic, but I have no idea how Magna could know this other than being Ascetic himself. In which case, why the fuck didn't HE claim Ascetic day 1 if he thought that was the pro-town thing to do?
Prev-Edit: Magna, How does your BP interact with poison? I forget how that tends to work.
And your case on Camn better be fucking rock solid, because your snipes at her was as bad as she herself was saying.-
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I'm just going to assume nothing insane happened like Dunn decided to upgrade Pisskop night 1 and that upgrade made him into a godfather just as Jaereed chose to investigate him. That would be too much for my heart to bear!
Really? I missed this. Who? And when?MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Well either vote me or don't. Your going HMMMM really is of little interest to me.In post 918, Socrates wrote:The hammer on a lie that was contradicting your stated role is the only thing you have going FOR you, Magna, since he WAS lying. It's everything else surrounding the hammer that makes me go HMMMMM.
Also Pro-Tip - I was not the first person to bring up the concept of LUV being 3rd party. What do you think about that?
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If you think that post and your sarcastic response to my "HMM" comment doesn't come off as callous and melodramatic (and now you're throwing yet another insult my way!) then you seriously need to rethink how your words come across to others.In post 923, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
You really are rusty aren't you. You think me blandly telling you "Vote me or not" is melodramatics? I mean - that's pretty bad. If I get lynched due to LUV lying I get lynched. Life goes on. I'll make my Camn case and my Town flip with posthumously make it clear it is coming from a Town perspective.In post 922, Socrates wrote:Really? I missed this. Who? And when?
And your melodramatics about my suspicion is not helping.
And the thing I'm getting at here is that this hole you've dug isn't as deep as you seem to think it is. Especially when you claimed to have a thick skin. But maybe you wouldn't realize this if you ARE scum? Do you panic this easily as scum?-
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I'll be sure to keep this in mind, but my problem wasn't the idea of Uzi being third party. It's that you used the fact that the mod wouldn't confirm the presence of a third party as supporting evidence for the hammer!In post 923, MagnaofIllusion wrote: Well you missed it because you couldn't see it - I was LLD's best friend. Although that was only for yesterday and last Night. Now she has a new best friend. In fact that the only reason I even asked DS to confirm the possibility of third parties (which happened in the PT) whic led to his post was because LLD said basically "Yeah, he's third party".
And if camn somehow isn't scum LLD would be my first choice. She ostensibly Neighborized me to "sort" me as her biggest question mark but really did nothing to prod conversation between us.
In my day, no self respecting mod would EVER answer that question, REGARDLESS of the answer. Not to mention that DS has repeatedly tried to emphasize that he doesn't like people doing this.-
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Fuck it, now this is just crazy. I'm going to claim.
I'm a one-shot commuter with a drawback, just like Kraska. This is why I was going all hubba-wubba at her claim, but I re-examined her play, liked what I saw, saw how she had the exact same reaction to Uzi's claim as I did, and then looked at just how our roles aligned and thought 'this HAS to be a red herring'.
This is actually part of the reason why I'm currently sitting on Magna. A true bulletproof ON TOP of all the conditional protection in this game? And the flipped scum power is useless against ALL of it!? What IS this game?
And now we have ANOTHER set of conflicting claims?
Great, now I have to look at Kraska again, because there's no way they're BOTH red herrings.
Sell me on your claim, Camn. Considering Magna's description of their interactions, I might be willing to believe that LLD is the odd one out, but how does neighborizer fit with you supposedly being an upgrade-able robot? Any breadcrumbs to speak of?
I must admit I've been giving Spy a bit of a pass because he has mentioned being borderline V/LA for most of the game, but your argument about this supposed scum-slip gives me the same vibes as your push on me back in day 1.-
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