Mini 1766: SCP Foundation Mafia (GAME OVER)
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i don't really see scum changing their mind because of popular opinion so publically like that. a bit brazen, isn't it? though that could be a reverse to think the reverse! is that scummy to you, iraonavp? (gosh do you have like... a nickname? im not sure how to begin breaking that up)All hail the king, baby.
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In post 77, Davsto wrote:From now on, votecounts will include any V/LAs.
V/LA:
Extrapolated Eagle until Sunday
shos until Monday
i actually like kelbris tbh.
and if Snowman is actually lynchbait a lot (i'm only assuming this from your posts about yourself, Snowman, so apologies!), then i'm guessing he rarely gets nightkilled. so i can kind of understand him trying to just out it now... even if i don't personally agree.
i dislike beeboy's 'wouldn't hurt to try' vote! like.. it's kinda setting itself up to be useless. because yeah, it WOULD hurt to try! we lose a lynch!All hail the king, baby.
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In post 129, Alchemist21 wrote:VOTE: Beeboy
For trying to vote an Unlynchable claim and wasting his vote like that.
i didn't like beeboy's vote but i actually like this one less! it sounds so safe, and that he feels the need to explain what should have been obvious is also weird.
that said, i agree with the sentiment of voting beeboy? it's weird. i'll ignore it for now and see if this is just how Alchemist is.
In post 134, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
You know this is often the first thing a scum player says to me when I enter a game? Go look up garmr, ythan, or aphix in any of my previous games.
hi Eagle! <3
Eagle's playstyle is definitely very different from what i've seen. just don't let him be in a position to hammer. (i'm kidding Eagle ily)
Rask what are you saying in this post tho? like what are your intentions toward Eagle rn?All hail the king, baby.
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also, anyone voting Snarky should rethink it. it's easy to see that it's not a fakeclaim. if there's reason to doubt it, that'll become apparent in a later Day.
AristoCow kind of reminds me of... me. hum. do you happen to be pretty excited for this game, aristophanes? or perhaps you've just been posting while in a good mood? it comes off a bit.. forced.All hail the king, baby.
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Rask, i have a few thoughts on your big ol quote post, but i'll wait for Eagle to respond to ya first.
kelbris your last few posts have been explaining yourself. how do you feel about other players voting you for all this? how do you feel about other players in general?
preview: pip i don't think they changed his reads, i think he re-use of a tell that appeared to be popular in a game he played is not alignment indicative, at worst, and townie at best.All hail the king, baby.
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like, i see it as him pushing something (because pushing something is always good early day 1), and then, after seeing the reaction, realizing that it wouldn't bear fruit. i'd like for him to talk more about other players, though!
i mean, scum don't want to say 'i changed my reads because they were unpopular', that's a death sentence, and scum like to have a reason for it. plus, i don't think that's what he was doing. does that make sense, or am i going too far into 'too scummy to be scum' territory?All hail the king, baby.
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i really disagree. like i said, Snarky considers himself mislynchable, and was attempting to be out of the running for lynching because he wanted to avoid a day one no lynch. (or, the equivalent of that i guess)
like.. you don't claim this unless you can back it up! or, you think you have the ability to evade suspicious people like beeboy. and from Snarky's posts i don't see that being his aim at all. i've never played with him but he doesn't seem like the gambit type.
if he's lying, which i doubt, we can deal with it later. not today. let's do something more useful, beeboy!
preview: that's fair, Holly. (or Sugar? haha)
i can't really change your mind on that and i can understand why you would be scumreading him for it. i'm gonna wait and see how he handles the rest of the day.All hail the king, baby.
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beeboy, ask Snarky? apparently he has a scummy playstyle. if he's lying about his meta then cool but i really doubt it. are you saying my reasoning is bad for why town could make a bad play? town do that all the time!
sisters, i'm considering it, depending on how this conversation goes. as for your role stuff, *shrug* i guess! if beeboy thinks you're scum and he's town, as you're hinting, it'd be weird for him to comply with your demands. but i see no harm in doing what you're doing, really.
beeboy you brought the sisters to L-1 purposely to try and read them based on emotional meta. i find it a bit weird that you're surprised that she reacted badly...All hail the king, baby.
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beeboy, please answer my question. you seemed to expect this kind of negative reaction (you said she does 'stupid things' when she is suspected as town), yet you're scumreading her for apparently not making sense? or, i can't even tell you're scumreading her, it's more like you just want her to be scum... :/
like i disagree with her reason for scumreading you but your reaction to her doesn't make any sense to meAll hail the king, baby.
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All hail the king, baby.
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you're fine with us just lynching you like that?
beeboy, i guess... just, she appears to be voting you because she's mad, and doesn't want to play a game with you. but, really, it looks a little forced to me. well, not a little, a lot.
sisters you just said you don't care about beeboy's alignment, you just don't want to play with him, but now you want him speedlynched if you flip town?All hail the king, baby.
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hoo boy. sisters if you want a policy lynch, then i'm sorry but it ain't happening. especially when you're trying to say we should policy lynch beeboy if you flip town! that's two mislynches and terrible.
like.. if you're town, and you don't care about beeboy's alignment.. then at BEST you should be arguing for a beeboy policy lynch today! not tomorrow! i don't want to town mislynches because you two have a personal problem, yknow?All hail the king, baby.
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In post 182, beeboy wrote:In post 181, A Real Scourge wrote:hoo boy. sisters if you want a policy lynch, then i'm sorry but it ain't happening. especially when you're trying to say we should policy lynch beeboy if you flip town! that's two mislynches and terrible.
like.. if you're town, and you don't care about beeboy's alignment.. then at BEST you should be arguing for a beeboy policy lynch today! not tomorrow! i don't want to town mislynches because you two have a personal problem, yknow?
unfortunately I am not calling for a policy lynch you agreed with the there reason for scum reading me was terrible.
im sorry? sisters is calling for a policy lynch, not you.All hail the king, baby.
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In post 184, Elsa and Anna wrote:I said that Beeboy needs to die.
you're the one trying to make it happen tomorrow instead of today.
you rolled over in a very agreeable fashion once Rask and i voted you. it's weird.All hail the king, baby.
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wait, can we talk about that? considering this is role madness, it is actually kind of strange that Rask wouldn't think it was pretty likely that beeboy could target.
has Raskol played with you two before, RC?
preview: Rask i thought you just said you didn't know RC's meta? where's all this info coming from?
Aristophanes, it'd be cool if you could weigh in on the current discussion.All hail the king, baby.
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In post 190, Raskolnikov wrote:Has anyone seen RC or FA use AtE as scum before? Personally I'm pretty inexperienced with these players
In post 193, Elsa and Anna wrote:for the record, Raskol is fully aware that FA is mostly known for AtEing and that I am somewhat known for it as well.
Him pretending that he doesn't is tantamount to scumclaiming.
In post 194, Raskolnikov wrote:Deathtunneling on someone because you don't like what they did a game before is absurd and I don't see why they would do this when they could have /out ed when seeing the playerlist. I think town RC would be more inclined to just ignore beeboy rather than make a big deal out of this, and I've heard of him using gambits like this (especially involving AtE) as scum for towncred. Furthermore since it's between RC and beeboy and I don't think FA is involved I don't know why FA would be fine with this if they were town, whereas if scum it makes sense for her to stay silent and let RC try this gambit.
The tldr is it's either really reckless townplay or a scum AtE play and I see the latter as more likely.
these few posts really make me weary about Rask.
Cowbells, are you serious? why do you have a problem with me?All hail the king, baby.
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In post 201, Raskolnikov wrote:I wanted to see his reaction. I feel if he was town he would have addressed me directly rather than saying what he did.
I mean I could be wrong but you don't learn without making a few mistakes!
who is this 'he' you're talking about? also can you please explain the three posts i quoted and why you said what you did about Elsa and Anna's meta?All hail the king, baby.
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mmm, i see, i made an assumption about something. apologies. (though if i'm right about what it was, i'd hope that you wouldn't want to upset them about it if they're scum, too)
Rask, what you haven't explained is the meta thing? and if you have, i really didn't get it. you asked about their meta because you were looking for a reaction, even though you already knew their meta?All hail the king, baby.
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In post 215, kelbris wrote:that post was actually answering a question on the previous page about what game I had seen the whole "claim without reason = not town-aligned" idea. Anyway Here are my opinions on the other players:
beeboy: null, whilst I don't like the fake claim that goaded me into this situation, I would not exactly call it scummy either, which is why beeboy is null for now.
Rask: scum, he is well aware of FA's use of AtE, so unless he can explain his lie in this regard, I will always see him as scum.
Snarkysnowman: neutral (neither town nor scum), I dislike his unkillable claim as in terms of SCPs the only one I can think of is SCP-682, who would most certainly NOT be on the foundations side.
Aristophanes: null, need a bit more content before I can come to a conclusion in this regard.
more reads will come soon, but in the meantime:
VOTE: rask
i know you were answering a question, i just wanted to squeeze some reads and particupation outta you!
i agree that i want Rask to explain all that.
i think you need to read the wiki again if the only unkillable SCP you can think of 682! i'd go looking, but there are probably hundreds that Snowman could be at this point. well, taking into account the 'doesn't count as a player for not being endgamed by scum', thing, it could be quite a bit less, but still. that, and, 682 is definitely not aligned with the Chaos Insurgency, either. i think all of the SCPs are unaligned cosmic horrors, so.. like.. someone is probably a sentient window pane or something.
not sure if i like the list. i mean, it's full of nulls and the only things you've talked about regarding players are claims. beeboy's fakeclaim, the unkillable claim... and well, i guess you talked about Rask's meta thing.
why do you need more content from AriCow? they haven't been lurking! do you need more content from everyone? why just AriCow?In post 210, Extrapolated Eagle wrote: it's ridiculous to sit there paranoid of everyone at the start anyways, you don't get anywhere. You have to start with a theory, with some trust in one place and you move on from there. If that doesn't work out you reevaluate, etc.
rad. like, out of game for a sec, i like the temporary trust thing because being uncertain is a big problem for me!All hail the king, baby.
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In post 224, Klingoncelt wrote:
In a 9-page game you need time to fully catch up?
You rolled Scum, didn't you.
VOTE: Shos
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mmmm... this seems a bit nitpicky. like, maybe shos just doesn't have time to do anything today?All hail the king, baby.
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In post 222, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 219, A Real Scourge wrote:Klingon, do you have a read on Elsa and Anna right now?
No, their antagonism towards Beeboy - and vice versa - clouds the read.
i can understand that.
In post 214, Elsa and Anna wrote:Ok Ari is so damned better than this ...
I'm kind of confused
~Elsa
how is ari 'better than this', FA? he's kinda been bugging me but it's hard to pin down why.All hail the king, baby.
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In post 341, SnarkySnowman wrote:In post 340, beeboy wrote:Snarky where is my Flavour Name SCP Number and Object Class
You can probably find that in your role pm.
lmaoooo
In post 335, kelbris wrote:Aside from my previous reads (which have not changed btw), here are some more:
A Real Scourge-scum, after going through his ISO I believe he is scum alongside Rask, primarily because of post #181.
Alchemist-null, need to see a bit more content before I come to a conclusion.
Aristocow-town, nothing in the ISO screams scum to me.
I also believe I figured out what was meant by "not counting towards endgame purposes", what it means is that let's say we have 3 mafia and 3 town players left with him amongst them, he would not be counted meaning mafia would win-whilst he can vote, he is not counted towards the town's players when comparing the two teams for an endgame situation.
I would also like to see Snarky's SCP number, title and object class. If he is what I think he is, then I doubt he would be aligned with the foundation, I know rule 6 says that they are not alignment indicative, but I just have a gut feeling that he is not part of the foundation group.
P.S. sorry about not being online much, been busy IRL.
'rule 6 says flavour is not alignment indicative, but my gut says Snarky's flavour is alignmentive indicative anyways!'
come on kelbris
also, you've just cited the same post everyone else has. like, you should rethink this because after my flip your vote on me is gonna look the worst, it's so bleh.
Elsa and Anna are town. i hope kelbris is scum because i can see him getting wagoned tomorrow considering today
VOTE: kelbris
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mmm actually!
VOTE: Alchemist
Alchemist i'd love for you to explain your beeboy read at the moment.
In post 334, Holly and Sugar wrote:
Uh, no. Everything here is playstyle and not alignmnet indicative about Task. You can't just call people town like that, it looks bad when ASR flips scum.In post 241, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I like scourge at this point as well. I don't get the non-task wagon, like everyone should be on this. He posts fluff, his argument against me was pure omgus and anti-play style with like nothing about actual gameplay. He pings me as weird out the wazoo. Someone please give me a reason or two why he's town?
this is so weird, it's like... i don't even know how explain it because it's so strange in so many ways. on one hand it looks like you're preparing to push Eagle for townreading me, but you could only do that properly if i actually flipped scum, which means you can't be scum for that because scum you would know i'm town.
on the other hand, this also looks like a threat. like.. 'don't townread Scourge, i don't want anything getting in the way of the wagon', which is scummy for obvious reasons. plus, all Eagle said was he 'liked me at this point', which is way different than what you were implying Eagle was saying. i dunno how to feel about it.
that and, Eagle's points weren't about playstyle at all... you could argue they're wrong, but you can't argue that accusations of omgus, fluff, only attacking Eagle for playstyle, and finally a gut scumread are 'just playstyle' for Task.All hail the king, baby.
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In post 299, shos wrote:In post 209, A Real Scourge wrote:ugh, this site is totally messing with my posting style! who says 'apologies'?? not me! geez, where are my emojis at
so fayk
your vote on me seemed legitimate, but this really doesn't. it's like you've decided to call me scum and were just looking for something to call fake. like, this is an NIA fluff post!! scum don't even fake those??? what purpose would it serve for me to fake that??All hail the king, baby.
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catchup time.
In post 355, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:In post 345, A Real Scourge wrote:
also, you've just cited the same post everyone else has. like, you should rethink this because after my flip your vote on me is gonna look the worst, it's so bleh.
Elsa and Anna are town. i hope kelbris is scum becausei can see him getting wagoned tomorrow considering today
VOTE: kelbris
i'm not completely caught up! i've only read the last few pages
o.O
Wut.
one of the reasons i like Eagle for town is that he seems to think about things before immediately voting for them.
Eagle, what i meant by that is, in the event of my mislynch, kelbris' vote looks terrible, hence the 'i hope you're scum'. i DO think he's got a good chance of flipping scum. i wanted to see how he'd react to the threat. i guess i shouldn't have expected much considering his posting history in this game.
In post 356, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
I swear, I think you're probs town and I feel better about Elsa than you, but I don't like the way you vote so much. :/
why don't you like the way i vote? kelbris i think is genuinely scummy, and Alchemist (i'll say this since he's responded since i voted) i wanted to see some more from because i didn't understand his thought process. i like alchemist's answer, by the way.
In post 359, AristoCow wrote:EA looks townie though I don't understand it. ARS needs the noose. Need to talk this over with Ari. EE's catchup post is lolzy, I'd 360noscope that.
VOTE: ARS
Klingon is pinging me red. Snarky is town.
unrelated to the game, but i'd rather be called scourge than ARS. i'm not a fan of it! <3
this vote came out of nowhere, honestly. it really looks like you're just hopping onto the wagon. cite your sources? which player are you sheeping here, bro?
you actually give a reason to scumread Eagle here, but you hop on me with no explanation. bad form, cow man.
you're right that snarky and Elsa and Anna are town, though.
In post 361, beeboy wrote:
Yes I know he was town on my read list but my thoughts changed after hearing my reads where bad I reevaluated him.
this is interesting, considering Alchemist has enough content for there to be a rudimentary read (plus, a single vote is not anything close to a wagon!), this is reaching. your explanation for voting me was there and then you had to like.. guard against inconsistencies before anyone even said anything about it. i'm not sure why shos said this makes you townier.
In post 364, beeboy wrote:In post 363, Alchemist21 wrote:What do you mean by this?
Your a dead slot, he was trying to create a wagon on you.
Simple logic.
you're responding to him! he asked you a question and you called him a dead slot! he's obviously playing. it's kinda funny. also, i'm female, just so ya know. if you use the right pronouns for me after this i'll know you're actually reading my posts.
In post 371, Alchemist21 wrote:Just toy with both assumptions for a moment? ARS is either Town or scum. What would you make of E&A's vote in each case?
Also was there anything else that contributed to your ARS scumread other than the vote on me?
i like Alchemist's questions here. it looks like he's trying to figure beeboy out here, and the questions don't look faked because he seems pretty serious about following up.
that, and this reaction to my vote on him is pretty good.
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In post 372, SnarkySnowman wrote:I don't know why there's such a big wagon on scourge tbh. More people should be voting Eagle.
ya got me, snarky. help me sort my wagon? i disagree on the Eagle scumread though.
In post 374, beeboy wrote:In post 371, Alchemist21 wrote:Just toy with both assumptions for a moment? ARS is either Town or scum. What would you make of E&A's vote in each case?
Also was there anything else that contributed to your ARS scumread other than the vote on me?
If ARS was scum I would suspicious of E&A but nothing incriminating on it's own.
If ARS was town I would town I wouldn't think anything of it.
Yes I don't like the way ARS was adding fuel to the me vs E&A fire without picking a side. I also haven't seen anything overly towny from his posts looking back at his iso.
how was i adding fuel to the fire? i was trying to stop the insults because i hate when games are like that. and why would i need to pick a side?? the fight was not about anything game-related.
In post 379, shos wrote:Raskol, change your avvie back
Scourge atill needs rope, whereas beeboy becomes much townier.
how is beeboy towny? at all?
In post 383, iraonavp wrote:In post 347, A Real Scourge wrote:In post 299, shos wrote:In post 209, A Real Scourge wrote:ugh, this site is totally messing with my posting style! who says 'apologies'?? not me! geez, where are my emojis at
so fayk
your vote on me seemed legitimate, but this really doesn't. it's like you've decided to call me scum and were just looking for something to call fake. like, this is an NIA fluff post!! scum don't even fake those??? what purpose would it serve for me to fake that??
Like just before she was whiteknighting shos, and now here's an implication that he's scum-aligned.
this is crazy, right here. you appear to be trying to call me out on an inconsistency, by misrepresenting the situationreallyhard.
yes, i DID imply he was scum aligned, because his 299 was terrible!
when i 'whiteknighted' him (read, disliking Klingon's vote because it seemed forced and out of place considering all shos said at that point was that he would read up and post tomorrow), he hadn't done anything yet. he was null. i was commenting on klingon's vote. you can't whiteknight a player at L-6! now that he's done things, i didn't like some of them.
i'm looking forward to you explaining how my read on shos developingbased on shos's postsis scummy. go on!
you saw the wagon, and checked my ISO for opportunities to hop on. the evidence is 383.
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why did you two jump off the wagon?All hail the king, baby.
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In post 391, Raskolnikov wrote:You don't think beeboy's towny but you don't really think he's scum either?
i don't think that he's scum, I also don't think that he's done anything recently that warrants 'beeboy is townier now'.
it's this crazy thing called nulltown. I know, weird right???All hail the king, baby.
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In post 392, shos wrote:Why has scourge nit been lynched yet?
thanks for being useful!
how about 'so and so, you should vote scourge, because [case]'
Or
'those of you not voting scourge, why is she town?'
nope! complain instead. I'll wait until iraon responds and see which one of you want to vote.All hail the king, baby.
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shos, what i asked was:
In post 390, A Real Scourge wrote:hm, i should rephrase that. i don't really think beeboy is scum. what i should have asked shos is 'how does what beeboy did make him townier'? because it wasn't good.
so my question is really 1) what events made you view beeboy is townier than he was to you before, and 2) why?All hail the king, baby.
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uhhhh huh. alright, keep repeating that i need to be lynched. pretty amazing how you found scum within ten pages and don't feel the need to continue to try and sort me, considering you're apparently around to chat. i can FEEL your effort from here.
townreads are pretty important when it comes to PoE reading.
that, and, you're not 100% certain i'm scum. you couldn't be. so, preventing a conversation from starting with me is really only denying us information that you could have used later. and that's anti-town. whatever happened to looking at the interactions of a flipped player the next day?All hail the king, baby.
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im good with that
In post 403, shos wrote:Nope ^_^
at least you're owning it.
VOTE: shos
maybe i'll still push iraon depending on what he says when he gets back, but i'm also up for lynching the guy who put his feet up after hunting for ten pages, esp if Snarky's up for it.
In post 404, Alchemist21 wrote:@Scourge, Why is Beeboy Towny to you? You are correct that I was trying to get into his mind to try to better understand him, and the biggest impression I got is that he seemed evasive in answering my questions (shos seems to be acting similarly to you here). The lesser impression I got was that he was trying to protect the E&A slot by not wanting to discuss it, and then tying its alignment to yours. From my POV, if either slot that voted me is scum, it's more likely E&A for how they immediately followed you after they were voting for you, and it's HIGHLY unlikely that you two are scum together as Beeboy suggested because it seems like a pretty bad move for scum to tie their votes like that.
eh, beeboy isn't super towny, it's more like he's done things i don't see scum doing. things like, wanting to lynch Snarky despite how that was going against the tide, the whole thing with Elsa and Anna looked kinda TvT (if i have to pick between them beeboy is worse but i'd rather not lynch there, like i said).
he's just.. so aggressively null because i disagree with almost everything he does so completely, he doesn't seem to be trying to please everyone.. it's a very independent playstyle if that makes any sense, but i also don't get the feeling he's being contrary on purpose, these are all optimal plays to him. actually yeah... thinking about it, less null and more towny. i guess my reservations come from how beeboy could just be like this all the time. but i'll call him townish.
what bothers me is how shos just refuses to answer about whyhethinks beeboy is town so much. well, that's not theonlything, lmao.
from this i'm thinking you're scumreading beeboy, then? what do you think about shos? any urge to try and figure him out? try asking him all the questions i did, see if he answers you.
preview: sisters, could you answer my question? you asked Rask why he got off my wagon, and then i asked you why you got off my wagon to vote Alchemist. what's your read on me?All hail the king, baby.
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In post 411, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:My vote is in the wrong place. Oops.
VOTE: rask
Scourge is bad lynch. She does so much pro town stuff. She feels weird, yeah, but she felt weird in my last game. Back off of her let's get scum.
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but i want to clarify. Eagle, are you actually that confident that i'm town, or are you saying that you feel my play is pro-town enough (or, was, i guess) that you'd rather wait until tomorrow to sort me properly? i could see it being a mix of both, but i want to know where your townread is coming from. i mean, you don't have a scumgame to compare to, right?
In post 415, Raskolnikov wrote:I hate this game because I'm only getting townreads and some nullish-could-be-scum
even ARS it felt he got voted too easily and his recent posts are townishy even tho that 1 earlier post is still bad
you guys dont even let me vote klingon
i find PoE townreads pretty useful for narrowing scum down, you're not a fan?
if you felt i was voted too easily, which votes on my wagon seem opportunistic to you?
In post 416, shos wrote:Yeah I was hard scumreading neenoy before, but scourge gave me a strong feeling of "scum riding on beeboy's wagon" and as such, that means beeboy is probtown.
Eagle, you said that Scourge does lots of town stuff? what?
and do you have info that I don't that makes you say that you won't discuss him today? (yes/no only please)
why did you get that feeling? i've never voted beeboy, and i don't remember pushing for his lynch.
In post 417, Alchemist21 wrote:I can see shos' response coming from Town that didn't want to go into the details of an associative read with their scumread (Scourge) but is willing to discuss it with others.
i'm just trying to figure out how he actually got that associative read..All hail the king, baby.
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In post 421, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I think your play is pro-town enough and I feel a lot better about a lot of other lynches. You feel weird but you felt weird yesterday and you're pushing for reads and doing things that seem pro-town, so I want to lynch people I'm scumreading hard today.
okay, it's about what i thought, and i can relate to the feeling.
In post 424, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 380, iraonavp wrote:Why though?
In post 316, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 259, iraonavp wrote:
I didn't like her vote because it seemed like she was explicitly calling shos a liar for something arbitrary. I don't think that shos would be more or less involved as either alignment.
How many games have you played with Shos?
Do you know how many games I've played with Shos?
I think you're his Scumbuddy.
This is ridiculous.
I've played some games with Shos. I've played in games he's hosted.
No matter who the player is, though, not being able to keep up with 9 slow-moving pages is never a good look.
Your defense of him was therefore suspicious. Still is, actually, even though I'm now sure that he's Town.
Why did you defend Shos?
why are you so sure shos is town?
i'll wait until iraon answers your question, but then i'll have something to say about the other content of this post.All hail the king, baby.
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In post 425, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 422, SnarkySnowman wrote:Still sure shos is scum and not sure why we're voting otherwise.
Case, please?
i dunno about Snarky, but you can ISO me and ctrl-f shos if you want to see why he's scum.All hail the king, baby.
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VOTE: iraonavp
talk to me about your other scumreads, shos. and what did you think you found scummy? did you think i was pushing the beeboy wagon?
not completely caught up, if i miss questions or something, just lemme know.All hail the king, baby.
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if you're taking it as a scum claim, why did you only bring it up after i voted you? and, if i'm scum, why'd you ask me to unvote you?
like.. this isn't the reaction i'd expect from town, but that's because it's just so weird that i don't see the benefit for it as either alignment! why aren't you trying to get me lynched (all you did was vote me and say 'this is good', which sounds like you're parking your vote there more than trying to push for me to be dead) if you think i've scum claimed, and why did you just say that you're afraid of being lynched when you have one, single, vote on you?All hail the king, baby.
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i'm still really unsure as to why one vote makes you so nervous... like i feel like scum wouldn't be so transparent about it? i want to see how others respond to this because its weird.
"that, and, you're not 100% certain i'm scum. you couldn't be. so, preventing a conversation from starting with me is really only denying us information that you could have used later. and that's anti-town. whatever happened to looking at the interactions of a flipped player the next day?"
you're talking about this then, where i say that shos' behaviour is anti-town. i'm saying this because no town players know anyone's alignment 100% without role-related stuff, and if it's role-related stuff then there's still no way for that player to know i'm scum because i'm not. so, from shos' pov, where my alignment is not certain, refusing to interact with me is refusing a conversation and information that could be looked back on later if i flip.
it's a part of speech, and most definitely not a scumclaim.All hail the king, baby.
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UNVOTE:
no.. thinking about it, scum doesn't do this. i was pretty sure about it when i voted after seeing your posts replying to Klingon, but this just seems too honest(ly weird) to be coming from scum, the more i think about it. particularly the line about how my posting reminded you that i existed, it just sounds like something town is way more likely to say than scum.All hail the king, baby.
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In post 447, Raskolnikov wrote:In post 446, Mad King Ashnard wrote:
This bothers me. The only guy on there I like is shos. Conversely the only people who explicitly were against the lynch are EE and snarky, (alc and klingon not really saying much either way).
If it is ARS then I could see him being with kelbris (who has him as scum but didnt vote) and maybe having one person on his wagon or a mistaken townread. The problem is that if the townreads aren't mistaken then having 1 on here plus the kelbris position would be scum going too hard on one of their own; kelbris would have to vote eventually as scum if the lynch was going through since it would look terrible if he didn't and would doom him next day.
If it isnt ARS then it could still be kelbris, 1 person on here and the third also on here or a mistaken townread who's actually scum. I think its more likely?
This iraon ARS converssation is complicated and some of its semantics but they probably aren't scum together now at least.
fuck sorry
kelbris might be who i go back to (now that i've gone through voting Alchemist, then shos, then finally iraon) Shos i'm still not sure about and i'd like to see how he responds but i'll leave him for now. kelbris just feels too easy. Alchemist i like, and iraon is.. i don't even know. but the vote bothered me since i made it and yeah, after thinking, him being weird town just makes more sense to me.
i think if you go too deep into the pre-flip associatives on day one, though, you'll just drive yourself crazy.All hail the king, baby.
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In post 451, Raskolnikov wrote:The problem with scumreading ARS is that she sounds like a nice person
aw! thank you.
but that shouldn't have anything to do with the game, Rask!
are you scumreading me then? are you really not voting me because of that, or was it just a joke? are you not voting me because you dislike the wagon?All hail the king, baby.
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i see, that's fine then. thanks for the detailed explanation.
so in the end it didn't give overwhelming evidence one way or the other. it's hard to for me to judge the because i've never played with you and only have word of mouth, but what you've done here seems like a reasonable course of action. can you reply to 452 as well?All hail the king, baby.
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In post 459, Raskolnikov wrote:In post 458, A Real Scourge wrote:i see, that's fine then. thanks for the detailed explanation.
so in the end it didn't give overwhelming evidence one way or the other. it's hard to for me to judge the because i've never played with you and only have word of mouth, but what you've done here seems like a reasonable course of action. can you reply to 452 as well?
181 is bad
I don't like how you were trying to be neutral with them even as you had E/A voted
346 is bad (somewhat moreso because it follows 345)
your view on beeboy is weird
Your attitude is friendly and even comes off as naive(?) which feels wrong for someone wagoned and under pressure
After a lot of reflection I think I'm weirded out because of how everytime you ask someone something or even scumread them it's like you give them an out, like a really big chance to change your mind.
But it was way too easy to wagon you which feels wrong and I don't like the people who hopped on. I'd feel better about something like kelbris because even if hes town I won't have any remorse.
man, not sure how i feel about people thinking of me as lynchbait.. but it's probably my own fault.
alright.
all of these are legitimate, honestly.
the reason i had the sisters voted was because i was trying to say that what they wanted to do (get lynched, and then get beeboy speedlynched), was anti-town, and so town shouldn't do it. i was trying to tell them that if they were town, they needed to rethink things. i also really don't like personal fights in games.
my attitude has been mentioned by other people before. i don't know if i'm naive (but if i was, i wouldn't know, why i?), but i am friendly. i like to have fun, and i don't like it when things get personal. i'm not sure how you expect someone to respond when they're under pressure, as you say, but.. like.. do you expect me to get angry and stop being friendly? that's not how i do. plus, a wagon in a game isn't gonna make me upset. i get upset from personal attacks and such.
the fact that you're saying this is making me rethink things. i want to be taken seriously, and if that means taking a more serious tone in my posts, i'll try it out.
the bolded line is what really gets me though. i think you're town, and this is a large part of why. because you might be right. i mean, i'm still new to this, i'm trying to work things out, but i like that you're giving me genuine advice here. i try to hunt through townhunting, but i guess if i too easily give out townpoints, it kind of defeats the purpose, huh?
the aim of my voting is to get a reaction out of the people i'm voting. i always vote people i could see being scum. if it looks like i gave them an 'out', it means they did something that i think scum wouldn't do in their position. i think i've given reasons for all of my unvotes or changes, and it'd be helpful if you told me which ones weren't deserved. not everyone i've unvoted is free of suspicion from me, either. in the cae of shos, for example, i'm just less confident. and in the case of iraon.. well, see the below.
In post 464, iraonavp wrote:UNVOTE: A Real Scourge
Glad we could reach an understanding. I also conveniently have found another person to vote now, at the same time as I am no longer reading you as scum-aligned.
VOTE: Elsa and Anna
In post 460, Elsa and Anna wrote:The real issue with the ARS wagon is that I tried to make counterwagons on people I thought were town but were objectively and none of them took.
Feels like a town wagon solely because of that, or the people I voted while trying to hit town (Alch) were scumpartners.
Either way, not too happy about the ARS wagon at this time. Not too happy about Raskol's 'sounds like a nice person' logic either but don't necessarily think it's alignment indicative.
I have good feelings about this.
VOTE: Aristophanes
I don't think that you have gathered any reliable information from this endeavour. You are making so many assumptions here it's just ridiculous. ARS could be being bussed already. Alchemist could be scum-aligned. The scum-aligned players might not be voting on your opportune counterwagon because they don't want to follow someone whose opinions appear to change at (on?) a whim. They may have felt unable to convincingly change wagons in the short day or whatever your pristine counterwagon opportunity gave them. Or, you could be scum-aligned! Trying to predict the actions of an alignment with so many interfering variables is comparable to astrology.
I have a hard time seeing you believe what you're saying here. It really looks to me like this is more serving the agenda of making E&A look town-aligned rather than finding the scum-aligned players. In a sort of "wow what a great try at finding scum, elsa and anna" way.
Also the way you deem it necessary to even announce this. You seem perfectly happy stating your opinion on other players without reasoning, "ars is a mislynch" would suffice.
I'll think about Aristophanes, I'm not sure how I feel about that vote.
iraon, i don't really feel we reached an understanding.. like i said, i unvoted you because i think a lot of what you say is weird and like.. purposely suspicious? the line about how you've 'conveniently found another person to vote, at the same time you've stopped scumreading me' sounds like something a different person would say to sarcastically describe your play. i can hear this hypothetical person in my head saying 'yeah, iraon isn't scummy at all! he just does conveniently scummy things'.
that and.. why is it weird that Elsa and Anna announced this? they gave their views and gave their reasoning.. nothing wrong with that. and they, like..justexplained why they made votes like the Alchemist one without reasoning.
In post 471, Elsa and Anna wrote:Last time I tried that counterwagon formation thing with reasons it ruined the game for Plotinus and Ether blacklisted me so I'm not going down that alleyway again.
Guess there's a happy medium to be found there. I'm not good at this.
regardless of how you feel about the sisters method for trying to catch scum in opportunistic voting, it looks like an honest try to me.
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