Mini 1771 - Legend of Zelda Mafia: Storm the Castle Endgame

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:25 am

In post 1975, clearance only wrote:Much like Mirhawk was the x factor of the beeboy wagon being on point.
Cakes is the x factor of the dwlee wagon.
Pressure here is good at any rate.

What does one have to do with the other? I don't get it.

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:08 am

In post 1979, clearance only wrote:Essentially my comfort with the beeboy wagon, for whatever reason, was directly proportional with my comfort calling mirhawk town.

Ok. I suppose that makes sense, assuming equally strong town reads on Mirhawk and Cakez.

My concern is, when does this all stop? I'm not willing to support wagoning everyone over the course of the rest of the day, just to draw claims out of everyone.

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:17 am

In post 1982, pisskop wrote:you mean to say out of dwlee, beeboy, and toog you cant find an acceptable wagon?

No. I'm saying the exact opposite. We have plenty of acceptable lynches, which is precisely why I am concerned. Now, I am fully willing to support the Dwlee wagon, but after that, we need to decide on a lynch between the 3.

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:41 am

Well, I'd prefer to be the hammer vote, since I know I'm actually willing to lynch him, but it seems as though the wagon has stalled, and I'm not going to sit around and wait forever.

VOTE: Dwlee99

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:50 am

PW, your thoughts?

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:54 am

In post 1991, clearance only wrote:
In post 1985, Xkfyu wrote:Well, I'd prefer to be the hammer vote, since I know I'm actually willing to lynch him, but it seems as though the wagon has stalled, and I'm not going to sit around and wait forever.

VOTE: Dwlee99

This vote is, quite literally, far too scummy to come from scum.
This wagon remains town-driven.

That is, quite literally, extremely ridiculous.

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:59 am

In post 1994, pisskop wrote:If it looks like ass its ass.

You could argue that he doesnt realize he looks bad and its an ignorance thing, but too scummy to be scum encourages outlandish behavior in the hopes of getting townread.

Or, you could argue that it's the truth and I just don't care how it looks.

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:02 am

In post 1997, clearance only wrote:
In post 1993, Xkfyu wrote:That is, quite literally, extremely ridiculous.

You're probably right.

Don't even try it. You know what I meant.

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:28 am

In post 2006, SirCakez wrote:Xk's vote was pretty absurdly scummy though.

Everything I do is scummy to you. I'm past over it.

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:03 am

In post 2012, Phoenix Wright wrote:This is so dumb

What are your thoughts, other than that?

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:36 am

In post 2014, Phoenix Wright wrote:
In post 2013, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2012, Phoenix Wright wrote:This is so dumb

What are your thoughts, other than that?

Everyone is just following whatever cleavage and cookies tells them to do. Nobody has given a good reason for why the wagon has formed. They just hopped on without explanation and somehow that's alright. I don't like how little content dwlee has posted, but I also don't like how everyone is bowing down to cleavage and cookie. Think for yourselves.

You say all of this, but you don't seem to be having any thoughts either, other that "this is dumb."

You clearly don't want to join either one of the current wagons, but you aren't really fighting againt them either. Why? Who do you want to lynch?

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:37 am

In post 2017, beeboy wrote:This town is op

Are you willing to vote Dwlee?

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:50 pm

In post 2103, pisskop wrote:The votes should be about 5 up.

PW should finish up whatever hes doing and vote.

Dwlee - 5

Toogeloo - 4

(I think)

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:51 pm

In post 2106, Phoenix Wright wrote:
In post 2103, pisskop wrote:The votes should be about 5 up.

PW should finish up whatever hes doing and vote.

I voted for Nahdia. Her reaction to getting one vote from me has been pretty bad

Explain what "pretty bad" means, please. Logically explain to me why you think Nahdia is scum based on her reaction to your vote.

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:52 pm

I agree. It's either Dwlee or Toog today, and quite frankly, I'm perfectly happy with either one.

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:55 pm

In post 2114, Phoenix Wright wrote:
In post 2111, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2106, Phoenix Wright wrote:
In post 2103, pisskop wrote:The votes should be about 5 up.

PW should finish up whatever hes doing and vote.

I voted for Nahdia. Her reaction to getting one vote from me has been pretty bad

Explain what "pretty bad" means, please. Logically explain to me why you think Nahdia is scum based on her reaction to your vote.

She took up an entire page being sarcastic and annoying just because I asked if she was lurking. That's completely unnecessary.

So, you believe that sarcasm and being annoying are scum tells?

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:59 pm

In post 2117, Phoenix Wright wrote:No, I think overacting to one vote and flying off the handle is a scum tell.

Ok, those absolutely could be scum tells.

However, that doesn't sound to me like how you were describing Nahdia's reaction, at first. And it's certainly not how I would describe it.

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:01 pm

Being sarcastic and annoying, and totally unconcerned with your vote, to the point of taunting you.

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:02 pm

The exact opposite of overreacting and going off the handle.

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:32 pm

In post 2154, pisskop wrote:Thinking about it, how many main characters are even in Ocarina of Time?

Everyone is just a side character.

I dont think the game would be very balanced if town could refill the vig.

Are you not buying his claim, then?

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:38 pm

Dwlee, if you tried to refill a JOAT, like Ari, who had used all his abilities, how would that have worked? Would it had refilled all of them, or just one?

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:50 pm

In post 2163, clearance only wrote:Like, a lot less power than most everything else on the table.
Other than that, could be town or scum.

Considering how many X-Shot roles that have already been claimed, it seems decent, and I don't see it as a scum role.

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:51 pm

UNVOTE: Dwlee99

VOTE: Toogeloo

Never mind my question, Dwlee. Don't answer it.

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:05 pm

No worries. Don't worry about answering.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:43 am

In post 2207, clearance only wrote:So dwlee, beeboy, Xk and Chaos probably net at least 2 scum.

Yeah, I'd agree with that.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:46 am

In post 2223, clearance only wrote:Sweet.

VOTE: beeboy

First things first. Is what beeboy said about your role accurate, about there being no way that your role could be a scum role?

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:15 am

In post 2234, clearance only wrote:So dwlee is probably town.
Nahdia might be scum.

I'm almost certain that Dwlee is town. Either that, or it was a phenominal fake scum claim, because a Refiller doesn't make sense to me as a scum role.

In post 2240, beeboy wrote:
In post 2238, clearance only wrote:Explain why you would rolecop me.

I stopped town reading you.
How the hell do you choose who to role cop?

I just wanted to target a null read so I could use the info to sort them since it isn't incriminating.

You shouldn't have needed to choose who to rolecop. You could have chosen ANYONE to use your cop on.

We have a Refiller. If you have a Cop shot left, you use that. If you get refilled, you continue to use it. If you don't, THEN you use your Rolecop.

There is no way I'm believing that Rolecopping Cleavage in N1, after the D1 that he had, was anything more than a scum move.

In post 2249, clearance only wrote:Can I get a second opinion on this? Could this kind of terrible come from town?

See above.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:31 am

In post 2300, Nahdia wrote:
In post 2299, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2223, clearance only wrote:Sweet.

VOTE: beeboy

First things first. Is what beeboy said about your role accurate, about there being no way that your role could be a scum role?

In post 2252, clearance only wrote:I'm not sure what good that would do. I'm already positive he's actually a rolecop.

I tried skimming ahead to see if my question was answered, but missed that post. Thanks.

So we have essentially a confirmed rolecop, who could have used both his rolecop and his X-Shot Cop ability in the same night, yeilding twice as many results, but not only did he choose not to, but he was neither NKed, nor Roleblocked?

I'm not buying it.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:57 am

In post 2304, Phoenix Wright wrote:Did beeboy say why he targeted Cleavage?

In post 2240, beeboy wrote:
In post 2238, clearance only wrote:Explain why you would rolecop me.

I stopped town reading you.
How the hell do you choose who to role cop?

I just wanted to target a null read so I could use the info to sort them since it isn't incriminating.

That one, I didn't miss.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:45 am

In post 2311, beeboy wrote:Ok on the bright side at this point scum will never kill me since I am a uni scum read.

Complete and utter bullshit, and you know exactly why.

In post 2311, beeboy wrote:I am pretty sure I know who I want to cop now so let's let me live one day and lynch me tomorrow.
I knew holding my cop was good but I didn't consider being flash lynched the next day lol.

Holding your cop, if you have one, was very bad. Trying to justify it, instead of admitting that you were wrong, is even worse. Worst case scenario, you cleared two people as town (plus, possibly yourself), instead of just one.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:46 am

In post 2319, clearance only wrote:
In post 2299, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2223, clearance only wrote:Sweet.

VOTE: beeboy

First things first. Is what beeboy said about your role accurate, about there being no way that your role could be a scum role?

Can't tell if you're fishing me here but yea. There's no way my role could be a scum role because I am town.

Every single chance you get to cast the slightest bit of shade on me, you do it. Why?

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:53 am

In post 2332, clearance only wrote:
In post 2302, Xkfyu wrote:I'm almost certain that Dwlee is town. Either that, or it was a phenominal fake scum claim, because a Refiller doesn't make sense to me as a scum role.

Why's that?

Assume the Refiller doesn't know anything about anyone's roles, other than there are a bunch of X-Shots in the game.

The whole point of having so many X-Shots scattered everywhere is for the Refiller to have to choose who they want to refill, based on incomplete information. A Town Refiller would have to not only figure out where the PRs are, but also which ones are town (he doesn't want to refill a scum PR), and who actually is in need of a refill.

If the Refiller is Mafia, then there is no incomplete information, and the ideal play, far more often than not, is probably just to refill one of his buddies.

It just doesn't make any sense to me as a scum role. Or it, at least, makes far more sense as a town role than a scum role.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:55 am

In post 2338, clearance only wrote:
In post 2330, Nahdia wrote:cleavage if you think beeboy and xkfyu are both scum, Xkyfu has no reason to rolefish you.

That thought crossed my mind but it's fake-able and probably the exact thing that I'd do as scum honestly.

In post 2322, Xkfyu wrote:Every single chance you get to cast the slightest bit of shade on me, you do it. Why?

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:02 am

In post 2341, clearance only wrote:You should take that as a compliment.

Well, I don't. So, why?

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:08 am

In post 2348, Sensei wrote:
In post 2345, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2341, clearance only wrote:You should take that as a compliment.

Well, I don't. So, why?

Cuz I think you're scum?

And why would that be a compliment?

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:25 am

In post 2351, clearance only wrote:
In post 2349, Xkfyu wrote:And why would that be a compliment?

Because I think asking me about my role if you're scum with beeboy who would already know my role is the kind of subtle thing that I'd probably do as scum.

What do you think about cakes?

Well, that's an arrogant thing to say.

Cakez is doing the exact same thing you are, in respect to me. Besides that, his claim is concerning, considering two neighbourizers in a game usually suggests that they are opposing alignments. However, like I said in D1, it would be pretty dangerous to CC Ari, if he was a scum neighbourizer.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:46 am

In post 2354, clearance only wrote:Not when you think long term to massclaim time where cakes needs to claim that eventually anyway.

I was more so thinking that CCing Ari might have also made him a Vig target, if people believed Ari over Cakez, but that's true as well.

So what's your take on it, then?

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:12 am

In post 2368, clearance only wrote:Would a jailkeeper on cookies stop dwlee's refill from going through?

A JK targeting Cookie would only stop a kill on Cookie going through, right?

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:21 am

In post 2375, pisskop wrote:I dont think Cakez CC looks great or anthing, but cookiez was going to shoot toog if not ari, soo whats the scum motivation to sink ari?

Well, shooting Toog instead of Ari would mean that Toog was the guaranteed kill and not Ari. We all saw that, even after we agreed on shooting Ari and lynching Toog, that Toog could have fairly easily still not have been lynched. Plus, with Toog claiming that he was a VT at the time, and Ari claiming to be a JOAT (both of which scum would have thought were the truth), it would make sense that scum wanted the JOAT dead first. Otherwise, they were taking the risk of letting town decide on a different lynch, other than Ari.

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:59 am

In post 2365, clearance only wrote:Also refiller could be scum - let's read people based on play kthanks.

I agree that it could be. I just it's highly unlikely in this game. So, unless I see something that makes me think otherwise, I have no problems town reading Dwlee based solely on that.

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:08 am

In post 2371, Nahdia wrote:the fact that dwlee is allowed to try to refill again tonight makes me think he was roleblocked, not that the problem was on Cookies' end. i guess that's a mechanics clarification for the mod tho.

I agree.

Normally, when an X-Shot role uses his ability and is roleblocked, one of the shots is used up. However, Dwlee isn't an X-Shot, he is a "non-consecutive night" refiller who can only refill 1-shot roles. So, since he is allowed to refill again tonight, it makes a lot more sense that Dwlee was roleblocked than it does that his refill was blocked by something that happened to Cookie.

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:19 am

In post 2408, Dwlee99 wrote:The jailkeep is possible for ehy my role could of been blocked.

Right, but only if you were the one who was jailed, as the only incoming actions that the JK blocks are kills, right?

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:23 am

In post 2411, pisskop wrote:Normally.

But there are several examples of jailers who dont, or do more.

Ive seen some that form neighborhoods, so who roleblock and commute the tareget, et al.

Ok that's fair. I guess, with this being a themed game, it isn't safe to assume any "normal" mechanics for any roles.

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:23 am

In post 2416, pisskop wrote:does it honestly matter if jk or rb?

Not particularly, no.

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:26 pm

In post 2420, clearance only wrote:Why is beeboy still breathing again?

Last I heard, we were still in discussion mode. Having we decided to lynch beeboy?

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:26 pm

Have*

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:32 pm

In post 2421, clearance only wrote:I guess content from chaos would be cool. I don't think his absence is alignment indicative either. And I'm pretty curious for that case on Xk.
So I could wait a day on that I suppose.

I've been eagerly waiting on that case too.

In post 2421, clearance only wrote:I don't know why nobody is doing anything, though?

I've been waiting to see if a counter wagon would pop up. The lack of one is kinda concerning, unless this is just a straight up bus because of a terrible results claim.

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:52 pm

I guess, if you really want to call it that with just one vote. Omega has one vote as well too, though.

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:53 pm

Well, never mind that.

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:55 pm

In post 2430, clearance only wrote:Definitely want chaos to check in first.

Yeah? Why's that?

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:03 pm

In post 2433, Phoenix Wright wrote:If Radja barely posted, why would you expect Chaos to post?

Why would you expect Chaos not to post just because Radja didn't post?

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:16 pm

Loving all the self-meta, guys. Really.

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:19 pm

In post 2453, Nahdia wrote:
In post 2451, Xkfyu wrote:Loving all the self-meta, guys. Really.

In post 2452, pisskop wrote:'under the radar'?

What exactly is your point?

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:20 pm

In post 2455, Nahdia wrote:@Xkfyu I actually lied I don't give a frick what my partners do lol

Again, what's your point?

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:26 pm

In post 2458, Nahdia wrote:Y u gotta be so high-strung m8? U scum?

I'd just like for you to make SOME point, eventually.

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:45 pm

In post 2461, Nahdia wrote:Why are u subtly implying I'm not doing anything. At least when phoenix did it he was straight with me lol

It wasn't subtle at all, but ok.

In post 2437, Nahdia wrote:I think Beeboy is probably scum but I'm scared to lynch and obviously not going to vote now since he's at L-1 and idk I wish there was more discussion today or whatever???

We have tons of time left in the day for discussion. The way you talk about wanting more discussion about beeboy, but then don't actually talk about him, makes me think that you don't really want to talk about it, and you are perfectly fine with his lynch.

If you actually do think he's scum, then why are you scared to lynch him?

Xkfyu · Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:16 pm

Actually, he claimed rolecop with an X-shot cop ability, and he claims that he can use both abilities in the same night. Yet, he chose not to. Tell me again why you're worried that he's actually town?

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:40 am

In post 2490, Nahdia wrote:
In post 2488, pisskop wrote:y claim Supercop at all of he is nor gonna use it?
not my point. my point is that Xkyfu's post really feels bussy. especially the assertion that there's no freakin way beeboy is town and i'm silly for even considered it. it feels like he knows what beeboy is going to flip and wants to set up to use my trepidation against me.

Funny. I was actually thinking that you knew he was going to flip town and didn't want to hammer him, because you were scared.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:40 am

In post 2491, clearance only wrote:UNVOTE:
Don't want him just dangling at L1.

Why the hell not? I thought you wanted to lynch him?

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:43 am

In post 2509, Nahdia wrote:Xkfyu why aren't you voting him?

I was planning on hammering this morning.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:44 am

You go ahead. I want the hammer.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:48 am

In post 2514, Cookie Bakers wrote:Like I am suddenly legit scared that beeboy is town and scum are afraid of hammering cop

~Shiro

This is exactly what I've been concerned about. The wagon was really easy, and there have been no other lynch options whatsoever today.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:50 am

In post 2516, Nahdia wrote:In post 2512, Xkfyu wrote:
You go ahead. I want the hammer.
You had it last night, why didn't you use it then?

I thought you wanted more discussion about him? Was that a lie too?

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:52 am

In post 2517, Nahdia wrote:
In post 2515, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2514, Cookie Bakers wrote:Like I am suddenly legit scared that beeboy is town and scum are afraid of hammering cop

~Shiro

This is exactly what I've been concerned about. The wagon was really easy, and there have been no other lynch options whatsoever today.
To quote yourself...

In post 2469, Xkfyu wrote:Actually, he claimed rolecop with an X-shot cop ability, and he claims that he can use both abilities in the same night. Yet, he chose not to. Tell me again why you're worried that he's actually town?

Yep. My point exactly.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:54 am

In post 2519, Nahdia wrote:No I'm just checking to see if you're consistent... which you're not...

This:

In post 2469, Xkfyu wrote:Actually, he claimed rolecop with an X-shot cop ability, and he claims that he can use both abilities in the same night. Yet, he chose not to. Tell me again why you're worried that he's actually town?

and this:

In post 2515, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2514, Cookie Bakers wrote:Like I am suddenly legit scared that beeboy is town and scum are afraid of hammering cop

~Shiro

This is exactly what I've been concerned about. The wagon was really easy, and there have been no other lynch options whatsoever today.

are not mutually exclusive.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:00 am

Nahdia, you still want to do that Gladiator thing? I'm happy to oblige.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:01 am

VOTE: Nahdia

See?

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:03 am

In post 2525, Nahdia wrote:oh so u can vote
ME
without hammering i see how it is

Well, you said you were scared to hammer a cop. I gave you the opportunity to vote him without hammering, but you didn't want to do that either.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:03 am

We doing this thing, or what?

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:12 am

In post 2530, clearance only wrote:
In post 2508, Xkfyu wrote:Why the hell not? I thought you wanted to lynch him?

What part of not wanting radja slot to go another day without posting content didn't you hear the first time?

Nothing. I heard it just fine. It just sounded like a lame excuse.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:18 am

In post 2528, Nahdia wrote:so ur saying he IS a cop?

No. You did, actually.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:19 am

In post 2531, Nahdia wrote:kind of unnerved that beeboy showed up last night while at L-1 and said nothing game related lol...

What's wrong. You suddenly feel like you need to find reasons to lynch beeboy now?

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:24 am

In post 2538, clearance only wrote:
In post 2534, Xkfyu wrote:Nothing. I heard it just fine. It just sounded like a lame excuse.

Excuse for what?
Two week deadline man.
Let's chill.

Excuse for waiting on Chaos's "case" against me. Don't pretend that that's not what you're actually waiting on.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:28 am

In post 2544, Nahdia wrote:this guy be throwin' shade like Venetian blinds in a living room

Am I?

In post 2421, clearance only wrote:I guess content from chaos would be cool. I don't think his absence is alignment indicative either. And I'm pretty curious for that case on Xk.
So I could wait a day on that I suppose.
I don't know why nobody is doing anything, though?

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 1:29 am

In post 2545, clearance only wrote:
In post 2543, Xkfyu wrote:Excuse for waiting on Chaos's "case" against me. Don't pretend that that's not what you're actually waiting on.

Yea so?
That's one thing. It's not because I couldn't rip apart your iso myself if I felt compelled to. I need to get a better read on that slot.
He's POE scum right now but there's a concensus of eyes turning on him and it's not making me comfortable.

Please. Be my guest. Rip away.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 3:53 am

In post 2567, pisskop wrote:We cant not lynch everything that claims magicpony guiz.

How do you know what my role is...

In post 2567, pisskop wrote:Can we stop trying to lynch preflips pre-flip?

Maybe. What are you thoughts on Nadhia?

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:08 am

SS roles?

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:20 am

Oh, I have no idea. I don't have any completed themed games on this site.

To answer your question. It wasn't that I was eager to hammer. I was trying to emphasize the fact that Nahdia was unwilling to vote beeboy, even when he wasn't on L-1.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:33 am

In post 2573, pisskop wrote:She said as much already. Do you think beeboy is obvscum?

Based on beeboy's posts alone, I'd be willing to lynch him. However, my gut is telling me that scum want his lynch to go through, which makes me not want to lynch him.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:42 am

In post 2575, pisskop wrote:So why does scumnahdia want to distance herself?

Any scum's best option for lynching a cop is to allow the wagon to be town lead, as much as possible.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:45 am

Right, and if he's town, then he is, as he'd have no reason to lie about his role in that case.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:50 am

Well, if that's the case, then it has to be a bus, right? Otherwise, why are there no real attempts at forming other wagons, or no one defending him?

Is beeboy just that much of a lost cause for his scum team?

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:00 am

In post 2582, pisskop wrote:Who is bussing him then?

why are you doing this vague faphery? Youre using Nadia's stance on Beeboy to push her and wont elaborate or offer actual thoughts.

I don't know. Certainly not Cookie, and probably not cleavage, but any of you other 3 is probably a decent choice. I'm not trying to lynch preflips pre-flip though, so I'd have to see a scum beeboy flip first.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:06 am

You don't think reads that come from voting patterns are organic?

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:15 am

Sorry to disappoint you, but you're wrong. Honestly, I don't see how you, or anyone else, is completely comfortable with lynching beeboy.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:20 am

In post 2589, pisskop wrote:Can you show me what you thought of the inconsistencies between town-beeboy and his claimed actions?

He claimed, for instance, that he chose not to use his copping last night. As an x-shot that combines rolecop/cop how exactly does that work?

Here's one of my responses to Nahdia that should explain that.

In post 2469, Xkfyu wrote:Actually, he claimed rolecop with an X-shot cop ability, and he claims that he can use both abilities in the same night. Yet, he chose not to. Tell me again why you're worried that he's actually town?

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:30 am

In post 2591, pisskop wrote:
In post 2590, Xkfyu wrote:Tell me again why you're worried that he's actually town?

allow me to point out something

Like I said, based on his posts alone, I'm perfectly fine with lynching him, which is the point I was trying to make to Nahdia. It's the other stuff I stated that has me concerned.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:40 am

Ok fine. Let's do it. No, I can't really see town not using his cop ability, and even if it is a bus, then we're still lynching scum.

UNVOTE: Nahdia

VOTE: beeboy

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:54 am

In post 2594, Phoenix Wright wrote:
In post 2593, Xkfyu wrote:Ok fine. Let's do it. No, I can't really see town not using his cop ability, and
even if it is a bus
, then we're still lynching scum.

UNVOTE: Nahdia

VOTE: beeboy

What?

What part of that isn't clear?

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:55 am

Oh you put "even if it is a bus" in bold?

Ok. What part of THAT isn't clear?

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:00 am

I don't get it.

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:01 am

How does that make it sound like I'm bussing him?

Xkfyu · Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:40 am

Go for it, as far as I'm concerned.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:37 am

In post 2616, Nahdia wrote:He's mad bc he's scum with Xkfyu and they're trying to lynch the towncop

I really don't think that's why he's mad, but good luck with that theory.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:53 am

In post 2619, Nahdia wrote:
In post 2617, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2616, Nahdia wrote:He's mad bc he's scum with Xkfyu and they're trying to lynch the towncop

I really don't think that's why he's mad, but good luck with that theory.
i bet it is tbqh

Why are you so sure that beeboy is town?

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:56 am

In post 2622, Nahdia wrote:im not lol i just think ur a better lynch so i wanna lynch u first ^_^

Well, you sure sound awful sure about it.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:58 am

In post 2624, Nahdia wrote:why lynch someone who is possibly scum but also MIGHT be an alignment cop when i could lynch this other guy who is totes scum???

That logic would be very valid if the base assumption wasn't completely wrong.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 3:59 am

In post 2626, clearance only wrote:VOTE: Xkfyu
Time to cure the stagnation.

FINALLY!

You've finally made your move. It's about damn time.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:00 am

In post 2629, Nahdia wrote:what base assumption r u referring to

That I'm scum.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:01 am

In post 2631, Nahdia wrote:im p sure ur scum lol

And you're wrong.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:35 am

In post 2633, clearance only wrote:Who's scum Xk?

I think beeboy is scum.

If he is, then I think you and, either Cakez or Phoenix, is scum.

If beeboy is town, then I think Nahdia and pisskop are good choices.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:44 am

In post 2640, Sensei wrote:Reasonssssss?

Sure.

If beeboy is scum, then this has been one big bus. You were the first on the wagon, but moved away after he was at L-1 to continue your "start wagons on everyone to force a claim" campaign from D1. I also don't believe a scum Rolecop would have targeted a town you. It would have been much easier for scum to just kill you and eliminate one of the town leaders. Chances are probably pretty decent that they have something that can bypass protection.

I don't think pisskop is scum with beeboy, so the only one's left on his wagon, other than me, is Cakez and Phoenix. I'd definitely go with Cakez over Phoenix though, based solely of the fact that he is a Neighbourizer.

If beeboy is town, then pisskop's hard push to lynch him looks scummy, and so does Nahdia's refusal to be on the wagon.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 4:53 am

In post 2644, Nahdia wrote:Xkfyu do you townread me? I'm surprised I'm not in your reads since you seem to be constantly posturing towards me.

Have you not been reading?

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:02 am

Oh I'm definitely going to be pushing for your lynch if beeboy flips town. As far as I'm concerned, the only way that you could be so confident in him flipping town is if you are scum. Everything about his play so far has pointed to him being scum.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:32 am

In post 2651, clearance only wrote:In post 2642, Xkfyu wrote:

If beeboy is scum, then this has been one big bus.

Why?

Because, until now, there hasn't been any other serious wagon that has popped up.

In post 2651, clearance only wrote:In post 2642, Xkfyu wrote:
You were the first on the wagon, but moved away after he was at L-1 to continue your "start wagons on everyone to force a claim" campaign from D1.

Because this isn't doing it for me.
I've substantiated all my pushes this game.
I've not brought up one time how a claim effected my read more than a few times in passing. Giving beeboy a chance to make something of himself isn't me changing my read on him. It was the correct play to make based on risk/reward.

I agree, for D1. However, D2 is too late. How many chances do you suppose we give him to use his supposed cop shot?

In post 2651, clearance only wrote:In post 2642, Xkfyu wrote:
I also don't believe a scum Rolecop would have targeted a town you. It would have been much easier for scum to just kill you and eliminate one of the town leaders. Chances are probably pretty decent that they have something that can bypass protection.

Could the same thing not be said for cookies?
What does whatever wifom comes with what beeboy has claimed to do if he flips scum have to do with your read on me?

From only the town leader persperctive yes, the same could be said for Cookie. However, as far as scum knows, Cookie is just a VT now, unless they get a refill, which they can obviously block. Killing you would have been a much better choice since they wouldn't have known what kind of power you have.

In post 2651, clearance only wrote:In post 2642, Xkfyu wrote:
I don't think pisskop is scum with beeboy

Why?

Even as you guys are trying to move the wagon over to me, he's still fighting for the beeboy lynch.

In post 2651, clearance only wrote:In post 2642, Xkfyu wrote:
so the only one's left on his wagon

What does beeboy's wagon have to do with anything?

Because I think it was a bus. Pay attention, please.

In post 2651, clearance only wrote:In post 2642, Xkfyu wrote:
other than me, is Cakez and Phoenix. I'd definitely go with Cakez over Phoenix though, based solely of the fact that he is a Neighbourizer.

Guessing the mod here is bad.
I don't understand why people think shaping their reads like solely based on what *they* believe makes the setup more elegant rather than play. It's something that I tend to see from scum just as often as misguided town unfortunately.

I don't really care what you think. I think Cakez is scum based solely on the fact that he is a Neighbourizer and the fact that I believe there was only one town Neighbourizer.

In post 2651, clearance only wrote:In post 2642, Xkfyu wrote:
If beeboy is town, then pisskop's hard push to lynch him looks scummy,

What about the push is scummy to you? I don't think force is inherently scummy.

I don't think force is inherently scummy, either. It's the way he's pushing. I'll further explain that later, if beeboy does flip town.

In post 2651, clearance only wrote:In post 2642, Xkfyu wrote:
and so does Nahdia's refusal to be on the wagon.

You don't think that Nahdias fear of lynching what would probably be our most valuable role in the off chance beeboy's town doesn't look genuine - then explain to me with quotes of what she's said that seems off to you. Cuz I'm not really seeing it.

All of this was while the wagon was building:

In post 2278, Nahdia wrote:honestly, with all the X-shots and other limitations we've seen, I have a lot of trouble believing beeboy got an infinite rolecop AND a single shot alignment cop. it doesn't seem to fit the setup. unless there's some limitations he hasn't outted

In post 2279, Nahdia wrote:especially if there's roles out there like cleavage's that are plainly towny. my own role is similarly towny. as would modposter i suspect though I guess that could be a scumrole to throw town off? infinite rolecop is REALLY powerful and seems like a role scum would be given. i dunno, it's dumb to read based on flavor ofc but i was kind of thinking with the whole "triforce of wisdom" thing it didn't sound like a fakeclaim. that's what gives me major pause. but im having a lot of trouble believing beeboy's claim is town all things considered. ESPECIALLY with that rolecop on cleavage. like, what the hell man.

In post 2296, Nahdia wrote:reading them i honestly felt they were town but as i just pointed out im having a really hard time believing their role is a town role. and their check was so so so bad.

Then, when the wagon hit L-1:

In post 2437, Nahdia wrote:I think Beeboy is probably scum but I'm scared to lynch and obviously not going to vote now since he's at L-1 and idk I wish there was more discussion today or whatever???

In post 2468, Nahdia wrote:Because he claimed cop lol?????

In post 2509, Nahdia wrote:Xkfyu why aren't you voting him?

In post 2511, Nahdia wrote:Well you can still put him at L-1. Go ahead.

In post 2516, Nahdia wrote:
In post 2512, Xkfyu wrote:You go ahead. I want the hammer.
You had it last night, why didn't you use it then?

In post 2513, Cookie Bakers wrote:This is like the most awkward conversation ever

~Shiro
u kno i think it's actually very Hussie-esque to spend like 50 extra pages just discussing crap before rushing into actually doing something.

In post 2564, Nahdia wrote:whatever is Xkfyu isn't getting lynched I'll pledge my vote to beeboy if it's needed but I do want Chaos to say something cuz i dont wanna go into d3 with a 100% lurk slot

In post 2616, Nahdia wrote:He's mad bc he's scum with Xkfyu and they're trying to lynch the towncop

In post 2625, Nahdia wrote:
In post 2623, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2622, Nahdia wrote:im not lol i just think ur a better lynch so i wanna lynch u first ^_^

Well, you sure sound awful sure about it.
im just awful sure ur a better lynch LOL

In post 2644, Nahdia wrote:Town: Cookie Bakers, cleavage only
Townlean: SirCakez, Dwlee99
Null: ChaosOmega, Phoenix Wright
Scumlean: Pisskop, beeboy
Scum: Xkfyu

Xkfyu do you townread me? I'm surprised I'm not in your reads since you seem to be constantly posturing towards me.

hey shrio let's hydra. i already have the perfect avi:

In post 2646, Nahdia wrote:sorry, i missed the end of 2639. chillax homie. kind of looks like exactly what i said i was worried about though; you prepping to use a beeboy town flip to push me.

She switched from casting shade while the wagon was formed, to WKing after the wagon reached L-1, but has never voted for him.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:34 am

In post 2655, Nahdia wrote:To break it down, I want to switch the order of the lynch because I think it can only help town.

I think to win this game, town NEEDS to lynch Xkfyu. We might need to lynch Beeboy, but letting him live another day also might help us. So logic dictates we lynch Xkfyu first. The order of lynches I propose (Xkfyu then Beeboy) can only help town.

Your logic is awful. If you ARE town, then you are working on too little of information to be able to decide on which lynch is dictated by logic.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:36 am

In post 2668, Nahdia wrote:i thought they can only target one person and as a 1-shot make their rolecop also give alignment.

p-edit: i don't necessarily think he's a cop, im considering the possibility of him being a cop.

Beeboy said that he could have used his Rolecop ability, and his X-Shot Cop ability last night, but said that he chose to "save" his cop ability.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:40 am

In post 2671, Nahdia wrote:it's almost as my reads are dynamic

ALMOST, yeah. Except for the fact that you've been voting me the entire time, and the timing of your "dynamically changing beeboy read" is impeccable.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:56 am

In post 2676, clearance only wrote:
In post 2669, Xkfyu wrote:Because, until now, there hasn't been any other serious wagon that has popped up.

Again ?
Why does that mean that you think I'm bussing him?

Because I think the play was to come out the gate bussing beeboy (in case he was lynched today), until Chaos put forth his "case" on me. Then, you could easily switch the wagon over to me. Something you've been trying to do for a while now. Though, I have no idea why. But when Chaos never showed back up, you had to stall.

In post 2677, clearance only wrote:
In post 2669, Xkfyu wrote:From only the town leader persperctive yes, the same could be said for Cookie. However, as far as scum knows, Cookie is just a VT now, unless they get a refill, which they can obviously block. Killing you would have been a much better choice since they wouldn't have known what kind of power you have.

Am I like only person who hasn't claimed or something? No.
What about reads?
What about the people who are gonna look good down the line based on flips we haven't seen yet?
This is pretty black and white when shits actually pretty grey man.

Maybe, but if you're town, there is no denying that you are probably the highest profile target out of those of us who haven't claimed yet.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:57 am

In post 2678, Nahdia wrote:
In post 2675, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2671, Nahdia wrote:it's almost as my reads are dynamic

ALMOST, yeah. Except for the fact that you've been voting me the entire time, and the timing of your "dynamically changing beeboy read" is impeccable.
My read on beeboy never changed, I'm just pushing the fact that you're the better lynch more now because the beeboy wagon happened and it made me realize I really want to push your lynch today.

Actually, I just showed that it did change.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:02 am

In post 2679, clearance only wrote:In post 2669, Xkfyu wrote:
I agree, for D1. However, D2 is too late. How many chances do you suppose we give him to use his supposed cop shot?

I don't know where you got the crazy idea that I don't think beeboy's scum.

I asked how many chances are you willing to give him? I never said that you didn't think beeboy is scum.

In post 2679, clearance only wrote:I don't think force is inherently scummy, either. It's the way he's pushing. I'll further explain that later, if beeboy does flip town.

No that's a cop out.

If you think a push looks scummy it doesn't matter what someone flips really.

No, it's not a cop out. It's only scummy if beeboy flips town, and if that's the case, then I'll be glad to explain it.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:07 am

In post 2685, Nahdia wrote:I appreciate you trying to tell me what my reads are Xkfyu, but this whole time I have been clear and you've been selectively ignoring me. So allow me to make this clear:

I STILL SCUMREAD BEEBOY

That said
1) I scumread you more
2) Logically lynching you first is better

Please, logically explain to me why lynching me first is better.

And don't give me that nonsense you gave in Post 2655, which is completely invalid.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:09 am

In post 2694, Nahdia wrote:town!Beeboy living an extra day is better than town!Xkfyu living a better day.

And how do you know that without knowing my role?

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:15 am

In post 2697, Nahdia wrote:@Xkfyu: Because you haven't claimed alignment cop.

Neither did he. He claimed Rolecop, with an X-Shot alignment cop, which is probably just a 1-Shot, if he's town, based on all the other 1-Shot roles there have been.

Do you not think that there are any roles out there that are stronger than what he claimed?

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:17 am

In post 2699, Nahdia wrote:logically

Stop using that word.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:26 am

In post 2702, pisskop wrote:HES NOT A FUCKIGN COP ARE YOU ALL TO STUPID TO GRASP THAT

Well, I think I grasped it. Better late, than never.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:23 am

In post 2704, SirCakez wrote:Wow Phoenix and Chaos still aren't doing things, and I've been gone for nearly a day.
Xkfyu wagon is cool with me, Beeboy and him are both scum pretty sure.

You think we are BOTH scum? Why?

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:28 am

In post 2706, SirCakez wrote:Because I'm scumreading both of you? Why, is there some reason you can't be scum together or something?

Oh ok. I get it. You're just throwing out scum reads with no reasoning again.

Go ahead, tell me why you think we are buddies.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:13 am

It's not that I WANT you to be wrong. It's that I KNOW you are wrong.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:54 am

Nahdia, your very first reason for scum reading me was because I called Cookie on, what I thought to be, a bluff, correct?

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:20 am

In post 2716, SirCakez wrote:Xkfyu I'll get to you later.

I'll be right here...holding my breath.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:58 am

In post 2720, Nahdia wrote:In post 2711, Xkfyu wrote:
It's not that I WANT you to be wrong. It's that I KNOW you are wrong.
regardless of if you're scum, my logic is sound. Cool you're jets.

No, it's not. Stop using words and phrases for which you clearly don't know the definitions of.

In post 2720, Nahdia wrote:In post 2712, Xkfyu wrote:
Nahdia, your very first reason for scum reading me was because I called Cookie on, what I thought to be, a bluff, correct?
wrong. That was just an additional point I made

Ok well, it's the first one that I remember. Regardless, do you still believe that that suggests that I'm scum?

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:09 pm

In post 2727, Nahdia wrote:Lmao you're so mad

Why would I be mad? It's not me who doesn't know their Critical Thinking vocabulary. It's you.

Answer the question please.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:24 pm

Yeah yeah yeah.

Answer the question.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:31 pm

In post 2733, Nahdia wrote:I'd have to review that and I'm at work phone posting right now. I'll look into it when I get home. Sorry.

Why are you dodging the question? The answer is either "yes," or "no."

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:41 pm

In post 2735, Nahdia wrote:I thought you wanted me to look over the situation again? I don't really remember it well so it's hard for me to say. I'll dartboard and say yes?

Well, if you really don't remember it, then yes, I do want you to look it over again because if you really think it through, then I honestly don't see how you could still come to the conclusion that I'm scum.

Xkfyu · Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:19 pm

In post 2740, Nahdia wrote:And I'm not going to sit here and load the gun you're going to try and shoot me with. You want to build a case on me? Do it. Stop questioning me and start telling everyone else why I'm scum. Let's hear it.

I've already stated why I think you're probably scum, but it only applies if beeboy flips town.

If he flips scum, then you're probably town. About the most blinkered town that I think I have ever seen, but probably still town.

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:30 am

In post 2742, Nahdia wrote:yah ur scum lol

What about that post makes you say that?

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:06 am

What's up FB? You replaced in about a half hour ago, so I assume you've completely caught up with all 111 pages, right?

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:09 am

In post 2752, Nahdia wrote:
intent to hammer
if cleavage doesn't by the time I get home in like 5 hours. Let's get on with it.

What's the point in waiting? Just go ahead and hammer.

Xkfyu · Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:16 am

Lol he's had plenty of time. His thunder is ripe for the taking.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:28 pm

Stop. That's not happening.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:28 pm

That was to Nahdia, not FB.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:35 pm

In post 2771, Firebringer wrote:Xkyfu, how you doing?
Man, taking forever for us to do that hydra game we have been signed up for.

I know right. Hopefully it fills soon.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:42 pm

In post 2778, Firebringer wrote:Ohh guys, btw I don't know if previous guy claimed this. But I am gladiator, and I am really itching to use this since first time I got it.
Probably should read more of the game before doing so tho lol

I think you should go ahead and use it on SirCakez.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:44 pm

In post 2779, Sensei wrote:
In post 2772, Nahdia wrote:p-edit: sensei talk to me. what's up m8?

GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON WHY I SHOULDN'T LYNCH YOU TODAY

How about because you were going to hammer him regardless?

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:47 pm

In post 2307, SirCakez wrote:I neighborized the Bakers last night as they said.
I was thinking overnight that the theme of the game is we are rescuing Zelda from Ganondorf right? So why would Zelda be town?
I want to lynch Beeboy today coming from that. Also his claim is shaky as hell now.

I'm pretty sure that Cakez was bussing based on that Zelda comment.

Plus, the Neighbourizer thing.

VOTE: SirCakez

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:47 pm

In post 2794, SirCakez wrote:
In post 2789, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2778, Firebringer wrote:Ohh guys, btw I don't know if previous guy claimed this. But I am gladiator, and I am really itching to use this since first time I got it.
Probably should read more of the game before doing so tho lol

I think you should go ahead and use it on SirCakez.

Xk you're probably town now so stop being bad pls :/

No, I am definitely town.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:50 pm

In post 2802, Phoenix Wright wrote:
In post 2800, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2794, SirCakez wrote:
In post 2789, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2778, Firebringer wrote:Ohh guys, btw I don't know if previous guy claimed this. But I am gladiator, and I am really itching to use this since first time I got it.
Probably should read more of the game before doing so tho lol

I think you should go ahead and use it on SirCakez.

Xk you're probably town now so stop being bad pls :/

No, I am definitely town.

Do a better job of convincing us

I'm doing fine, thanks.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:51 pm

In post 2803, Nahdia wrote:What Do U Mean?

About the Neighbourizer thing, or about the part that you intentionally deleted from the quote?

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:53 pm

Two Neighbourizers usually suggests that one is town and one is scum, and we have already seen a town Neighbourizer flip.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:57 pm

In post 2811, clearance only wrote:
In post 2809, Xkfyu wrote:Two Neighbourizers usually suggests that one is town and one is scum, and we have already seen a town Neighbourizer flip.

And I've already explained why this reasoning is complete ass.

Didn't I tell you that I don't care what you think?

Besides, the fact that he was expecting the Zelda role to be scum is even better anyways.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:00 pm

In post 2812, Nahdia wrote:tbh i kinda lack any confident scumreads all of a sudden but i'm fairly sure remaining scum is in Phoenix/Xkfyu/Pisskop

I'm somewhere between "reasonably" and "pretty damn" sure that all 3 of those are wrong.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:09 pm

In post 2837, Nahdia wrote:
In post 2834, Dwlee99 wrote:wait I think pw is town, nahdia. what to heck
bro everyone has at least one person who thinks they're town. we can't all be town, fam.

I think PW is town too.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:10 pm

In post 2840, clearance only wrote:
In post 2838, Xkfyu wrote:
I think PW is town too.

Why?

Because of his interactions with me in D2.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:16 pm

In post 2849, Nahdia wrote:
In post 2847, clearance only wrote:
In post 2845, Nahdia wrote:hey cleavage, do u think mafia knows ur role?

yup
so how about u claim so town can know it too?? or is there some reason u shouldn't?

That's a really good point, actually.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:17 pm

In post 2851, clearance only wrote:I think that in the very off chance that beeboy lied about rolecopping me that it'd be better to stay low key.

But then again massclaim wouldn't be a terrible idea.

No chance he lied about rolecopping you. He would have had to be worried about the possibilities of Tracker/Watchers. Being caught in a lie at that point would have guaranteed his lynch.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:21 pm

In post 2858, pisskop wrote:Y are we massclaiming?

We aren't. Cleavage is claiming.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:42 pm

In post 2884, Nahdia wrote:so do we wanna go with pisskop's order or does anyone have complaints?

I'm fine with pisskop's order.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 3:43 pm

What do you mean? Are we not just full claiming?

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:31 pm

Sensei, if we're mass claiming, then there is no reason why you shouldn't be claiming at this point.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:38 pm

In post 2953, pisskop wrote:Ill explain after.

xk, he will. presumably after we all do?
Do you suspect him?

It's not that I necessarily expect him, but he's certainly not obvtown to me.

The point is that scum already know what his role is, no matter what his alignment is, so town stands to lose nothing by him claiming first if he's town, but stands to possibly catch scum if he is scum.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:44 pm

In post 2966, Sensei wrote:I buy it.

Why do you buy it?

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:45 pm

In post 2968, Sensei wrote:Why aren't you claiming?

Why aren't you?

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:48 pm

In post 2973, Sensei wrote:Cuz I'm going last.

Why, when scum already know your role?

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:49 pm

In post 2974, pisskop wrote:gdi do you have serious concrns about sensei? You think he wasnt the rolecop or w.e?

No, I think he was rolecopped. That's why I don't understand why he goes last.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:55 pm

This is ridiculous, but ok whatever...

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:56 pm

I am Rauru, Hyrule Body required Cop.

I have a two-night process that will reveal my target's alignment.

During the first night, I create a telepathic link with my target. During the second night, if my target is still alive, I get to reveal their alignment. If my target dies at any time during the process, then the link is broken, and I have to start a new link during the following night.

I targeted PW, and he is town.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:03 pm

In post 2986, Nahdia wrote:did you also get to target someone new last night or will it be until day 4 that you have your next result?

It'll be 2 more night phases before I can get another result, and that's assuming that the target I choose next doesn't get lynched/killed before then.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:30 pm

So who got refilled by Dwlee last night?

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:14 pm

In post 3013, Nahdia wrote:@Xkfyu Probably the corpse

Then who got Roleblocked?

If no one got Roleblocked last night, then Dwlee was probably lying about being Roleblocked in N1.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:25 pm

In post 3031, Sensei wrote:Or scum blocked someone else that was unaffected?

Possibly.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:01 pm

In post 3044, Firebringer wrote:Right now, I am thinking Xkyfu, he seems to be scummish. I had a ping from you, but then I saw your hydra and now I am totally unsure lol

Haven't you at least read what has happened since you joined?

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:08 pm

In post 3047, Sensei wrote:After you guys had it out last day, it's strange to see you share a place on a wagon.

Why would I be voting for her? I said the whole time that the only way I thought she could be scum was if beeboy flipped town.

Xkfyu · Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:10 pm

In post 3048, Firebringer wrote:
In post 3045, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 3044, Firebringer wrote:Right now, I am thinking Xkyfu, he seems to be scummish. I had a ping from you, but then I saw your hydra and now I am totally unsure lol

Haven't you at least read what has happened since you joined?

Of course I have browse. And you ping me the most after Sensei (which is odd cause I was reading the hydra as town)

And you have read my claim?

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:10 am

What the hell?

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:33 am

In post 3053, SirCakez wrote:Nahdia/Fire gg

Could be. I'm starting to suspect Dwlee now too, though.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:40 am

If Zelda can be scum, anyone can be scum. But the missing Roleblock is what's concerning me. It could be the case that they just roleblocked someone that didn't have an action, but it's unlikely, given how many of us did actually go somewhere.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:48 am

In post 3060, Nahdia wrote:wait Sensei you didn't use your commute on Cookies n1 did you? ._.

That's not how Commute works. It just makes the user untargetable for the night.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:51 am

In post 3062, Nahdia wrote:well, I'm pretty sure pisskop IS a flavor cop. on the other hand, we do have him as visiting Dwlee the night he was roleblocked...

Actually, what exactly does a flavor cop get, as far as results go? Just the name of the character, or is it other things?

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:57 am

Pisskop, how much information do you get on your results?

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:30 am

In post 3123, Sensei wrote:
In post 3121, pisskop wrote:do you have one?

Does a cop take a look at beeboy's claim and go "yea let's run up something else"

Or, make cases on people based on beeboy flipping town?

What exactly would be the point of me making cases on people if beeboy flipped town if I knew he wasn't going to flip town?

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:34 am

So? I was talking to you.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:52 am

In post 3129, Nahdia wrote:actually yeah Sensei brings up a REALLY good point. Xkfyu, if you're an alignment cop beeboy should have been essentially confirmed scum to you.

Why? Because there couldn't have possibly been a 1-Shot Cop along with my role which, at best, gets a result every 2 night phases?

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:54 am

In post 3130, Sensei wrote:It's also kinda weird how he's up in arms about there not being two neighbors, but allegedly didn't see cause for alarm with beeboy having an x-shot cop while being a cop himself.

What did you expect me to do?

Even if I was convinced that he couldn't have possibly been a 1-Shot Cop, would you have wanted me to hard CC him so that I would out the only ACTUAL cop we have in the game on D1?

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:00 am

In post 3137, Nahdia wrote:
In post 3133, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 3129, Nahdia wrote:actually yeah Sensei brings up a REALLY good point. Xkfyu, if you're an alignment cop beeboy should have been essentially confirmed scum to you.

Why? Because there couldn't have possibly been a 1-Shot Cop along with my role which, at best, gets a result every 2 night phases?
hey now. if you're gonna say Ari's neighborize that only works Link conflicts with SirCakez 3-member-cap unlimited neighborize then uhh... yeah. this should of been a conflict to u lol

Xkfyu the point is you seemed fairly unsure about Beeboy yourself.

I was, and you know what? I'm not even going to bother explaining it any further because it's very easy to see how a 1-Shot Cop could coexist with my, relatively weak, Cop role.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:00 am

In post 3138, pisskop wrote:
In post 3136, Xkfyu wrote:What did you expect me to do?

You didnt have any suspicions of him? You spent the majority of day 2 waflling over him

You can't be serious.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:05 am

In post 3145, pisskop wrote:
In post 3143, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 3138, pisskop wrote:
In post 3136, Xkfyu wrote:What did you expect me to do?

You didnt have any suspicions of him? You spent the majority of day 2 waflling over him

You can't be serious.

Sorry Im sure I worded that wrong.

You didnt drop any crumbs?

I kinda did when I was talking to Nahdia about how she could possibly know that there isn't anything stronger than beeboy's claimed role, but I wasn't about to do any more than that when beeboy was the likely lynch, regardless, and I had no results. Crumbing would have been dumb.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:08 am

In post 3146, Nahdia wrote:
In post 3142, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 3137, Nahdia wrote:
In post 3133, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 3129, Nahdia wrote:actually yeah Sensei brings up a REALLY good point. Xkfyu, if you're an alignment cop beeboy should have been essentially confirmed scum to you.

Why? Because there couldn't have possibly been a 1-Shot Cop along with my role which, at best, gets a result every 2 night phases?
hey now. if you're gonna say Ari's neighborize that only works Link conflicts with SirCakez 3-member-cap unlimited neighborize then uhh... yeah. this should of been a conflict to u lol

Xkfyu the point is you seemed fairly unsure about Beeboy yourself.

I was, and you know what? I'm not even going to bother explaining it any further because it's very easy to see how a 1-Shot Cop could coexist with my, relatively weak, Cop role.
and yet SirCakez' neighborizer can't co-exist with Ari's very weak neighborizer?

Alignment Cop is inherently a town role. Neighbourizer is not. In fact, it's usually the case that two neighbourizers in the same game are of opposite alignments.

Why do I have to keep explaining this?

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:15 am

In post 3157, Nahdia wrote:
In post 3156, Phoenix Wright wrote:The again, that's a weird lie to come up with so its probably true
i was thinking that as well but it could be a mod-provided fakeclaim.

I've never seen entire roles provided for a fake-claim. Only a character name.

However, that would be pointless in this game since if Zelda can be a scum role, then anyone can be a scum role.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:18 am

In post 3169, Nahdia wrote:@Xkfyu Not games I've been in, but I've read theme games where entire roles are provided.

I've never heard of that, but nothing was provided to beeboy for a fake claim, so I seriously doubt that mod-provided fake claims are being given.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:25 am

In post 3170, Sensei wrote:You can regurgitate this all you want but you've still yet to push cakes based on play.

Two neighbors means 1 is usually scum is fucking awful basis to lynch someone for.

Especially when you've even said in the past that you didn't see scum motive for cakes CCing in the first place?

Then you haven't been paying attention.

In post 3170, Sensei wrote:Your turnaround on dwlee after exclaiming that there's NO WAY his role could be scum.

That's not even close to what I said.

In post 3170, Sensei wrote:You're running out of avenues to push for mislynches and it's blatantly obvious.

So, you don't think there are ANY Cop roles in this Role Madness game?

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:27 am

In post 3174, Phoenix Wright wrote:
In post 3171, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 3169, Nahdia wrote:@Xkfyu Not games I've been in, but I've read theme games where entire roles are provided.

I've never heard of that, but nothing was provided to beeboy for a fake claim, so
I seriously doubt that mod-provided fake claims are being given.

Nobody said that. He just said that it was a possibility

Nahdia was suggesting the possibility of my entire claim was a mod-provided fake claim when that is clearly not the case based on beeboy's fake claim.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:29 am

In post 3177, pisskop wrote:Isnt it almost a right to get a fakeclaim? Unless flavor is not alignment indicative?

Flavor IS NOT alignment indicative. That was proven by beeboy and Cookie's flip.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:33 am

In post 3180, Sensei wrote:
In post 3179, Xkfyu wrote:Then you haven't been paying attention.

Yes, I have.

Well, in that case, you're blatantly misrepresenting me then.

I've talked about how Cakez has jumped at every opportunity to call someone scummy, and I even said the fact that he was actually expecting Zelda to be a scum role is an even better reason to lynch him than the Neighbourizer thing because it suggests that he had knowledge about the role prior to beeboy flipping.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:40 am

In post 3184, Sensei wrote:
In post 3179, Xkfyu wrote:That's not even close to what I said.

You made a fucking multi-paragraph rant about how you didn't think there was anyway that dwlee's role could be scum.

Now you're all "unsure" about him all of a sudden. And bringing up the possibility of him being scum because he wasn't roleblocked sucked.

Here's what I ACTUALLY said, just to set you straight.

In post 2339, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2332, clearance only wrote:
In post 2302, Xkfyu wrote:I'm almost certain that Dwlee is town. Either that, or it was a phenominal fake scum claim, because a Refiller doesn't make sense to me as a scum role.

Why's that?

Assume the Refiller doesn't know anything about anyone's roles, other than there are a bunch of X-Shots in the game.

The whole point of having so many X-Shots scattered everywhere is for the Refiller to have to choose who they want to refill, based on incomplete information. A Town Refiller would have to not only figure out where the PRs are, but also which ones are town (he doesn't want to refill a scum PR), and who actually is in need of a refill.

If the Refiller is Mafia, then there is no incomplete information, and the ideal play, far more often than not, is probably just to refill one of his buddies.

It just doesn't make any sense to me as a scum role. Or it, at least, makes far more sense as a town role than a scum role.

And I'm not doubting him based on the fact that HE wasn't roleblocked, but based on the fact that, unless one of the ones who didn't go anywhere (who could also be scum), that no one was roleblocked. And that makes his "I was roleblocked in N1" claim seem a bit more suspicious.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:41 am

In post 3185, Sensei wrote:
In post 3179, Xkfyu wrote:So, you don't think there are ANY Cop roles in this Role Madness game?

lol

A fucking rolecop already flipped booger brain.

Stop trying to get me to guess the mod. It's not gonna work.

What the fuck does this have to do with my push on you anyway?

Don't play dumb. You know that I meant an actual Town Alignment Cop.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:43 am

In post 3188, Sensei wrote:Where did he say that he expected zelda to be a scum role?

See, you aren't paying attention. I have talked about that very recently.

In post 2799, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2307, SirCakez wrote:I neighborized the Bakers last night as they said.
I was thinking overnight that the theme of the game is we are rescuing Zelda from Ganondorf right? So why would Zelda be town?
I want to lynch Beeboy today coming from that. Also his claim is shaky as hell now.

I'm pretty sure that Cakez was bussing based on that Zelda comment.

Plus, the Neighbourizer thing.

VOTE: SirCakez

In post 2813, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 2811, clearance only wrote:
In post 2809, Xkfyu wrote:Two Neighbourizers usually suggests that one is town and one is scum, and we have already seen a town Neighbourizer flip.

And I've already explained why this reasoning is complete ass.

Didn't I tell you that I don't care what you think?

Besides, the fact that he was expecting the Zelda role to be scum is even better anyways.

The second one was even in response to something that you said. You telling me you don't remember it with as much as you are paying attention?

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:44 am

In post 3190, SirCakez wrote:
In post 3187, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 3180, Sensei wrote:
In post 3179, Xkfyu wrote:Then you haven't been paying attention.

Yes, I have.

Well, in that case, you're blatantly misrepresenting me then.

I've talked about how Cakez has jumped at every opportunity to call someone scummy, and I even said the fact that he was actually expecting Zelda to be a scum role is an even better reason to lynch him than the Neighbourizer thing because it suggests that he had knowledge about the role prior to beeboy flipping.

This is terrible lol
I was suggesting that Zelda was probably a fakeclaim. I didn't expect that Zelda was actually scum.

And that's actually just an outright lie.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:48 am

In post 3196, Sensei wrote:
In post 3192, Xkfyu wrote:Don't play dumb. You know that I meant an actual Town Alignment Cop.

You're misrepping my push on you as "i don't believe that there's a town alignment cop" which I think would be perfectly feasible if your play lined up with that claim whatsoever.

That wasn't me saying that that's why you were pushing me. That was me just asking you a question.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:52 am

In post 3198, Sensei wrote:Cakes fucking vote for Xk already.

No, don't ignore the completely reasonable things I've said and just keep trying to push my lynch. Respond.

Why is Cakez now lying about expecting Zelda to be a scum role, and why are you ignoring it?

Why didn't you remember me mentioning very early in this day phase, even though you continuously talk about how much you are paying attention?

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:55 am

In post 3206, SirCakez wrote:If Xk is town this is some of the worst town play I've ever seen tbh.
If this flips town we lynch PK tomorrow for sure though
VOTE: xkfyu

You know I'm going to flip town don't you? That's why you said that first sentence, right?

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:58 am

In post 3205, Nahdia wrote:i read Cakez' statement in the way he just claimed actually. i don't know why you're so sure that's a lie.

Because it's very clear that he wasn't talking about a fake claim. He used it as a reason to vote beeboy.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 9:08 am

Yeah, I'm down with that.

UNVOTE: SirCakez

VOTE: pisskop

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 9:26 am

In post 3242, Sensei wrote:I think phoenix and fire both haven't.

So nahdia could BG phoenix while pisskop flavor cops him and then tomorrow considering everything's all hunky dory PK claims what Phoenix's ability name is. And then go from there essentially.

I haven't claimed mine either.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 9:31 am

I'm fine with pisskop investigating either me or PW, since I know we are both town.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 9:32 am

In post 3249, SirCakez wrote:He needs to target someone who's probably town though. So not another Investigative claim. Sensei is a good choice.

Phoenix should be the pick, then. Regardless of what you think my actual alignment is, you gotta believe that PW is town.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:40 am

In post 3271, Dwlee99 wrote:I was reading the rest before I was gonna say. Okay so xkyfu reads as scummy and I think his role claim was really weird cause of the way his cop works and I think someone said something about it only being 1-shot though which could make sense cause of my role.

I think it was pisskop, but he wasn't saying that I was a 1-Shot cop, he said it was basically like a 1-Shot Cop, since the chances of me getting more than 1 result is pretty unlikely.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 10:42 am

In post 3203, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 3198, Sensei wrote:Cakes fucking vote for Xk already.

No, don't ignore the completely reasonable things I've said and just keep trying to push my lynch. Respond.

Why is Cakez now lying about expecting Zelda to be a scum role, and why are you ignoring it?

Why didn't you remember me mentioning very early in this day phase, even though you continuously talk about how much you are paying attention?

Sensei.

Xkfyu · Sun Mar 20, 2016 11:50 am

In post 3307, Sensei wrote:
In post 186, Xkfyu wrote:
In post 74, clearance only wrote:
In post 48, Mirhawk wrote:/Trying to look town

Unvote
Vote: Cleavage

Hi Mirhawk.
Pretty weak vote you've got there.
Welcome to the scumpile.

There have been a lot of weak votes, especially around the time that this was posted. Hell, I didn't even give a reason with my vote on Davsto.

Why are you singling out Mirhawk? Is it simply because his weak vote is on you?

In post 103, beeboy wrote:
In post 101, Phoenix Wright wrote:
In post 97, beeboy wrote:No it isn't PW is terrible atm lol.

VOTE: PW

How am I terrible?

You need to take a step back and realize just because someone is pressuring you it doesn't make them scum.
That is if you are town.

The bold part kinda sounds forced to me. Like he thought he needed to put that disclaimer in there, just to make sure everyone knew that he didn't know his Phoenix's alignment.

In post 108, beeboy wrote:
In post 106, Phoenix Wright wrote:He's not scum for tunneling me. He's scum because it sounds like all of his reasons for why he says that he thinks I'm scum are horrible and seem insincere

Whether or not I agree with that your reaction to the claims is much, much worse.

Translation: "You're right, but I don't want to say so, because that's going to make my case that your reaction was terrible."

VOTE: beeboy

In post 150, beeboy wrote:
In post 146, Nahdia wrote:beeboy is your V key broken or something???

Actually PW that unvote was awkward as hell. Scum push town all the time lmfao. That felt like such an lame excuse to unvote.....................

No
V

Then what are you doing?

This is almost directly after toog and mirhawk caught on to beeboy.

Tell this doesn't look like a panic bus.

I mean just look at what he needed to scrap for to make it seem like he wasn't just sheeping the wagon.

It doesn't look anything like that. There is no reason to be worried about panic bussing my buddy when we were less than 200 posts into the game.

You. Are. Reaching.