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This game is probably actually bastard, time to prove it
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Wow holy crap speak a name and five minutes later the player shows up for the first time in a year. The beetlejuicing is real.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Would be funny if remilla was GIF's alt I guess.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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What do you do instead?In post 11, drealmerz7 wrote:drive-by check-in
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I don't do RVS most of the time, but, hey, for pieguyn, right?
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Works for me, mod already lied about scarlet
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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No, it's lol nup fake role. Come on beeboy.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Choo choo
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Town lean on beeboy. Worry about him later.In post 40, Luna Fox wrote:I can't tell which of bee's posts are serious and which aren't. RIP me.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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I fixed your typosIn post 43, beeboy wrote:In post 40, Luna Fox wrote:I can't tell which of bee's posts are serious and which aren't. RIP me.
I only make serious posts and then edit them into shit posts before hitting submitShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Agree on beeboy, pie claim probably good too. Less sure on Luna/wisdom.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Too bad I can't claim jester thenShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Shit-poster town block gogogoIn post 52, beeboy wrote:Smith is town.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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This is beeboy as scum. IIRC it's his only scum game so far on MS. it's old so not 100% but MUCH different tone and feel to his posts. Beeboy sounds here like he usually does. Therefore probably just town.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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In post 79, pieguyn wrote:
why do you feel so certain making a body-of-work tone call when the game is just barely out of RVS on page 4?In post 73, mhsmith0 wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
This is beeboy as scum. IIRC it's his only scum game so far on MS. it's old so not 100% but MUCH different tone and feel to his posts. Beeboy sounds here like he usually does. Therefore probably just town.
How certain do you think I am at this juncture? If played w beeboy before, he sounds normal for him, and his scum game didn't. I also took a quick look at gistou but that was a hydra game for him so I'd think less relevant.Therefore probably just townShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Relevant posts:In post 87, pieguyn wrote:
the tone and wording of the post suggest you feel pretty strongly about it, and that your stance is for the most part immutable.In post 81, mhsmith0 wrote:How certain do you think I am at this juncture? If played w beeboy before, he sounds normal for him, and his scum game didn't. I also took a quick look at gistou but that was a hydra game for him so I'd think less relevant.
I think it's very early to commit to that kind of strong, "sorted and done" stance. one would usually stop to consider that beeboy might have improved his scum game, or that he was able to temporarily break his tone enough to where he could play a genuine-sounding RVS, and probably declare an initial town read on the slot but not be as sure and continue to pay attention to see what he does/look for off notes later before strongly committing to it.
basically I don't think "tone" is a basis for which most people would feel that comfortable declaring a read on someone immediately after the game started.
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Town lean on beeboy. Worry about him later.In post 40, Luna Fox wrote:I can't tell which of bee's posts are serious and which aren't. RIP me.In post 50, mhsmith0 wrote:Agree on beeboy, pie claim probably good too. Less sure on Luna/wisdom.
These are the sort of posts that suggest it'd take a fair amount to get me off my town read. Obviously you never lock it in at this stage, but it's a read I'm pretty comfortable with.In post 73, mhsmith0 wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
This is beeboy as scum. IIRC it's his only scum game so far on MS. it's old so not 100% but MUCH different tone and feel to his posts. Beeboy sounds here like he usually does. Therefore probably just town.
Ps hydra games are annoying to ISO because you have to actively sort posts by who signed which instead of just clicking the ISO button and they're all from the same person. Also you can presumably have more direct feedback w your buddies in a hydra compared to most other games. So I might look at it if I start getting beeboy doubts at some point but really not a priority to do.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Aero thoughts? His opening has kinda sucked too IMO.In post 95, pisskop wrote:Vote gamma with me.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Blind spot scum? Clarify what that means.
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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If you're just voting for "not an active poster" why not aero or gamma, people who actively have votes?In post 98, SirCakez wrote:My problem right now is like almost everyone who's posted has posted something townie, but they can't all be town
And I highly doubt all of the scum are just in the people doing nothing
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Oh sure it's been a really easy wagon, but why is that indicative either way for him? If he's scum then he could have a buddy bussing, or maybe scum are just inactive so far.In post 102, SirCakez wrote:Aero's opening indeed sucked but the way he got wagoned so quickly almost feels too easy
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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Your justification was seemingly "he's not an active poster". So if all you're doing is voting an inactive (it didn't seem like you had more justification than that), why not vote an inactive that has votes?In post 104, SirCakez wrote:Pisskop is an active poster?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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Because _____?In post 111, Dwlee99 wrote:guys vote varsoon
Like, it seems even more random than usual to just be voting a 0 poster.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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In post 117, Dwlee99 wrote:
my role pm makes me believe varsoon is probably scumIn post 113, mhsmith0 wrote:
Because _____?In post 111, Dwlee99 wrote:guys vote varsoon
Like, it seems even more random than usual to just be voting a 0 poster.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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Checks aeros ISO... go on...
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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I skimmed that one, was hilarious. 14v3, town loses anyway. Towns lost ALL of fakegods large dance games too, which is juts strange to me.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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How?In post 134, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This post is susp afIn post 85, Luna Fox wrote:
Tee-Hee i know things you dont~In post 77, pieguyn wrote:
no specific reason, I'm just getting a general feel of things.In post 71, Luna Fox wrote:
Oh but it is!In post 69, pieguyn wrote:that specific post isn't town, I think, I'm town reading him for something entirely unrelated.
And i was townreading him since before, so why even bring that up?
if your reason for calling the post town is "scum don't question town reads on them", it's one of the easiest things in the world to fake.
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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What in there seems malicious?In post 138, Gamma Emerald wrote:It's a jokey post but I see malice inside itShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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Wifom is NAI. Softing role knowledge is also NAI (debatably a bit town indicative if anything).
What are your thoughts on the other people who've been posting?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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How was his townread there unclear? Like, it seems pretty obvious you disagree, but beeboy has been quite clear on what his reasoning is.In post 316, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well beeboy needs to explain that townread on Wisdom better
FWIW I've seen similar logic before
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8135714
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when DGB used that when describing xkfyu (both were town - and FWIW, that game is still my personal trigger warning; my WIM has been like permanently damaged by how ridiculously lazy that town was)
In this case, I'd agree w Wisdom that it's fakeable, but I don't really see the problem with at least giving minor town points for doing something that, while fakable, is presumably something he might at least think twice about doing while scum, but would probably just go ahead and state straight out as town.
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is a pretty decent response to your dumb question. He saidIn post 286, Wisdom wrote:
i dont answer to dumb questionsIn post 284, Gamma Emerald wrote:
answer this WisdomIn post 275, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why would you ISO Aero though?
in response toIn post 239, Wisdom wrote:i iso'd aero
So your question was really easy to answer yourself, which suggests that you are either too lazy to go back and figure it out on your own, or that you're just doing busywork.In post 238, drealmerz7 wrote:Wisdom - how do you know if your vote "still looks good" if you haven't seen what has progressed? It looks good like a coat of paint that hasn't weathered yet, or what?? weakassshit thatisShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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this is the sort of thing which begs for examples and explanation.In post 174, drealmerz7 wrote:lots of scumpings of smith,- plus buddying to beeboy on a few occasions at leastlike he's trying to find which agenda to push
It's also strange that you'd see my "buddying" and presume that beeboy and I were wolf bros. Do you think that teammates interact with each other the way that beeboy and I have? Can you provide any examples of this sort of thing this early in a game?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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because he's lazy?In post 318, Gamma Emerald wrote:I asked that question because why the fuck would he only ISO Aero?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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I mean, Aero was who he voted, and then someone asked him if the vote was still good, and he was like "yep" and "because I ISO'd". I don't actually see what's suspicious about it. If you want to call it NAI and a playstyle thing fine, but I don't see the scum pings from it at all.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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Dude, drealmerz literally asked him in 238. I even quoted it in my response a few posts ago.
Now, the actual sequence was
Wisdom: vote still good
dreal: why
Wisdom: I ISO'd
But nevertheless, there's nothing fundamentally suspicious about it from Wisdom, and I don't understand why you thhink it was suspicious. Wisdom was being lazy, and half-assedly ISO'd Aero's three shitty posts and didn't bother reading much of anything else, and then posted to that effect.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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Like, if you want to push on Wisdom for what is essentially null behavior, then I'd think it'd be the result of you having a bunch of decent town reads and having him in a "others" pile. If that was your thought process that'd make sense, but for that itself to be a ping on you is weird.
FWIW, you've also had a weird vote/push on Luna, for what also seems to be a playstyle thing for her (her playstyle is to do town reads and then vote in her "others" pile, so 189 in that context is pushing on something null; and I still don't get what you were on in 134/138/140).
On the upside it seems like you're trying, but your pushes and reads have been nearly nonsensical, which makes me think that you're PROBABLY just the bait of the game.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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he was asked why his vote was still good, his answer was it was still good because he ISO'd. I fail to see how that doesn't make sense.In post 325, Gamma Emerald wrote:He wasn't asked IF, he was asked WHY.
And if he ISOed Aero, why not ISO a TR to get some extra opinions on things?
As far as ISO'ing a TR, he basically said he was going to be lazy, and has in fact continued to be lazy. If your question is "why isn't he working harder", then that's a playstyle thing. Some people are lazy, either in spurts or over a longer period of time. If you want to push on him for being lazy, then substantiate enough town reads to make it reasonable to push him essentially just for not being a town read. If you want to pretend that his laziness is itself meaningfully AI, then I doubt that people are going to follow you.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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Actually I'll edit the above a bit. He's been a bit low on content but hasn't been flagrantly lazy.
His posts from 242 on have actual opinions in them, even if the reasoning behind them is sometimes opaque.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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That said, Gamma, given your opinion of Wisdom, do you think Cakey is therefore town? That's Wisdom's current target; if Wisdom is scum, has he spewed Cakey town? Is that distancing? Do you have any opinion on what he's actually pushing right now?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Here's Wisdom in GoT (the game I was with him in)In post 329, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wisdom isn't normally a lazy player though.
Maybe there's something else going on?
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He doesn't seem horribly differnet here to there. Which game(s) have you played with him before that he seems differnet from?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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I don't really understand why selective isoing is a sign of anything other than laziness. If there's something more there I think you need to explain it.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Well I think gamma actually believes the silly argument he's making, but that doesn't change it being a silly argument.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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@Luna: You say that you make mistakes like these fairly often. Is there a game in particular that you feel represents that? I don't remember you substantially misreading anyone's posts in open 646, and I also don't remember you being OMGUSy there (despite Transcend spending a lot of the game pushing pretty hard on you, for largely garbage reasons). Is that also part of your meta that just happened not to show up that game?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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The point was that Gamma had made a habit of pushing people for what is essentially null behavior, and I was digging into that. You reading it as if "this was null" was itself the primary objective of the back and forth is strange; I feel like my point there was obvious.In post 347, drealmerz7 wrote:
pushing and pushing your viewpoint "it's null it's null!!!" we get what you think, not everyone thinks thatIn post 324, mhsmith0 wrote: ...But nevertheless, there's nothing fundamentally suspicious about it from Wisdom...
this quoted phrase is erroneous because:
it's not an "okay" answer, it's essentially "why is your vote still valid if you're not current on the happenings?" with a response of "I selectively chose what to look at, out of context, and am making a judgement based on that and not using this many words to say so because if I do that it's obvious how scummy I am, so I'll use minimal words and make you guess at wtf"
You shaded me, I asked for evidence behind your theory. Apparently instead of actually providing the evidence you vomited out a vote instead. And then pissed off onto Varsoon soon after.In post 349, drealmerz7 wrote:just saying
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aero seems ok since he started actually playing
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What's been happening:
beeboy: luna, I don't think you'd make these mistakes while reading, therefore you're prob scum
luna: beeboy, you couldn't possibly be this bad at reading me, therefore you'd obv scum
meh. I suppose a staged fight it theoretically possible, but I'm null on luna, still TR'ing beeboy.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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And you discovered _____?In post 675, Gamma Emerald wrote:I just checcked the game I remembered you being in.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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sketchy reasoningIn post 393, Dwlee99 wrote:I didnt like the way you pitted me and pisskop against each other in one of your posts when you said one of us has to be scum.
pointless questionIn post 397, SirCakez wrote:Aero why not claim miller in your opening post if you were going to do it?
I explained the pisskop vote later, keep reading.
Could you clarify your reads on:In post 401, Aeronaut wrote:
Gamma 64 - seems null to me; why would a wolf be particularly motivated to shade a PR claim in that spot?
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I've seen beeboy have pretty bad town games, like the time I did basically nothing for two game days and got a strong town read or in open 642 (the game to never speak of again). I get the sense he's overall competent but "he could totally never be bad" doesn't really apply.In post 688, Luna Fox wrote:
>Beeboy pushes me for not readingIn post 685, Nahdia wrote:since when is not reading the game a scumtell
>I explain that i did read aero's posts but i didnt read the reads list fully and i explained until which point i read and what was my reaction to it
>Beeboy pushes me for not reading
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Like seriously is your brother this bad as town?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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I've now referenced that horrible game TWICE already. ffs. I feel dirty.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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IIRC when Aero claimed, his wagon was basically collapsing.In post 744, Varsoon wrote:I'm not talking about the Miller claim--that was a good idea. Claiming Miller D1 is what you should always do.
I'm talking about being the highest voted wagon and then claiming Miller but also claiming your role is very powerful otherwise.
395Here he claims
200Here he was at L-2
Nahdia, pieguyn, beeboy, Wisdom, mhsmith0
217Here Nahdia flips to Varsoon (Aero at 4)
225Here beeboy also flips to Varsoon(Aero at 3)
231Here Varsoon flips to no voting to voting Drealz making him a 3-vote wagon
274Here Pie flips to Dwlee (Aero at 2)
285Here Wisdom flips to Cakez (Aero at 1)
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and only then does Aero claim. So I don't really see how "Aero claimed to shut down his wagon" works as any kind of theory. He was long since off of the board's radar when he claimed.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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pieguyn - town lean
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Gamma Emerald - town lean
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Wisdom - town lean
drealmerz7 - ???
SirCakez - ???
Aeronaut - town lean
beeboy - town
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pisskop - ???
I feel like I should have a decent scum read by now but I don't particularly.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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As a simple example, I look at Varsoon's 744 and it displays a pretty profound lack of thread awareness given that he's pushing an argument that makes zero sense given what was actually happening. It's derpy enough to maybe be town (since scum would probably know basic stuff like "what was actually happening around the events that I'm talking about) but idk if Varsoon is any good at faking that sort of thing, or is actually derpy as scum.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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It's more that I've spent more time thinking on Luna's slot than the ???'s, so I'm actually null on her, compared to some of the other slots where I don't really have a developed opinion. Some, like Varsoon, Nahdia, and dwlee, I'm not really sure that there's enough there that I could have a meaningful opinion yet (I'm mulling over whether it's fair to at least slight town read varsoon for the derp in 744, haven't decided yet). I don't really feel good about my ability to read Cakez and probably should spend more time there but haven't. I've also been demotivated from really digging through dreal's shit-posting and deciding what I should be thinking about him.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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@luna and beeboy: could the two of you like just not talk to or about each other for the next 24 or 48 hours? No one is interested in hopping on your 1v1 and it's not really fun to watch either.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Yeah well that point isn't today so deal with it later? There are many ther players, talk about them again please.In post 837, Luna Fox wrote:Like, pushing me with BS reasoning is something every scum does.
But now saying im lying about something he clearly said is something i can no longer tolerate.
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So I'm scum? Ok then why am i scum other than my town reading beeboy?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Beeboy hasn't really been pushing you that hard though, and it seems plausible that it was a misread/miscommunication, which kinda happens a lot in games. Other than "I can't believe he's doing this to me" (which obviously applies only to you here) i don't really see the case for it being an intentional scum ploy. It feels more like a fight that just spiraled out of control than anything else.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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He's really not been attempting to lynch you though. Like, looking at his quotes since his first move away from his push on you (when he went to dreal), he's fighting you on specific points but other than a brief but isn't voting you or calling for votes on you. It looks a lot more like he's just frustrated w you than it does that he's actually trying to get you lynched. And I'm a bit skeptical that scum!beeboy would just keep on the frustration bit this long WITHOUT actually making an effort to turn it into a mislynch.In post 855, Luna Fox wrote:
>Not pushing me hardIn post 850, mhsmith0 wrote:Beeboy hasn't really been pushing you that hard though, and it seems plausible that it was a misread/miscommunication, which kinda happens a lot in games. Other than "I can't believe he's doing this to me" (which obviously applies only to you here) i don't really see the case for it being an intentional scum ploy. It feels more like a fight that just spiraled out of control than anything else.
>Calling out for votes on me and attempting to mislynch me
>When asked why, he goes on about all these misreps as explanations
>Everyone ignores his misreps until now, and still continue to townread him
Okay how do does that make me think ppl are supposed to be town and townreading him again?
In post 679, beeboy wrote:Can you quote these mistakes since in Dank Meme, Street Fighter and Dragon Age mafia I can't remember you actually doing any of this. The exception to this would be dragon age mafia where you interpreted my "Luna town more pls" post as me saying I was scum reading you which is a lot more reasonable then what you did with Aero.
Also I am serious about lynching Drealz and giving Pie a chance to read you to convince me you are town if I am wrong.
Anyway I will reply to your other posts now.In post 696, beeboy wrote:I like how Luna is misrepresenting me to try and lynch me and for some reason I have to believe she is town.
I didn't BoP Luna in any way shape or form.In post 640, Luna Fox wrote:Actually, My gut says that town beeboy wouldnt be using a "I dont believe town you wouldnt make mistakes in reading" since when am i good enough to be BoP'd?
VOTE: Beeboy
I never said any of this.In post 643, Luna Fox wrote:
Not reallyIn post 641, Wisdom wrote:beeboy seems pretty town to me
When Mr. Im so familiar with Luna says "Town Luna doesnt do X" when in all of my games X has happened at least once, it's more of a mislynch attempt.In post 697, beeboy wrote:Like straight up if Luna misrepresenting me is supposed to give me "good gut feelings" or whatever I am playing this game very wrong right now.In post 699, beeboy wrote:Anyway can we just lynch Drealz now.In post 704, beeboy wrote:Like I won't try and lynch Luna until tomorrow when Pie has her chance to read Luna.
And I highly doubt Drealz and Luna could drive a lynch on me so can we just move on?In post 709, beeboy wrote:Like straight up I just want to move on from this.In post 724, beeboy wrote:I am starting to think Luna could be town, but her read on me is so bad and full of misrepresentations it could be faked.In post 765, beeboy wrote:Luna before you go and find posts I just want you to know that even if you really do regularly forget to read individual important posts that still doesn't change how sketchy it is you expect to be town read for sharing 1 or 2 reads with someone.In post 780, beeboy wrote:
/shrug None of these are remotely close to similar to what I mentioned in 768In post 775, Luna Fox wrote:Well beeboy's moving the goalposts, but i'll still post them anyway
Spoiler: Dragon Age Mafia
Spoiler: Street Fighter Mafia
Spoiler: Pick your Poison
Spoiler: Semi Nightless
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I was going to keep looking through my games but got tired.In post 783, beeboy wrote:
Your "mistake" was not reading which is literally the same as why I am scum reading you tho.In post 781, Luna Fox wrote:You're scumreading me for making mistakes
You're scumreading me for "not reading" (when i already proved i never said i didnt read, i said i didnt fully read ONE of his posts, which was the reads list)
But as I mentioned, you keep moving the goalposts.In post 787, beeboy wrote:In post 466, Luna Fox wrote:
He seems to agree with some of my opinions yet doesnt comment on them.In post 462, beeboy wrote:
How did he ignore you? I don't recall you posting anything directed at him.In post 452, Luna Fox wrote:Gamma's right, did you miss aero's catchup posts?
Although he blatantly ignored me during his catchup.
Sorry I didn't expect you to bring up his reads if they where never relevant.In post 467, Luna Fox wrote:Basically i think he might be faking some of those reads.
I must be terrible :<In post 790, beeboy wrote:
I actually don't know tbh!In post 788, Wisdom wrote:
i dont really agree with dreal doing that but if you're thinking scum will make use of it to lurk, why do you continue the 1v1?In post 779, beeboy wrote:I think he is trying to avoid actually having to explain them by lurking out while me and Luna do this 1v1 thing.
Thanks Wisdom for the great idea I can just ignore her and push her tomorrow!In post 799, beeboy wrote:
Ok I lied this is just bullshit I am not ignoring Luna anymore.In post 796, Luna Fox wrote:Town doesnt do BS pushes on me full of misreps.
At least i've never seen town beeboy do that.
But since beeboy's kinda revenge heavy on me since Gistou I'm assuming this is his way of getting revenge.
To make me get mislynched when i've never been.
How the fuck do you think I am revenge heavy because of Gistou?
We literally played PCB mafia between now and Gistou where I was town reading you while you called me claimed scum.
You are literally just making shit up at this point to somehow try and discredit me or something.
Also nothing I said is a misrep, I said I don't believe you when you say you didn't process the differences in read list and you didn't magically read posts that aren't there. No part of that statement is a misrepresentation.
I can't say it is a fact that you didn't magically read posts that aren't there but I definitely have trouble believing you.In post 800, beeboy wrote:What is with you and thinking I have some kind of personal vendetta against you.In post 818, beeboy wrote:But Luna is lying about something so simplistic it isn't even funny.In post 825, beeboy wrote:
Did this conversation happen in your head or something?In post 821, Luna Fox wrote:and when my faction still won in the end you told me you'll seek revenge one day.In post 828, beeboy wrote:
Do you want me to just replace out because us being in a game together clearly isn't working?In post 826, Luna Fox wrote:Nope, and when im finding im gonna slap it in your face.
Tho if it's in a private communication it'll probably get me modkilled but w/e im not letting you get away with blatantly lying about what you've told me.
I don't particularly want to replace out but this is genuinely stupid and want this to stop.In post 836, beeboy wrote:
Maybe I did say it I don't know but if I did I didn't mean anything by it and I wouldn't have said it in such a way where you could possibly infer I would try and mislynch you just to try and piss you off.In post 830, Luna Fox wrote:So you want to put someone else in your scum slot?
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Yeah but he's basically dropped that since and it's been >24 hours and it mainly looks like he's frustrated w you, and I'm not sure he's that good of an actor to fake it if scum, or that he'd actually be this frustrated with your push that no one believes if he was scum.In post 877, Luna Fox wrote:
It was kinda before he switched to drealzIn post 873, mhsmith0 wrote:He's really not been attempting to lynch you though. Like, looking at his quotes since his first move away from his push on you (when he went to dreal), he's fighting you on specific points but other than a brief but isn't voting you or calling for votes on you. It looks a lot more like he's just frustrated w you than it does that he's actually trying to get you lynched. And I'm a bit skeptical that scum!beeboy would just keep on the frustration bit this long WITHOUT actually making an effort to turn it into a mislynch.
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I mean my read is you're both mad at each other (you more than him) and that's the core of both your mutual pushes, and I'm not super into wagoning either side of that. So basically accept that either you're right and can mock us relentlessly after you're proven right, or you're lost in your hate-tunnel and need to get yourself out of it. My guess is the latter is much likelier.In post 879, Luna Fox wrote:
Oh coo you just fucked up, so i should scumread you for making mistakes too?In post 878, beeboy wrote:I am sorry about lying about saying I will get revenge on you. I didn't remember saying it at the time and I am sorry about messing up my read on you.
You are taking this way too seriously Luna I just fucked up,
Like you scumread me for making mistakes?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?-
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Remind me why varsoon and gamma are wolves? Ive kinda gotten distracted of late forIn post 895, SirCakez wrote:Because everything he's done is NAI IMO and scum like varsoon and gamma are pushing him.reasonsShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?