Mini 442 - Beast Wars Mafia Game Over

[Skruffs]

Hello everyone.
What is the situatoin?
Why is Albert voting me?
Guess I have to read...
in the meanwhile,

Vote : Albert

for trying to push a lynch on a replacee before they have a chance to get their bearings.

[Skruffs]

Jordan, obviously you are unable to quote your PM, but seeing as your role is a Predacon, does it indicate that you will win alongside the Maximals?

It says I win when all anti-town players are eliminated.

This is odd, and his win condition is not in the same format as my own is.
Maybe it's because he's a claimed power role.. or a predacon? Hmm.

[Skruffs]

(that is assuming that you've got a protown win condition, which I don't)

I was originally going to say that you yourself do not have a protown win condition, by your own admission, but then I realized that you COULD just be saying that you don't assume I have a protown win condition. But you have REALLY got to learn to phrase yourself better.

There is no "Vanilla Townie" PM on the first page, which is something I'm surprised hasn't been exploited yet. OR has it been? I don't know.
I do know that jordan claims his win condition involves players - mine doesn't. I won't get any further into it than that, but I think this is either a mistake on the mod's aprt or a bad claim by Jordan.

Albert, go suck on a doughnut. I don't respond well to blatant, baseless threats. What do you want me to analyze? I think I caught scum with my second post - why all the hostility?

[Skruffs]

Well when I mod, usually I just copy the same win condition for everyone.

If everyone has teh same win condition, they win at the start of day one. Different groups have different win conditions.

Yaymee.

[Skruffs]

You are assuming there is a cop.

=confused= - You don't seem to particularly care that his win condition is different than the Maximals. Interesting. Presumably, now, there are three types of win conditions in play. That of Mafia (one left, or maybe 0), town (Maximal) and the third kill group, presumably an SK since nobody has claimed it as vig. I did some matha nd decided that there probably are not four win conditions. If power roles have a different win condition than vanilla townies, I would prefer neither power roles or vanilla townies to explicitly point out how they might differ, because he has claimed a power role. So that is his only out.


Jordan is my top suspect, at this moment, but it's not worth voting him yet. The other person who claimed predacon was scum. Is there any others in the game? More than one would be enough for me to take his claim at face value..

[Skruffs]

Confused, i am basing m opinion of him on how he's'playing. I think he fudged up a fake claim. I have no way of knowing wether he is a roleblocker or not, either because i have no night action, i did not use my night action, or my night action does not provide me with results that would refute that.
i doubt that a mini would have a godfather *and* a roleblocker, not without three or four power roles, so i suppose that if jordan can prove he is one, everything is copescetic.since he cant, i will have to look at if there was some reason to think TG was scum or if he is claiming to have targetted people that he were likely not power roles. I need to read the game, obviously, and am working on that.

[Skruffs]

Actually, okay, Megatron was a Predacon. So that's cool.

Jordan claimed one win condition and then stated that he didn't actually state his real win condition. That, to me, says something. I'm not sure why I should be looking at other players, until this gets resolved? Not that I am lazy or anything, but, if the nail has been hit on the head once, why tap all the other nails a bit, too?

Dusk, I'm confused. What's going to bite me on the ass? And what does that have to do with my avatar? :sulk: I like cookies.

[Skruffs]

That's your coverup, Jordan. And you are also wrong. You could have stated what it took for you to win. It says not to quote PMs from the mod - but it doesn't say you couldn't have just said what yoru win condition was. I wouldn't consider that a quote. Otherwise you couldn't have claimed at all.

I do need to read the game, Confused, I'm not saying I don't. Instead of just saying "Read", which I am going to do, why not point out some of the case against me? It seems that the biggest case against TG is that

Albert, what part of the reread decided that I should be lynched? Specifically. I want to make sure you are not just being oppurtunistic, here.

There is something else that is bugging as well.

Jordan has used Wikipedia to read up on Beast Wars. I have not. I am currently wondering at what level of interpretation to use for this discrepancy in behaviors.

1. I am a dumbass, everyone should go to Wikipedia and read everything about the theme of which their game is based upon.

No, that's not it. I am obviously not a dumbass.

2. Jordan is scum who is making up a claim.

Ok, yes this could be the situation. Especially if Scorponok is a safe claim. Then he would have to go to Wikipedia to look up things about Scorponok to come up with a plausible total claim to make this wagon go away. However, why exactly would he use a Deceptacon, as Fraggle has helpfully pointed out? Surely he would know that there would be a flavor battle to be lost in that? This then leads to door number 3.

3. Jordan is telling the truth.

GASPETH!!! With certain peoples' peculiar reactions after his big reveal, I'd say that maybe, no matter how uncomfortable this reality may be to accept, this option has some merit. In addition, it explains his reluctance to claim, as he knows he has flavor that totally sucks as a defense.

Unvote

for now to let people to respond to this, and to my last post.

P.S. @ Hackerhuck, "for most of the game" I didn't do entirely too much probing and prodding of a lot of people because I like to keep a few main suspicions and filter most of the rest out. But when something actually important happens, then maybe you need to reconsider your assessment.

I like this post. It sums up things.

[Skruffs]

I believe that you said you didn't actually state what it took for you to win, because if you did, you would be mod killed. I am trying to give you the chance to clear yourself after pickign up a misclaim tell, and you are tryign to get ME lynched for it?

[Skruffs]

(By the way, my win condition doesn't read like either Skruff's or Jordan's discription.)

That's awesome.

How do you know what my win condition reads like?

Fos: Dusk

Also, how do you know that lynching Jordan is a mistake?

[Skruffs]

Right, but I never actually say what my role involves, does it? So how would you know that yours is different than mine? Are you claiming a non-maximal role? THat 's the only information I've given about my role.
So who's putting words in who's text?

Does everyone have a different win condition? If so, that changes things - a lot.

[Skruffs]

If it's not a mistake - or if it is - how would you know if lynching jordan is going to come back to bite me in the ass?

[Skruffs]

Thank you, aimee.

[Skruffs]

Rrrrm...
*thinks about that*
If the unconfirmed who is a townie, gets lynched, then with two night kills, we wind up with 4 players - 2 confirmed, the other two scum.

So, Albert, you were wrong, but I do appreciate you giving up.

[Skruffs]

Aimee - cop
Lowell - mason
Skruffs - cleared maximal
Jordan - claimed role blocker

Dusk - ?
confused - ?

albert - SK

Obviously nobody should try to vote anyone until confused makes a statement...
But if we lynch albert as scum today, jordan can role block one of the two non confirmed, aimee investigate the other. If someone dies, it will be from the one aimee investigated, and if nobody dies, we'll have aimee's investigation to clear or condemn the other.

Should be a slam dunk.

[Skruffs]

preeetyy much, it's very similar to a jester type action.

We could always lynch one of dusk/confused, and jordan roleblock Albert...

[Skruffs]

Actually, jordan, you should block the most likely scum, and aimee should investigate the other. We want aimee to be alive tomorrow, to confirm her result, and so we want to keep the most likely scum from killing.

[Skruffs]

Definitely both power roles should claim who they are targetting to ensure total success.

[Skruffs]

Whatsucks is that lowell isn't cleared.

[Skruffs]

No, I'm suggestign that it sucks that neither you or STD breadcrumbed that your aprtner's innocence was guaranteed. I'm not doubting your masonismness, merely your alignment. But I am not going to check it out until other avenues are checked out, first.

[Skruffs]

vote : albert s rampage

[Skruffs]

I would say block confused, investigate dusk. Dusk seems less likely scum, to me. If the cop dies, lynch dusk, and if dusk is town, block the mason?

[Skruffs]

*patpat*

[Skruffs]

Might as well move your vote to =confused=, albert. Or yourself! Yis.

[Skruffs]

lets lynch now, find replacements later

[Skruffs]

So sayeth the claimed SK.

[Skruffs]

Lowell - why is confused a better play than Jordan?

[Skruffs]

My apologies, allow me to rephrase:
Lowell, why is confused a better lynch target than claimed-SK Albert?

[Skruffs]

Okay okay I lied lol, I'm the SK. I wanted to kill Aimee last night but she used her charm against me >.>



Dusk is mafia. I knew this since I killed the other scum. I didn't think there would be so many power roles in this game, ah well. I find that even if I did my best, it didn't amount to much.

So there you go. I won't vote myself, you know.

Eh, I accept my fate. Aimee deserves this one in retaliation for Friends and Enemies.

Then you are a liar? OR the mafia? Or what...

[Skruffs]

Beast Wars Mafia

Dead

FraggleScum, Vok (Mafia Godfather), lynched Day One

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Seriously, you think there are two godfathers?

There are 2 scum between Lowell, Dusk, Confused, and albert, the 4 of which I have listed in scumological order from least to most. Jordan, you are the only power role who should claim before hand who you are blocking - wether you die or not, we will know who Didn't do a kill that night. If there is a kill, that person isn't the killing role.

Aimee needs to target someone other than jordan's target, and shouldn't claim before hand.

Lowell trying to lynch someone other than claimed scum suggests he is aiming for a mislynch, very bad. Why not albert, lowell?

Assuming albert is sk as claimed, that leaves mafia.

If jordan blocks mafia (or mafia no kills to frame his target), aimee clears one of other two players, jordan blocks the same target, and mafia is trapped - break his own gambit or get investigated.

If jordan is killed, aimee clears or damns one of remaining two suspects, game over. If aimee is in fact lying, she's caught after a mislynch.

If aimee is killed, we have me, jordan, jordan's target vs other two players for a win.

With that laid out, i think anyone who hasn't named claimed should.

[Skruffs]

I would suggest blocking confused and inspecting lowell - if only because dusk is more verbal. If aimee dies, one of lowell/dusk is lynched - confused will be cleared - and if that doesn't work the other is blocked.

[Skruffs]

If ABR isn't scum,

he probably should not have claimed to be scum

.
I am very surprised that you would hold theories professed by an sk who claimed preemptively and then, after being shown how it WASN'T completely hopeless, started trying to wiggle out of his own claim... Over someone who has a cop cleared on it.

Remember, YOU BLOCKED ME LAST NIGHT. I can NOT be the sk, invest-immune or not.

[Skruffs]

I'm curious what i assumed too much of, though. I guess I assumed that aimee isn't naive, and that you aren't a quack. What else is there to assume?

[Skruffs]

Actually, just in case he has something up his sleeve, i think one of the uncleared players should hammer. <-paranoia

[Skruffs]

Dusk...
I'm cleared. I'm not mafia because I have a cop investigation on me, and I'm not SK because I was roleblocked on a night that the SK killed.

I'm town. Irrefutably.

Lowell can be a mason for all I care - but - it doesn't automatically make him Pro-Town. Do I think he is scum? With his claim, unlikely to be mafia, but possibly SK. He could have his own win condition, that StD didn't know about. (It's happened in other games).

Again, Jordan needs to say who he's targetting so that Aimee can target someone else. I'd say focus on Confused and you, Dusk, and move to Lowell if, say, nobody dies and you turn up innocent.

Contingency plans in a game about robot warriors, that's pro-town. Logic circuits ftw.

[Skruffs]

Beast Wars Mafia

Moderator: chaotic_diablo

Dead

7/12

FraggleScum, Vok (Mafia Godfather), lynched Day One

Aimee, Rattrap (Cop) Killed Night Three

Sorry guys, but I have no choice here.

I'm the cop.

I have an innocent on Skruffs, who I investigated Night 2), and also Jordan, who I investigated Night 1.

Lowell is thus a cleared roleblocker (not a godfather) unless Aimee was naive instead of paranoid.

Lowell, who did you block between confused and dusk? The other gets lynched. If that doesn't end the game, we lynch lowell in the morning.

[Skruffs]

poor Ryan.
Sorry, but you gotta go.And again, if ryan is dead, and not scum, block lowell. Or, if you want to block me again, do so, but make sure you say before day ends, JOrdan.

Vote : Ryan2

[Skruffs]

I should get to that reading of the game >.>

[Skruffs]

I'd like to say that with only two vanilla townies, it seems a bit over powered... Vig, Doc, Cop, role blocker, and two masons vs three mafia and an sk... could have pretty easily been broken with a massclaim day one.. >.> but i enjoyed it regardless

[Skruffs]

Ahhh... very interseting.
That almost happened anyways!