CPE/shea have page one
everybody else owns page two
the mod doesn't count, because he wouldn't let me have "Shitbuster" in that one upick game
why don't you try dayvigging me, sucka -- i know you won't!
Very close; the only think I'd change in that sentence is "sometimes".Yamahako wrote:Or he just wants to get rid of Anix. Anix can be annoying sometimesCavane wrote:I'm entertaining the idea that Quagmire may be a Jester. He's been pushing his random vote senselessly WAY past the time that everyone else has moved on. And just look at his last post.
let's establish a couple of important principles first.Ectomancer wrote:What benefit will the town derive from an Anix lynch? It seems not to matter to you whether he is town or scum, only that the lynch will somehow benefit the town.Quagmire wrote:i believe that i'm playing the game, good sirAniX wrote:I believe discussion last focused on The Prof. Quag and his refusal to play the game.
now we need to kill you in order to benefit the town
that's because shea is cool and knows what he's talking about. i don't know about his ranting and raving, because all of his posts have been way too long for me to read or pay attention to.Kison wrote:Well, put it this way, it's better to lynch than to not lynch. Quagisright about equality of chance. The thing I don't get is why you call AniX the most worthless player in the game. Sure, he and Ectomancer have been arguing, but StatusQuo was ranting and raving for a good two pages as well. Then again, I've never played with half of you all, so I wouldn't know from outside experience.
that is a good point. from the looks of it, though, we're on a quick path to a lengthy day, even (especially, now that my voting anix is the discussion point at the moment) considering my voting of anix.Ectomancer wrote:Right now, at best I could OMGUS AniX. I understand your reasoning, however that final sentence makes you a better play. It sounds like you are calling for a short end to the day by just lynching AniX and getting it out of the way. A short day one is not better for town.
well, what have you participated so far that hasn't already been said?anix wrote:Quag, you are clearly pushing a random vote long past the time random voting ended, with the most generic reasoning to ever hit the mafia street (who all could be mafia, so lets lynch someone for my own personal reasons). Its quite clear that you just aren't interested in playing the game, so you go "Well, AniX annoys me because I used to be friends with him but I didn't grow up and he did, so I feel left out in the rain" and proceed to random vote me and then push the vote long past its expiration date, and you push it with one second "because I said so" statements to boot. But I'll play your game, since your game is basically the only thing we have thus far:Would you please elaborate on how exactly you perceive I'll be, as you say, "worthless" to the town? Because right now, one of us is wasting the town's talk time on a grudge vote, and that person isn't me.
i am just as much working with the information as you. this is because THERE IS NO INFORMATION. there also will not be any information on a game starting with day one, so rest assured that any "information" that you think you're using is purely speculation and nothing more. keep that in mind.AniX wrote:What is there to say that hasn't been already said on day 1, especially a day 1 where we have had no night kill the night before. What I have done, and you have not, is actually tried to work with what information we have had to try to get to a point, whereas you go "I don't like AniX. vote vote vote.", and any evidence that isn't related to me is totally ignored by you. Someone could claim mafia, and since it doesn't fit the vote you "want" to make, its trash to you.Quagmire wrote: well, what have you participated so far that hasn't already been said?
and also, this isn't a random vote and i wouldn't consider it generic reasoning. generic reasoning is voting for somebody based off of some speculation at actions. voting for me would be generic reasoning; "well, quagmire said x, so i think he's mafia."
So I ask you: What have you done that wasn't counterproductive to the town getting scum? I think derailing conversation with your admitted "I want to" vote is worse than anything Aeyln (who I believe is our town's token lurker, with all of two posts and thus could be considered the most "worthless" under your guidelines) could do by not being here at all.
who said i'm trying to write off discussion? i believe that i've created plenty of discussion on why i think that we should lynch anix -- it's not like i could possibly expect everyone to blindly follow what i think. that will never happen in any mafia game on day one. ever.Cavane wrote:Writing off Day 1 because we don't "know" anything is a rubbish strategy. I'll give you that we have no solid information to go on, but let's say we listen to you, all vote AniX, and go to Night. Pure odds heavily favor him being town. Assuming he is, scum kill another townie, and we start D2.
What now? What do we know in D2 that we didn't know in D1, except that a couple of people (possibly even power roles) are out of the game? That information does us no good, expect to narrow down the selection for that day.
We need discussion. We need to see voting patterns established. We need to geteveryoneto talk so that we have some way of applying the information we get when we do end D1.
And for the record, I would much rather have AniX here right now than you. He's at least trying to get discussion going. You're trying to end D1 after all we've done is fight about what people are called.
if you were to read my logic, in no way am i trying to ruin the game experience of others. there's no useful actual information that's going to be thrown out there on day one; the best thing that anyone is going to come up with is speculation and theories.AniX wrote:I think we should vote Quag for poor word usage. Its about as valid and relevant to the game as any logic he has brought to the game at all.
I don't know if lynching Quag is the best answer, because we all know that being a asswipe who is ruining the game experience for others doesn't really translate to being mafia. I guess the best we could hope for is Quagmire to get fed up with our lack of support for his stupidity and ask to be replaced, thereby giving his potential townie role an actual player rather than a literal record that is damaged. But barring that, I would suggest we all just ignore him and focus on something else. It can be related to the Quag fallout, since thats basically all we got going for us, but voting Quag is going to get us shit nowhere at this point.
my reasons of why he's scum are intelligent.Ectomancer wrote:Those have been neither juicy nor intelligent.Quagmire wrote:juicy =/= intelligentThestatusquo wrote:Hm...Well, I want some more people to chime in. I personally think theres a LOT of information and I have some juicy things.
see: my thoughts on anix
promises unkept.Aelyn wrote:Hey all,
Sorry for the lack of posting of late, I've only had a few minutes at a time to get online.
I should be able to devote a good hour or so to this tomorrow and will be able to participate properly soon enough.
anix, i have valid reasons against you. throwing them away as if they're nothing is even scummier.AniX wrote:Lowell is the person who replaced BHNY.
Also, Yama, I don't know how I can possibly defend myself against an accusation you refuse to name. Is your plan to just randomly accuse people for doing scummy things that become "obvious" to you on a read-through, yet never mention what became obvious to anyone else but yourself? That might possibly be the worst plan in mafia history, short of claiming mafia day 1 first post erroneously (or truthfully, both are pretty bad plans). It screws the town out of information, prevents the mafia from getting lynched (if your random "obvious" read-through selection process happened to land on a scum through no skill of your own) since no one has ever been convinced to lynch someone based on the argument of "He is clearly scum, there is a post that proves it, but I will never ever tell the town what post".
Please, if you have "proof" against anyone, I ask that you show it sooner rather than later because we don't have time for games when the deadline is coming up fast, you claim to have information on one of the potential lynches, and you offer this potential lynch no chance to respond to any of the accusations against him because you refuse to identify what the accusations are. The lynch of me can be summed up with Quag being juvenile and you having proof that you can't show anyone. Or at the very least, try to explain why you can't reveal the posts you find suspect. Holding information from the town is NOT a town-friendly action, and if you aren't doing town-friendly actions I am going to assume you are not town-friendly, and vote accordingly.
Here you go:Thestatusquo wrote:AFAICT, your reasoning is basically "AniX does not help the town, therefore it is a good thing to lynch him. He also has as much chance to be scum as anyone else, so lynching him today is ok."
If I'm missing something, please direct me to it, but otherwise, it sure doesn't fly with me.
Quagmire wrote:if you were to read my logic, in no way am i trying to ruin the game experience of others. there's no useful actual information that's going to be thrown out there on day one; the best thing that anyone is going to come up with is speculation and theories.AniX wrote:I think we should vote Quag for poor word usage. Its about as valid and relevant to the game as any logic he has brought to the game at all.
I don't know if lynching Quag is the best answer, because we all know that being a asswipe who is ruining the game experience for others doesn't really translate to being mafia. I guess the best we could hope for is Quagmire to get fed up with our lack of support for his stupidity and ask to be replaced, thereby giving his potential townie role an actual player rather than a literal record that is damaged. But barring that, I would suggest we all just ignore him and focus on something else. It can be related to the Quag fallout, since thats basically all we got going for us, but voting Quag is going to get us shit nowhere at this point.
by the way, i'm pretty sure that you're evil right now anyway, regardless of whether or not you think my theory is valid. you're completely downplaying all of my logic and acting as if you're above it, when everybody else who hasn't agreed with me has at least challenged me and put pressure on me (see: kison).
on that note, though -- what should we focus on, anix? have you had anything useful to participate so far? the answer, of course, is a resoundingno; the only contributions you've made is an occasional chime-in of condescending mantra over how my logic is stupid and worthless, combined with a total lack of display of emotion and defense of me otherwise. this is duly noted, because if you pursued any alternatives, you would be totally viewed as scummy -- an emotional, OMGUS response would be a sign of weakness and nerves.
i disagree, then, with the people who say that i've contributed less than anix. i have contributed way more to the discussion and day then lurker anix has -- considering all he's been doing is being totally inoffensive to everyone and defending everyone who he gets a chance to.
happy, guys? kison? i'm scumhunting and speculating.
read my posts yesterday.Lowell wrote:how is anix the play as a result of yesterday?
I answered it.Cavane wrote:Quag: Are you refusing to answer my earlier question, or did you not notice it? Just in case, here it is again:
If AniX had been killed Yesterday, who would be the play Today?
This should be done in the next day or two.Quag wrote:as for looking at other people: yes, i'll do that sometime soon -- i don't see the day ending with a quicklynch, to be honest -- so i'll take a look at other people and come up with cases on them.
Damn, I thought that I had posted my post already. I guess the grey screen of death got in my way.Thestatusquo wrote:dood, you realize it was a day start, right?
I now know who my second suspect is right behind AniX. You haven't commited to anything at all this game -- only "thinking out loud" logic BS -- and when you're using actual logic, it's all been spouted already by other people in a conspicuous attempt to join the most attractive bandwagon. I note that before me, your only two votes have been for Yamahako and DeanWinchester -- both whom, at the time, had the third vote placed upon them. Every single one of your votes so far has been a vote that has placed someone as the leading vote-getter. This does not bode well for our townsmanship, methinks.Cavane wrote:This is exactly why all the role discussion was a bad idea. We know next to nothing, and now everyone's confused and unsure of what to do. I'm tired of this stagnancy.
Vote: Quagmire. We need a bandwagon.
I don't understand this. Other than AniX, who has targeted me? How do you reason that at least 50% of the game has a night ability (which isn't absurd in the first place)?Yamahako wrote:NK immune with multiple flavors - and a convenient lie on your part would make sense of last night. I've never really seen a role (though I could conceive of one) that would roleblock everyone that targets a particular person. Though, that would mean 25% of people targeted you last night... and we had a kill, so that's 33% of the town with a night action - oh and you said you were roleblocked as well, which insinuated you had a night action so that would be 42% of the game. Oh and our name investigator died last night (50% of the game), and we had one vanilla townie who died yesterday. That would mean 58% of the game in some way was either you, targeting you, or dead. And that at LEAST 50% of the game has a night ability.
I was nightkilled (or, attempted to be nightkilled)? How do you know?Or else, you're NK immune with some trippy enchantery flavor. The most common NK immune roles are a GF or an SK. Add to that the fact that you're not a cop (yeah I'm dumb sometimes), and your driving like obsession yesterday (almost game halting) to lynch AniX.
I still don't know where yama gets his statistics from. How does he know that I was attempted to be nightkilled? All that I've seen so far is that both AniX and Yama both targeted me last night, and were blocked. Unless Yama has a killing role...DeanWinchester wrote:My vote on quag had reasoning. I liked Yama's reasoning, this game is incredibly stagnant and a good bandwaggon always helps, Plus I'm mad at quag.
DEAN: THere's your reasoning right there. Do a quick reread and look for Cavane posts, and you'll see what I mean.Quagmire wrote:I now know who my second suspect is right behind AniX. You haven't commited to anything at all this game -- only "thinking out loud" logic BS -- and when you're using actual logic, it's all been spouted already by other people in a conspicuous attempt to join the most attractive bandwagon. I note that before me, your only two votes have been for Yamahako and DeanWinchester -- both whom, at the time, had the third vote placed upon them. Every single one of your votes so far has been a vote that has placed someone as the leading vote-getter. This does not bode well for our townsmanship, methinks.Cavane wrote:This is exactly why all the role discussion was a bad idea. We know next to nothing, and now everyone's confused and unsure of what to do. I'm tired of this stagnancy.
Vote: Quagmire. We need a bandwagon.
Cavane, you haven't pointed out any new or useful scumhunts, just ones that other people have said. Combine that with your total reluctance to vote for anybody thatCavane wrote:The Quag wagon failed to get anything going other than actually getting him to vote someone other than AniX. (Of which I am personally very proud.) Therefore, I will Unvote Quagmire and reconsider my position, since the replacement is among us. I'm thinking about renewing my case on Dean. Between the things I pointed out Yesterday and Yama's trap, I'm not feeling good about him.
Well, I've already explained how AniX and Cavane are scum, but you've been recklessly bandwagoning the entire game and people have brought up good cases against you.DeanWinchester wrote:The post where I showed up just to vote cavane was an attempt just to get things going.
@Quag: I would like you to explain how me, anix, and cavane are scum together.
Dean, no need to be so defensive -- you know that's a scumtell.DeanWinchester wrote:Ok im totally lost at why poeple are attacking me. I have explained my votes and pointed at how the cavane vote was to things going.
Hey ecto: When you make a vote with no reasoing it's a pretty good bet you are going to get called on it and therefore cause discussion. What part of that do you not understand?