Mini 1771 - Legend of Zelda Mafia: Storm the Castle Endgame

[Sensei]

We're both actual player people.

[Sensei]

heh

[Sensei]

Nahdia has done literally zero scum hunting and even said earlier that they happy to just sheep you all day. Feels like she's just coasting through the game and not trying to lynch scum.

I think that she actually has hunted in some places. The only thing bugging me is that I felt a bit of position-y-ness with her vote on toog. Might be a dwlee buddy - but at the same time I can't really imagine Nahdia forgetting having a negative stance on dwlee on a couple occasions if they're buddies, so that's probably moot in hindsight. The push on Xk wasn't bad. Could be an echo of my and others thoughts there or something. It felt real enough, though. There also was a post that I kinda liked where she said something along the lines of "why not shoot someone besides Ari first and that way we can react accordingly to the flip and then lynch ari."
It is kinda lining-up-kills a bit and sorta weird to say when she was a bit against killing ari in the first place, but I sorta think that comes from a town mindset.

What she should do is give some reads so we can gauge where her head is at completely because there is actually leaps here and there in progression in places but I see that from uninvested town about as often as I see scum tbh.

Now, my question is if you've read dwlee's iso? And if you have please tell me which of the two has done more scumhunting this game. And which looks more fake-able.

[Sensei]

You should take that as a compliment.

Well, I don't. So, why?

Cuz I think you're scum?

[Sensei]

Did you miss the part where the only reason we didn't lynch him day 1 was because of his cop claim?

[Sensei]

Reasonssssss?

[Sensei]

I don't think anyone is arguing that if beeboy's scum he's not getting bussed here. In fact that's clearly a given.

[Sensei]

VOTE: NAHDIA

I AM LIVIIIID!!

[Sensei]

YOU GUYS CAN'T READ I FUCKING SAID WE NEED TO NOT LET RADJA SLOT LURK OUT YET ANOTHER DAY AND WHAT THE FUCK DO WE DO? FUCKING HAMMER WITH TWO WEEKS LEFT YEA NO

[Sensei]

p-edit: sensei talk to me. what's up m8?

GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON WHY I SHOULDN'T LYNCH YOU TODAY

[Sensei]

Ohh guys, btw I don't know if previous guy claimed this. But I am gladiator, and I am really itching to use this since first time I got it.
Probably should read more of the game before doing so tho lol

Please do not use your gladiator. tia.

At least not yet.

[Sensei]

lol has phantom made one post in the hydra? xD

He made quite a few posts actually.

[Sensei]

Fire what's your flavor?

[Sensei]

I think there's a decent chance PW could be scum. Sensei look at the VCA I did in the neighborhood with Titus.

I did but I'm having trouble remembering your reasons help me out?

[Sensei]

Fire what's your flavor?

^
And are there any other parts to your role?

[Sensei]

so am i claiming now or

Not yet.

[Sensei]

You see I'd rather fire go first because he's being dodgy about fully claiming and just disappeared somewhere.

[Sensei]

Could I get the short and skinny on your PW read?

[Sensei]

And also cakes was there another aspect of your role you didn't claim yet or am I remembering wrong?

[Sensei]

Do you lose it in lylo/mylo?

[Sensei]

What do you think my role is?

[Sensei]

What do you think my role is?

cakes

[Sensei]

Don't even want to guess?

Also where oh where did firebringer go?

[Sensei]

Phoenix was in the center of the beeboy wagon which is where bussing scum would be

So PW is scum because scum would be in the middle when bussing because reasons?

I'm sad that people still do VCA this way.

[Sensei]

And you're just a gladiator nothing else?

[Sensei]

OKAY NAHDIA GO YOUR TURN QUICKLY NOW

[Sensei]

And you're just a gladiator nothing else?

No, but I don't want to reveal my other mechanic.

..........................

[Sensei]

My abilities have 0 flavor

[Sensei]

Ok.

Why haven't you used your BG?

[Sensei]

Also Firebringer to be more explicit - please claim your other mechanic.

[Sensei]

There's only 3 people who haven't claimed.

[Sensei]

4 if you count me i guess but scum know my role already

[Sensei]

Phoenix is town.

[Sensei]

Phoenix why track me N1?

[Sensei]

Your turn Xk.

[Sensei]

I buy it.

[Sensei]

Why aren't you claiming?

[Sensei]

Cuz I'm going last.

[Sensei]

Scum *probably* know my role.

[Sensei]

I mean, I don't understand what the big conundrum is - but him wanting me to claim first is making me want to not claim first all the more.

In other words I'm a stubborn sob.

[Sensei]

Wait pisskop did you claim doublevoter?

[Sensei]

What's your claim then?

[Sensei]

was talking to nadhia


Im talon

So you're just a doublevoter then?

[Sensei]

I'm the running man. 1 shot lynchproof, 1 shot commuter.

[Sensei]

you used the commute yet?

[Sensei]

pisskop/nahdia?

[Sensei]

Why is nobody talking about dwlee?

[Sensei]

@Sensei I feel like he's town.

How come?

[Sensei]

he didnt lie sensei?

Dude, ZELDA was scum. Flavor is NAI.

[Sensei]

Yea he claimed cop.

[Sensei]

Because that's basically no-lynching when we don't need to?

[Sensei]

Like, I appreciate the paranoia and everything but let's get real here. I'm town.

[Sensei]

Rauru.

3dice has hipster taste in sages.

[Sensei]

pisskop where's your vote at?

[Sensei]

probs fire/cake/maybe nadi.


Im really not sure about dwlee

Not bad. Except I'm probably not lynching cakes today.

Me either honestly. It would really super help if he actually did something readable, though.

I don't understand why we're writing off the refiller claim as town anyway considering he hasn't proven it yet and it's also practical as a scum role as well as town. Plus we've got flipped scum with a 1-shot ability on the first flip.

[Sensei]

Or scum blocked someone else that was unaffected?

[Sensei]

Firebringer please claim the other part of your role.

[Sensei]

Why not?

[Sensei]

We have ways of making you talk.

[Sensei]

Have you read the game or nah?

[Sensei]

Yea.

[Sensei]

Who's scum?

[Sensei]

Xk, why aren't you voting nahdia?

[Sensei]

After you guys had it out last day, it's strange to see you share a place on a wagon.

[Sensei]

Zelda being scum makes sense within the flavor though as she was kidnapped by Ganondorf. Are you saying the shopkeeper was kidnapped and hypnotized? That makes no sense.

How do you know what the limitations to scums flavor are when there's only been one flip?

[Sensei]

Based on what?

Anyway, why are you townreading Xk now?

[Sensei]

I hate to town case but beeboy was white knighting me pretty hard if you hadn't noticed

Yea. Well not so much WKing but buddying for sure. So you've got that going for you.

[Sensei]

Who do you think is scum dwlee?

[Sensei]

and youve laregly left xk alone today

how so?

[Sensei]

I've liked him a lot more today than I did yesterday.

Why?

Why are you voting cakes?

[Sensei]

{pisskop, Phoenix Wright}
{Sensei, Dwlee99}
{Xkfyu}
{FireBringer}
{SirCakez}

for instance

Right.

Regardless, I think I'm still firmly in the 'nahdia and xk aren't scum together camp' unless you were alluding to something else with this?

[Sensei]

Ari's abilities all had flavor. Mine are just mechanical descriptions. That was the difference I was noting at the time.

One of mine has a smidgen of flavor and the other is just a mechanical description.

So like I said 2000 posts ago this probably doesn't mean anything.

[Sensei]

{pisskop, Phoenix Wright}
{Sensei, Dwlee99}
{Xkfyu}
{FireBringer}
{SirCakez}

for instance

Right.

Regardless, I think I'm still firmly in the 'nahdia and xk aren't scum together camp' unless you were alluding to something else with this?

pisskop

[Sensei]

I'll change my vote to Firebringer if it makes you feel better. I haven't seen anyone say they really don't want to lynch FB besides maybe Dwlee?

I think this is a situation where this would be a bad thing to lynch someone for.

[Sensei]

The VCA last night. Xkfyu was consistently a counterwagon to Beeboy.

I wouldn't call yesterday a typical counter wagon.

Simply because there was no realistic way that we were lynching anyone other than beeboy in a million billion years.

Day 1 tells the story a lot better.

[Sensei]

Nahdia what about Xk's play today impresses you?

He's voting cakes because of his role and hasn't brought up zilch about his play.

[Sensei]

VOTE: Xkfuyu

[Sensei]

Do I have to make a case?

[Sensei]

do you have one?

Does a cop take a look at beeboy's claim and go "yea let's run up something else"

Or, make cases on people based on beeboy flipping town?

[Sensei]

Pretty sure I was talking to pisskop.

[Sensei]

It's also kinda weird how he's up in arms about there not being two neighbors, but allegedly didn't see cause for alarm with beeboy having an x-shot cop while being a cop himself.

[Sensei]

*not being two town neighbors

[Sensei]

Alignment Cop is inherently a town role. Neighbourizer is not. In fact, it's usually the case that two neighbourizers in the same game are of opposite alignments.

Why do I have to keep explaining this?

You can regurgitate this all you want but you've still yet to push cakes based on play.

Two neighbors means 1 is

usually

scum is fucking awful basis to lynch someone for.

Especially when you've even said in the past that you didn't see scum motive for cakes CCing in the first place?

Your turnaround on dwlee after exclaiming that there's NO WAY his role could be scum.

You're running out of avenues to push for mislynches and it's blatantly obvious.

[Sensei]

Then you haven't been paying attention.

Yes, I have.

[Sensei]

That's not even close to what I said.

You made a fucking multi-paragraph rant about how you didn't think there was anyway that dwlee's role could be scum.

Now you're all "unsure" about him all of a sudden. And bringing up the possibility of him being scum because he wasn't roleblocked sucked.

[Sensei]

So, you don't think there are ANY Cop roles in this Role Madness game?

lol

A fucking rolecop already flipped booger brain.

Stop trying to get me to guess the mod. It's not gonna work.

What the fuck does this have to do with my push on you anyway?

[Sensei]

Where did he say that he expected zelda to be a scum role?

[Sensei]

Zelda is a pretty townie flavor claim, idk now.

I think this quip is about 10 times worse if we're looking for things to call cakes scum for.
(when beeboy got to L1)

I just don't understand why now when I pushed the shit out of him day 1 to no avail?

[Sensei]

Don't play dumb. You know that I meant an actual Town Alignment Cop.

You're misrepping my push on you as "i don't believe that there's a town alignment cop" which I think would be perfectly feasible if your play lined up with that claim whatsoever.

[Sensei]

Cakes fucking vote for Xk already.

[Sensei]

Considering where my vote is I'd think the answer would be obvious.

[Sensei]

Is there anyone left who hasn't claimed the names of their abilities so that we can confirm PKs claim tonight possibly?

[Sensei]

I think phoenix and fire both haven't.

So nahdia could BG phoenix while pisskop flavor cops him and then tomorrow considering everything's all hunky dory PK claims what Phoenix's ability name is. And then go from there essentially.

[Sensei]

I think worst case scenario there is that we don't lynch the roleblocker today if there is one and either phoenix gets a track off or we confirm pisskop so it wouldn't be that bad.

[Sensei]

Or am I getting too ahead of myself?

[Sensei]

I'm not a good choice at all actually.

[Sensei]

Pisskop can you use your doc + cop simultaneously?

[Sensei]

Cuz I'm thinking scum could just block nahida and off PW so that plan is actually kinda shit now that I think about it.

[Sensei]

I guess you could flavor cop firebringer?

[Sensei]

And put double protects on PW or is that stupid?

[Sensei]

I'm still thinking we lynch Xk tbh.

[Sensei]

If we lynch Xk and he town flips then PK is basically confirmed scum anyway.

What's the logic behind that?

[Sensei]

Dwlee I'm more interested in who you think is scum.

If you're town you're almost certainly going to lylo and you need to start scumhunting and getting invested man.

[Sensei]

You don't think Xk/piss team is a possibility?

[Sensei]

would lynch nahdia just because of how they tricked me so hard in that newbie in lylo

link?

[Sensei]

That's def possible. I'm saying if Xk flips town.

why you be lining up lynches all game bro?

[Sensei]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=65431

Wow someone's proud.

[Sensei]

It's called gravekeeper's promise

facefloor

[Sensei]

On the topic of no daychat - it explains a lot of the weird interactions I've been seeing. And it makes me feel beeboy was more likely bussed.

[Sensei]

Especially considering that most of the counterwagons cakes is alluding to and using to call people town for never "took off" as it were.

[Sensei]

Okay for starters what answer are you expecting to the first question? Even if cakes is lying why do you want me to speak for him?

Sometimes I do miss things. But the backbone to your push is that there's

usually

one scum between two neighbor roles. That doesn't impress me.

[Sensei]

You, as an alignment cop, being such firm believer in that there can't be overlap in claims ever, should have been a lot more positive on a beeboy scumflip then you were.

I'm like 99% positive that you're scum.

[Sensei]

/Trying to look town

Unvote
Vote: Cleavage

Hi Mirhawk.
Pretty weak vote you've got there.
Welcome to the scumpile.

There have been a lot of weak votes, especially around the time that this was posted. Hell, I didn't even give a reason with my vote on Davsto.

Why are you singling out Mirhawk? Is it simply because his weak vote is on you?

No it isn't PW is terrible atm lol.

VOTE: PW

How am I terrible?

You need to take a step back and realize just because someone is pressuring you it doesn't make them scum.

That is if you are town.

The bold part kinda sounds forced to me. Like he thought he needed to put that disclaimer in there, just to make sure everyone knew that he didn't know his Phoenix's alignment.

He's not scum for tunneling me. He's scum because it sounds like all of his reasons for why he says that he thinks I'm scum are horrible and seem insincere

Whether or not I agree with that your reaction to the claims is much, much worse.

Translation: "You're right, but I don't want to say so, because that's going to make my case that your reaction was terrible."

VOTE: beeboy

beeboy is your V key broken or something???

Actually PW that unvote was awkward as hell. Scum push town all the time lmfao. That felt like such an lame excuse to unvote.....................

No
V

Then what are you doing?

This is almost directly after toog and mirhawk caught on to beeboy.

Tell this doesn't look like a panic bus.

I mean just look at what he needed to scrap for to make it seem like he wasn't just sheeping the wagon.

[Sensei]

You're not really my target audience, though, thankfully.

[Sensei]

Why are you voting pisskop, again?

[Sensei]

You're a cop, with a scumread on beeboy, who claims cop and don't immediately call bullshit.

What is your valid defense to that?

[Sensei]

Which begs the question of why the differences in power between ari and cakes' neighbor doesn't lead him to the same conclusion - that it's possible they could coexist.

Talk about reads being convenient.

[Sensei]

I'm answering for him because this same conversation has happened multiple times btw...

It's typical scum to want to argue in circles. I'm just going over it again because he thinks I'm ignoring him.

[Sensei]

Like, maybe if he'd of said something to the effect of not wanting to CC right away to get some results first? I might of bought that.

But it also makes most of what he was doing day 2 (ie lining up his reads in a way that depended on beeboy's flip) read extremely fake.

Like, ask cakes. We hydra'd and rolled cop and scum claimed cop day 1 and instead of CCing right away I ended up chatting about how my reads were completely off and flipped my read around on who to us was confirmed scum and even attempted to work with the scum about reads and stuff (p funny in hindsight and probably not necessary but you know, paranoia) just so we wouldn't eat a NK before getting a clear. So that would have been an acceptable answer.

But he chose to go the "well they're not both technically a strong cop" route which reeks.

[Sensei]

just realized the logic I used was wrong because of the fact that xkyfu would have to cc his scum partner and that if xkyfu is scum if gives no insight on cakes' alignment.

It doesn't give much insight but I think it makes cakes more likely town at least.

[Sensei]

Xkfyu/pisskop at least one is scum (far more inclined to believe pisskop is town)

why and why?

[Sensei]

1) He claimed doc, I have a macho modifier
2) His flavorcop would be redundant with the rolecop

Why are you taking his claim at face value?

[Sensei]

Because Nahdia is prob PK's scum buddy

I've had that tinfoil already but I'm feeling good where I'm at atm.

[Sensei]

If PW isn't alive tomorrow then at least one of nahdia and PK is scum.

[Sensei]

dwlee what happens if you refill a person while they're using their 1-shot?

[Sensei]

PW is town regardless of Xk's flip.

[Sensei]

piss why didn't you use your doc on the cookie people?

[Sensei]

oh wait you're saying because we'll be expected to double protect PW?

I'm not 100% with what we're doing tonight yet but that's what I'm thinking atm.

Cuz we're forcing either scum to kill outside of confirmed town or no kill - which puts us back at odds. So either way it's a good deal.

[Sensei]

Well, not confirmed town but obvtown and our last and most likely town investigative.

[Sensei]

I think if Xk flips roleblocker - then you BG phoenix and piss docs cakes and dwlee refills one of yall.

[Sensei]

That also leaves Phoenix with decent odds of catching scum if they do wanna kill.

[Sensei]

darn

[Sensei]

Maybe the roleblocker is only a 2-shot or something? Or non-consecutive?

[Sensei]

the fact that pisskop was able to doc and flavorcop in the same night basically disqualifies the whole "SirCakez isn't the roleblocker because he neighborized Cookies n1" thing.

Exactly, we've gone over this.

[Sensei]

I buy it.

Why do you buy it?

Weird question to ask for someone who knows PW is town.

[Sensei]

Who do you think I should track?

/shrug

What's your lynchpool?

[Sensei]

Why is that suspicious?

Just because his reasoning was awful doesn't mean that it wasn't honest.

[Sensei]

Like, you're trying to twist that me saying that I bought the reasoning for why he chose his target, which is very unlikely to be an asspull given his experience and what happened day 1 as me just blindly accepting him clearing me or something which is clearly not the case.

[Sensei]

You've done this all game - you're poking into things and calling me and others out on things that you deem scummy

But your vote is sitting on someone you've hardly talked about at all today.

[Sensei]

If Xkfyu DOESN'T flip scum well...

I really wouldn't worry about that.

[Sensei]

Could go either way on firebringer.

GTHM town. But wouldn't bet any money on it.

I think the fact that he scum read sensei and townread cleavage is more likely to come from town. Could be faked yea but it's something.

[Sensei]

Hrm. Okay that's making me think too much protection.

[Sensei]

Unless scum got a strongman too or something but meh.

[Sensei]

Like, why did our vig have a strongman in the first place?

Probably bulletproof and/or scum doctor maybe?

[Sensei]

I agree but your slot has been playing the exact opposite of how I'd expect a bp to play. Across 3 different slots no less.

[Sensei]

Meh.

[Sensei]

Thing is I don't really have anything bad to say about what chaos radja or you posted tbh. It's just lack of presence.

Why do you think you're gonna 'fail in lylo'?

[Sensei]

Are you talking about that blitz we played?

Nobody has fond memories of that game brother don't worry. It's in the past.

[Sensei]

Lynch me now or expect me to lose it in the end.

Self fulfilling prophecy mate.
Take a break. Cup your balls make sure they're still attached.
During the night read some isos or some shit.

I'm feeling pretty good about a town win here.

[Sensei]

That was actually probably the best ATE I've seen in years.

No hammers yet please, he's earned it.

[Sensei]

I agree.

[Sensei]

SirCakez claimed "Loved" btw, although as this is mylo it might have turned off.

This post gives me the creeps.

[Sensei]

oh you're right im getting ahead of myself mb.

so you'll need 6 votes to lynch him.

Okay yea what the fuck this is bad too.

[Sensei]

Xk let's chat man. I'm leaving in an hour probs.

[Sensei]

Yea but nahdia said "im getting ahead of myself" directly after saying something about mylo.

That's probably the strangest town mindset ever.

[Sensei]

Xk let's chat man. I'm leaving in an hour probs.

Whether you agree with it or not, does the stuff I have said make sense?

I've only skimmed since your AtE oscar performance last night. But I remember you calling basically everybody scum.

If you want me to give your reads any kind of credence - then narrow it down with good raisins.

[Sensei]

When did you get hammered?

[Sensei]

lol

i dunno why but that's a such funny thing to ask and im cracking up right now.

pedit: come on Xk you knew you weren't hammered there. :/

[Sensei]

he even said "intent to vote"

i haven't seen your reaction but im guessing it wasn't unfake able.

[Sensei]

Also cakes is either town or scum who game threw because I've never gotten a read wrong on a neighbor.

[Sensei]

But that read wont come easy - oh boy lemme tell ya.

[Sensei]

I dunno I'm going to the store and I'll read back when I'm back and see if I like the reaction or not.

You're still scum but eh.

Right now cakes is an ever so slight lean to town.

[Sensei]

Please hold.

I wanna make sure we're all on the same page for what we're doing as far as actions and stuff so we can get as much shit done as possible.

And if Xk is town he should give us and actual scumpool and not just throw shade on the whole game.

[Sensei]

Okay please do.

[Sensei]

Sensei from this point on you shouldn't disclose if/when you're using/you used your commute.

y

[Sensei]

Oh nvm. I thought you said should.

Lol. I need coffee.

[Sensei]

I really think the beeboy lynch was one big bus, and that leaves only Sensei, Dwlee, and pisskop. Sensei wasn't on the wagon, in the end, but he virtually led the wagon from the outset of D2. Plus, his overreaction about being mad at Nahdia for stealing his hammer came off as fake to me.

"He led a scum wagon (two different days) so he's probably scum, plus, his capsrage looked kinda fake."

Like, you seem like a smart guy Xk. I don't believe for a second that you're this bad.

[Sensei]

I don't really know what to think about FB. I wish we still had that dayvig for sure.

[Sensei]

If we're ever going to No Lynch we should just test Sensei's unlynchable claim.

It doesn't work in lylo obviously.
I'd have to ask if that means mylo as well.

[Sensei]

Because that's the only time where I'd consider no-lynch.

[Sensei]

GG.

[Sensei]

Then you probably couldn't have killed PW then because you're docing him as town.

[Sensei]

I'd probably vote cakes there too tbh.