Mini 1834: Biker Wars: Blood in the Streets (Game over!)

Aristophanes · Post Post #4 (isolation #0) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:30 am

VOTE: Kuribo

I lied

Aristophanes · Post Post #31 (isolation #1) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:24 pm

eagerSnake wrote:So your reasoning is "I'm town so someone voting me must be scum." You know that's the exact definition of OMGUS, right?

I mean, he has a point. It is likely a scum voted him, as he received 5 votes, with him assuming himself town. that would be almost 50% of the game and 60% of the town embroiled in one out-of-the-gates wagon. Add on to this the fact that scum want to look towny and will often jump on these type of things to fit in and you have an even higher chance of it.

Why are you so quick to dismiss the idea?

Also, not OMGUS. Logic.

Aristophanes · Post Post #32 (isolation #2) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:25 pm

Hahaha I got ninja'd by UT's Murdercock

Also by Kuribo being sensible.

Aristophanes · Post Post #45 (isolation #3) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:59 pm

In post 34, eagerSnake wrote:
In post 31, Aristophanes wrote:Also, not OMGUS. Logic.
Hi Aristophanes. I'm curious, what is your definition of OMGUS?

OMGUS is a suspicion upon a player due to their suspicion on you. This ranges wildly and often includes voting someone back. However, in this case, Kuribo is stating something mathematically logical, and the situation would be the same no matter who had been voted. It is therefore not OMGUS. If something is objectively correct, how is it OMGUS!?

Aristophanes · Post Post #50 (isolation #4) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:13 pm

I think that was rhetorical..

Aristophanes · Post Post #53 (isolation #5) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:18 pm

In post 51, eagerSnake wrote:
In post 45, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 34, eagerSnake wrote:
In post 31, Aristophanes wrote:Also, not OMGUS. Logic.
Hi Aristophanes. I'm curious, what is your definition of OMGUS?
OMGUS is a suspicion upon a player due to their suspicion on you. This ranges wildly and often includes voting someone back. However, in this case, Kuribo is stating something mathematically logical, and the situation would be the same no matter who had been voted. It is therefore not OMGUS. If something is objectively correct, how is it OMGUS!?
Not that your definition is wrong, but I have a different, simpler definition. Any time someone states anything that relates to "You're scum because you're voting/attacking me and I'm town," I consider it OMGUS.

In post 26, kuribo wrote:with me being town [...] players voting me on page one [...] at least one is a scared child, trying to fit into a man's game.

Our definitions are the same, though mine more thorough.

What he was saying there is that statistically, with himself knowing his own alignment, one of his voters should be scum. To the rest of us, one of the voters and/or himself should be scum.

Why are you reading so much into this?

Aristophanes · Post Post #57 (isolation #6) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:33 pm

In post 54, eagerSnake wrote:
In post 53, Aristophanes wrote:Why are you reading so much into this?
You shouldn't be surprised, considering 09:12 where I tunneled ASP the entire game based on his 1st post.

Valid. I still have to point this out though.

Aristophanes · Post Post #59 (isolation #7) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:38 pm

In post 58, eagerSnake wrote:
In post 55, farside22 wrote:Don't tunnel till day 2, take it from a known tunneler.
If I know someone is scum, why not tunnel them?

How can you possibly know at this stage?

Aristophanes · Post Post #63 (isolation #8) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:42 pm

In post 60, kuribo wrote:So once more

for the people in the back

who are hard of hearing

so turn on your little hearing aides

IT'S A STATISTICAL FUCKING STATEMENT AND HOLY MOTHER OF GOD WHY THE HELL ARE YOU SO PARANOID

<3

UNVOTE:

Aristophanes · Post Post #66 (isolation #9) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:45 pm

Heyyy Kraska!

What makes you vote Parama?

Aristophanes · Post Post #69 (isolation #10) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:57 pm

In post 67, kraska77 wrote:"maybe it's playstyle"

Maybe it's Maybelline!

I see that, but I also have liked his posts this far.

Aristophanes · Post Post #73 (isolation #11) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:05 pm

In post 70, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: eagersnake
obvscum

In post 71, SirCakez wrote:(That was serious just in case I wasn't clear)

What makes you say "obvscum"?

ninja'd

Aristophanes · Post Post #101 (isolation #12) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:08 pm

In post 95, farside22 wrote:Voting Kubio for Lalalalalalalala purposes.

LalalalaDuck isn't in this game

Aristophanes · Post Post #103 (isolation #13) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:19 pm

In post 76, curiouskarmadog wrote:
In post 69, Aristophanes wrote:
In post 67, kraska77 wrote:"maybe it's playstyle"
Maybe it's Maybelline!

I see that, but I also have liked his posts this far.
Which ones?

I don't feel like a post breakdown is warranted at this point, but the only way I can see Parama as scum right now is if he is either partners with Eager or awkwardly whiteknighting him, and I don't think either is likely. Like, I don't see scum making the withdrawal based on his Town Isos like he did.

It's also obvious hes not trying to prove he's town, but trying to find answers, as his posts go on. This looks really good on Parama and I give townpoints for it.

I can't say I'm hot for the Farside vote, but I don't scumread him for it either as I can see the progression that got him there.

Aristophanes · Post Post #104 (isolation #14) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:21 pm

In post 102, eagerSnake wrote:Ehh... my only real benefit to town is that I'm really easy to read (alignment-wise). I'm self-aware of this, don't worry.

I can vouch for this. He was fairly conftown by action and nothing else in 09:12.

Aristophanes · Post Post #144 (isolation #15) » Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:48 am

In post 143, eagerSnake wrote:
In post 136, SnarkySnowman wrote:
In post 134, eagerSnake wrote:Can I proxy my vote to someone for D1?
Hi i'll buy
But you haven't done anything to move the game forward..

And he never will.

Aristophanes · Post Post #145 (isolation #16) » Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:12 am

In post 127, farside22 wrote:Can you explain that progression?

Once again, I don't think I need to as its all right there. However, he begins engaging you on a logic inconsistency where he feels he has been wronged. Tries to get a reasoning out of you. Fails and continues discussion. Gets to a point where he is more confident in his read on you, followed by a vote. It looks very natural. If he were scum I'd expect the vote to come far sooner and with less bantering.

Aristophanes · Post Post #189 (isolation #17) » Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:38 am

In post 185, eagerSnake wrote:But if I think you're town, and I trust your hunting abilities more than my own, giving you another vote gives the town a better chance of winning. Thus, I'm playing to my win-condition. That's not against the spirit of the game, in my opinion.

Regardless of your alignment, you should jump on this. Do you need me to vote on my own, in order to get a read on me? Or is it that do you not want the responsibility of two votes? Or do you have some moral/value that keeps you from accepting this second vote?

This is hilariously ridiculous and distracting.

To quote you, "Let's settle this now."
Eager, everyone but you has said this is a bad idea. You can sheep him if you like his votes, but Rhis will still be a choice you make and you will be responsible for it. Stop trying to pawn off that responsibility just because you hard read someone D1. You're doing the same thing you do with your scumreads: tunnel it until there is no reliability or meaning left to your read.

Aristophanes · Post Post #192 (isolation #18) » Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:45 am

In post 191, farside22 wrote:If you want the sort version.
Parama is doing what I call circle jerking.
Keeping the argument going just because.
I see nothing town there.

Circle Jerking.
I love it! XD

Aristophanes · Post Post #583 (isolation #19) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:08 am

In post 450, farside22 wrote:Imagine a very tongue in cheek person in your life and that would describe my posting style.
Sarcasm
Annoyance
Quick post with many interruption.
Fierce
All in a sense of cynicism for other.
Thinking I'm right and above all bitchy.

This sounds like a bunch of reasons I like you and have a great time playing with you here.

Also not at all like lynch bait.

(I'm reading up. Many posts appeared)

Aristophanes · Post Post #584 (isolation #20) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:09 am

I was almost in prod range? Whoops!

Inb4 being Beetlejuiced

Aristophanes · Post Post #586 (isolation #21) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:19 am

GreyICE is extremely town. This is wonderful, as my last game with him he was very hard to lynch despite our

best

efforts.

Aristophanes · Post Post #595 (isolation #22) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:44 am

In post 507, Parama wrote: wanna answer my question now?
In post 502, farside22 wrote:Hey parama: I'm still waiting for you to explain the point of these questions.
In post 400, Parama wrote:
In post 281, Parama wrote:
In post 271, Parama wrote:
In post 254, Parama wrote:
In post 245, Parama wrote:
In post 182, Parama wrote:pedit: so questions only matter now if they're alignment-indicative.
how do you define that?
where
did
you
answer
this
question

point to it.
right this instant.

But this question is useless.

Aristophanes · Post Post #597 (isolation #23) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:57 am

In post 551, eagerSnake wrote:
@everyone hard read the past 4-5 pages, it's not drivel

I did.
It's, to use a new term, "circle jerking" and I don't think anyone got anything out of it, including those involved.

Aristophanes · Post Post #622 (isolation #24) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:43 am

In post 605, eagerSnake wrote:Everyone not voting SirCakez has some explaining to do. Makes it seem like either

A) You know he's town and don't want to be implicated.

B) He's your buddy and don't think the case against him will hold up and don't want to help town.

If this were actually the case, or even partially feasible, this game would have to have a 7:6 scum:Town ratio.

Who among the non-Cakez-voters is causing you particular concern and why?

Aristophanes · Post Post #623 (isolation #25) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:44 am

In post 594, Gear wrote:
In post 586, Aristophanes wrote:GreyICE is extremely town.
Share your reasons with me, and I'll love you forever.

I shall once I'm at a proper computer. Anything but surface posting is quite laborious when on mobile.

Aristophanes · Post Post #634 (isolation #26) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:42 pm

In post 624, eagerSnake wrote:Aristophanes explain why you're not voting

Because I haven't placed a vote yet, and we're in no rush for a lynch.

In post 625, eagerSnake wrote:I'm assuming you want to no-lynch if you don't vote someone

This is such a leap in logic. You can't be serious...

In post 626, eagerSnake wrote:Pre-emptive answer: Because there's no way you could possibly have zero suspicion of everyone in the game right now and if that is the case then you are scum.

Uhh, no. I merely would like to figure things out and haven't really been active in doing so as of yet. Patience young one.

Aristophanes · Post Post #637 (isolation #27) » Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:08 pm

In post 636, eagerSnake wrote:
In post 634, Aristophanes wrote:Patience young one.
Have you read my name? Patience is a virtue; my least favorite one. We don't need to use all 14 days, that just gives scum time to squirm their way out of a lynch and their buddies can cover up their tracks. This will lead to future mislynches. I'm ready. I'm so ready.

That's fine, but it also helps us find counterwagons to said scum wagons and discern buddies. It allows for conversations in which other scum may be caught. It gives us far more info, which we can use to our benefit. Only scum hate info being out there.

I'm not saying we have to use all 14 days, but using only 4 cuts us way short.

Aristophanes · Post Post #783 (isolation #28) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:45 pm

Holy shit guys, hold up on this!

I'm a goddamned Odd Night Inventor!
I gave GreyICE a gift last night!

Now get your damned votes off of me!

Aristophanes · Post Post #790 (isolation #29) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:55 pm

Your loss guys

Aristophanes · Post Post #793 (isolation #30) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:09 pm

In post 791, Parama wrote:what are your gifts, aristo.

Doesn't fucking matter now!

Aristophanes · Post Post #802 (isolation #31) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:20 pm

In post 797, RachMarie wrote:yeah before SC closes the thread you really should finish the claim out and give your reads at least quick ones Ari

No.

You people were dumb enough to quickhammer me on a non-guilty!
You can all just suck it!

Why the hell would I help you after this!?

Aristophanes · Post Post #805 (isolation #32) » Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:26 pm

I'll be bitter about it if I damn well please thank you very much!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1797 (isolation #33) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:12 am

In post 1775, Parama wrote:also @aristo for what it's worth you single-handedly made rach blatantly obviously not mafia to me so i thank you for that
but you probably could've handled d2 twilight better if you were trying to help scum

You think so?
I was just having a bit of fun. That track on me made me sad! Lol

I was going to get myself active too, but I had no chance. I've never been carried so hard in my life, but UT did a great job of it! Sure, it was unbalanced, but it still took avoiding the SK and lynches, which he did well!

Thanks for modding and the fun flavour SC!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1798 (isolation #34) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:16 am

In post 72, GreyICE wrote:If he's not scum I'll upload a video of me eating a shoe or something

I believe this was you saying Kuribo was scum.

Bon Appétit!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1799 (isolation #35) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 3:17 am

In post 1791, kuribo wrote:All three of the scum were on that page 1 wagon on me and I will forever play with my rock-hard murdercock to the fact that I was right about that

Hahaha yeah! XD
Totally worth it!

Aristophanes · Post Post #1835 (isolation #36) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:46 pm

In post 1834, Untrod Tripod wrote:well I felt that stepping back for a little bit and letting Parama drown the thread in his farside feud was the correct play for me to make. I get that it might have made the game frustrating for you, and I'm sorry for that, but it was something I did out of strategy, not out of laziness.

If you ask me, it was the right strategy! You did well man!

I do agree that the RB was a little powerful, but the win was still earned.