Mini 496 - Wild West Mafia. Mod Abandoned

[Simenon]

I will read over the weekend, aiming for saturday.

HI AIMEE <3

[Simenon]

grr, I'll get to this tomorrow.

[Simenon]

I'm partially caught up. I'll finish and do notes tomorrow.

[Simenon]

My first thought reading Theopor’s status post is “why isn’t there more pressure in this game on Adam?” My first guess is scum trying to avoid seeming opportunistic, and the town following. Which makes me want to zero in on Ryan, CMD, and Twomz.

In Ryan’s fifth post has way too many periods in that ellipses. It’s an off and dramatic reaction to CKD’s post.

I think Post 26 is interesting. Ryan expresses no concern for Adam’s thoughts before ThinMan posts.

Post 53 is a good way for Ryan scum to avoid being caught by the “XXX is scum” role, if it is one. Then again, this relies on Adam being scum, so it’s probably not viable.

Interesting that Ryan calls Aimee quiet.

Unvote Vote Twomz.

Lynch all unfosers.

Unvote

Ryan doesn’t have anything to “jump on”. That wording is odd.

“You can rip me for not stirring conversation.” Admitting to lesser faults but vehemently denying bigger scumtells is a strategy I use as scum.

In addition, my meta on Ryan tells me he likes to jump around and attract attention to himself as town. He's doing the opposite this game: he's posting somewhat infrequently, isn't pursuing any scums very doggedly and his vote seems to be unmoving.
More later.

[Simenon]

I'll post in this over the weekend- I really only have time right now to post in games that I'm modding.

[Simenon]

CKD:

Post #1: Mirrors ryan’s interest in the Adam information.
Post #2: Guesses that the odds are Adam is mafia. Takes interest in a sentence of the flavor. Asks the cop to stay hidden.
Side Note: Interesting that he hasn’t voted Adam yet.
Post #3: Debates the flavor with Twomz.
Post #4 Debates some more and commends Theopor for the role.
Post #5: Says he will be disappointed if the town does not get another note. Wants to hear from Adam.
Post #6: Suggests it could be a miller or lyncher.
Post #7: Says that whoever wrote the letter will likely support it. Does not support a no lynch.
Side Note: It is very scummy to suggest the behavior of a possible cop.

I stopped there because I think those are the points of interest. The rest of CKD’s posts contain very few votes, but that’s probably a playstyle. It still interests me that he didn’t vote Adam, though. He continues to debate the information and question it’s information for the rest of the game. Post seven is pretty bad, but I’m happy with post five, and I think that’s good evidence that CKD is town for now.

Next: Twomz.

[Simenon]

Mod: please prod Adele and friends

[Simenon]

I am slacking in my games, sorry. I'll try to catch up on this tonight or tomorrow.

[Simenon]

we r?

okay,

Vote Aimee

and hope for a super quick claim. I didn't realize the deadline was in such short timing.

Skimming, Twomz claim makes him town in my eyes. I'm leaning on kabenon-ckd-ryan as far as scum go. I think Paradox is town.

[Simenon]

Also, if you look at all the games i'm in, you can see i posted an identical warning in all of them.

[Simenon]

I didn't actually read the thread, though. I just posted in all of the threads on my watch list.

[Simenon]

And then, when I saw a reply, I clicked on the linky thingie again and read post 484.

[Simenon]

See: 489.

[Simenon]

See: 489

[Simenon]

I don't think Aimee is scum. I think that there's an hour before the deadline hits, and an Aimee lynch is better than no lynch.

[Simenon]

You have GOT to be kidding me? You don't think she's scum, but you're still gonna vote her? She's already at 4 (without your vote) and leading the way. You are gonna have alot of explaining to do tomorrow, I hope you're ready cause I'll be right on you, count on it.

Why not? What would you prefer? Do you think a nolynch is better than voting someone you don't think is scum?

[Simenon]

It's not breaking a tie, pdcakes, it's making sure we have a fucking lynch before deadline.

[Simenon]

Their are no particular deadlines as yet, however if dicussion starts to lag I will install one. If at a deadline no player reaches a majority, their will be a no-lynch and we move into night

[Simenon]

I believe Simenon's statement of "Not believing Aimee is scum but STILL voting" is the scummiest.

I have explained my reasoning for this and I don't regret it.

[Simenon]

His reasoning is because an Aimee lynch is better than no-lynch, but how about a scum lynch instead? He didn't even read the thread. The only person who could vote for someone to lynch on a whim, without even reading the thread, and think it is better than a no lynch can only be scum.

I'm sorry, but a random lynch is better than a no lynch. A lynch on someone I thought was scum wasn't possible at that point, so I went with the next best option- voting someone who could be realistically lynched.

[Simenon]

But, as I must be saying for the fourth time, I didn't know the vote wasn't necessary. The rules I read stated that there would be a nolynch if a majority wasn't reached.

[Simenon]

But it was also stated that if there was a TIE than there would be no lynch. There was no tie at the time and everyone had weighed in (pdcakes might not have had a vote, but I'd have to check)

Not in the first post.

I would be much better with a player saying they didn't feel good about a lynch of the current person and vote somebody they felt was scummy.

This isn't a question of what you feel would be scummy, this is a question about the proper play, which with the information I had I believed was the right one.

It's an easy way for a scum to come in late, go along with a bandwagon and vote off a townie and than come back later and say "My bad, I messed up with the vote count"

...
whut

[Simenon]

Listen whether you made a mistake or not isn't up for discussion, you could easily be lying about knowing what was the proper procedure or not. If you would have properly read the thread (especially the latest pages) BEFORE casting your vote you would have known the procedure as it was stated in the thread by the mod.

It's not?
Yes, I could be easily lying. Any explanation in mafia can be reduced to "whether you made a mistake or not isn't up for discussion, you could easily be lying." This is not a way the game should be played.

Your vote looks calculated and a way to lynch off a townie, hence why you are my #1 suspect here in Day 2.

Back it up.

[Simenon]

I've just backed up my reasoning the last two pages on you. You swooped in late,

I made the slacking post in all my five games.
Already explained count: one.

made sure the Aimee lynch went through

lol. Of course I made sure the Aimee lynch went through. Interesting you don't take any responsibility for it despite the fact you were on it.

and now you're saying you didn't know what the procedure was for in lynching.

I didn't have the chance to read the thread so I assumed Theopor was abiding by his previous rules. Why is that a bad assupmtion?
Already explained count: two.

You've been around since 2006 (according to your join date) for you to make the game believe you didn't know what you were doing in your lynch is laughable at best.

What do join dates have to do with deadline rule inconsistencies?

You didn't read the thread properly,

I didn't have time to do so before the deadline, obviously.
Already explained count: three.

you voted off a top candidate

Yes, in mafia, someone has to vote off the top candidate. This is how people die and games go into other days and such and such.

and now you are back peddling.

Back it up.

yea, I think I'm going to

Vote ryan

[Simenon]

My case on him does not include the note, no.

It does, however, involve everything I have answered already.

[Simenon]

Wow, so a role that both outs scum

and

confirms town roles. Anybody else thinks that's ridiculously unbalanced?

More later. lolprimate.

[Simenon]

I mean that in a "if I was scum" way. For the people who actually trust this theory: how is this role balanced?

[Simenon]

Also, after reading your posts for podtells, Adele is pretty much useless in every game.

[Simenon]

My first thought of reading ThinMan to be honest was "what a jerk". I should have known who it was immediately. :p

What I find odd about the notes is that SirWario wrote them with such formality. It's also interesting to note the how he lowered the severity. "Be wary of X" is not "OMG confirmed scum."

I want to know how any of those who thought the note could be credible thought about the balance of such a role.

I'm fairly certain that Gorgon, ckd, pdcakes, and Thin_man are town. The last one is based on an out of game reference.

[Simenon]

freud lolz

[Simenon]

Nobody is answering my question. )

[Simenon]

I am 99% sure the mafia can not roleblock..or if they can, they get one shot to do it.

Why?

Was wondering this too.

If I may be blunt, don't be dense.

[Simenon]

Sorry, I read that wrong.

[Simenon]

ugh.

Unvote
Vote GodofWine

Post 703 is an overreaction for the books.

[Simenon]

I find ryan's prodding to be fairly obviously motivated by the fact he wants to get me lynched. Can't get me lynched for the reasons already stated, so why not paint me as a lurker?

That said, I have a lot of work to do so I need time to read up on this game.

[Simenon]

I'm interested Ryan. I want to see where you have asked me to clarify my day one play. I'm perfectly willing to respond to it.

It should be noted that GOW is voting ckd, our claimed vig, for some reason.

right now, my vote is not endangering you, so im leaving it

This is particular is bugging me and is reading more like "I'm too lazy to move my vote, sorry."

And to answer your question, GoW:
1.

Gorgon, you are a moron. You totally manipulated the point I was making about posting scumlists.

Scum tend to use the word manipulation more than townies (ooh an assertion).
2.

There is a difference between suspicious and scummy, which you apparently don't understand.

3.

Also, lame and easy reasons? Like you're the Einstein of the game so far.

4.

P.S. - Gorgon, change your avatar so everybody doesn't hate you anymore

5.

You really haven't made any progress towards the clearing of your name, besides a quite possibly specious vig claim

These quotes especially make 703 sound like a frantic scum reaction.

[Simenon]

SEND THE VECTOIDS

[Simenon]

What are you talking about? Please point out anything I haven't answered.

[Simenon]

Huh. Interesting. I still don't know what I should clarify.

Well I don't like some of the things he said, I don't find most of them scummy, and I don't like how Simenon is attacking him over them, which I DO find scummy

Unvote, Vote:Simenon

what

[Simenon]

1) First off I would like some sort of explanation for your lurking on Day 1 AND your lurking right up until deadline. You went a good 5-6 pages without commenting one time, came in during deadline

So, let's take a count of things I've already explained. Here's one.

I had limited access and a lot of work around that time. In fact, I even made a post to that effect!
Some of us don't share your ubiquitousness.

2) Why you voted Aimee near deadline when you CLEARLY admitted you hadn’t read the thread or knew what was going on

Already explained count: 2.
Because I thought it would get her lynched, which was better than a no lynch. We discussed this in detail.

3) Post 495 says that you didn’t think Aimee was scum YET you were happy with her vote before deadline (when we weren’t in danger of a no lynch, which was your reasoning)

Already explained count: 3.
Again, I didn't realize we weren'd in danger of a nolynch. Besides, did it really matter? Aimee was going to be lynchd regardless of rather I landed that vote or not. It was an attempt to make sure.

4) Post 643 says you are fairly certain that Gorgon, ckd, pdcakes, and Thin_man are town YET you give no reasons for WHY they are town

No, and I will continue not to do so. If everybody gave a reason as to someone may be town, the scum will know who to kill at night. Mafia theory!
That wasn't day one anyway.

You have done ZERO scum hunting on Day 2

lie.

you've constantly used the "I'm busy but I'll re-read later" excuse.

back it up

I haven't seen one reason for you NOT to be the lynch here on Day 2

That makes a lot of sense.

You can say I'm prodding people to vote you, or pushing your lynch but what I really want is something content laden from you for once, something actually worth calling "scum hunting"

I want you to read the game, although the fact that you're scum probably means that excuse will fall on deaf ears. ):

Unvote/Vote: Simenon

You're already on me, thanks.

Anything else? Preferably something I haven't explained.

[Simenon]

what

[Simenon]

vote simenon vote simenon vote simenon!!!!

"Umm could i have some clarifications please!"
"What do you want me to clarify?"
"UMM ur day one play what else."
"What in particular that I haven't answered?"
"Lynch simenon lawl!"

Now I expect you'll answer "Cus you haven't clarified ur day one play!"

[Simenon]

Kabs, contrary to what ryan may claim I have done my work and everything that has been requested of me while you have simply sat there making vague and somewhat unintelligible arguments.

I want something I can respond to.

[Simenon]

my goodness Simenon, my response was much more eloquent than "um... etc."

No, no, it really wasn't, sorry. ):

I said before I know you have "defended" yourself, but your recent posts have been, in my own frank opinion, crap.

Okay. why?

I wish, instead of you saying I have already defended this before, that you restate it instead of saying I have already explained that. If you would, explain it again.

I did restate. Way to lie.

ps- seeing as how I can't vote, my vote simenon rant was more to assert my view that simenon is the most scummy player atm. He says I am saying "Lynch simenon lawl!" Overreaction: noted.

vote simenon vote simenon vote simenon!!!!

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Also, it should be noted that you say I am overreacting yet you don't mention ryan's 746.

Sense you not make

[Simenon]

You're being awfully cryptic here.

Hee hee, you answered this one yourself...

Gosh, I'm sorry. Here, let me rephrase the question so you don't dodge it:
What about my recent posts have been crap?

3. post 475: a beautiful response that evidently shows you... not restating as you said you have.

You haven't read the game, have you.




What about my reaction did you not like?
Why about ryan's reaction did you think was natural? Would you have acted in the same way?

[Simenon]

1) First off I would like some sort of explanation for your lurking on Day 1 AND your lurking right up until deadline. You went a good 5-6 pages without commenting one time, came in during deadline

So, let's take a count of things I've already explained. Here's one.

I had limited access and a lot of work around that time. In fact, I even made a post to that effect!
Some of us don't share your ubiquitousness.

2) Why you voted Aimee near deadline when you CLEARLY admitted you hadn’t read the thread or knew what was going on

Already explained count: 2.

Because I thought it would get her lynched, which was better than a no lynch. We discussed this in detail.

3) Post 495 says that you didn’t think Aimee was scum YET you were happy with her vote before deadline (when we weren’t in danger of a no lynch, which was your reasoning)

Already explained count: 3.

Again, I didn't realize we weren'd in danger of a nolynch. Besides, did it really matter? Aimee was going to be lynchd regardless of rather I landed that vote or not. It was an attempt to make sure.

4) Post 643 says you are fairly certain that Gorgon, ckd, pdcakes, and Thin_man are town YET you give no reasons for WHY they are town

No, and I will continue not to do so. If everybody gave a reason as to someone may be town, the scum will know who to kill at night. Mafia theory!

That wasn't day one anyway.

You have done ZERO scum hunting on Day 2

lie.

you've constantly used the "I'm busy but I'll re-read later" excuse.

back it up

I haven't seen one reason for you NOT to be the lynch here on Day 2

That makes a lot of sense.

You can say I'm prodding people to vote you, or pushing your lynch but what I really want is something content laden from you for once, something actually worth calling "scum hunting"

I want you to read the game, although the fact that you're scum probably means that excuse will fall on deaf ears. ):

Unvote/Vote: Simenon

You're already on me, thanks.

Anything else? Preferably something I haven't explained.

Explanations in fucking bold.

FFS read the game

[Simenon]

Simenon: I believe it's already been stated that your answers aren't being believed. I READ that earlier in a post.

That wasn't directed at you.

[Simenon]

I think that there has been some good discussion today. Mostly against Simenon, which I have no problem with.

Funny how you have still failed to provide an argument.

[Simenon]

There is no "we" about this. You have simply failed to provide an original argument for my lynch.

"um I don't believe it" is NOT an argument.

Unvote
Vote Kabenon

[Simenon]

ps...
nice OMGUfrickinS. any particular reasons other than desperation, anger, stupidity? Just checking

No, learn what "OMGUS" means, or better, please join the next coming newbie game and learn how to play mafia. You are possibly the most obnoxious player I have ever read here.


Hay guys, you know what the word "orginal" means help me out her.

[Simenon]

Um... where else have you been accusing me? I been accusing you this whole time, you make no argument against me... OMGUS

So even with this entire four pages of my interrogation you can't make the logical conclusion that it's part of the reasonI'm voting you?

Also, I did provide a reason for voting you. RTFG

[Simenon]

He had replied with

one liner sarcastic comments

, failed to present an argument that I find plausible,

appealed to emotion

, dodged questions

Why is the former scummy and back up the latter.

[Simenon]

Rereading

[Simenon]

Vote Count

To the argument that "scum are less likely to pay attention", I HAD POSTED I WAS WITHOUT ACCESS IN ALL OF THE OTHER GAMES, WHICH IS WHAT I SAID WHEN THAT ARGUMENT WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE. sheesh.

It honestly seems that there's a reason I'm repeating things, and I think that reason is the scum here are trying their best to cement this as a label. Well, folks, it just doesn't work when the opponent has given a reason for every single attack brought up here.

Also, "I was just testing you to see if you were consistent but you dodged it lawl" is inane.

[Simenon]

It's also very interesting to note that you took a line of thought that wasn't even directed against you (that scum are more likely to not pay attention), and decided to respond as if it were part of an attack on you.

That's unfortuantely true. I really haven't been able to get involved with this game. Partially because when I try, I get consistently attacked for irrational reasons.

I tend not to suspect more than one person in a game. This is just like how "FoS" doesn't exist in my playstyle. I'm a stubborn person with a one-track mind. Focussing on more than one tends to make me just flail around.

[Simenon]

Dammit... No, I was scum with Twomz and Simenon

^5 btw. That was awesome would try again +