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my role pm makes me believe varsoon is probably scumIn post 113, mhsmith0 wrote:
Because _____?In post 111, Dwlee99 wrote:guys vote varsoon
Like, it seems even more random than usual to just be voting a 0 poster.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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I'll sheep thisIn post 127, beeboy wrote:Town: Smith, Pie, Cakez, Dwlee, NahdiaI prefer they, thanks :)-
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remind me to vote this tooIn post 170, Gamma Emerald wrote:LIES!
There's no way Luna can br townreading FB based on his one post!I prefer they, thanks :)-
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In post 177, drealmerz7 wrote:ooooyes, lookatme stir the pot!!Dwlee99 wrote:does dreal always play like this orI prefer they, thanks :)-
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we literally can't because you're making noiseIn post 182, drealmerz7 wrote:good luck forming your reads, everyone!I prefer they, thanks :)-
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lez flip himIn post 184, Nahdia wrote:dreal is being a bit more spazzy than im used to him being. either he flipped scum for the first(?) time and is overcorrecting himself, or he used caffeinated soap in the shower today.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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Noise is posting that: doesn't generate content, is annoying to read, useless posting, etc.In post 191, drealmerz7 wrote:
It really wasn't that much noise though...In post 185, Dwlee99 wrote:
we literally can't because you're making noiseIn post 182, drealmerz7 wrote:good luck forming your reads, everyone!
what is noise, exactly? I think it's content in there
So I'd say whenever you just add random ellipses and go !!!! a bunch of times it is noise cause I don't feel like reading it, it didn't really say anything, and is overall annoying to read.
I haven't played in ~2-3 months.In post 195, Gamma Emerald wrote:
NoIn post 192, Nahdia wrote:to be fair it's dwlee's first game in awhile.
IIRC he was in Family MafiaI prefer they, thanks :)-
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I think you may have missed a post earlier in the game lolIn post 240, SirCakez wrote:Definitely a scum in these two, I don't think both are though because I don't see scum doubling up on votes here immediatelyI prefer they, thanks :)-
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Are you seeing what I'm seeing?In post 285, Wisdom wrote:
VOTE: cakezIn post 281, SirCakez wrote:Only said immediately after I call him scummy lolI prefer they, thanks :)-
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I didnt like the way you pitted me and pisskop against each other in one of your posts when you said one of us has to be scum.
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In post 394, SirCakez wrote:lol whatIn post 240, SirCakez wrote:
You are scum aren't you?In post 148, Dwlee99 wrote:
I'll sheep thisIn post 127, beeboy wrote:Town: Smith, Pie, Cakez, Dwlee, NahdiaDreal looks like spazzy, low hanging fruit town to me
Definitely a scum in these two, I don't think both are though because I don't see scum doubling up on votes here immediately
This is probably scum with one of the above, throwing shade w/o actually voting.In post 216, Varsoon wrote:Instead of talking about this fargone hardly-game-related external nonsense,
let's get to the meat of the thing:
Drealmerz. Are you scum?
This is your one chance to answer truthfully.
And this also could be scum.Wisdom wrote:too many pages I'm not reading
my vote still looks good
Damn and I thought finding scummy people would be hardI prefer they, thanks :)-
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That you're setting up a pool of two people and declaring one has to be scum 2 days into the gameIn post 420, SirCakez wrote:Then WTF did you mean?I prefer they, thanks :)-
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In post 437, pisskop wrote:
Are you going somewhere with this? this is a fairly weak angle.In post 435, Dwlee99 wrote:
That you're setting up a pool of two people and declaring one has to be scum 2 days into the gameIn post 420, SirCakez wrote:Then WTF did you mean?
I'm gonna just nvm this as you playing poorly rather than trying to setup two mislynches.In post 438, SirCakez wrote:In post 435, Dwlee99 wrote:
That you're setting up a pool of two people and declaring one has to be scum 2 days into the gameIn post 420, SirCakez wrote:Then WTF did you mean?
That's what I'm doing, yes.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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Should I continue thisIn post 503, beeboy wrote:Dwlee I thought you where sheeping me btw :<I prefer they, thanks :)-
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NO YOU ARENT YOU DRAGGED ME INTO THIS GAME AND YOU'RE GOING DOWN WITH MEIn post 881, beeboy wrote:Luna if you don't stop I am replacing out of this game.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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kIn post 932, Nahdia wrote:Dwlee99 my goofy comrade: i'm gonna talk in meme so u understand me better. m9 u wanna fite m8? r u scum m8? il brek ur legs, swer on mi mum. il fook u up i wil. honestly. alllright?I prefer they, thanks :)-
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Pie you really have no clue how to read me. I dont do any of the things you mentioned when I roll scum. Or if I do theyre definitely not alignment indicative. I am gonna be "responsible," do my homework that I need to, take a break from league and play this game tonight.
Keeping up with all of these posts is hard when school is happening because I cant check my phone to read and respond like I was somehow able to do without getting in trouble at school last year.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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I was having trouble forming reads and drealz's posting was absolute garbage and total noise. I'll give you the last sentence cause you're right I haven't put everything into this game but I think you're smart enough to know effort =/= being town and low effort =/= being scum.pieguyn wrote:a lot of dwlee's reads don't feel naturally formed; they feel like they're designating scum reads and coming up with reasons to push them afterward. the read on drealz is one example of this: it amounted to drealz being scum for "noise", which is a kind of push i hate because it's entirely to do with policy and nothing to do with his actual play; there's nothing in there that suggests dwlee is actually attempting to sort and think critically about drealz
Thatit's the kind of thing scum focuses on when they want to give the impression that someone needs to die because they're not playing optimally. arguments like that are usually really safe arguments to push because it's really easy for town players to get pissed off and say "fuck it, i agree" instead of thinking too hard about it - and even if they don't, people usually don't fault the aggressor for pushing them because what they're saying is (objectively) truecanbe a thing could push because of those reasons but you're just fitting it to a scum narrative. You say "this argument is safe to push" and "people usually don't fault the aggressor" and then attach a scum agenda to it. Conditional probability: If someone is scum they are likely to push these arguments. But someone pushing these arguments does not (necessarily) make them more likely to be scum.
I saw a false dichotomy I didn't like. Cakez posting afterwards made me realize I didn't think it through too much and it probably wasn't alignment indicative so I backed off.the read on Cakez-kun i don't take quite as much issue with, but i still don't think his interpretation of the post (second quote in 240) is all that great. lining up lynches is definitely a thing scum does, but it isn't what Cakez-kun was doing - what Cakez-kun was doing was seeing a notable momentum shift onto someone he thought was town and making the assumption there had to be a scum on it. i don't think there's anything unreasonable there and i don't see why that would catch anyone's attention to that extent unless they had a previous scum read on the slot, which i don't think dwlee dida lot of this also has to do with timing: all of their scum reads/pushes (drealz, Gamma, Cakez-kun) have mostly appeared along with these people becoming leading/viable wagons. i think they're also being not very proactive in terms of explaining their reads in general, their reaction to Gamma (172) and their Cakez-kun read being two examples of this - that was pretty much all of the effort they put into explaining either of those reads, and in particular, for Cakez-kun being a strong enough read to vote, there was... like... no effort beyond the one post they called out to actually push or question or refine the read on him. i don't get the impression they're interested in pushing anything besides targets they know they can safely push
I see this a lot when I'm town as well where people go through this whole thing where they're like "Dwlee would be looking for something safe to push when he's scum!!" when I don't even think that deeply about my play. Anyone who tries to pin these super deep thoughtful motives to my actions and calls me scum for it doesn't understand my scum play (or any of my play for that matter).Earlier in this Post wrote:I think you're smart enough to know effort =/= being town and low effort =/= being scum.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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In post 1169, pieguyn wrote:
um... posts like 183 don't seem to imply that it's a "having trouble forming reads" thing, that seems like it would imply "I have a scum read on you because you're generating noise for scum to hide under".In post 1161, Dwlee99 wrote:I was having trouble forming reads and drealz's posting was absolute garbage and total noise. I'll give you the last sentence cause you're right I haven't put everything into this game but I think you're smart enough to know effort =/= being town and low effort =/= being scum.
This is me telling him if he is town to stop being dumb. You're right about my reason but that doesn't mean it is or was a particularly[post=#8548581]183[/post] wrote:If you're town you're just making noise and creating a smoke screen for scum to hide understrongread.
Gotta pick someone? I unvoted a while back when he got to l-1 though cause I wasn't comfortable with day ending so early.the rest of your treatment of him this game, like... the fact that he appears to be your preferred lynch... implies the same thing.
I got a scum read on him from it and then I hit a period of low activity. I don't know how you expect me to refine my read when I am not posting and there's like 10 pages while I'm at school. So this comes straight back to effort.I also think that you're a smart enough player to know that "noise" does not necessarily mean scum and that's a large part of why I don't like the fact that you have focused on it the entirety of this game day without attempting to refine the read any further - it isn't about high effort or low effort, it's that I don't buy that you would just declare "scum because noise" and leave it at that.
Because he isn't saying anything. He's just sitting there and saying random stuff. Noise is garbage.if you think the actual content in his posts are garbage irrespective of how noisy they are, I'd like to hear why (my read on him based on his posts is almost entirely null since I can't parse them at all). if I'm wrong in my interpretation of your read on him and you mostly just wanted him out of the game, I'd like to hear what your current picks for scum actually are, since that's another issue in itself (if you need a bit of time to read the thread and answer this that's fine).
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the main bulk of my issue is what I wrote in the first paragraph of this post and this is why I don't think the read is likely to come from you as town. the fact that it has advantages for scum is just an extra benefit that makes me think it is something you would reasonably do (I am sure you know that if you can't figure out the scum motivation for something, you likely should hesitate to push it as a scum tell even if you're not sure they would do it as town)In post 1161, Dwlee99 wrote:That can be a thing could push because of those reasons but you're just fitting it to a scum narrative. You say "this argument is safe to push" and "people usually don't fault the aggressor" and then attach a scum agenda to it. Conditional probability: If someone is scum they are likely to push these arguments. But someone pushing these arguments does not (necessarily) make them more likely to be scum.
I guess he has done stuff in the past 5 pagesish I've missed? I don't recall him doing much.I'm curious as to what gives you the impression Varsoon is a low-effort player this game. besides that, if you want me to explain a specific read, feel free to ask.I prefer they, thanks :)-
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If you want me to be honest I stopped reading his posts lolIn post 1193, pieguyn wrote:
this is the part that I take issue with.In post 1178, Dwlee99 wrote:Because he isn't saying anything. He's just sitting there and saying random stuff. Noise is garbage.
drealz is a really erratic and noisy player, but it *isn't* true that he doesn't have any content anywhere in his posts. he is forming reads, taking stances, and so forth, even if there's a lot of erraticness in his posts and even if he isn't the most cooperative player.
a town approach, I would expect to be actually reading his posts and what they contain and analyzing it in some way or another, even if they still come out of it with a scum read (what for instance beeboy is doing even if I don't agree with most of his reasons). what you did, on the other hand, was you said "his posts are nothing but noise, so he's scum" - you're either missing or deliberately ignoring what his posts actually contain and writing it all off as just "noise", and no, you not being here does not have anything to do with this. even when you were here and present in the game thread, for about the first ~2 RL days of the game, his posts had at least some stances and reads in them.
if you had trouble forming a read on his posts early in the game, that's fine, but once you catch up I would like you to actually attempt to read the content of his posts and form an opinion of him that isn't just about "noise = scum".I prefer they, thanks :)-
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hi so I liked aero's catchup posts and cakez has been kinda sketchy but I'm not really sure cause he made some townie posts earlyish and pie has that backup IC claimIn post 1462, Wisdom wrote:varsoon tunnels dreal
dreal tunnels varsoon and beeboy
beeboy tunnels dreal and luna
luna tunnels beeboy
Meanwhile cakez/aero/pie are laughing at you winning the game for them
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