Mini 1815: Game of Thrones S1E1 GAME OVER

[Gorkington]

i sure hope someone does something scummy.
it might be hard to know who to vote otherwise.
:s

[Gorkington]

that would be pretty rude.

[Gorkington]

oh hmm well.
im not sure if i should.
what if she isnt scum?

[Gorkington]

i will think on this.

[Gorkington]

vote: heartless

anti is that you in there.

[Gorkington]

No, it's TTH. :3

grrrrrr gahhh hmmm
i think you are scum even if it would have been worser if it was anti with that opening. how does that make you feel?

[Gorkington]

if you two become apathetic slobs im gonna be really annoyed.

[Gorkington]

ive seen anti try and coast off of early role-related stuff as scum.

[Gorkington]

I might be slightly more troll-ish than usual, but never apathetic. ^_^

for real though. every game ive been in with an early-revealed ic, the ic does nothing because theres no more pressure on them. dont be useless please.

By the first episode, Bran was well known for being a trickster, adventuring through climbing trees and such. He is no innocent child.

hohohahahehehehohohahahahehehe.

[Gorkington]

vote: cakez

lets dance funny guy.

[Gorkington]

no because what if i lose that might be bad.

[Gorkington]

Ya that would be bad I don't want to lynch you....yet

bummer that you might actually be scum this game

[Gorkington]

your tone so far says otherwise.

[Gorkington]

i want to eat cakez.
random can be townpile for now.

[Gorkington]

also i kind of doubt that ill be voting fa this cycle short of a PoE pile that pushes her into scum.
and given this playerlist i kind of find that unlikely.

[Gorkington]

trying to get fa to calm down.
and poking at me is dangerous, especially when it isnt a jokepoke.

[Gorkington]

i feel no bads.
im gonna eat you and your icing too you tonally scummy guy.

[Gorkington]

i dont want to think about it right now and i dont find the pressure on her useful right now.

[Gorkington]

i hope this game doesnt get too filled with rhetoric.

[Gorkington]

Square World prob FA's buddy

so you have three person scumteam figured out?

[Gorkington]

I'm not tunneled on you, BBT is also a suspect for me ATM

so bbt is an independent scumread or hwaht?

[Gorkington]

i personally think bbt's opening is pretty par for the course for him in terms of openings.

[Gorkington]

Cakez is town I think

nuh-uh.

[Gorkington]

how articulate.

[Gorkington]

Gorky do you scumread me for anything besides "tone"?

yup!

[Gorkington]

im so coy ohohoho. isnt it frustrating.

[Gorkington]

can you tell me too. alts are stupid.

[Gorkington]

also kuroi is pretty confirmably lynchbaity.

[Gorkington]

fa you should calm down please.

[Gorkington]

FA. i will unvote cakez if you make another post posturing about how hes confirmed scum.

[Gorkington]

I'm a really uncomfortable peace of shit to play with you knew that?

youre not being a piece of shit. youre just getting overly worked up over not very much at all and its going to clutter the thread if you dont stop? if youre scum please dont. if youre town then please take a step back and re-evaluate how hard youre scumreading him because im sitting here thinking a few things about his play are iffy, but not enough for me to want to quantifiably death tunnel him or shout him down at every turn and i think you doing that is kind of silly at this junction of the game!

[Gorkington]

except that FA tends to overreact to pressure as town? what even is your point?

[Gorkington]

If you were town I doubt you would have made such a fuss over the votes essentially

what experience do you have with fa that this is your impression of her.

[Gorkington]

I've seen her towngame b4 in a lot of games (bloodborne,

song of ice and fire upick

, sage frontier, etc)

if this is elyse's game youre referencing then youre out to lunch.

[Gorkington]

why is your wisdom read so terrible kuroi.
:s

[Gorkington]

he really doesnt.
wisdom giving naked reads is like.. so unbelievably standard for him q.q

[Gorkington]

well thats transparent of you.

p-edit: so what im gathering from you is that you dont read wisdom's posts.

[Gorkington]

The RVS wagon that caused chaos in that game was on Silverwolf iirc, not FA

recalled incorrectly.
FA was absurdly prickly in response to pressure in ASOIAF.
read again the RVS again.
push as reasoning for FAscum at your peril.

[Gorkington]

See. Now you're not paying attention.

:V
is it frustrating that you dont influence people in games?
its stuff like this that holds you back.

[Gorkington]

is cake the spiffeh of this game Wis?

[Gorkington]

as long as the dialogue is there, im a happy camper.
i'll either try to look at shaddow while im being a bad employee today or tonight.

[Gorkington]

nope.

[Gorkington]

nah.

[Gorkington]

mmm.
no thanks.

bbt can have some time to catch up.
and i dont want him distracted by dumb things like a wall of you calling his posts bad.

[Gorkington]

:'D

[Gorkington]

is dwlee this pfffffffft as town/scum?

[Gorkington]

someone's reads fluctuating is not a reliable scumtell.

[Gorkington]

not exactly going to convince someone with that argument.

[Gorkington]

okay i will. just ease up on the frantic "cakez must dieeeee" rhetoric if you cant make a case thats going to actually engage people on a reasonable level.

[Gorkington]

no they aren't

lol.

[Gorkington]

why haven't you voted bbt yet

[Gorkington]

yes no problem thank you for contributing muchly to the game while also demanding things has been a very reasonable interaction yes thank you very.

[Gorkington]

vote: shaddow

[Gorkington]

Just read through their iso and I see zero things wrong with their posting.

okay, so i want you to open up shaddow's iso and quote all of the things hes said so far.
following so far?
okay.
next i want you to type in the word "bad" underneath all of his posts.
okay so read all of that. and i think maybe, just maybe, youll find yourself convinced that shaddow is scum.

[Gorkington]

hi bbt. i will support you doing whatever you do. just skim some people and give some reads.

[Gorkington]

yeah true.
except hes saying that it feels like shaddow is trying too hard.
which is pretty different.

being indignant is really silly if youre not even trying to parse what hes saying.

[Gorkington]

im probably never going to vote for bbt.
i dont support unwarranted ego.

[Gorkington]

especially since the words "TRY" and "TOO HARD" are literally in the post you quoted.
stop posting without using your brain please.

[Gorkington]

if i didnt like you i wouldnt give you the space to try and catch up

[Gorkington]

except that isnt his reasoning.
youre just not reading into the context at all.
and you being so whiny about it while also being completely wrong is really annoying.

[Gorkington]

nothing.
hes just being semantic.

[Gorkington]

heartless
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gorkington
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random
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wisdom
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dwlee99, thirdwheel, bbt, square world, fa, kuroi
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mhsmith, sircakez, shaddow

[Gorkington]

feels good.

[Gorkington]

"hi my name is random and i, as scum, am gonna poke hiplop in the face on entry for reasoning that is kind of silly despite me having an okay set of reads anyway"

[Gorkington]

sure he could. i dont think its as likely though.
ive also liked other things hes done that im too lazy to pull up right now.

[Gorkington]

thats just an embarassing set of conclusions. :/

p-edit: lol seriously hip. do you really want to dance with me this early?

[Gorkington]

in that golden "3rd from town' null spot. Juicy juicy spot

in that golden spot that comes underneath myself and the confirmed town.
yeah.
true.
:/

[Gorkington]

rando thoughts on Gorky's townread on you

so youre just gonna stop engaging me to call me scum for a read that ive had for a long time? serious question hip, have you ever read me correctly even once earlygame?

[Gorkington]

Might be a little strong, I haven't played with him before so I can't judge too much. It doesn't seem scum driven.

im cheet btw.

[Gorkington]

now that you cant talk back im gonna talk shit. hiplop is suck. he is jerk. he is bad. rararara.

[Gorkington]

i think ive become a little more accustomed with your rhetoric.
theres also other things guiding my shaddow vote than your reasoning though.

[Gorkington]

why are you testing the waters? if you want to vote me, vote me. dont posture around and hide behind wisdom's approval.

[Gorkington]

i know who im voting when this shaddow wagon fizzles out.

[Gorkington]

probably should have waited to mention it. woops.

i dont think youll disapprove though.

[Gorkington]

its not as though i can avoid quantifying eventually. dont be so impatient.

[Gorkington]

this doesnt feel like a wagon that goes to lynch.

[Gorkington]

Then what are you doing on it?

trying really hard to pretend to scumhunt obv. zzzzz.
when i actually start trying are people going to apologize for being bad at reading me?
because my obvtown game is still just around the corner and as soon as i start pushing a case youre going to realize im town and feel silly.

[Gorkington]

like, wisdom, have i ever tried to push a wagon to lynch in the first seven days of a cycle short of being extremely confident about a read? [and even then, really]

[Gorkington]

i like playing close to the chest earlygame. if it doesnt make sense now it probably will later when i lay my hand down? im obviously not going to pretend like i dont have something i can substantiate here if im scum.

[Gorkington]

meh.

vote: mhsmith

im probably not gonna be posting much during the day anymore.
got in trouble for being a bad employee

[Gorkington]

1) I missed the PoE post when first questioning him - even if I hadn't though I don't think my original question was awful
2) the PoE post was still unexplained and worth questioning
3) "you don't know where it came from" kinda answers why I'm questioning it

this?

[Gorkington]

boo you.

[Gorkington]

why are you asking people for reasoning on their read on me while you havent interacted with me and havent given a stance on me?

[Gorkington]

i dont think i would half-ass distancing if i was scum with shaddow but whatevs.

I didn't like your rvs

talk about this more.

[Gorkington]

do you read them as literal.

[Gorkington]

so, its not awkward, its not productive?

[Gorkington]

so, its not awkward, its not productive?

It was awkward. "Messing around" type posts, but the tone of it seemed off. I'm probably bad at explaining this, but it seemed like those posts were "look at how relaxed I am" as opposed to posts that actually WERE relaxed.

i wrote them to be intentionally awkward.
because i find it amusing.

17 was another awkward one (this one read as serious). You'll "think on" if FA was scum? What's there to think on in a page 1 rvs wagon?

was also not a serious post.

[Gorkington]

now i guess all i want is why you wouldnt talk about these things until i prodded it out of you.

[Gorkington]

Ewwwww.

Really Gork?

what if i'd rephrased itd be better?
read the actual fucking game bbt.
im trying to do something while you sit here and promise catch-ups and make lame potshots.

[Gorkington]

yeah pretty sure mhsmith is town

sure.
your read on me is still shit though.

[Gorkington]

i buddy as town.
like.
confirmably so.

im weird because im getting into the game.
if you want to get in the way of that, be my guest.
but when my head is in the game and i have a nice PoE, your read on me better get more justified than this.

[Gorkington]

especially since the words "TRY" and "TOO HARD" are literally in the post you quoted.
stop posting without using your brain please.

Gork I find it slightly worrying that you're defending my actions
Usually you'd doubt me like dwlee is doing

theres also a part of me that feels like it shouldnt be hard for you at all to piece together some context here for this from stuff thats happened before this game.

[Gorkington]

i dont like how ive treated you for your rhetoric in the past?
i realized its more playstyle than literal arrogance which is what always got me so riled up.

though, i also kind of feel like its clear im more pissed off at dwlee for playing badly than trying to defend your read?

i dont know.

i just feel like even if im not obvtowning yet, [though really i was starting to work towards actually trying to sort people before you and bbt started pissing me off >.>]: im at least not scummy so far in a way that isnt just people misunderstanding something about what ive been doing.

[Gorkington]

cause you made a distracting bad potshot post instead of actually playing.
yes.

[Gorkington]

like seriously. this playerlist is becoming really frustrating. which is fucking super disappointing because it looked good from the outside. if this is going to be the standard of play for the game, then lynch me sooner rather than later please.

[Gorkington]

thanks
looking forward to my typical spiteful shit postgame.

[Gorkington]

asking him to elaborate on something is not a bad post. coming in and doing nothing but shitting all over me for trying to sort someone is a bad post. are you having fun with this exchange? i sure am.

[Gorkington]

because you think awkward phrasing is alignment indicative? which youve been demonstrably bad at reading me with in the past?

[Gorkington]

or is it because im asking a "useless question" because man thats fun when people push that on me.

[Gorkington]

except i was townreading him when asking that question and just wanted to read into his thought process to reconfirm what i was already suspecting [which is that he was actually town here?]

[Gorkington]

next you should follow up with a gotcha about how im still voting him while apparently townreading him. -.- [READ THE GAME]

[Gorkington]

Gotcha.

So why the hell are you voting him when you're town reading him?

because i dont feel like voting someone else.

VLA until Sunday

[Gorkington]

i feel like a replacement right now.
:/

[Gorkington]

vote: kuroi

sure.

[Gorkington]

i dont doubt its beyond his capability as scum.
im not particularly familiar with his evil-side.

[Gorkington]

durr.
words are hard.
i meant that its something that he/most people are probably capable of faking as scum.

[Gorkington]

his unvote is a showy post.
which isnt a big deal.
but how showy it is gives it potential to be fake.

[Gorkington]

in application its kind of similar though.

i should stop being lazy and actually compile thoughts on him.

[Gorkington]

we should condense our reads on random tomorrow.
for now, im gonna hit my face against the wall until im sleeping.

[Gorkington]

i kind of think wisdom might be scum :/

[Gorkington]

i mean, am scared to push you.
doesnt mean i dont feel like your last three pushes havent left a bad taste in my mouth.

[Gorkington]

like, i seriously dont get the dwlee push on your end.
especially since the conclusion of our interaction really felt like you werent townreading me.
for you to go "dwlee is being opportunistic with how hes interacting with gork" just feels gross.
especially since that reasoning is really ham in the first place.
where bbt's reasoning felt like it was kind of grounded, it felt like you were just kind of trying to get off of pushing me because it was starting to look bad.

[Gorkington]

youre also acting like im the one whos building things up when youve repeatedly been establishing scummy things and then coming back to them later?
both your read on me and your read on random just really feel.. weirdly intentional.
"hey see this scummy thing you did that i pointed out before so i could bring it up now, yeah now ur toast bud".
it just feels like youre trying to expand your options.
i really really easily see this being your scumplay.
:/

[Gorkington]

i need a better poe pile so i can feel good about lynching wisdom.

people who arent bbt and smith can start being more town now okay?

[Gorkington]

thanks for clarifying everything im worried about with a handwave.
feeling much better now.

[Gorkington]

hey wisdom.
you cant say "wisdom does this as scum"

ohohohohohohohohohohohohohioh

[Gorkington]

ooooooooohooooooooooooooo heheheheheh hahaha.
get it because sometimes the way you defend yourself is really fucking dumb.

[Gorkington]

honestly, i dont think im going to want to lynch wisdom today.

but man.
please lynch him before endgame if hes kicking around.

[Gorkington]

metadive on kuroi looks okay.
his scumgame seems longwinded and more awkward.
towngame has bad reasoning all over it.

vote: frozen

[Gorkington]

yeah random is still town.
re-ISOdive and looking at quotes heartless pulled has changed nothing there.

[Gorkington]

nothing.
why is that the first post youve made in two days?

[Gorkington]

i never had a townread on you.

p-edit: you would get lynched over random here. lol.

[Gorkington]

youre so boring when you do this.

what even is your random vote.
its so bad.
:/

do something actually not terrible.

[Gorkington]

how is it even WKing if he was just trying to argue it wasnt AI?
:/

[Gorkington]

So all of a sudden Dwlee is town?

and i was also conveniently town when he was pushing dwlee.
but convenience means wisdom is town because he would never do that as scum.
dont think too hard about it random.

[Gorkington]

so him being argumentative with you when youre being stubborn means hes scum because only scum argues with you about your reasoning on things?

[Gorkington]

and im implying that a lot of that engage with you was more based in frustration with the way you were engaging than him defending dwlee.

[Gorkington]

i voted you because of your activity level while having activity elsewhere on the site.

[Gorkington]

have you played with scum hiplop before.

[Gorkington]

you seemed like you were coasting off after being let off for flailing around earlygame.

[Gorkington]

OMG IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.
that must mean im scum.
come get me.

[Gorkington]

your reads were also incredibly static before now.

holding up one read as scum over and over and over and calling everything that theyre doing scummy is easy.

im also amused that apparently omgus is scummy according to you.

[Gorkington]

if not you need to unvote me

why.

[Gorkington]

where did i say i was townreading you?

[Gorkington]

bbt can you talk more about your read on shaddow please?

[Gorkington]

if not why you never engaged with me?

you were making enough noise at the start of the game and were so focused on CAKE DIE CAKE DIE CAKE DIE that most interactions you were making were unreadable and it wasnt worth making more unreadable noise.

p-edit: i can talk about whatever i want.
im not bound to talk about you just because youre throwing a hissy fit over every vote that gets tossed on you.

[Gorkington]

why do i want to spend my effort this game just being a dick instead of trying to parse it.
can people stop making me want to do that.

[Gorkington]

i should stop playing mafia and i handle pressure like.. maybe half as poorly as you do.

if you cant take a single vote on you and a little bit of questioning, you should stop playing the game.

[Gorkington]

nah you can fuck off.

you always fucking do this and always come back and apologize later for being so bad to people.

just stop playing please.
or at least dont play in games with me.

[Gorkington]

if this wasnt a constant thing with you in every game ive ever seen you in, i wouldnt say anything.
but it is.

[Gorkington]

like get it into your fucking head that people are trying to figure out the game.
and sometimes theyre going to want to try and figure you out and often times thats going to involve them voting you or asking you questions.
you throwing a fucking massive distracting hissy fit all the fucking time when it happens is absurdly anti town, distracting, unfun and awful.

[Gorkington]

brb canceling pre-ins.

[Gorkington]

why do i people apparently like playing mafia with me.
i dont get it.

[Gorkington]

i dont think youre a bitch.
i just dont have fun playing mafia with you.

im sure there are people who feel similarly about playing with me.

[Gorkington]

and i mean my frustration is clearly my problem here, not yours.

[Gorkington]

being bad at handling pressure in a mafia game isnt an end-all-be-all thing.

[Gorkington]

vote: cakez

i like this one best.

[Gorkington]

i skimmed fa's iso in steven universe btw. the replace out there was way less convincingly angry than here.
this read a lot more like the last game of thrones.

beeboy is probably town.
bbt is still probably town.

[Gorkington]

also happy birthday cakez.

[Gorkington]

a lot of cake posts on the last few pages feel more like hes going through the motions.
especially a lot of the questions.

i dont feel like theres weight behind them.

[Gorkington]

square world feels like a crapshoot vote to me.
shaddow feels like he could be scum.

[Gorkington]

Shaddow is fairly likely to be town here.

I'n not quite getting the SC read though.

i) where are you getting the shaddow townvibes from.
ii) read cake's iso on the last few pages and tell me that his posts feel like theyre just there and not really doing much?
the strongest thing that stood out to me was him defending beeboy's softclaim which is pretty damn easy for scum to sit on.

[Gorkington]

>:(

[Gorkington]

whats your beef with square world.
hit me in the face with it.

[Gorkington]

turn that frown upside down

p-edit: no but sure.
talk at me about square world.

[Gorkington]

why is that post stirring the pot?
be specific.
dumb it down to the lowest level possible and tell me why him, as scum, is asking that for the sake of degenerating gamestate.

[Gorkington]

how is it causing drama.

[Gorkington]

okay lets play a game.
its called.
why does that cause more screaming.
unless youre taking that as him asking it in a rhetorical mocking manner.
because i didnt.

[Gorkington]

so, you think that scum would think thats a viable way to stir the pot?

[Gorkington]

one of cake and square world is probably scum.

[Gorkington]

Who gets curious in the middle of a screaming fest if someone in it is pregnant?

*post before it*
"i am dealing with pregnancy mood swings"
"are you pregnant?"

i dont think its an unreasonable jump of a question at all if hed missed that context beforehand.
i certainly cant imagine any scum ever thinking thats some kind of viable strategy for derailing the game.

if hes scum, it was an empty comment.
if hes town, it was either a question to gain context or an empty comment.

i seriously dont understand how you can believe your stance right now and you hunkering down behind it so strongly is wonky.

[Gorkington]

i wish we could lynch both of them.

[Gorkington]

if you don't get it now you're not going to ever probably

yeah because just saying i dont get it is going to assuage me here real good.
:/

[Gorkington]

why are you positing the plausibility of a scenario that you dont think is likely here?

[Gorkington]

i mean all youve done the last 5+ pages is jump on the biggest wagon possible.
@SW.

[Gorkington]

like, you cant possibly be so confident in the point when so many people are making it clear that its a bad point.
i feel townCake re-evaluates here.
you being indignant and self-assured just reads like desperate scum afraid to backtrack.

[Gorkington]

you get a metadive and a cool-off.
and if i still feel like youre scum then ur toast dude.

[Gorkington]

yeah.
its a fine surface level casual wagon point.

but when holes are poked in it, everyone else re-evaluated their confidence in it.
and your confidence only got stronger?
youre not even really engaging me on any level, youre just telling me im wrong and not giving any further detail.
i feel like you have nothing to stand behind on this square world vote [and you really easily could].
i feel like youre defending the POINT more than trying to figure anything out here.

[Gorkington]

example of towngame.
and please give apparent confidence level that hes never skimmy in his towngame.

[Gorkington]

and please give apparent confidence level that hes never skimmy in his towngame.

[Gorkington]

okay so, i agree that square is probably creature for reason you gave.

need more time to parse these two games.
you have to know that if i dont see the apparent scumgame difference in his play and if your play this game looks like any scumgame that i find on metadive, im going to see you dead.
youre okay with this, yes?

p-edit: right.

[Gorkington]

is it really so bad to want to play mafia at a reasonable level of discourse?

[Gorkington]

i might read more.
theyre both players who could be scum.
getting a gist of how their scumgame and their towngame differs could be pretty useful.

[Gorkington]

thanks.

[Gorkington]

[Gorkington]

its not happening tonight.
i only have so much attention span.

[Gorkington]

you want some of my site-renowned snark?

[Gorkington]

Your snark is scary

yeah.
trying to work on it.

[Gorkington]

im gonna follow my heart for now.

vote: square world

[Gorkington]

claim feels like scum trolling.
if it isnt, claiming your reads instead of your roles was fucking bad.

[Gorkington]

probably scum trolling.

[Gorkington]

right.

[Gorkington]

yeah im spamming the thread so hard. :/

[Gorkington]

i am not neapolitan

shocking.

[Gorkington]

please flip scum.

[Gorkington]

yeah i definitely said that. :v :v :v

[Gorkington]

I hate this game. Can people who are town play like town pls

hahahahaha.

[Gorkington]

fa saying she was confirmable off of that role was bad.

p-edit: is wisdom town hippy.

[Gorkington]

hi.

[Gorkington]

Because why not

are your reads just hodge podge right now or what?

[Gorkington]

do you think i should i be townreading you.

[Gorkington]

Alright, that makes me happy.

You'll come around TTH

hi bbt.
can you give some reads or thoughts or something?

its gonna be hard for me to hold onto a townlean on you if you dont have posts containing those things.

@wisdom

, can you tell me what your read on dwlee is?

@dwlee

, can you tell me what your read on wisdom is?

bonus points for more then four word responses.

[Gorkington]

i dont think anyone protected anyone in the first episode.
but hey.
yeah.
youre right.
pretty obviously gonna be some direwolves protecting people given that they were barely in the first episode and werent fully grown :'D

[Gorkington]

Shaddow is fairly likely to be town here.

I'n not quite getting the SC read though.

I just haven't seen anything from him that has set off flags for me. I quite like his posting.

I guess I can see where you're coming from with SC but I'm not sure it's because he is scum.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Kuroi

after Square flips scum we're taking a pitchfork to everyone on the Kuroi counterwagon (except Heartless obviously).

And me.

Obviously.

Oh, I see.

How could I go about doing that?

where in here is the terrible reaction to the end of day wagons?

[Gorkington]

Mafia episodes don't necessarily match actual episodes (says so in first post)

his point is still bad and im annoyed at the "ohoho im so smart look at how smart i am" tone hes using.
-.-

[Gorkington]

the only thing that pings slightly at the possibility of a kuroi/bbt team is that kuroi didnt react to bbt voting him until after everyone made a big deal of it and there isnt any kind of definitive stance there.

i dont really know if im super into the idea of hunting for teams at this point though.

if im gonna get to a point where im voting kuroi/bbt i would like someone to hold my hand and explain to me like im two why both of them are individually scum.
like.
with a chart/graph/reasoning that i can actually digest please.

[Gorkington]

yeah no seriously, the "confirmable claim" thing was risky as hell.

[Gorkington]

hi thirdwheelheadwhoiampretendingtonotknowtheidentityof.
can you please hit me in the face with why bbt is scum?

[Gorkington]

gork you aren't this stupid

vote bbt scrubbo

im bad at softclaims q.q

[Gorkington]

i will feel marginally better about my reads this game if dwlee is scum q.q