Mini 461 "24" Game Over. Roll Credits

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm happy with Yosarian as director.

Actually, I trust the lurkers more than the rest. Not receiving roles really screwed us over :S

Guardian and the two other lurkers besides me likely vanilla :S

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: Guardian

for complaining about not receiving a role pm >.>

[Albert B. Rampage]

Dude just vote Guardian, its obvious he's town unless he lied about not receiving a role pm.

[Albert B. Rampage]

FoS: Everyone who posted on the first page besides Guardian

[Albert B. Rampage]

Xdaamno, CTD and CDB are high on my list of suspects. Xdaamno especially sounds terrorist with:

I haven't recieved my role yet :O

Kidding...

And attacking Guardian.

Bullying Korran.

Electing CTD. (He's electing who I think is most suspicious!)

[Albert B. Rampage]

EBWOP one of those I think is most suspicious*

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's interesting how many different people are trying the whole "I'm going to say I didn't get a role PM and therefore the fact that I said that that PROVES that I'm a good guy!" shtick. Some of them may be telling the truth, but I'm really wondering if the scum before the game all messaged each other and said "hey, guys, look at that in the rules, looks like townies don't get a role PM. When the game starts, make sure you all pretend you didn't get a role PM, ok guys?" Too many people are being way to obveous about saying they didn't get a role PM, when even if you skimmed the rules the fact that townies didn't get role PM's should have been obveous to anyone posting after Xdaamno's post #4, and that includes everyone.

There was no confirmation, we didn't even know the game

existed

. Obvious vanillas are the 2 lurkers.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There are 3 vanilla-lurkers according to that Albert; UltimaAvalon is still AWOL.

I was wondering why the whole town seemed scummy...

Hell yeah, it doesn't make sense for mafia to lurk at this stage. I am convinced.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Yosarian2

because he's reasonable. I just can't bring myself to trust Guardian anyway; he looks scummy in every game.

Think what you want yos, they are confirmed innocent to me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Of course he would do a good job.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not convinced he is town, but I rather have Yos than Guardian. Both Guardian and YB seem unstable. CDB is a bit too stubborn based on what I know of him, and CTD sounds useful, but I have more confidence in the abilities of Yos based on the games I've been with him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm sure Albert is town because we both did not get a PM and found about the game when we got prodded. You say we could have plotted this from the beginning as scum, but from my perspective, I know that didn't happen. So in my book, we're practically a mason group.

Exactly. On the downside, one of us is probably going to die - either that or it will make it easier to find Jack Bauer by deducting the two of us

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'd rather have Yos as director for day 1 because of his experience, but I will keep a close eye on him, as everyone should.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Day 1, hour 1, you know what I mean.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm actually interested in a few opinions of myself. Ultima just touched on me, but I seem to have not attracted much attention despite being one of the to poster in the first half of hour 0. I'm usually one of the first guys lynched -_-'

Anyway, guardian's once again jumping players with no good evidence from my POV. IGMEOY *twisted*

I'm pretty sure yos is being elected, so want to move onto game theory?

I already said you sounded terrorist 8)

[Albert B. Rampage]

As for me, this would be my ideal setup:

Director: Yos
Deputy: UltimaAvalon
CIA: Spambot(I trust him more than YB, Xdaamo)
SIA: ChanelDelBird
Counterintelligence Agent: Albert B. Rampage
Crypto: OffTheMark
Crypto: Eyceking
Field Agent/Bodyguard on OTM: Xdaamno
Field Agent/Bodyguard on counterintelligence agent: YB
White House: Korran
FBI: Guardian
NSA: CrashTextDummie

[Albert B. Rampage]

If you believe I'm most likely town, I want to be counterintelligence. I feel it is one of the most useful roles to route the terrorists.

@CTD: I use watched topics exclusively, I never do it manually.

[Albert B. Rampage]

However, we can't direct all the field agents; we've got at least 4 people we want to protect (counter-intellegence+3 cryptos, and perhaps others) and only 3 bodyguards to do it, so we'd probably want at least some of the field agents to not annoucne their choices to keep the scum guessing. Which means that not ALL of the field agents can be scummy looking people.

One possibility would be to assign one Field Agent to bodyguard all the Cryptos. That Field Agent would have to privately announce to the Director who he's protecting, but leave the rest of the town in the dark. That way, it would be a significant gambit for the scum to target one of the Cryptos, as there's a good chance their kill will go to waste. The Director could even arrange for Intel to be sent to that protected Crypto, to eliminate the chance of losing Intel.

Obviously, we'd have to be absolutely certain the Director is town for this to work.

That's a horrible idea because its placing too much confidence in the director. My level of trust in Yosarian is higher than some others, but definitely not to the point where we would give him that kind of information.

Look, the director can assign roles and talk privately. We can "sway" the director into assigning certain positions, but we cannot control what he says to who. Giving a scum the director position is one thing, giving him the control of the game is another.

[Albert B. Rampage]

As I said, I don't think there's much room for abuse.

I agree that putting that much trust into a single player, whether scum or town, may not be a good idea, though.

This plan is not going to work. In the end, the scum could just kill the analyst and cut the cryptos of all information.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't think we need any liaisons in the first few hours.

Mod: How long does it take to re-assign positions ?

We

could

follow your plan, but we are going to need a hell lot of manpower. 2 analysts, 3 cryptos, 1 bodyguard for each group.

That's 9/12 roles out already. That's why I'm against this plan.

I think counterintelligence is vital to have, and this position needs a bodyguard too. I volunteer for that position.

For the first 4 hours, we could mix these two strategies, and have 2 analysts, 3 cryptos, 3 bodyguards, 1 counterintelligence, 1 director and 1 deputy and 1 more position.

Mod: Can cryptos analyze more than one transmissions at a time ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yos, your most likely to be elected, what are your thoughts on the usefulness of the counterintelligence agent ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

There's no real faults in the main paragraph, there. By 'just a few' did you mean 'not too many'? Liasons seem to be some of the most versatile roles, though the usefulness of this is debateable.

As I said, I don't think we will need liaisons until later in the game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

With maybe about 3-4 terrorists in the mix, I think it is affordable to have 1 or 2 as cryptos, since all cryptos will confirm eachother once they have decrypted a code.

Its important for at least 1 SIA to be pro-town, so I suggest putting two players that have been going at eachother as SIAs; at least one must be town. We can figure which one if one tries to falsify data.

Bodyguards are expandable. If they don't do their job, we killem. The bodyguard protecting the counterintelligence agent

must

be pro-town, else the agent will be assassinated on the 4rth hour when he is about to deliver crucial information.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also, we can use the FBI as a correctional officer of sorts. If someone doesn't do their job, we can incarcerate them instead of sending them to their death right away.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ok now only one person isn't completely against me.

Um, who is with you ? Guardian ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Translation of the above:

Get replaced or get bent.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Forget the White House, we don't need that - at least not yet.

Mod: When we get assigned a position, do we get further instructions as to our options ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mod: What's the difference between Information Extraction(FBI action) and Investigate history(Counterintelligence action) ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

One is done by the FBI and the other is done by the Counterintelligence Agent...

I don't know if this has been answered but can the liaisons perform multiple tasks at a time ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Simple: take out FBI, put white house. Use ability, then put FBI at hour 5.

[Albert B. Rampage]

CTD as counter-intelligence ? Are you kidding me ??

[Albert B. Rampage]

Xdaamo as FBI ? LOL.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote guardian

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't trust CTD nor Xdaamo, and they are both burdened with finding the scum among us. That's just ridiculous.

[Albert B. Rampage]

His good scum-hunting abilities are good reasons not to lynch him, but not to give him a cop role. My reasons were in one of my first posts in the game:

Xdaamno, CTD and CDB are high on my list of suspects. Xdaamno especially sounds terrorist with:

I haven't recieved my role yet :O

Kidding...

And attacking Guardian.

Bullying Korran.

Electing CTD. (He's electing who I think is most suspicious!)

CTD and Xdaamno are not definitely pro-town nor anti-town, but have definitely raised a few eyebrows so they should be given roles where they can be mixed in with players with conflicting ideas, like SIA or crypto. Field agent should be reserved for more scummy players such as Korran.

Also, I think that no-vote might not be as suicidal as in regular mafia in this type of game. What do you guys think about that ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

FBI is more important than counterintelligence because of two major points:

1) He can be sped up
2) He has more abilities

Because I know I am pro-town, and Guardian would assign me this position, I would rather have him as director.

[Albert B. Rampage]

--simul-posted with you--

I am mostly suspicious of them because they were the first to post. The "joke" post is scummy because of the timing, not the content.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@yos: What are your thoughts on SpamBot ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Anyway, my plan is to have 3 players of completely unsure alignment as cryptos and 2 players of completely unsure alignment as SIAs so the scum won't know exactly who the information will be sent to.

If there is one player that is more trusted than another among SIA/crypto, then there is only need for 1 SIA/crypto, with 1 field agent protecting both.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh, indeed he did, I missed that one.

5/4 to Guardian then; considering there's hardly been any good argument for him, I'm quite confused.

Yos looks like a reasonable and capable player, that's why I voted him. I find myself disagreeing with his plan, which I don't like, so I voted guardian.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Director: UltimaAvalon - Word
Deputy: CTD - It was between Guardian and CTD, and I'm not liking Guardian, even though he supports the White House liaison plan

CIA: XDaamno - I agree with Yos that a cop should be someone who is already hunting for scums. It makes sense.

SIA: ???

Field Agent: Off TheMark
Field Agent: Korran

One FA Willing to convince us he's town he'll do whatever we say, and one so willing to prove himself he'll do whatever we say. Win-win situation

Crypto: Albert
Crypto: ChannelDelBird - I've only seen a little bit of CDB (Outside of this game) but he seems to be someone who knows what he's doing.
Crypto: ???

Liaison(FBI): Yos - Yos's setups seem to be geared more toward finding scum than helping Bauer, and thats dangerous. Here, he gets to find his scum, but it'll take him longer as a liaison than as CIA

Liaison(White House): Guardian - Just seems fitting to me to put the #1 Proponent of the White House Plan into the White House

Liaison(NSA): ??? - NSA is essentially another SIA, but with abilities that can also help Jack Bauer, which we may need.

Unplaced people:
Eyceking
Spambot
Yogurt

You can only send encrypted data to one crypto, why would you have 3 cryptos then ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You can only send encrypted data to one crypto, why would you have 3 cryptos ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You can only send encrypted data to one crypto, why would you have 3 cryptos ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

One crypto and one bodyguard on him is enough, don't you think ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You can only send encrypted data to one crypto, why would you have 3 cryptos ?

If there is multiple amounts of encrptyed Data.

And how will you ensure the safety of the data ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

What makes you think SIAs will capture something every single hour ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

All decryptions take 1 hour to complete.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What makes you think SIAs will capture something every single hour ?

Hmm. Don't they get a result every hour? The mod did say they receive all transmissions from the targeted player, which I was assuming meant that so long as the SIA is watching he gets a report every hour.

Although, now that I think about it, it could be that they only get a result when the watched player sends a transmission, or even multiple results in an hour if the person asks the mod multiple questions in an hour. That could be really ugly, if it means that a person who asks the mod 10 questions in an hour means the crypto has to spend 10 hours to decode them all.

mod:could you clarify how that works, exactally? Does the SIA send stuff to the crypto once per hour?

Exactly.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What happens when there are 2 SIAs ? Only one of them receives the information ? Can 1 SIA receive multiple messages ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yosarian, your setup is terrible. Mafia will probably only contact the mod to send in their NK, which can happen anywhere between hour 1 and 5, with 11 possible suspects, watching 2 players will not amount to many intercepts.

There should be ONE, and only ONE cryptologist at hour 1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

In any case, though, as nearly everyone has to send an action choice to the mod during the first hour, I would expect the SIA's to get one report each during the first hour.

What ? Why would they send in actions the first hour ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Maybe this has already been asked/answered, but can the director reassign players to new positions at will? If so, we could start with zero cryptos and then assign them as needed for decoding. There won't be any encrypted messages at the start of the game, after all.

Yes, it takes 1 hour to re-assign a position.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why wouldn't they? Why wouldn't a field agent start protecting someone hour 1, a cop start investigation someone hour 1, ect? The only people who don't have a night action are the director, the deputy director, and the cryptos, I believe. Everyone else has several different actions they could take, and which action they DO take could tell us a lot about their alignment.

Any action they do take will be known to us by the result of it a few hours later anyway. All we are concerned with is terrorists contacting the mod to send in terrorist actions, which can happen whenever. I'm not disagreeing with 2 SIA, I'm disagreeing with more than 1 crypto.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And if we've got 2 SIA's sending in regular reports, we're going to need more then 1 crypto, right?

I don't have a great feeling about this...even if there were regular reports, which I doubt, we would only need 2 maximum, 3 seems like a waste and a big risk.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Where do you place yourself

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay here we go:

knows what he's doing, and is probably town:
Albert B. Rampage
Off the Mark

doesn't know what he's doing, but is probably town:
UltimaAvalon
Guardian
Yosarian2

in the middle/undecided:
Spambot
Eyceking
Xdaamno
ChannelDelibird

don't trust:
Korran
YogurtBandit

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's right you bastards, I know exactly what I'm doing!

[Albert B. Rampage]

knows what he's doing, and is probably town

:
CrashTextDummie

When did that happen?

Albert:

You forgot me. Clear proof that you don't know what you're doing.

Oh, crap

[Albert B. Rampage]

al doesn't trust me?

If there were a "probably scum but doesn't know what the hell he's doing, that's where I'd have you"

[Albert B. Rampage]

Aren't the positions publicly revealed ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

My bad, read too fast.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I trust Off the Mark most, can I have him protect me ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think the setup Yos chose is pretty perfect, except for Xdaamno as FBI liaison.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think crytos should all have bodyguards; they are receiving information from at least 4 different sources. Even if the mafia kill 2 in 9 or 10 hours, there are still 2 sources of information to cryptos will need to decrypt. I say both bodyguards should be on cryptos until there is a confirmed innocent.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Its too damaging to lynch a townie, we have to wait until we get more information.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Heh, don't listen to Guardian, he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I get this horrible feeling Yos Albert and Xdaamno are scum together. Look at the key positions they fill. I am picking up on some interactions, too.

CTD, investigate Yos, and send your results to someone besides Albert...

My 'scumdar' is really going off here, I have a horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach about these three... It's like "wow, are they really pulling this off? or am I just crazy?"

I thought I'd post that now, I've been feeling it since 512, and on re-read I am much less certain Albert is town that I was. OTM could be town too, maybe I was overreacting... Wanted to let you guys know.

The reasons for which he is suspicious are imbecile. 512 wasn't even my post. If Yosarian were to be scum, I'd have my money on the FBI liaison and the counter-intelligence guy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Albert, it's hard to say my reasons for being suspicious are imbecile when I haven't even posted them yet....

Oh ? I thought the reasons was that we hold key positions the mafia want to fill.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I claim Jack Bauer. lolol

[Albert B. Rampage]

He replaced CDB.

[Albert B. Rampage]

"his intense desire to be dictator"

lmao

[Albert B. Rampage]

Tell Jack to investigate Downtown today. Like in that Petula Clark song..

[Albert B. Rampage]

Do we send in actions in the middle of the day ? Like could we get killed by the terrorists in the middle of the hour ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: nolynch

until we get something by our SIAs.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Someone investigate Hezbolla

My pick is The Hand of God. See how much that advances us ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Your still there, protecting either me or SpamBot. You should switch targets every hour. What do you think ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Send a pm to pooky, to the effect of protect: spambot(or rampage)

[Albert B. Rampage]

No, his duty is to protect. We can investigate later when we are short on men.

FoS: YB

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: YogurtBandit

Director, I would like to see you in your office 8)

[Albert B. Rampage]

C: Lookin' cool cos' I'm summoning people to meet me ^_^

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's a poor excuse. If you're pro-town, however, I don't want to investigate any further. IGMEOY.

By investigate, you mean making random assumptions and asking me irrelevant questions ? Or your power of investigation ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You said you would stop "investigating". What do you mean exactly ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll explain after I talk to him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What are the different target site choices ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Off the Mark, I don't trust these guys...can you protect me ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Rofl Yosarian sounds like an old mother hen: WHERE IS EVERYBODY !?!? *stares at the empty office*

[Albert B. Rampage]

Guys, vote off YB please.

[Albert B. Rampage]

lol ? What correct info ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Someone put him out of his misery...

Like MC Hammer would say, its HAMMER TIME!!!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Its a lynch...I'm looking forward to a great night scene lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

We need to re-assign someone to his position.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We need confirmation from Korran that he is protecting someone.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think we should assign a SIA to field agent, wait until the white house liaison is done with his job, then assign Eyceking to the position of SIA.

[Albert B. Rampage]

^

Scummy as hell.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The intercepted messages I have decrypted show that the individual we have been monitoring is clear so far.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Keep what secret ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Because Yosarian is being investigated by one of the intelligence agents.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Because Guardian, Yosarian and other players encouraged them to investigate the director.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Frozen Atlantic you loon, change targets.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: Spambot

following CTD's line of thinking.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Eyceking did you do your job day 1 ? I don't know if you've said it already btw.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It will be done hour 5 you mean.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It takes 4 hours to put pressure on the different agencies, so you will only be done hour 5.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Spambot, what did you decode hour 4 ?!?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yosarian, I feel it would be important to have another field agent, can you assign me to that position ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

A corporate re-shuffle is in order. Yeah we should have 2 cryptos.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Off the mark should go into crypto, that's all I know.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He's town, your town...what's the use ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You'd rather he be a field agent ? What if he goes off like YogurtBandit ? He's much better in a crypto position.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He wouldn't hide something if he wasn't scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Spambot.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Exactly.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes but give me a bodyguard.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am just about certain Yos is town.

wtf ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lmao you fell for that ?

Both CTD and Xdaamo were investigating Yos, killing Xdaamo wouldn't do shit.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Don't fish for info.

Vote: Yosarian2

I think this was all staged.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I wanted to see his reaction.

But CTD was investigating someone, and that person could have easily been one of the terrorists. Assassinating Xdaamno would not be as beneficial as canceling all the jobs at the same time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No, I have not. I expect him to send in messages much later in the game tough..

[Albert B. Rampage]

Like the terrorists ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes...if you publicly state where your going to send him, that's where the terrorists will ambush him. No ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Exactly how big is this building ? lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

/sign

As-Salamu Alaykum, my brother

[Albert B. Rampage]

I agree with you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I agree. We must lynch every hour.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Every hour that we can lynch, we should lynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We can't let Yosarian get away with screwing us over like that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scummy as hell ^

Unvote, vote FA

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm feeling very good about FA and Yosarian as scum atm. FA more so because of he hides behind a screen of role-play. I don't like how he goes after Guardian either. As for Yosarian, I am pretty sure that every position gives a certain advantage to the terrorists who have them. I think the director can switch jobs the way Yosarian did if he was a terrorist. All in all, FA is certainly the best play for today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Guardian, OTM, UA are all obvious town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

^^^ that makes no sense, man

QFT

[Albert B. Rampage]

I also haven't received a role yet.

I read from this that Guardian DID receive a role and didn't understand why Xdaamno wouldn't have received a role.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Were scum able to talk during director election stage ? I don't recall.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@mod: were the scum able to talk during the election of a director ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am fairly certain that OTM Guardian UA are town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're the bazillionth player to mention that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And that makes it less true??

Doesn't make it more related to the problem at hand.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let's lynch FA today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm a man of few words. Now let's just shoot this bastard down.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ultima Avalon needs to vote for someone...I'd like Xdaamnos opinion too

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't mind, but who are your top candidates to lynch this very hour ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Spambot we have to lynch someone, would you agree to put your vote somewhere ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've got to say I strongly disagree with you there, spambot. If we don't start lynching, and use all our lynches, we're basically betting the whole game on our ability to find the bomb. I frankly have no idea what our odds of doing that are or even quite how to do it and betting on that seems like a bad gamble to me. I'd rather actually play mafia here; lynch, try and find the scum, and use the bandwagons to get info, instead of just hoping that we find the bomb.

Should we try to find the bomb, with field agents or SIA's or whatever? Sure. But not at the expense of scumhunting.

QFT

I would rather put my life on the line and lynch every hour than staying idle and letting the scum get away as time passes by.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah Yos is definitely a strong player. If we could just get to lynching someone...

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well at the time I had decrypted information (the actions were investigations on you) so that you would be proven town or scum either way. Truth be told I never anticipated that ALL the investigations would be interrupted. And that's why I turned 180 degrees on you, really.

We have 0 investigations, and I think we have you to blame.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why not state that I think your on our side ? If your a terrorist, you will keep me alive for thinking your not. If your innocent, it would have been proven by your death or by the investigation.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Its best that you think that I "know" your town, even if that isn't the case. Do you see where I am getting at ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I would like to add that I stopped receiving SIA intel to decrypt, which I can only blame on FA. He must be hiding something from us.

[Albert B. Rampage]

When was that anyway ? I seem to recall that it was only a few hours before your alignment would be found. It doesn't make a huge difference, but the exact wording is "Not only that, but I will look good when the terrorists kill you and you are proven to be on our side", I didn't say you were innocent. I said that you would be innocent if the terrorists ever got to you, which only implied that I thought that you were town, and that the terrorists would assassinate you.

At the time I thought you were town, so I made the assumption that you would be assassinated by the terrorists. Even if you weren't going to be murdered, we would still have an investigation on you. I felt that we had you pretty cornered at that time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why are both SIAs sending info to spambot....?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't know, Albert. Perhaps they don't trust you?

Also, that is NOT something you should be saying in the thread; if both SIA's are sending all their info to Spambot, and you SAY THAT IN THREAD, that makes Spambot a huge target.

I would like to add that I stopped receiving SIA intel to decrypt, which I can only blame on FA. He must be hiding something from us.

No, that's because they were both sent to me. UA was watching Yos, results were that he switched positions back and ordered Jack Bauer to FDR park. I asked him about that last part in his office, and I'll leave it to him if he wants to reveal the reason. I was satisfied with it.

FA was watching CTD, who took no actions.

FA and Yosarian are indeed our scum. Let's lynch them ASAP. And I mean ASAP as in this very hour.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't know, Albert. Perhaps they don't trust you?

Also, that is NOT something you should be saying in the thread; if both SIA's are sending all their info to Spambot, and you SAY THAT IN THREAD, that makes Spambot a huge target.

I would like to add that I stopped receiving SIA intel to decrypt, which I can only blame on FA. He must be hiding something from us.

No, that's because they were both sent to me.

UA was watching Yos, results were that he switched positions back and ordered Jack Bauer to FDR park. I asked him about that last part in his office, and I'll leave it to him if he wants to reveal the reason. I was satisfied with it.

FA was watching CTD, who took no actions.

FA and Yosarian are indeed our scum. Let's lynch them ASAP. And I mean ASAP as in this very hour.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He sent the orders before the computer was hacked. No one was there to watch him at the time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yos I asked you to become a field agent pages ago...still waiting on it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There's no deadline but we should lynch asap to get the most deaths possible in.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We were sabotaged, all the investigative roles were switched, all the jobs were canceled.

[Albert B. Rampage]

petro, we seriously don't have much time in this game, the days pass incredibly fast, could you finish reading as soon as possible ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Page 32, post 297

FBI Special Report

At approximately 4 AM, Jack Bauer was ambushed in FDR Park, we have not IDed or located the shooters. Mr. Bauer amazingly escaped with just a flesh wound, we have no idea where the shooters fired from but we are currently sweeping the premises.

We believe Mr. Bauer was acting on faulty intel provided by CTU and have reason to suspect that extensive housecleaning is in order on your end.

CrashTextDummy has switched Jobs with Guardian Effective End of Hour 4

EyceKing has switched Jobs with Xdamno Effective End of Hour 4

[Albert B. Rampage]

Act as a bodyguard for Spambot for now. Hurry up because we need to lynch someone by hour 9.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He is the only cryptologist right now, it is crucial to defend him this hour.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Outdated.

[Albert B. Rampage]

20.) Jefferson Memorial

3.) Library of Congress

2.) Union Station

are also cleared

[Albert B. Rampage]

The Union Station is indeed not cleared yet.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I call bullshit on UA.

Many of us have already cast our suspicious on FA. Yos, you have to put both me and FA in field agent roles.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It is fairly certain that all the late-comers are town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yos, you should put both me and FA in field agent roles to lesson everyone's suspicions.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The most suspicious player would be in deputy director, and the remaining suspicious characters are to be put in field agent work where they can't falsify information.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Switch PetroleumJelly and Kinetic to me and FA.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Dude, the terrorists don't know where Jack is.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I still insist, as I've insisted the whole goddamn game, to not be put in a cryptologist position. Yosarian has been stubborn on this point and now look where we are; scum FA won't send me his SIA information, and the other SIA is also sending his encryptions to spambot. I am effectively made useless by the mafia.

I request to have my position changed immediately. FA should be assigned to no position at all.

[Albert B. Rampage]

"How the hell do you know how much information the terrorists have? Look, Albert, didn't I send you something that cleared Xdamno? Becuase he was the first person I investigated, so forgive me that him popping up dead a few hours later doesn't incline me towards trusting you at all, OK?

LOL!!!! Hahahahaha

You monitor him for one hour and you dare call him cleared ? LOL! Everyone should lynch this traitor now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Although I'm seriously considering just removing you from any position at all, your play has really not been looking pro-town lately.

Is this some kind of trend your trying to make ? Creating the illusion of "Albert has strangely become Anti-Town" with a few scum and a deranged townie(you know who you are) isn't going to win you any points when I die.

[Albert B. Rampage]

True, but knowing you, you wouldn't go after me if you were town. I am almost certain in that assumption.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We've played a few games, and I don't know about you, but I have started to get a feel for your play, both as town and scum.

Quoting the pm seemed a lot more like a mafia gambit than a town's move. At the time, most players thought of me as town. You didn't choose to reveal the pm until the moment I started attacking you, trying to discredit my arguments. Look at this laughable quote:

Look, if suddenly I'm not trustworthy (based of course, on the affirmations of the game's two scummiest players)

There are many patterns and details I've detected in your play that don't add up. Right now, I am far more certain that FA is scum though, and I am holding you accountable to this:

Frankly, while I don't really like the case for FA, at this point if it was the only way to lynch, I'd hammer him if needed in order to avoid losing another lynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think he's nuts, but I don't think he's anti-town.

The thing is, he

knows

I'm nuts. He should know exactly how I operate after the many games I've been with him. Yet he's hiding that side of him to protect FA most of the time.

UA and I just plain don't get along, but who cares.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Not at all, my beloved anti-hero UA. Yosarian himself doesn't know where Jack is, unless he issues orders to Jack. At that point, I assume the terrorists can either go after Jack themselves or command their henchmen to attack Jack. However, if Yosarian is being monitored, he cannot make such an order - unless of course he divulges IN-THREAD that he is ordering Jack somewhere. In this case, everyone knows where Jack is, and his action is justified even if he is monitored; that's when Jack would be vulnerable to an attack.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Check out most of my newbie games, ongoing games, past games, etc., I am mostly right about my guesses as to who is scum when I am town(not my fault if the town lynches me!)

Why did you reveal where you were sending Jack ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Eh...then again, as far as we know, we don't even know if Jack does anything without orders; at least we might be able to rule out some more places. Would anyone have any problem with me sending Jack to the National Museum of Natural History?

[Albert B. Rampage]

For all we know, that FA clown is probably monitoring the same target as the other SIA again.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Quote your conversation with Kinetic.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This is just odd.

Kenetic told you in advance where to send Jack, and you did as he said without the shadow of a doubt.

[Albert B. Rampage]

(shrug) If it had been a trap, I would have 100% known for sure that Kenetic was scum. I really doubt a scum would have been willing to take that risk.

Sure, and he would have you assassinated shortly after you received 3 more people in your office. Don't you see that this sort of play is extremely dangerous ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Watch him get shot next time and lose all his health...

I agree with OTM and Yosarian, someone must be lynched.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Am I at -1 ?

Petro's point 2) and 3) are useless. It was general knowledge that he would finish up his investigation after 4 hours. I just wanted to make sure he didn't mess up and forgot to send in his choice to the mod since he wasn't super active. It serves the scum no good to ask when he finishes, since they would terminate 4 roles with two orders regardless of when eyceking would finish his investigation.

UA gets carried away with his emotions and is incapable of reasoning properly. Yos and FA are scum.

I'm going to be away for about 4-5 days anyway, so the timing isn't too bad.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've hinted at the reasons in another post:

(shrug) If it had been a trap, I would have 100% known for sure that Kenetic was scum. I really doubt a scum would have been willing to take that risk.

Sure, and he would have you assassinated shortly after you received 3 more people in your office. Don't you see that this sort of play is extremely dangerous ?

It blurs up things quite a bit when and if the director gains access to crucial information and gets NK'd, basically. We won't be able to track things. Say Kenetic says "send Jack to the mall but don't tell the others", and jack and the director gets killed, the mafia have pulled a perfect stunt because any of the people who were in his office could have said that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also [still to ABR], when you asked for your own bodyguard were you decrypting anything at the time?

Yes I was decrypting Xdaamno at the time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Albert: I would like to know where the heck this post came from. 1. CTD did not investigate Yos. 2. The only purpose this would serve is to mislead the town towards anti-Yos feelings, who you were going after. Please explain what you were doing here and why.

You mis linked, quote the post please.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Not so much did it confuse the town; it wouldn't have affected the town. It might have given a few scum tells on Yosarian, though. I have no reason to think that saying this would benefit scum in any way.

[Albert B. Rampage]

All in all I'd want you guys to keep me alive and lynch FA. I agree that I am a more "informational" lynch at the time. I thought that siding with other players would make it easier for the town to trust me, since if I were scum, OTM, Guardian et al would probably be my scum mates. But FA hasn't really made any connections besides with Yos. Anyway. It would be cool if you hammered me in the next 15 minutes.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ok. Ibby said she'll come back before the deadline and vote. I'll most likely be asleep by then, so she might end up being the deciding vote, if isn't decided before then.

Yosarian, wtf dude...seriously. Way to defend FA.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And while we're on the subject of getting Albert to explain weird things, here's another gem that never got clarified

/sign

As-Salamu Alaykum, my brother

Islamic for May God Be With You. Somebody told me that, that day. I was practically just saying I agreed with Guardian.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well. I don't agree with ABR's response about the office meetings - specifically because

I doubt Yos2 would let somebody determine where Jack goes if he does not know that players' alignment

- but the fact that you had a somewhat logical answer forces me to double-think, because I could not think of a single reason why anybody would suggest the Director do anything

but

have as many meetings as possible. I would think that the best way to catch scum [if I were in the Director's position] would be talk to each player one-on-one and see if their attitude/behavior changes or to see if they slip up in direct discussion as opposed to forum discussion.

Unvote: Albert B. Rampage

, I'll have to give this a think. I'll prolly have more questions.

Petrom, I understand your disbelief of my statement, but I think the one thing that I can say that would convince you, is that

Yosarian did that very thing

. He trusted Kenetic, and sent Jack EXACTLY where Kenetic told him to, without thinking, without a second opinion, nothing. When I asked Yosarian about this, he simply replied "meh I had a town read of Kenetic at the time". This makes me trust Kenetic more, in exchange for credibility points from Yos.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ya, questions.

1.) Why tell Yos2 to "not have meetings" when you could have just said "don't let people direct Jack for you" / "don't give information to somebody in isolation so that we're forced to trust their word in the case you die"? Your method seems unnecessarily roundabout.

2.) Why did you make the comment of "if you die I'll look town"?

3.) Do you currently think there was a hack, or do you think it was faked?

1) Because there are a number of different scenarios where Yos could have screwed us over. What if a counter-intelligence confirms a townie to Yosarian at the same time as an FBI, and then Yos is murdered after meeting with two more people ? Okay its a bad example, but I know there are different scenarios where meeting many different people, or everyone, would be bad.

2) Because at the time he was under investigation by xdaamno(which I had exclusive knowledge of), and I thought I would be the one to receive the information regarding Yos' alignment. I wanted Yos to think I thought he was town, so he didn't order his goons to kill me, were he scum. Were he town, that statement would have still held.

3) I am not sure about the hack, I'd say its 50/50, but I do know that Yosarian is playing scummy for his usual self, and I do know that FA is acting even scummier by use of craplogic and ad hominem to discredit his attackers. eg: he said something to the effect of "I am being accused by the 2 scummiest players, oh my", and this wasn't an isolated occurance. He uses this kind of things all the time, just look at his posts.

If someone has truly read both mine and his posts, his posts are just flimsy, flaky excuses to attack my credibility.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yos, if you have anything you want to ask me or whatnot, go ahead. I am available for an office session .



Albert and FA could be scum, I prefer an FA lynch, and will be willing to switch my vote at deadline to cause a lynch (even if it is mislynching me -- I think we need a lynch that badly).

So if it is near deadline and you are like hmm, well FA has only 4 votes, but I prefer him: no worries, I will be there to hammer.

Dude, come on man, its not over, the town can push for a FA lynch. Do it. FOLLOW YOUR HEART, GUARDIAN!!!! FOLLOW THE MELODY THAT SINGS "LYNCH FA" INSTEAD OF CHASING ALBERT THROUGH THE LOST WOODS OF KOKIRI.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Petrom, I understand your disbelief of my statement, but I think the one thing that I can say that would convince you, is that

Yosarian did that very thing

. He trusted Kenetic, and sent Jack EXACTLY where Kenetic told him to, without thinking, without a second opinion, nothing. When I asked Yosarian about this, he simply replied "meh I had a town read of Kenetic at the time". This makes me trust Kenetic more, in exchange for credibility points from Yos.

Um, that's not all I repled, at all. I also explained why I really don't think a scum would be willing to sacricice himself just in order to set up an attack on Jack Bauer. All in all, it seemed really unlikely to me that it was a scum gambit. Would you have thought otherwise?

Look, you trusted Kenetic with information that could have potentially brought us

nothing

. Do you acknowledge that ? Do you understand that if you were NK'd, the town would have traded Jack risking his life, a potential scum, and I'm sure I'm missing something but my fingers are typing faster then my brain is thinking.

You have made a mistake, and have made an anti-town move and could have jeopardized CTU if scum were smart enough(assuming your not scum)

[Albert B. Rampage]

PJ: It was when we were talking about sending jack to that Museum. My idea, which I relayed to Yos, was that we say in the thread why not send him there, but to have Yos really send him to the place across the street and to inform Jack of this and see if anything happens at the museum.

It was designed to see if Jack could capture a terrorist and sort of spring a trap on his trap, but also to see if something happened at the Museum. Since only Yos and myself were in on it, and I was fairly certain Yos was town, I suggested it.

I thought, worst case scenario, if Jack got ambushed at the mall, there would only be 2-3 people who could have said anything. Myself, Yos, or if a SIA was looking in then the Crypto who deciphered that.

In the end, nothing happened though because in part I think OTM got everyone scared to do anything.

Yeah well you've done nothing wrong. Its Yos' reaction to what you said that makes him look scummy. And Yos has been backing FA a long time, so if FA is town, hell, put me in detention until you can lynch me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yos2, did this happen? You sent Jack where Kinetic asked? What Hour? Was this when Jack was ambushed, or did nothing happen?

Sorry I have to keep asking these questions everybody but me seems to know the answers to, but I don't have a full grasp on everything that's happened yet.

It happened hour 5; Kentic suggested a plan where we might be able to use Jack to catch some bad guys by making the thread think I was going to send him to the Museum of Natural History, while I actually sent Jack to the Mall, across the street, where he could watch and see if any bad guys went. I quoted that part of the PM'd conversation I had with Kenetic back in post 1230.

EXACTLY. Kenetic told you where to send Jack, he told you where to tell the town you would send Jack, he told you not to tell anyone, and you followed his instructions to the letter without a question. We've all seen the records, he suggested the whole setup. The least you could have done, Yosarian, was to send him to the f****ing K-mart somewhere completely unrelated to where he said and used Kenetic's plan. THE WORSE, is that you even TOLD HIM, confirmed to him that you followed his instructions to the letter. YOU EVEN SENT HIM THE EXACT ORDERS that were going to Jack.


(sorry for caps eh ? )

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also, Albert, at that time I was a Field Agent and I was protecting Yos, he was perfectly safe.

WIFOM. Nobody knew who you were protecting, and the sole person in charge of his safety is suggesting a plan like that ? And Yosarian doesn't think twice ? THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE.

Damnit I have to go to sleep soon, let's draw this to a conclusion.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Eh...I didn't really think it was that likely the scum could have killed right after they hacked; this was hour 5, remember. If they could kill and hack in the same 4 hour period, they probably already would have killed someone by that point.

Like I said; I thought it was likely he was town, and even if I was wrong about that, I just couldn't see it as being a scum gambit. It wouldn't make any sense as one, anyway.

This is absolutely wrong, and if you do so again you will put CTU in massive danger.

You don't trust anyone unless you have proof that they are with you. You can SAY you trust them, like I did, but ANYTHING YOU SAY IS CAMOUFLAGE IN THIS GAME. You don't actually do it damnit. You don't trust someone with such a potentially dangerous plan like that.

Scum not being able to hack and kill is pure speculation - just as much as my theory that you staged the whole thing is based on nothing but gut.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's not true. I knew who I was protecting.

Yes but if you were scum, it wouldn't make a damn difference. You would just stop protecting him, let your scumbudies silence him and voila, Jack injured, director dead, Guardian director, scum escapes with no one CTU can suspect.

Look at it from Yos' angle at that moment. Would you have done what he did ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Damnit someone mispelled your name and I call you Kenetic for the rest of the game

Kinetic, if Yos were scum, do you think he would hesitate to accuse you in a critical end game situation of setting him up to do something that would result in a disaster ? "Kinetic told me to do it, and I had a town read of him at the time" sounds like the perfect way to seed an attack on you as scum. I'm pleading with you, please vote FA