Mini 459 - /cows Mafia - GAME OVER, YAY!

[Mastermind of Sin]

Stop stealing my schtick! It's mine!

Original Roll String: 1d24

1 24-Sided Dice: (11) = 11

1-12 in order, 13-24 backwards.

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vote: Spambot

die suck scum die!

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/cows...raw...i mean...MOO

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MY SCHTICK

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Math is great! And I'm not in a math club. However, it's still my schtick.

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Atticus, just curious, would you have self-voted if you rolled a 6?

Yes. even though self-voting is a bit overrated, and even though rolling dice is not my schtick. So... back to the game.

MoS seems a bit defensive of his schtick.

FoS: MoS

why ain't I done that before?

MY SCHTICK

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Xyzzy's siggy sucks.

FoS: xyzzy

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I approve of Xyzzy's signature.

unFoS: xyzzy

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Xyzzy is right. Those who oppose the Xyzzy must prostrate themselves before the Fish Monkey God.

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That's right.

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Feel the power of the almighty Xyzzy!

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unvote, vote: Hadhfang

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gut.

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what? Day 1 isn't going to end for a long time, Spambot. If you aren't going to post for the rest of this day, I'm going to have to

request that spambot be

replaced

.

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Alright, one more to be clearer.

I am doing this on purpose. I'm following the game closely and still playing, but I'm not going to post again today from this point on.

I know you are doing this on purpose. That is not acceptable. I want you to be replaced if you do not continue posting.

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What if it's a posting requirement?

Oh, and rather than a postcount, (which is immoral) I'd like a /cowscount. (A /cowscount shows how close someone is to dying by showing how many (and which) people have asked (whether as a vote or perhaps the more ludicrous NINJAVOTE) for that person to be lynched.)

He doesn't have a post restriction, or he wouldn't have been able to respond to me after saying he wouldn't post anymore.

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HE does not have a power role. At the very least, his role is not governing his actions. I am 100% sure of this. Spambot has not acted in a way that indicates role restrictions. If he does not get replaced within the next few days, I will ask for replacement myself. I refuse to play in a game where people quit posting for no apparent reason.

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If he was protown and had a restricted number of posts, he would've used them is such a way as to contain the most information possible in his posts, instead of just wasting them.

I will not ignore a lurker, because scum should not be given the chance to coast by. I will not lynch a lurker, because that is a horrible metagame. Therefore, if he refuses to participate, the only way is to have him replaced by someone who will. I will not tolerate any other course of action.

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Exactly.

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I want him replaced today. The mod has a week to find a replacement, or I will quit this game.

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@ Mos: It sounds like your holding the game at ransom!! I just don't see why you seem to be so personally affected by his actions.
I'm not (although I think he's acting shit).

I refuse to play in games that are purposefully being ruined by players. Having a player choose to lurk through an entire day qualifies under that category. However, he's back, so we don't have to worry about that anymore.

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sigh...

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I don't know right now. Spambot successfully distracted the game for quite some time, so I'm watching to see what else happens.

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Who do you think is scum, Blue Zebra?

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MoS, who do you think is scum?

I don't know right now. Spambot successfully distracted the game for quite some time, so I'm watching to see what else happens.

Read more, thanks.

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Who do you think is scum, Blue Zebra?

Atticus and Hadhfang.

Why?

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I think Atticus is scummy for the same reasons as Spambot, and Hadhfang because of post 100.

To be fair, the last time I played with Atticus, he exhibited behavior like this, and he was protown.

Hadhfang is acting like a newbie townie, not devious scum.

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I'm thinking Atticus and possible Spambot.

unFos

FoS Atticus

If Hadhfang is scum, I will suggest that my title become "Battle Mage's Bitch" for a month. There is no way that a scum Hadhfang would act like this. If he was scum, I'm pretty sure he would crack under the fact that we attacked him for not voting and vote someone to appease us.

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Vote: Atticus

Not seeing a logical jump from Hadhfang's post to Atticus' conclusion, he must've been trying to stir up more trouble for Hadh.

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If Hadhfang is scum, I will suggest that my title become "Battle Mage's Bitch" for a month.

That is a STRONG statement for MoS to make, the equivalent if I were to say I would kill myself if Hadf is scum.

I'm also going to hole you to this MoS. I'll talk to thok and suggest a BATTLE MAGE'S BITCH title.

That is not the agreement. If anyone else suggests the title, I will refuse it. If he is scum, I will suggest it myself.

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Did anyone get an overdefensive feel from Xyzzy lately?

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Occult.....

Are you an Alt. of Battlemage's?

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Are you threatening that you are unlynchable?

(not that I want to out a power-role, but if that's the case, I'm just asking for clarification )

What was this all about Atticus? I think it was quite clear Hadhfang was just saying he was town. Hadhfang is scummier at the moment, but that was decidedly odd.

Atticus made a really strange and wierd assumption, and he refuses to admit his mistake...hmm...

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Spambot.....

Are you an Alt. of Battlemage's?

I played in a game he modded and it was pretty good, so I'm not sure if that is supposed to be an insult or not.

Not an insult, I just get a similar feeling of play style from you.

I would like to hear from atticus about the points brought up.

Def an insult >_>

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His comment was essentially "I am protown". While this statement is somewhat redundant and unneeded, since everyone will assert they are protown, it is not exactly

dumb

, as far as I'm concerned, given the fact that he was responding to the assertion I had made.

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And? How is that stupid?

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EBWOP: And, more importantly, how does that hint toward him claiming to be unlynchable? He didn't say he couldn't die, just that if he died he would come up town, a rather obvious assumption. I don't see where your train of thought came from.

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inddddeeeeedddd

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Yea, it doesn't seem like joking.

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Spambot is taking this way too far. Atticus fixed his statement to say what he meant/should've said. I really get the feeling that Spambot is trying to use this as an excuse to go after Atticus, and it doesn't feel right at all. That, combined with his ridiculous Day 1 ploy "to get reactions" or something, makes me FAR more inclined to believe he is scum at this point.

Vote: Spambot

Occult, with me!

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Also, staying calm or getting defensive is only a tell in comparison to a person's past reactions from other games where their alignment is known. Each person reacts differently, so you can't make a generic scumtell out of it.

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Sorry for not have played so long. My internet connection at home is failing, and I hope to settle this during the next two days. However if I not get back wednesday I guess I should be replaced.

The next felt very defensive to me but no one else commented on it.

Fine, you were testing reactions, but in the next post, you said I looked scummy, any particular reason?

I get the same feel from his other posts.

vote: JordanA24

How is this overdefensive, asking for a reason to call him scummy?

FoS: Hjallti

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/cowplay?

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Also, staying calm or getting defensive is only a tell in comparison to a person's past reactions from other games where their alignment is known. Each person reacts differently, so you can't make a generic scumtell out of it.

Yeah, I already said that. It varies from person to person.

Then why are you voting Atticus? You defeat your own argument by agreeing with me that is varies, because Atticus' reactions are comparable to him being protown.

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unvote, Vote: Panzerjager

Mod: I suggest that you ban Panzer from all future games of yours. This is something that mods need to take a stand on. See: Robotics Mafia (themed mini)

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Rofl. This has nothing to do with you being able to play as you wish. This is the second time that I've been in a mini game where the SK claimed Day 1, and it's the stupidest thing ever, so I suggest banishment to all SKs that pointlessly claim.

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This is the second time in one game that you have, suggesting replacing someone because they said something play wise that you didn't like. Why are you being such a nazi when it comes to play? Do we have to play "normal" for you to go about your day withought wanting replacment's? Does it rattle you MoS? Why the harsh reaction? You seem to either want to lynch or replace anyone not of your liking? Doesn't seem pro-town to me.

FoS MoS

Panzer. This isn't about styles of play. What you are doing is not a style of play. If I was so harsh on people about how they play, I would've asked to have Battle Mage replaced in every game I play with him, so you can't argue that. Not posting for the rest of the day is not a valid strategy. That is

not playing the game

. Claiming SK is along the same lines. Again, I point you to Robotics mafia, where the SK claimed SK on page 5 of Day 1. That was a idiotic, pointless claim that ruined the game for the rest of us. I won't stand to have people going around ruining games for no reason. It's the same reason StallingChamp got banned. He was ruining games by telling people he was scum and playing a game with multiple alts. That is not a "style of play". That is doing something that this game does not need. I will always advocate the removal of players who purposefully seek to join a game only to destroy it and not actually play the game.

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Of course, that's what he says now, but his original post gives no indication of such, so I stand by what I said before. He has essentially retracted his claim of SK, so I am not supporting that he be banned, but the principle is still there.

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LAL doesn't always apply, as there are reasons for townies to lie or withhold the full truth on occasion. However, there is no reason for a townie to EVER claim SK, unless it is an endgame ploy to screw over the mafia (See: CSER mafia, even though it didn't work).

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But this isn't endgame.

Exactly my point.

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Death to panzer? I'm not sure what you expect me to say. He

could

be a jester, but even if he is, his winning does not stop us from winning, and we get him out of the way. I think our best course of action is to lynch him, then we can come back tomorrow and lynch the other scum we have found.

Also, I wouldn't start considering me cleared in any way. If he is not a lyncher, he obviously just pulled my name out randomly based on the fact that he had attacked me. If he is a lyncher, I would bet you $100 that he lied about his target, hoping we would keep him alive so that he could get his true target lynched. So, either way, don't consider me cleared.

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That's lynch-1, someone put down the HAMMAH!

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Vote: Spambot

I think. *shrug* I forget where I was before Panzer decided to be an idiot.

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unvote

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vote: JordanA24

You just /lost, because I /cow'd you.

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mod said so.

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Also, Jordan needs to claim.

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Mod-confirmed sanity says I'm sane.

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I'm claiming to be 100% certain Jordan is scum, yes. More info will follow his claim.

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Are you? If you are, you'd better claim before we lynch you.

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Anything else in your role? Abilities, unnightkillability, etc?

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Spambot, just let him speak for himself before you call him scum. That's my job

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Because I'm not a cop. Jordan, why were you the only person to target Hjallti last night?

Owned

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Dice roll.

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Yea. If I had to choose, he was one of my top two anyways, because I figured they were the most likely to be killed. I won't reveal why I felt that, because that would just help your other scumbuddies

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Firstly, Why vote spambot first, tehn change your vote?


Secondly, the nature of tis gme is a fairly random one, how do you know that if you are cop and mod has confirmed sanity that mod was being truthful?

Didn't have my night choice yet. There was some miscommunication between the mod and I that had to be straightened out, first.

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lol

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just loling at your post before it, that's all.

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Damn. I almost targetted him, too.

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Vote: Blue Zebra

Why Jordan?

Vote: Atticus

Questions me while quietly restarting the wagon on Atticus.

If you're a miller, that's what you should claim.

unvote, vote: Jordan

Telling his buddy what to do.

I don't see the advantage in lynching him here and now. He's already admitted to being scum, so he can't talk his way out of being lynched. Why not delay his lynch to leave time for more discussion?

This post never sat well with me. I can't quite pinpoint what it is about it, but it feels like this is made from a scumbuddy.

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We should look back at Jordan's posts to see who he's been attacking and defending.

Near the start when I went after xyzzy, Jordan was quick to follow me. Then on pages 13-14 he's going after Spambot. So, xyzzy and Spambot are probably /cows.

Does anyone else notice anything?

Also, quick to clear people based on the actions of his scumbuddy (buddies himself up to the people he proclaims as likely town)

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You don't? You ask someone to give a reason for their vote, then promptly vote another person without explanation.

Everyone already knew why I was voting for you. I didn't know why he was voting for Jordan, so I asked.

I didn't.

Apparently MoS didn't, if we're on the same thinking level.

That was part of it.

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That's basically what I was thinking.

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Hmm, this is interesting, I wonder why they didn't target MoS, since he's claimed his role already and the blame can't be pinned on him.

Because they assume the Doctor protected me, obviously.

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Leaving tonight for Thespival, I'll be back Tuesday.

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Hmm, this is interesting, I wonder why they didn't target MoS, since he's claimed his role already and the blame can't be pinned on him.

Because they assume the Doctor protected me, obviously.

That's assuming there is a doctor of course. It's not an open set-up.

Unvote, Vote: Hadhfang

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The only thing his comments serve to do is help the scum and fish for a doctor roleclaim. It's

not

an open setup, so there is no reason to assume there

isn't

a doctor. My point was that the scum

assumed

that there was a doctor, and therefore didn't target me. All his post serves to do is tell the scum that they should try to kill me, which isn't helpful at all.

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Which was my point to begin with...

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Unvote

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I don't particularly want to lynch Hadhfang. I have suspicions about him, and it's not a good idea to lynch him right now.

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That would defeat the purpose. Just don't do it.

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Atticus, MM is Occult.

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The purpose of what?

wow.

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Good.

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Hadhfang - don't lynch him
ThAdmiral - no read
Spambot - exceedingly unhelpful, but it seems to be his playstyle
xyzzy - playing as usual (from my exp)
Atticus - playing as usual (from my exp)
Blue Zebra - rather scummy comments regaring JordanA24
Occult - I don't remember him doing anything remarkable this game. Couldn't have told you he was in the game had I not just mentioned him.

Vote: Blue Zebra

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He obviously wants mith to ban him.

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*hovers over the ban button*

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eh. Even if Spambot IS the jester, it's not like we're going to lose if we lynch him.

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If I had a daykill, Spambot would be dead.

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No it's not. Spambot is purposefully being distracting and useless, which is keeping us from actually finding scum. For example, for the sole reason that Spambot wants Atticus lynched, I have no intention of lynching Atticus anytime soon, because I don't trust a word Spambot says anymore, and anyone he wants to lynch is obviously not the right choice for today.

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No, because I still don't want to lynch Atticus.

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you mean lyncher, not jester.

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Also, if he's lyncher on Atticus, he wouldn't have to ask for replacement after we lynch his target, because he'll have already won, and he won't be in the game anymore. Depending on the mod, it might end the game entirely.

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Also, if he's lyncher on Atticus, he wouldn't have to ask for replacement after we lynch his target, because he'll have already won, and he won't be in the game anymore. Depending on the mod, it might end the game entirely.

If the game would ed immediately, we'd be screwed.

I would expect that we would just go on, and he'd be a neutral player who can do whatever he feels like. If he's replaced, the replacement would presumably take his win.

Actually, usually if the game doesn't end, the person who has already won is removed from the game entirely, having already achieved their win condition.

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Riht, I'm assumin gthat MoS has a good reason for not wanting Atticus lynched, possibly due to something to do with his ability. I can't remember seeing a valid reason for lynching Atticus from spambot though, so perhaps he could tell us again why he wants Atticus lynched so badly.

I don't have a good reason for not wanting Atticus lynched other than the fact that I have seen no reason TO lynch him, and Spambot wanting to lynch him is a point in his favor. It is you, Hadhfang, that I have a good reason not to want lynch.

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I think Spambot is Atticus' scumbuddy.

Vote: Spambot

, if I wasn't already.

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Actually, I have a hunch about something.

Unvote, Vote: Atticus

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*bump*

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not testing reactions. I want Atticus lynched.

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is there a reason you aren't sharing your hunch with us MoS?

yes.

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no.

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Not obvious, just something I feel it's worth lynching you to test. Although, overall, I really don't care who we lynch as long as it's not Hadhfang.

Blue Zebra, perhaps. My hunch may or may not be about Atticus directly (it would be dangerous to specify), so it may depend on his alignment whether or not I can reveal the hunch after he is dead.

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Pretty sure we have a doctor. They'd be stupid not to protect me, and most scum aren't willing to try and wifom the doctor. We discussed this earlier, when Hadhfang was wondering why I wasn't dead already.

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Yes.

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Well, here's a long-stretch.

MoS is scum.
He wasted useless partner Jordan in order to get out a claim (watcher?) and gain the town's trust.

Now he gets me killed, I turn up town, he explains how this proves so-and-so is scum, (possibly Spambot) and I don't think whoever he frames next will be scum, because it wouldn't make sense to destroy to partners to uphold your claim. Anyway, if so-and-so is town, then he just made a mistake.

Long stretch, hoping my hypothesis is somewhat accurate.

So

Unvote, Vote: MoS

I'd rather not die.

If Atticus comes up scum, I do not think it makes Spambot more likely to be scum.

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EBWOP: *Atticus comes up town

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TA's second post, he reference's a tracker – not an incredibly common role, so perhaps he was trying to convince the town early on that there might be one so they could use sort of a countergambit without people wondering whether a tracker is believable. If MoS is scum, the ordeal with the Almighty Fish Monkey God (and his lesser brother-in-law the Monkey Fish God) could be an attempt to associate with me, and, by extension, look more townie when he comes out with his tracker info. They then have a small dispute, which MoS largely ignores, then he accuses me of being overdefensive (maybe he was thinking he took that sucking-up too far?), and then ThAdmiral does, too! He then continues his attack on me after my bit of intentional WIFOM, and ignores my explanation. He then... um, sort of moves off of me and onto Panzerjager... AND SO DOES MOS! His reasoning is that he doesn't like SK claims – a very nice tool to the town, capable of obliterating the scum. TA then pulls the classic “well done” - a scumtell. He then makes a passing comment about MoS, adding no content. Then MoS gets “no read” on TA?!? And finally, the ever-classic, evr-scummy “in MoS we trust”.

TA and MoS are the scum. I'm surprised I never noticed how similar their tactics are.

unvote, vote mos (/mlost?)

xyzzy. You forget the fact that my SK-hate is completely unrelated to this game and my alignment. Read Robotics mafia for why I will metagame lynch anyone who claims SK on D1. I think it's fucking lame, and will do that regardless of my own alignment.

Also, why the hell would the Almighty Fish Monkey God have anything to do with ANYTHING serious in this game? Do you seriously think that it was supposed to mean anything?

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The SK is not a resource. Once they have claimed SK, they are under no obligation to actually help the town, since we won't let them live to endgame regardless. Thinking that you could possibly

use

an SK is pure fantasy, and I wouldn't have thought you that naive, xyzzy.

As for taking it seriously, I still don't understand how you can conclude anything from it. How would my claim of watcher (not tracker) seem MORE townie because of the fact that I talked about a freaking Fish Monkey God??? Does ANYONE see this as logical?

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Answer the question

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I'm sad that ThAdmiral is the only other person willing to say anything useful right now, which just makes you more sure that your bullshit case is correct.

xyzzy, so you agree that the Fish Monkey God convo is not evidence against me? The fact that everyone has done it at one time or another means that it cannot be used as evidence to separate scum from town. To try to do so is foolish and a waste of time.

I have edited your original argument to show what part of the argument has not been debunked so far, since you accuse me of only attacking "part" of the argument. As for that accusation itself, that's retarded. I'm taking your arguments point by point and responding when I have time. I started with the most obviously wrong ones and I'm not done yet. Just because I haven't debunked the entire argument doesn't make my defense up to this point null and void. Your argument that I am scum has become severely weakened at this point.

They then have a small dispute, which MoS largely ignores, then he accuses me of being overdefensive (maybe he was thinking he took that sucking-up too far?), and then ThAdmiral does, too! He then continues his attack on me after my bit of intentional WIFOM, and ignores my explanation. TA then pulls the classic “well done” - a scumtell. He then makes a passing comment about MoS, adding no content. Then MoS gets “no read” on TA?!? And finally, the ever-classic, evr-scummy “in MoS we trust”.

TA and MoS are the scum. I'm surprised I never noticed how similar their tactics are.

unvote, vote mos (/mlost?)

Who is having said dispute? I don't remember what you're talking about. If it's a small dispute, then there isn't much to be said about it, so I don't see why you have to point out that I "largely ignore" it.

I will go look back on where I called you overdefensive. As I recall, it was well-justified, but most players aren't able to see past their ego to admit that what they did could be seen as overdefensive by other players.

I agree that saying "well done" can be a scumtell, but it's a very weak one.

Please quote said "intentional WIFOM" and your "explanation" that I "ignored".

Where is the passing comment TA makes about me? Quote it please.

As for putting TA in my no read category, he isn't the only one. Are you saying that, before you came up with this theory that he and I were scum together, you felt he was very much scum or very much town? I didn't see many people claiming to have gotten a read on him, so you can't say it's a scumtell for me, but it's ok for others to not get a read on him.

"Ever-classic, ever-scummy 'In MoS we trust'"!? Bullshit. I have never seen anyone say something like that in a mafia game. This is the first occurrence of such a phrase, and you're saying that it's an classic scumtell? Are you out of your fucking mind? That's completely retarded, xyzzy.

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*shrug* I'm not overly confident in my plan, but it seems the best place to put my vote right now. I'm not really asking you all the follow me, but you wanted to know what prompted my vote, and explaining it too much would completely nullify the reasoning behind it. It's not like I'm so vehement on voting Atticus that I'd be really pissed off if you voted someone else, barring myself of course . I don't want you to vote Atticus just because I said so.

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Numbered for my convenience.

I'm sad that ThAdmiral is the only other person willing to say anything useful right now, which just makes you more sure that your bullshit case is correct.

xyzzy, so you agree that the Fish Monkey God convo is not evidence against me? The fact that everyone has done it at one time or another means that it cannot be used as evidence to separate scum from town. To try to do so is foolish and a waste of time.

I have edited your original argument to show what part of the argument has not been debunked so far, since you accuse me of only attacking "part" of the argument. As for that accusation itself, that's retarded. I'm taking your arguments point by point and responding when I have time. I started with the most obviously wrong ones and I'm not done yet. Just because I haven't debunked the entire argument doesn't make my defense up to this point null and void. Your argument that I am scum has become severely weakened at this point.

They then have a small dispute, which MoS largely ignores, then he accuses me of being overdefensive (maybe he was thinking he took that sucking-up too far?), and then ThAdmiral does, too! He then continues his attack on me after my bit of intentional WIFOM, and ignores my explanation. TA then pulls the classic “well done” - a scumtell. He then makes a passing comment about MoS, adding no content. Then MoS gets “no read” on TA?!? And finally, the ever-classic, evr-scummy “in MoS we trust”.

TA and MoS are the scum. I'm surprised I never noticed how similar their tactics are.

unvote, vote mos (/mlost?)

1. Who is having said dispute? I don't remember what you're talking about. If it's a small dispute, then there isn't much to be said about it, so I don't see why you have to point out that I "largely ignore" it.

2. I will go look back on where I called you overdefensive. As I recall, it was well-justified, but most players aren't able to see past their ego to admit that what they did could be seen as overdefensive by other players.

3. I agree that saying "well done" can be a scumtell, but it's a very weak one.

4. Please quote said "intentional WIFOM" and your "explanation" that I "ignored".

5. Where is the passing comment TA makes about me? Quote it please.

6. As for putting TA in my no read category, he isn't the only one. Are you saying that, before you came up with this theory that he and I were scum together, you felt he was very much scum or very much town? I didn't see many people claiming to have gotten a read on him, so you can't say it's a scumtell for me, but it's ok for others to not get a read on him.

7. "Ever-classic, ever-scummy 'In MoS we trust'"!? Bullshit. I have never seen anyone say something like that in a mafia game. This is the first occurrence of such a phrase, and you're saying that it's an classic scumtell? Are you out of your fucking mind? That's completely retarded, xyzzy.

1. You and ThAdmiral were. ThAdmiral repeaetedly quoted you and got no replies.

*shrug* I have no idea what you're talking about. It happened if you say so, but I don't remember it at all.

2. But overdefensiveness isn't bad AT ALL! The point of Mafia is to convince everyone that you're town; you can't do that without being defensive.

There is a difference between being defensive and being overdefensive. It's never a large scumtell (as evidenced by the fact that I'm not pushing you hard over it), but scum *DO* tend to get nervous under pressure and defend themselves too strenuously. This is dependent on each individual player's tendencies, but, not knowing your scum tendencies, it seems like a reasonable thing to point out.

3. ...And that changes what? It's still scummy, even if not as scummy as everything else you've done.

erm, I didn't say it changed anything. I was actually agreeing with you, although your fervor to call me scum seems to have made you overlook that. In addition, I wasn't the person who said "well done" in the first place, so your fervor has once again overlooked something.

4. I was referring to the point where I used WIFOM to attack ThAdmiral and his reply was scummy. I used craplogic to "prove" that he must be scum.

No recollection of this, either. I haven't really seen ThAdmiral do much this game.

5.

Yes.
It seems like mos was keeping this thread alive, and it died when he went to thespival.

This is very... forced, as if he felt obligation to point you out.

Do you disagree?

6. You ignore the fact that I had a read on him from his reply to my craplogic argument.

Again, something I didn't even know had happened.

7. Click!

I see. Now I understand where this all came from. However, Appeal to Authority has nothing to do with me. This is a scumtell against ThAdmiral. The fact that I was an experienced player in the game that he decided to use this with, means nothing whatsoever. It is not a scumtell to have someone else decide they will trust in your abilities as a player.

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Look the way

I

see it is that mos has already netted us one scum. He seems to have a plan to net more. If tomorrow comes and his master plan doesn't work, or he explains his plan and it's a really bad plan,

then

we may put some pressure on him.
Until then I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Plus atticus is as good a choice as any in my opinion
(Plus the spambot thing - it's win-win-win!)

But you're ignoring one crucial question: What if he's scum?

I believe the reason you're ignoring this is because you're his partner.

If I'm scum, then what? I get Atticus lynched, and sacrifice myself for it? Do you think I'm insane?

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Look the way

I

see it is that mos has already netted us one scum. He seems to have a plan to net more. If tomorrow comes and his master plan doesn't work, or he explains his plan and it's a really bad plan,

then

we may put some pressure on him.
Until then I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Plus atticus is as good a choice as any in my opinion
(Plus the spambot thing - it's win-win-win!)

But you're ignoring one crucial question: What if he's scum?

I believe the reason you're ignoring this is because you're his partner.

The way MoS puts his argumnt he has either seen something that atticus has said or done that no-one else has yet, or he is scum. He has said that he's not overly confident in his plan, which gives him a scapegoat should Atticus turn up town. I can't at the moment see what it is that MoS can't share with us, if he is a watcher. If Atticus targetted Tony montana last night then he's scum and I don't know why MoS would keep that from us, If Atticus targetted anyone else then he doesn't have a night kill, and it's pointless lynching him.

The more I look into this the more I think that MoS is scum.

unvote,Vote: MoS

Umm, what? First off, I do not have role information regarding Atticus. Secondly, it does NOT have to be something Atticus has done that makes me think voting him will benefit us the most. Thirdly, when did I *ever* claim that I

was

confident in my plan? You are completely misrepresenting my intentions. Should Atticus turn up town, everything that I have hypothesized up to this point will be nullified. However, I am

NOT

the one guaranteeing that Atticus is scum. You need to be looking elsewhere for that blame.

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Whoa, that was weird. I didn't do that.

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*I* have a problem being the lead player. You aren't *supposed* to just follow me around.

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*bump*

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Where has *everyone* gone?

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I don't think ThAdmiral is scum, but there's a good possibility that MoS is.

How does that work?

I have access again. Thanks to SSF for posting for me. That was weird, but it works not for some reason.

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I don't think ThAdmiral is scum, but there's a good possibility that MoS is.

I have to disagree with this. If either of them is scum, the other is definitely scum.

You don't believe that ThAdmiral could simply be scum attaching himself to me? Nearly everything that you had connecting the two of us was something that I did *first*, so I don't see how you can be 100% sure that I have to be scum with him if he is scum.

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Blue Zebra and Occult need to actually decide that they think someone is scum and vote them. Hammering Atticus would be nice (has he claimed yet? If not, he should), but if you think someone else is more likely scum, at least you're actually taking a stance on it.

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That is not a claim. I want your abilities claimed.

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...I can't tell whether Atticus is stupid, or if he's actually scum...

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Fuck. I wifomed myself and didn't target Hadhfang. FUCK. I totally set him up to be killed, to. I'm so sorry guys. That's what I get for overthinking things. At least I was right about Atticus.

Vote: Occult

I'm pretty sure he's scum, so let's take him out guys. This game is a shut and dried case.

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Occult needs to claim.

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Mod: Please prod Occult

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I wouldn't mind just lynching Occult. I'd also like xyzzy's take on his ridiculous theory from yesterday, given that I have just pushed lynches on two scum in a row, and that Atticus actually *was* scum.

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He's obviously just stalling for time, so just kill him. But let's wait for Xyzzy's response, first.

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Actually, Occult hasn't posted since Aug 23, so we should wait for a replacement to be fair.

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yea, kill all claimed SK's, please. He's just making shit up. Even if he isn't lying, though, he's still anti-town

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Sapmbot was the cop, right? I assumed he was the cop after he pushed Atticus, but I tried to get the attention on myself when I pushed him. I wasn't sure if the scum picked up that Spambot was cop, otherwise I would've confirmed Occult as scum the last day. I purposefully set up Hadhfang to be nightkilled because I figured out he was a doctor-ish role. This exchange clued me in on it:

Hmm, this is interesting, I wonder why they didn't target MoS, since he's claimed his role already and the blame can't be pinned on him.

Because they assume the Doctor protected me, obviously.

That's assuming there is a doctor of course. It's not an open set-up.

Too bad I didn't follow through, but it worked out anyhow.

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Hadhfang, who were you protecting when you died?

Jordan, <3. I'm sorry, man, but you fell for that so beautifully. I can't really think of another way for you to have handled it, though. I forced you to commit to the specifics of your role before I committed to the specifics of mine.

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You are one of the least experienced players in the game (I don't think I've ever played with you), and looking at the pattern of Hjallti, TonyMontana, and Hadhfang, I was right about them killing the less experienced players. The scum were trying to avoid the doc by killing people that were unlikely to be targetted by the doc. The doc does not generally protect newish players that haven't proven themselves as players worth keeping around (no offense, of course. Not that anyone is a bad player, but that we haven't seen positive confirmation of their skill necessarily).

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Occult, may I ask if you targetted Hadhfang directly or myself that last night?