Mini 1766: SCP Foundation Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Elsa and Anna]

No one who isn't Shos is getting lynched today.

[Elsa and Anna]

She had claimed ascetic. I think he wanted to get away with not having to claim a target.
And yeah, my assumption is that he's a JOAT type role who used a different ability. I don't see why scum would only have a fruit vendor ability in role madness.
I wouldn't even put it past it to be Shos/Klingon to be scum together who were backed into a corner by their claims and had to do something.

I'm not positive who the second scum is, though I do think it's much more likely to be you. We're lynching Shos today though.

[Elsa and Anna]

That's not a thing.
And yeah. It makes more sense than Klingon being town in a setup like this.
I'm super sure that ARS is town and I think that Flubber is town, and 3 investigatives doesn't even come close to making sense.

[Elsa and Anna]

If ARS is scum here I will post a thread in MD saying that I am the second worst mafia player on the planet.

[Elsa and Anna]

Boonskiies was the worst.

Why are you townreading Shos?

[Elsa and Anna]

If I had lived instead of the cop we would have won that easily.

[Elsa and Anna]

Hey Flubber

hammer Shos or you're going to get hammered yourself fyi.

[Elsa and Anna]

I could see dream man as the partner I guess but that's kind of an oddity.

I think it's more likely that scum has a bus driver / redirector / jailkeeper type role.

[Elsa and Anna]

You are literally straight up copying Davsto's lines from paint mafia.

I was in that game in case you'd forgotten.

[Elsa and Anna]

Please don't hammer flubber. If he is getting lynched then make the partner hammer. I am phone posting and will respond to you later

[Elsa and Anna]

I'm sick of this shit from you Klingon, man
Are you going to apologize me after game when it's proven that you've been wrong about literally every single fucking read that you've had?
We would have lynched Kelbris day one if you hadn't defended him. Now you're hard defending someone who has basically scumclaimed with his night targets after doing the same crap yourself.

I mean if you're scum whatever but you targeted a claimed fucking ascetic as a claimed cop.
Stop trying to lead town because you're playing like shit.
I remind you Klingon that after Shos flips scum if you don't target me overnight you're getting autolynched tomorrow. No excuses.

Flubber, please just hammer Shos. he's fucking scum and I don't understand how people don't see it.

[Elsa and Anna]

You are conftown and not nightkillable.

I would switch roles with you gladly if I wasn't already a PGO.

[Elsa and Anna]

Who do you want to vote?

[Elsa and Anna]

If it's me I'm going to eat an entire peppermint aero bar in protest.

[Elsa and Anna]

Klingon you're actually a pretty terrible player tbh.

[Elsa and Anna]

Like if you're scum here then ignore all this.
But you've played like absolute crap all game.
You pushed the lynch off of scum D1 on 'UTL had her wagon!' levels of bullcrap and have hard defended scum for two days.
Shos is fucking scum. If you want to sell me on a choice of partner then sell me on a choice of partner but I am never going to get lynched.
You and your craptastic reads huge liability at this point and I'm tired of it.

[Elsa and Anna]

So much what RC said ...

You called us the only ones who got a scum flip in game scum and liar sinsce the start of day 2 becuase we're mentioning how crap was your play. You accused us as a SK when we are town PGO and we we're calling our scum reads to visit us day 1. You basically wasted you role and visited two dead body if its legit. the second one was an obvious town vig who claimed ascetic.

When I call you scum I really hope you are one.

and for everyone who don't see me putting votes or posting this day : I'm tired of this all ridiculous plays you have. RC has full permission from me to do whatever he wants with our vote.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

If Shos flips Town, E&A are Scum. So are you.

I tried giving that hydra a break, but they keep coming up with more and more twisted scenarios.

And This is you who is putting down false dilemmas not me.

May i ask you to come and visit us tonight ?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

You already visited an Ascetic claim. so you should be fine with visiting a pgo.

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

UNVOTE:

Why do you keep writing Klingon off as town?

[Elsa and Anna]

I think it's weird how Dream Man got invested in the lynch as soon as the counterwagon wasn't Flubber.

If Shos is town we're looking at

ARS/EA/Shos town
leaving
2/4 of Kling/DreamMan/Raskol/Flubber

Flubber is almost certainly town if Shos is town.

Ars/EA/Shos/Flubber

So it'd be either

Kling/DreamMan
Kling/Raskol
Raskol/DreamMan

Raskol/DreamMan is weird because of the watcher thing.
Klingon/Raskol makes sense.
Kling/DreamMan makes sense.

So yeah, if we're not lynching Shos we're lynching Klingon.

I think that with the amount of town investigatives, the other two that I'm pretty sure are town, there's no way that both Shos and Klingon are town here anyway.

So yeah. Pick your poison Shos.

[Elsa and Anna]

I don't really think ARS could be scum but if she is then Klingon!Town would make some sense and we'd be looking at either

ARS/Klingon
ARS/DreamMan
ARS/Raskol

I don't think both scum would have gotten investigative style roles so no ARS/Klingon
ARS/Raskol's interactions on D1 are way too genuine so I"m excluding that
ARS/DreamMan kind of makes sense if they were pulling a crazy gambit.

ANyway I just don't see it besides with dream mna which I really don't think itw as a gambit

[Elsa and Anna]

Unless flubber's scum.

But Flubber only really makes sense with Shos since he wasn't trying to hammer when L-1.

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: Shos

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's Shos + 1 of Dream / Raskol.

[Elsa and Anna]

If you think it's Flubber/Shos can we lynch Shos first?
I don't feel like Flubber would have not hammered Shos in this situation as scum.

[Elsa and Anna]

Like in the end I think Shos is scum no matter who the other scum is and I want to lynch scum today so I can have major scumreads target me.

[Elsa and Anna]

I was considering whether Flubber/Shos was TvT and scum didn't want to be part of the mislynch.
There were a lot of weird interactions around the wagons that made me consider whether it was TvT.

I think it's obvious that Flubber's not scum if Shos is town though considering the lack of a hammer and the fact that no one besides me was really pushing the Shos lynch.

[Elsa and Anna]

I don't really know why I was townreading ARS so much.

I'm going to revisit the slot.

[Elsa and Anna]

I don't like how Dream Man isn't pushing what he considers a guilty either.

no but.. why does that make only Flubber not scum? by that logic anyone who didn't hammer shos is town? are Flub's interactions different because he was scumreading shos?

preview: shos agrees and i still don't get the logic. is it eh 1v1 between them that mkaes Flubber different, then?

He had a perfect excuse to go ahead and hammer.
He didn't, even when people were talking about hammering him.
Scum would have just taken the lynch unless they were making a big play, and I don't see that coming from anyone in this game besides me.

[Elsa and Anna]

Tossing some thought here.

I gave been thinking. Town is really all over the llace. That means one of two things -
1. Scum are truly playing brilliantly and deserve to win, and I can't prevent that without some lucky decisions
2. We have false negatives.

I have no other buzarre explanation for the scum death. EA are nit getting done with today.
So kingon.

I realized that flubber claimed a usually-scum role, "confirming" two claims that have already been present.

My read on klingon was baaed on her claiming that her results go to someone with good hearing.

But thay claim came only after N1.

So Im thinking. Flub copped me n1. It is ok to fakeclaim town rilecop because it is provable - he DOES have thw ability. But...gis targets were lies. He copped me and realized I had big ears. Then, probably in daytalk, he and klingon-messenger crafted this to make me 100% be sure kkling is town.

This is actualy nit so far fetched.

And it can onkly haolpen via flubscum.
Why would he hammer me earlier? Why, no other wagon was going to happen it seemed. Dunno, I thought id be lynched ages ago. The town is a mess.

Im gonna go with a flub lynch.

Can we make this hallen?

You just repeated what I was telling you in the start of today! Now you realized she is not at all conftown?!

sorry man! Its very late to gain my trust on you back ...

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

If Raskol is scum roleblocker that makes Klingon near conftown.
I'd say the same is true about Dream Man.

So then we could have his likeliest partners, Shos and undecided, target me overnight since there's almost certainly no second scum roleblock role and powerlynch anyone who fails to do so and if both are town and visit me we can then lynch the remaining player.

If he's town, then we know for a fact that either his action was disrupted somehow or ARS is ninja or the watcher thing is fudged somehow.
So that's somewhat useful as well.

We lose the ability to PoE scum though.

[Elsa and Anna]

And if he's scum non-roleblocker that confirms Klingon as remaining scum.

[Elsa and Anna]

Unless he was claiming the roleblock that his partner performed and he was indeed going for a tracker claim.

[Elsa and Anna]

You're missing the fucking point Shos.

What if Klingon is exactly what she says she is but is scum aligned?

[Elsa and Anna]

Because you would be town and she can feed you (mis)information.

[Elsa and Anna]

I've seen that exact role before for the record, except it was randomly targeted.

But I don't believe that both of you are town unless scum has like a bus driver or something.

[Elsa and Anna]

No, it's pretty fucking not bastard.

[Elsa and Anna]

Yeah, okay. Let's just lynch Shos.

VOTE: Shos

[Elsa and Anna]

Correct me if I'm wrong but your result doesn't say that anyone in particular is town or scum aligned.

[Elsa and Anna]

I'm lynching you because you're probscum and if you're town you're a liability.

[Elsa and Anna]

So, where does that contradict the possibility that Klingon is scum who gives you cop results?

[Elsa and Anna]

And fuck what wording could be impossible for a player to write?

You don't think if I was scum I could come up with an amazing official looking wording for the cop result?

[Elsa and Anna]

When the fuck did I say insane cop?

Why are you fixating on this?

[Elsa and Anna]

Klingon being a messenger is something YOU brought up, not me. It was never a case I made.
I'm saying that if you're town, Klingon is a scum who passes results on to you.
It makes sense with her horribly suboptimal targeting decisions and her scummy play this entire game.

[Elsa and Anna]

I think that her role IS specifically assigned to Shos, regardless of either of their alignments.
And no, I didn't mean TARGETS were random. I meant RESULTS went to a RANDOM player.

RC, do you honestly think that any mod would put a sane amnesiac cop as scum.

Do I need to remind you that it's been fucking used before at least once?
I mean I think it's more likely that you're scum and Davsto got the scum FV idea from his role in Paint Mafia and wanted to play with site meta.
But it's worth considering and your complete refusal to do so strikes me as scum trying to hold to your guns instead of genuinely thinking things through.

[Elsa and Anna]

No, I didn't say Paint Mafia.
I don't know what the game name was and I'm looking for it.
I love how you're trying to turn the fact that I can't immediately pull up a link for every game I've ever read as a scumtell.

I refuse to not lynch Shos today from this point on. I'll find the game but Town!Shos isn't this slimy and opportunistic.

[Elsa and Anna]

The exchange around where I quoted SA2B at her felt really genuine and town and I'd expect that if she was scum she'd have reacted very differently to it.

I'm less sure of it now because I don't like how she played today but that's where I'm at.

[Elsa and Anna]

Found the game! It was Titus's game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=62853

Rolecop, not alignment cop, but the exact same logic applies.

[Elsa and Anna]

No, it's really not different at all.

I explained why it's an interesting role to add. I've made my points. Bye Shos.

[Elsa and Anna]

I get really weird feels about Shos's last few posts.

I'm wondering if he wanted me to bring up the other PR so he could act like he forgot and have this situation come up.

[Elsa and Anna]

And then be confscum.

I'd expect you to do that on LyLo, yeah.

[Elsa and Anna]

I'm so done with your crap dudette. we're town.

That role makes me think that Shos is more likely to be scum than you.

Will you vote him with us or no?

[Elsa and Anna]

Again you're assuming that Shos would be willing to confscum himself for 1 mislynch.

[Elsa and Anna]

mislynch on the dead town

this is a thing nowdays?

~Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Fuck it VOTE: Raskolnikov

[Elsa and Anna]

Shos almost 100%.

You've tried to get every wagon besides him going today.

[Elsa and Anna]

Also abusing deadline to lynch the person who will be basically cleared with a Shos scumflip.

[Elsa and Anna]

I'm done arguing. You can hammer whoever you want, I'll still speedvote one of you tomorrow and then the other in 3 way.

[Elsa and Anna]

I'd selfhammer to avoid a nolynch but I jumped off of an L-1 wagon to put obvtown at L-2,

[Elsa and Anna]

Counteroffer

if you're actually fucking town why don't you fucking vote Shos?

[Elsa and Anna]

Whatever let's just do Klingon.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

[Elsa and Anna]

She's a liability in LyLo if we're going to reach it anyways with her reads as they are.

[Elsa and Anna]

I think Shos is pretty definitely scum.
I'm less sure about Rask again.
Klingon might still be scum, her day 1 play around Kelbris was awful, but I'm sick of her ass reads and don't want her brought to LyLo.

[Elsa and Anna]

I don't know how we never managed to lynch Shos today.

This was awful.

[Elsa and Anna]

If Klingon flips scum I want ARS and Shos to visit me.
If Klingon flips town no one visits me.

[Elsa and Anna]

I'd have 3 people but I'm concerned about redirector shenanigans and too tired to math it out.

[Elsa and Anna]

Ok yeah.

If Klingon flips some sort of Bus Driver / Redirector / Roleblocker or anything that impairs or influences movement, no one willl visit me.
If she flips something besides that, ARS and Shos.

If town, no one visits.

I'm starting to think if scum had a redirector they'd have been redirecting to me though? so it's probably a bus driver or roleblocker type role if they have one.

what if town in that group doesn't visit
and then scum lynch them with you next day
and the game is over

Then they're morons and that's beyond my control.