Mini 1766: SCP Foundation Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Raskolnikov]

I mean at this point I'd lynch almost anyone out of 7h deadline nolynch avoidance and self-preservation combined

[Raskolnikov]

Shouldn't you be able to read me at all though? How have we had this exchange and you still think I'm scum?

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If you vote klingon I'll 100% hammer fyi

[Raskolnikov]

Because I feel like its a wasted vote unless I'm the one to hammer.
I can see a scenario in which we vote shos and the day ends with him at l-2 or l-1 right now

but with the others we can still push a lynch through

[Raskolnikov]

Are you actually 100% sure he's scum even if I'm town?

[Raskolnikov]

Also you shouldn't be upset with me here, I've literally put the second most energy towards his lynch today and I'm trying to be as flexible as I can here, trying to avoid nolynch and hearing out everything if people care to explain themselves. I wish you would work with me but I feel like if you're going to vote me and be angry I'm not left with very many options at this point.

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: shos L-3
we would need to be lucky to get the other two votes tho

[Raskolnikov]

Alright so. In case I die.

If klingon flips scum I'm going to roleblock ARS.

If klingon flips town disregard the above as following it would result in scum using the other person to kill so it doesn't clear or mean anything. Maybe I'll get lucky though, will probably die otherwise.

[Raskolnikov]

what if town in that group doesn't visit
and then scum lynch them with you next day
and the game is over

[Raskolnikov]

klingons probably not going to flip something like that unless shos is actually her partner (because shos is what verifies her role).

anyways, gonna hammer in a few minutes

[Raskolnikov]

But yeah, if shos is scum you should blame all the people who never voted him at any point
whichever one or both of klingon/flub that's town also kind of dream man though he'd probably be partner anyways

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: klingon

[Raskolnikov]

I roleblocked dream man.
I thought if we was scum there was no way he'd expect to be roleblocked twice in a row so he'd do the kill.
Scum killing him instead of me indicates they intend to frame me today.

[Raskolnikov]

I'll think things through later today, but it should be pretty easy because I only need to rule out 1 partner association in ars/shos/flub and then I'll have two teams with one person shared in each who'll be confscum

[Raskolnikov]

probably going to vote shos though after what happened yesterday

[Raskolnikov]

For the record, because I don't think ARS vs Shos fight on day 2 was SvS, whichever one is scum has flub as partner. So shos scum would be scum with flub.
I have to revisit that interaction but I'm pretty sure.

[Raskolnikov]

False, flub. My RB claim was conditional.

If klingon flips scum I'm going to roleblock ARS.

If klingon flips town disregard the above as following it would result in scum using the other person to kill so it doesn't clear or mean anything. Maybe I'll get lucky though, will probably die otherwise.

[Raskolnikov]

Flub
a) who did you target last night
b) did you receive sho's message

ARS
a) who did you target last night and what was your result

[Raskolnikov]

You didn't seem concerned about that until today

[Raskolnikov]

FA, we don't actually have confirmation of flub's role, and shos is probably 1 shot with his fruit vendor, with other abilities in there. At this point I think it's more likely than ARS having been ninja or something like that.
I'm pretty confident its flub-shos right now though if you think there's only one scum in that group we can lynch that person and get what we both want.

I'll explain something I noticed when everyone's finishing outing actions.

[Raskolnikov]

The force replace sucks though

[Raskolnikov]

ARS if ninja town would have claimed that already.

I don't like the way your trying to defend him.

-1 points for you

I have my reasoning but I shouldn't explain it until everyone outs actions.

[Raskolnikov]

Okay, so only me and flub claim to visit dream man, yet his thing said he was visited by three people.

Either
a) one of shos/ARS is lying
b) this is similar fuckery as what happened yesterday when me and ARS visited dream man but only 1 visit registered. Basically bus driver (would also explain ARS duplicate result).

Leaning towards shos/flub scum because of how yesterday went down, especially with flubber not hammering shos when he could have (yet not really defending him either).
ARS ability is actually confirmed from his work on shos and dream, whereas flubber's role isn't confirmed at all and shos I still think is 1 shot who's getting flubber to vouch for him right now.
Between the two of flub/shos I expect at least one if not both have scum other/extra abilities. b) is good for ARS because his abilities are already proven so he can't be a weird scum role.

Also supporting the second option is that this is the second time this thing happened with dream man visits.

[Raskolnikov]

Maybe flub redirected ARS to visit dream man, counting as a visit from both of them? ARS received the same result that she did the night previous.

[Raskolnikov]

2 ) A busdriver doesn't fit at all. ARS claim for visiting by a material cop/semi flavor cop is confirmed which makes Raskol claim to visit dream man a lie

basically with no other claim for visit its obviously Rask/Flub / the killer visits and with the answer dav said none of them are clear about killing him.

Scum had to have messed with me that night. With kelbris JOAT flip I can easily see one of the last two having something like 1-shot roleblock, especially with flub's role being unconfirmed.
ARS I also don't think was lying there either because to get his correct result he would have had to visit, and also nobody visited dream night 1 so scum couldn't have known his role ahead of time or though other means.
At this point with klingon's flip though I guess if ARS is scum he could've been investigation-immune as another explanation but shos/flub still makes more sense because of flub's refusal to either hammer shos or defend him (usually people do one or the other but he just disappeared). ARS's active role is pretty much verified too, as in he's not JOAT, and I doubt scum would have something that weak so the solution to that is he's town (likely) or he has some passive power. But, if he's investigation immune then shos was the person who visited dream last night meaning and lied, so it would be ARS/shos which from their hard 1v1 day 2 I still don't see.

The only thing that's still weird is how klingon would have had any value with shos scum. I'm trying to think of scenarios in which she could get any use out of it if that's the case but I can't. I guess there's the really small potential to catch him in a lie if you investigate his partner, he says inno and you lynch anyways (getting the partner and shos at the same time) but odds are you aren't going to lynch the 'inno' anyways so that's incredibly unlikely.

[Raskolnikov]

Actually. Shos claimed to have visited this game

Night 1 - EE (flubber's slot)
Night 2 - Mafia kill target
Night 3 - Flubbernugget again (but flubber should know his slot already got visited)

If shos is scum with flubber we actually have 0 proof of his role.
But I don't think he's lying about it; he would've been screwed claiming that if we agreed to force him to target a town. So he's at least 1-shot.

Looking back I forgot about the ee/shos interaction and how it was really genuine. There's pretty much 0 chance of them being scum together who literally came up with a role and revealed it like that, it would be far too creative and out-of-the-box. Key result of all of this is I don't think it's shos/flubber anymore.
Which for me leaves shos/ars and flub/ars in which I'd lynch ARS as the common factor. The other positive is ARS flipping investigation immune would also more-or-less clear me.
Okay I know you guys can't POE this as I can from my pov (especially FA), but you can at least agree that flub/shos is ruled out from the ee/shos interaction day 2 right?

[Raskolnikov]

I actually thought the same thing back in early day 2 but forgot.
But yeah, probably.

[Raskolnikov]

Dream man was metal as he was a "puppy machine" (SCP 1459). Flubb's is a little more strange because he claims light-bulb (SCP 2383) which has metal in it but you'd expect a result like glass instead.

[Raskolnikov]

Shos, do you think ARS if scum flavour cop would get something like an investigation immune or ninja passive to boost his power? Because flavour cop by itself for scum seems weak.

Flavour cop + role cop scum duo does sound like a sick tag-team though. I do want to believe its ARS/flub because it would mean I was right all the way back in early day 2.

[Raskolnikov]

why is it so unbelievable for them to have forged that reaction? Shos isn't a new player.

Because it would be more than the reaction, it would also mean planning to come up with that ability. I really think it's too creative thinking to comprehensively come up with that role and introduce it in a really natural way.

you just said you don't see me and shos as partners, then you discard that and put me/shos as one of the possibilities to defend your poe lynch suggestion. and you even seem to be townreading me, plus you've outlined how my active is confirmed and that you don't think its likely that I have a strong passive. it all seems fake, like you're looking for a way to softly push for my lynch.

There is a difference.
First when I say I don't think it's ARS/shos because of the hard 1v1 that isn't is a 100% association ruled out, but it means I think it's very unlikely. Hard bussing that way is not unheard of, though it would have had to be done well.
About this interaction though I do actually feel comfortable 100% ruling out flub/shos because the evidence is more convincing. Basically I'm saying ARS/shos hard bussing day 2 is hard to believe but not impossible, but I think flub/shos coming up with that role and outing it in that way that felt genuine is pretty much much impossible imo.

Also these aren't mutually exclusive! When you take away ars/shos and flub/shos you are left with ARS/flub. Don't make it out like I'm contradicting myself; also I did have to re-read and think back to remember the ee-shos interaction in the first place so yeah I wasn't thinking about it until I saw it again. And though I've changed my reads on you/shos at some points I've been scumreading you for most of this game starting day 1.

[Raskolnikov]

Do you really think shos fruit vendor would've visited his partner twice and the kill target once, especially when having his role confirmed would help him?

[Raskolnikov]

Are you actually trying to figure this game out?

[Raskolnikov]

ARS/flub

[Raskolnikov]

While simultaneously casting shade on me for me ruling it out.

[Raskolnikov]

I stand by that, though. Scum shos has no reason to get his partner to confirm his role in that complicated way when he could just visit someone town and get them to vouch.

[Raskolnikov]

ARS

1. If shos was scum with flubber, rather than actually visiting his partner twice and kill target once it's safe to say he'd actually be lying about the role instead.
2. But I don't think shos/flubber could/would come up with a role like that and manage to introduce it in a natural way. Furthermore lying about being FV is unlikely in general because we could have earlier forced him to visit someone to try to prove it.
3. Therefore, I think he is FV and I don't think he could be scum with flubber because the alternatives are ridiculous.

@All your other stuff. Town actually had a town of power this game even though we wasted most of it. Got 0 use out of the lightning rod and cop for example (because shos town makes cop work). So against that powerful town I definitely can see a strong scumteam like what I'm saying.

[Raskolnikov]

Shos, we had a vigilante (confirmed on flip) that claimed the snarky kill. Scum killed Alchemist n1.

I'm also pretty sure SK would have killed at least one other night, especially last night because if they got a scum they could lynch anyone and then win.
I don't think it's really worth considering sk because we've already lost if it exists, and I think scum investigating RC night 1 is very likely from my experience with him and that hydra being pgo makes a lot of sense.

Scum should also know if E+A is pgo or not because they should know if kelbris targeted E+A (which means PGO) or someone else. But if E+A were SK instead of pgo I assume scum would have killed them or otherwise tried to frame them with results. But yeah, it's not worth looking at because the game would already be over then.

[Raskolnikov]

preview: Rask I'm saying your proposed scumteam is weak as hell! all of kelbris's abilities sucked! and his partners, against all that town power, were a possibly investigative immune flavour cop and a rolecop?

Yeah, but fruit vendor in the scumteam is even weaker. And without shos it's just you and flub left!
So you're not really going to convince me with that, though maybe when FA comes by you can talk to her.

[Raskolnikov]

FA please. I'm almost entirely certain it's ARS/flub and you'd be losing the game with that vote.

[Raskolnikov]

I thought RC was right as well, when he said shos/dream man.
But dream man flipping town means he only had me/shos and I know that's wrong so he was wrong.

[Raskolnikov]

Frozen Angel, from my perspective I have literally nothing I can do to stop you from throwing the game right now

[Raskolnikov]

Intent to vote: A Real Scourge

[Raskolnikov]

Well, it's not intentional.

[Raskolnikov]

When I'm playing dota people still say throw when it's unintentional, and it's not really a criticism because we all make mistakes.

Just about a week ago I lost a lylo as a conftown because I chose the wrong vote and I'll admit I screwed up big time there.

[Raskolnikov]

who are you warning your intent to? this isn't where you wait for a claim. is someone gonna stop you and say nooo, don't lynch? are you waiting for me to claim my doctor ability?

I don't know what she's saying.

[Raskolnikov]

I meant I don't know what ARS is saying there

[Raskolnikov]

FA isn't SK because if she was SK she would be going after scum instead of us.
SK lynching town pretty much loses.

I'm confident she's PGO anyways and I wish you two would stop fighting each other :/

[Raskolnikov]

Shos is town but convinced fa is SK and he's doing weird stuff trying to appeal to scum to fight her and not looking good to fa at all
FA is town but convinced its me/shos, if she thought it was ars/shos or flub/shos she could've at least been reasoned with to lynch the scum (ars or flub) but as is I really doubt she'll ever change her mind

Usually it's just 1 town suspecting the other but if both of them are like this it's already a lost cause.

I'll be back when FA posted her case but idk if it's worth trying at this point

[Raskolnikov]

FA, if you're town in lylo that's like 100% lost what do you do?

[Raskolnikov]

I mean the only positive at all from this situation is that maybe if we're in lylo together again you'll trust me a little more next time

[Raskolnikov]

Although technically losing here to a shos mislynch isn't the most embarrassing way I could lose this game

The worst would be if I changed your mind and we lynched ARS/flub and it turned out shos was actually scum all along and I'd then be like 100% responsible for the loss and everyone would hate me...

[Raskolnikov]

I did target dream man and I still don't know what happened.
I guess I'll find out after the game though!

[Raskolnikov]

If you think it's me/shos then vote him instead because at least there's like 5-10% chance it's actually shos/ARS and that chance of winning is better than 0.

I really want to find out what actually happened in night 2 as well because it really is deciding the game :/

[Raskolnikov]

Although if you're never going to believe me then please hurry up, vote and end it
I don't see any hope and I'm getting tired of this..

[Raskolnikov]

Like I've already done what all I could this game.
Technically my roleblocks could have been better but I still think klingon was scummy af and dream man I'll have to see what happened later.
Tried my best day 1 to get kelbris and ee lynched but in the end everyone refused to vote anyone but iraon
Day 2 I legitimately could've stopped jmo lynch so that was an actual mistake, I shouldn't have sheeped your hydra onto that but you seemed so convinced.
Day 3 I guess we could have lynched shos over klingon but at this point I think that would have flipped town anyways, and klingon alive would have insta voted you (as "sk") and we would have lost anyways.

good game, well played by scum.

[Raskolnikov]

Hello darkness my old friend...

[Raskolnikov]

gg
wp by scum

[Raskolnikov]

No hard feelings FA
I wasn't actually upset just trying all I could to convince you
hard to use reason to engage with you if you don't post your case :/

[Raskolnikov]

well I guess theoretically that hydra could have killed kelbris night 1 as a next level bussing manuever but I doubt that

[Raskolnikov]

I'll be pretty sad if its shos/flub after all and I misread that interaction
won't mind being wrong on shos if he was with ars though
still assuming it was ars/flub :/

[Raskolnikov]

yeah yeah laugh it up guys

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well ARS, I guess if it's shos/flub I have to really reread that day 2 so I never make that mistake again

[Raskolnikov]

but yeah I messed up big time this game :/

[Raskolnikov]

Okay, that's only working once