(1765) Star Wars: The Force Awakens [D5]

[Venmar]

saw trollie act dumb about setup before, i wouldnt consider it alignment indicative

[Venmar]

Back from Vegas. I'll read up and give me thoughts in a bit. Maybe.

[Venmar]

Trying to catch-up atm

At Page 4, a couple thoughts:

~ Camn trying to out-wit the mod about the mechanic is like wtf why?
~ Why has nobody seemingly talked about the fact snowman claimed hated
~ Generally agree with the suspicions on Aneninen
~ People tried too hard to make substance out of air for the RVS, like chill

[Venmar]

Holy fuck can we all just stop making wall posts where there are like 50 quotes you are giving one line responses to? They are fucking awful and I struggle digesting them. I don't care what you think about every single thing said, just compact your thoughts into well-made concise posts please, thanks

[Venmar]

Mostly caught up now.

Not sure what to think other than that I think Trollie is OK, and that a lot of the suspicion on him looks like confirmation-bias based on that really odd scumread people put on him based on his first post.

My gut tells me to go with Aneninem, I haven't liked almost all of his posts.

VOTE: Aneninem

I think a lot of people here are

trying

to scumhunt but :shrug: I feel like they're just grasping and nitpicking a lot of the time.

[Venmar]

I am also not a big fan of Camn advocating any kind of a massclaim. It shouldn't even be discussed this early unless she has a reason to. Would like to hear a concise reason from her as to why she thinks it's a good idea and what prompted her to propose it in the first place.

Snarky's hated claim is also something I want to test but I know a lot of you won't be willing to do that. A Hated claim is grounds for a policy lynch/test a lot of the time since town or not they're dangerous to leave alive lategame in fear of scum quickhammers and because it's an easy claim scum can attempt to hide behind and say "NO WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING DON'T VOTE ME AHHHHHHHHHH"

[Venmar]

As to why? I come from a generation of gamebreakers. Maybe things are different now. But Reck is from the same crop- and almost certainly we should break this setup open before the end of the game.

~ That may be so, though Reck does strike me to be a mod who would design a wacky or well made enough setup so as his game wouldn't be easily broken or out-witted.

That said, I have sat on this information since before Day 1 even started and I think I need to say it now sooner than later because if I don't, I think I might die with it before I do.

@EVERYONE

- I have had access to a Night 0 Census. I have been told that there are

8

Town Win Cons in the game and

5

non-town win conditions.

[Venmar]

If you die we won't know who your neighbor is cause you didn't say who it is smart guy

[Venmar]

You guys need to chill the fuck out, I haven't even woke up to visit the threat and two wagons are already l-2

can we please talk about fucking snowman

[Venmar]

Just caught up; leaning on Trollie being in the right here,

@TheTrollie

- Can you perform the role you performed last night every single night?

[Venmar]

No. Fuck off venmar.

We are lynching Aeronaut today; no questions.

Wow fuck you too buddy, how about you give me a reason to believe you before you act like I should take you for granted

[Venmar]

WE ARE NOT LEASHING A SERIAL KILLER

Vote: Aeronaut

[Venmar]

I'm sorry Aeronaut

But leashing a Serial Killer is just so dangerous for town most of the time, especially since this game might still have 3 scum.

[Venmar]

Oh I didn't know that was hammer actually, but in reality I don't feel bad if it was.

[Venmar]

venmar
you aint done shit. gj.

Thanks I don't really care?

[Venmar]

Oh I didn't know that was hammer actually, but in reality I don't feel bad if it was.

Yea, so Venmar for group scum?

???

[Venmar]

People asking for Aero's reads list as if his win con compels him to help town >.>

[Venmar]

You have me in null AND scumlite, not that I care where you put me. Or as if there was any scum motivation in me revealing my census but ok

[Venmar]

i hope youre town because i like being condescending to people who are just outright terribly wrong during postgame.

are you trying to be a lower-case typing ass on purpose?

[Venmar]

abhorrently wrong? what the fuck am I wrong about? I want to hang the serial killer.

[Venmar]

To elaborate: ScumVenmar is trying to do whatever he can to lynch this serial killer so that I don't kill him or one of his buddies tonight.

You're right. This is me right now:

[Venmar]

i might stop being rude if people start being damn reasonable and let the cycle play out.
im not horrified by the idea of an aero lynch.
quicklynches are shit though.
especially when there are things to discuss!
and im a fresh replacement with a fresh face that is worth poking/picking at.

Oh, oh, oh! Look guys! He complained about quicklynches and wants a lot of discussion! Give him brownie points!

[Venmar]

For the record I have no problem Aero saying his peace, i'm just confused as to why Gork was desperate for it. I mean, if Aero doesn't understand why I, from a town perspective, can't trust a serial killer, then there's nothing more to say between him and me.

[Venmar]

Eh Gorkington is probably town, it's what my gut demands of me.

As far as Snowman I really do think he's coasting scum at the moment, his hated claim is still bothering me and we probably should have tested it long time ago.

[Venmar]

@Wolf

Who are you leaning towards lynching, Camn or Aero

[Venmar]

I'm sure Snowman will just blunder quickhammer whoever we put at L-1 btw.

[Venmar]

This is scum right here.

Though I agree gork is very likely town.

LMAOOOOO

[Venmar]

We should still lynch Aero first. He's just going to shoot me and town will lose another player.

[Venmar]

Lyncher is such a stupid role, I hope Reckful did not it in this game.

For the record, Reckful did say that this game is not bastard, Lyncher is a role that is considered bastard by quite a few players.

And why is RC possibly being a lyncher matter? It's unlikely and if he actually is we still kill a non-town as his target is probably non town anyways?

[Venmar]

Like, the guy leaves the game if he wins. It's counter-productive to waste a lynch on him if we believe his lynchee to be non-town

[Venmar]

Some lynchers win the game if they lynch someone

Most lynchers ive seen are third party and leave the game if they win, but dont end the game

[Venmar]

Unvote

Vote: Camn

I'm considering this right now since I find myself agreeing with Trollie a lot. If we're to lynch either a SK or a Mafia, then maybe lynching the scum today and hoping the SK does a pro-town kill in the night might be slightly more beneficial, it's just very unsettling for me to leave a claimed SK alive for a night.

Aeronaut, don't shoot me in the night, for the love of god.

[Venmar]

You're going on vacation for a

week.

This day expires in around the same amount of time. I doubt any of us want to sit around waiting for you; give us a reason for why we shouldn't lynch you or say your peace.

[Venmar]

Ok

[Venmar]

...what? You're just telling us why Aero is a better lynch than you, you're not even explicitly saying why you

shouldn't

be lynched, you're even implying you should be shot if we don't lynch Aero

I don't get it

[Venmar]

Then claim now?

[Venmar]

omg fuck this game

unvote

im gonna go get drunk and think it over before i give another fuck

[Venmar]

i dont buy it, i don't buy that aero just forgot some crucial part of his role

fuck dat

[Venmar]

I dont think Aero can be what he claims cause we already have a dead traitor

[Venmar]

I have full intent to hammer Aero if he's L-1 atm

[Venmar]

He's L-2 if my count is correct.

Can we please just lynch him. The guy obviously is not town aligned and I don't buy anything he has said

[Venmar]

Okay so this is when we scrutinize Snowman for his hated claim

Vote: SnarkySnowman

[Venmar]

@Trollie

Did you get a result last night

[Venmar]

vote: venmar

sk hunting time.
guess who overdid the whole "NEVER TRUST A SERIAL KILLER" bit?

Lol me, who wasn't fooled by a scum claiming to be a SK? Also if I was a SK, wouldn't I want Aero to live that day so that his fakeclaim wasn't fooled..? This is also coming from (you) the dude who was townreading me in the first place.

[Venmar]

You have to understand we can't let you live even if you're town since you'll get quicklynched by scum/third parties if you're actually Hated.

[Venmar]

Actually i'll

Unvote

For now.

[Venmar]

I'm more curious as to how it's a pure coincidence that Aeronaut fake-claimed SK and now that his buddy got shot it seems like a possibility. How could he have known? There were 2 kills on N1 but he could've assumed a Vig.

xRECKONERx

- How come we are told the roles of dead town players and the traitor but not the roles of the dead scum? Are they goons?

[Venmar]

I might as well also claim my flavour name;

Lt. Connix

. With the exception of my Night 0 census, I am a more or less a Vanilla Townie.

[Venmar]

I'm also confused since I can't think of a character from A Force Awakens that could be a Serial Killer, everyone is more or less a good guy or a bad guy. Nor do I think is there any more baddies than just the First Order so I doubt multiball. I think one of the remaining non-townies is a non-killing third party, maybe a survivor or something, the last is either General Krux, the only major First Order baddie not flipped yet, or a SK?

[Venmar]

Tails was suspicious of Trollie and Wolf before being killed off N1, I won't dismiss the latter considering I don't see much reason why the guy got shot in the first place.

[Venmar]

@xreck

Thanks baby

[Venmar]

How do we know this

[Venmar]

Nvm he probably claimed that kill, i need to iso

[Venmar]

Okay cool, cause I was gonna say he claimed the ami kill but Tails makes sense.

[Venmar]

How are you unsure about me, I recall you calling me town several times in the past.

[Venmar]

Your strongest town read thinks that I am the SK yet you are pretty sure I am not a SK...?

Come on Trollie

[Venmar]

Maybe if you parrot that idea enough it will stick

[Venmar]

do you have anything better to say than just being condescending?

well have our quirks don't we gorko

[Venmar]

i already full-claimed btw so :shrug:

[Venmar]

C3PO isn't really hated either, he's silly but useful so the flavour doesn't convince me 100% of him being hated

[Venmar]

[Venmar]

I mean I'm just sitting here on the sidelines waiting to do something but we got dudes refusing to show up.

[Venmar]

I'd rather not, it sounds like a pointless discussion. They fucked up, no need to confuse ourselves with speculation.

[Venmar]

Can we all agree however that today's lynch should be either Snowman or Lonewolf?

[Venmar]

Also I do think there's at least 1 First Order in the game, either General Hux or Captain Phasma. I can believe a 3 member mafia with a Traitor that could defect to the town considering town does seem to have a lot of power with the tracker, kylo/snoke cop, my census, etc. I just can't fucking figure out who the 5th non-town is. If it's a SK, I can't think of a flavour character for that.

[Venmar]

Not getting a guilty on Phasma or Hux seems like the drawback to your role so yeah I do think there's at least one mafiaso left.

[Venmar]

That said, if we think Snowman is actually town hated, he doesn't necesarily have to be lynched since a scum and a SK wouldn't be able to coordinate a quickhammer tomorrow. I don't think he's town though since his claim isn't sound and I never trust hated claims. He's also been active lurking all game, quickhammered Day 1, and is an all around suspicious Mfer.

[Venmar]

Here's the interactions I dug up between

Aeronaut

and

Snarky

:

Aeronaut has made several "Reads Lists" where he nicely organized what he thought about everyone.

In his very first list, he has Snarky as Leaning Town, saying that he doesn't think scum would claim hated, and he's very clear that he trusts Snarky on this one. He reaffirms this in his second list, though basically just rehashes his thoughts about the claim. Except, this time he casts doubt on it after I, beautiful Venmar, cast doubt on Snarky's claim during Day 1. Aero all of the sudden alters his opinion and says he's willing to test Snarky way on down the road.

Day 2, Aero made a third list, where now Snarky was dropped down into Null. I think this is significant because he made this list after we caught him on not being a member of the town. All of the sudden he dropped Snarky down into null from leaning town. His fourth and last reads list appears identical to his first with a couple corrections.

This kind of depends on how people believe scum players treat their partners. Some townread their partners, some scumread them, some null read them. A lot however just don't interact with their partner a lot of the time regardless. Since we have 2 dead scum, we can look at Aero's interaction with Camn as well. Interestingly enough, Aeronaut, in all of his reads lists, listed Camn as either leaning scum or just outright scum, so he was definitely distancing himself from his partner all game. That said, I don't think he'd hard distance himself from both partners, so I kind of doubt that his other heavy scum reads are the 3rd scum. Matter of fact is that I do think Snarky could be a

scum

due to the way Aeronaut's read on him was super awkward and fluctuated the more others shed their opinions on Snarky and Aero's read on him.

As for Camn's interaction with Snowman

I can only find

one

instance where camn even mentions Snarky, and that's this one, where she basically gives a very fency, wish washy opinion on Snarky's hated claim. She definitely null-reads him and casts suspicion on him yet as far as I can tell she never mentions him ever again.

---

So Aeronaut and Camn both basically had Snarky as null. I don't blame them for doing so, I bet most people had the guy as such for the most part, he barely posts, but an opinion on the guy based on his claim could have been formulated, and for the most part I do think they were both pretty cagey about talking about Snowman in the first place.

Then there's the lynch wagons. Camn and Snarky have been on both. Moot point, sure, I'm more interested in Snarky's read on Camn. During day 1, he lists Camn as town in this post, yet at the same time sounds extremely fence-sittish, especially in regards to Camns relation to RC. He mentions the read in some capacity again here, basically saying the same thing, though no longer pointing out that Camn might be town. His reads on Camn have been pretty wish washy to say the least. Oh yeah, and Snarky never even mentions Aeronaut until he's ready to finally jump the bandwagon at the very end of the game.

^ What I think is the most interesting however is that Camn never addressed Snarky, ever, about making these reads and connections on her and RC. She was a talkative player so it makes you think that he'd at least mention it but no, Camn never had an interaction with Snarky about this at all, at least not that I can find. Combined with the fact that Snarky never wanted to committ to a Camn vote or scumread, and Camn's overlook of Snarky's read here, I think it might be a scum-scum interaction.

I mainly just looked at Aero's reads lists and stuff like votes, I'll look at direct interactions later, but I definitely think there is a cause to be argued that the read interactions had between Snarky and the two dead scum is suspicious to say the least.

[Venmar]

Camn's interaction with Snarky and vice versa is what I think is the most compelling. It's very distanced and awkward both ways.

[Venmar]

I ISO'd Aero's actual interactions with Snarky. I got this:

#279 - Aeronaut near the bottom seems to disagree or be confused about Snarky being a prime vigilante target? Doesn't want the guy dead
#286 - Asks Snarky to post more. Pretty null interaction overall.
#287 - Criticises wolf yet again about wanting Snarky to be vig target. Aero has seemed to indirectly/chainsaw defended Snarky twice now in non-read list posts.
#657 - Inconsistent post where he entertains the idea of Snarky being a possible member of the scumteam, despite indirectly defending him twice and having him as town/lean town/and null in his reads lists.

All in all I think both of the dead scum have inconsistent and awkard interactions with Snarky. I saw several posts by other players at the same time where people (such as Lonewolf and TheTrollie)

have

made concrete reads on Snarky, but seemingly, not them.

[Venmar]

Amihan was a traitor, he didn't know who his partners were?

[Venmar]

My Reads list

Probably scum: Snarky

Possible Scum / Non-town: Gorkington and Lonewofl

Null: Eagle and Keyser

Town: Trollie and Me

I still think Gorkington SK-hunting and attacking me about it was super fucking weird and I don't think Trollie should give him a pass.

[Venmar]

since when do traitors not know who their partners are?

Because Traitors knowing who their partners are is not necesarilly the standard form of the role. I have seen Traitors not knowing the mafia team more often than them not knowing.

Also, Reckoner clearly said that Amihen had a way to defect to town

IF HE COULD DEFECT TO THE FUCKING TOWN AND KNOW WHO HIS PARTNERS ARE THAT'D BE THE MOST STUPID FUCKING ROLE EVER DEVISED AND THE MAFIA WOULD LOSE RIGHT THERE AND THEN

[Venmar]

im glad your read on me is essentially "lol im not even trying anymore"

discredit

[Venmar]

I didn't even say that you are a SK, jut "not-town". You attacked me for a weak reason that clearly nobody shares with you.

I also think your interaction with Aeronaut and your boner for defending him and delaying his lynch is also super weird

[Venmar]

Am i being a dick to you?

[Venmar]

I'm the guy that first called you the lower case typing ass so you were clearly being a dick to me in some capacity to begin with :/

[Venmar]

Look, I think that this post:

vote: venmar

sk hunting time.
guess who overdid the whole "NEVER TRUST A SERIAL KILLER" bit?

Is Gorkington electing to attack me because I'm an easy target to single out because I was extremely vocal last day about not wanting to trust a SK. There is A) Nothing wrong with my mindset, and B) If I was a SK I'm pretty sure that letting Aero live the day would have been in my best interests since keeping Aero's fakeclaim under wraps keeps people guessing and believing he's the SK and not me. Me pushing his lynch as a SK would have warranted me with nothing but the risk of what Gorkington is doing now. So not only do I think that Gork's reason for voting me doesn't make much sense, but I also think that "SK Hunting" is very silly and people who selectively hunt types of non-town factions are pretty meh. Gork wanting to keep the focus on a SK hunt would take the focus off of looking for the last mafia player or for hunting for non-towns, which is more productive.

Now if you, Gork, can't understand that, then I feel sorry for you.

[Venmar]

sure.
im chewbacca.
1-shot vig.
i shot camn.

thats why im so confident theres a third party or groupscum because bulge didnt use his shot n1 and two deaths.

w-

Okay explain to me why you believe there is a SK 100%. Where is the 3rd kill. Why were there 2 kills N1

[Venmar]

Where is the 3rd kill.

N2

[Venmar]

p-edit: use your brain venmar.

I want your answer man not mine, I obviously have my own theory. Stop belittling me

[Venmar]

W-wh- no you didn't.

[Venmar]

Also for the record I don't think it's multiball based on Amihan's Traitor flip; based on flavour, Finn was a member of the First Order, which is the red mafia. Have none of you seen the fucking movie?

[Venmar]

GORK YOU SAID YOU KILLED CAMN NIGHT 2. THATS FINE. I AM ASKING WHY WEREN'T THERE 3 KILL, IN YOUR OPINION? IF THERES A MAFIA, YOUR SHOT, AND A SK, WHY DO YOU THINK THERE ARENT 3 KILLS?

[Venmar]

ON NIGHT 2. I dont care about N1 anymore

[Venmar]

What could you possible have, any reason you're teasing us

[Venmar]

It's Okay.

[Venmar]

I already full-claimed so no point popcorning to me. My role is

N0 Census Taker

. All I got was a census before the game began. I have more or less functioned as a Vanilla Townie from the second the game started barring my info. My character is

Lt. Connix.

Alternatively Venmar is a god at fakeclaiming and townplay and there's not even 5 scum (sketch as hell balance even for reck. We could be at 3 town- 4scum or something crazy if game had played diff)

Well, I am, I

am

a God.

[Venmar]

Also, for the record, Unkar Plutt, the guy that Eagle claimed to be is this guy:



This guy isn't necessarily a good guy and in the movie he tried to rob BB-8 from Rey,

presumably

because he knew the First Order had a reward for him.

[Venmar]

But yeah Eagle's claim is wtf. Both of his blocks are dead, it's a bit silly.

[Venmar]

I mean C3PO and Unkar Plutt are pretty poor fakeclaims considering R2D2 and BB8 have both not been claimed yet. Leia was probably a fakeclaim for one of the dead scum, maybe one of R2 and BB8 the actual fakeclaim of the other, but idk.

[Venmar]

I think with Eagle's claim the massclaim is over now btw.

Trollie what did you have to say.

[Venmar]

Oh I forgot about Keyser :/

[Venmar]

I will be honest, I stared at Trollie's post about Snarky's slip for a solid fuckin 5 minutes trying to figure out why it was a slip and not a typo until my grasp of the English language finally snapped back in. I feel very dumb.

[Venmar]

I'm curious what Trollie's map ability is

[Venmar]

If I get the map I can take a second census, but then the map is redistributed randomly.

[Venmar]

I'm ready to lynch Snowman as well

I'd be interested in putting him on L-2 and then L-1 and waiting for a VC before "hammering". Might as well test his claim?

[Venmar]

Vote: Snarky

If he's hated he should be dead now.

[Venmar]

Still not lying, still didn't do anything during the night.

[Venmar]

As far as I am concerned the scum is in Eagle, Keyser and Lone.

Also, for the record, I do not consider C3PO to be a hateable character Reckoner!

[Venmar]

I think we should lynch Eagle. Who's with me.

[Venmar]

Holy fuck I am restraining myself from being rude right now but I cannot fucking believe that you idiots think there's 2 mafia players left. SPOILER ALERT, I DON'T THINK A 4-MAN MAFIA WITH A 5TH TRAITOR IS BALANCED OR OK.

[Venmar]

BIG QUESTION SMART GUYS:

WHERE DID THE SECOND NIGHT-KILL COME FROM ON NIGHT 1 IF GORK WAS ONLY 1-SHOT? WHERE DID THAT KILL GO N2?

SPOILER ALERT, NOT POSSIBLE WITHOUT SK OR SUCH SO STOP HUNTING INERACTIOSN THAT PROBABLY DONT EXIST

[Venmar]

Only person I think is town is Trollie. Everybody else is fair game in my eyes, including wolf.

[Venmar]

I think the Gork kill does point to Eagle being not-town, since Gork was leaning on thinking Keyser was town and was leaning on Eagle being scum.

[Venmar]

Also, since I think all of your map abilities suck ass, I would like my map back for that second census if there is another day after this.

[Venmar]

I kind of just want to get this game over with honestly at this point, it's hurting my brain. From my point of view, since only three of us are town, and I know I am town, and I think Trollie is town, a lynch our of wolf/key/eagle has a 66% chance of being a non-town lynch! If we are to take Wolf's claim at full-face value, then a lynch between key and eagle should have a 100% success rate on lynching someone who isn't town!

We lose if we don't lynch a non-town so idk.

Also, my case on Snarky using aero and camn interactions looks stupid af now but what can ya do.

[Venmar]

what

[Venmar]

You want your map back? are you suggesting you've had it before?

Yes, I started the game with the map (I'm a role that in a way has a "map" of the setup afterall) and gave it to you N1.

Just caught up; leaning on Trollie being in the right here,

@TheTrollie

- Can you perform the role you performed last night every single night?

This post is me trying to as softly as possible discern on D2 if your power was the result of you performing a map boosted ability from me or not.

[Venmar]

sigh

you expect me to believe that you just realized that and haven't revealed that until now why?

[Venmar]

like what the fuck is this then

unfortunately I kinda believe Eagle so I guess we lynch Key or Venmar

like, as far as i am concerned, you just pulled something out of your ass

[Venmar]

@Reckoner

- If you can answer this question, is there any functional difference for a role getting "No Result" and "Not Guilty"?

[Venmar]

@Reckoner

- If you can answer this question, is there any functional difference for a role getting "No Result" and "Not Guilty"?

@Reckoner

- To rephrase the question, if a role that receives results back, such as a variation of a cop, would they be able to distinguish based on their result if they were roleblocked or not?. Basically, does being blocked produce a result different from just getting a negative result? (In the case of a Cop, "No Result" over "Not Guilty")

[Venmar]

Okay whatever, I'm prepared to just take a leap of faith and vote Eagle here

[Venmar]

I'm just curious, who did you pass the map to Trollie.

(I'm probably going to vote Eagle soon :/)

[Venmar]

I feel like that's impossible to answer without catching up?

[Venmar]

LMAO

That was cute, very cute

[Venmar]

No i'm not scum, your PoE is wrong

[Venmar]

I don't know, probably Keyser, but you're not redeeming your slot yourself.

[Venmar]

I actually think eagle or lone are more likely to flip scum over Keyser atm, idk.

[Venmar]

Sue me

Vote: Dwlee

[Venmar]

As far as I am concerned this day should be about you two convincing me, the townie, that you're town because one of you ain't town and the other is.

[Venmar]

1. Who has the map? I didn't get it.

I'm torn, but Keyser should really post.

[Venmar]

Leaning that it's Keyser atm. Based on Eagle's interactions with Wolf and Keyser, I think Wolf scumreading eagle for most of the game wouldn't be a go-to strategy if they're a part of just a two-man scumteam. I think it's more likely that a two-man scumteam would null or townread each other. For that, since wolf has been scumreading eagle a lot, and eagle has been lukewarm about Keyser for most of the game (in #147 he even wanted others to help him read him), I want to say that wolf is the most likely to be town here and keyser the scum.

That said, what I think might be the most telling is Eagle's replacement, Dwlee? Last day LyLo, town would have lost if a townie was lynched. I firmly believe that Dwlee probably tried to townread his partner and sway a wagon onto a townie. BECAUSE OF THIS, I don't think Dwlee would have voted for Wolf if Wolf was scum because that's a game-throwing idea in LyLo I feel. He townread Keyser (and Trollie, duuuh), and tried to sneak a vote onto me or wolf, which makes a lot of sense if wolf is town as last day was LyLo. Going off of scum mindset, I think Dwlee's mindset was quite resemblant of a scum LyLo strategy.

Also, I don't think BB8 is much of a watcher.

[Venmar]

I mean, Dwelee championing a Wolf lynch during LyLo is super telling imo, I just can't see scum trying to champion their partner's lynch in LyLo. To top it all of Keyser didn't vote last day, abstaining from hanging his potential partner.

[Venmar]

I guess I'll just post here without voting to prove I'm town thanks

[Venmar]

What was the trump card you were talking about wolf

[Venmar]

Okay fuck it, I'm sorry I don't see myself changing minds here.

Vote: Keyser

[Venmar]

Phew

All me ladies and gentlemen, it's all in the negan pic

[Venmar]

I had a nightmare where wolf said "silly Venmar, MWAHAHAHAHAH"

It was a very bad nightmare.

[Venmar]

you lowercase typing ass

[Venmar]

I will accept any and all scummy nominations btw for my emmaculate performance