Mini 1624: Joss Whedon Mafia: The Musical (Game Over)

serrapaladin · Post Post #12 (isolation #0) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:25 am

VOTE: murder of crows

Fake post is fake

serrapaladin · Post Post #123 (isolation #1) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:44 pm

medea and murder are weird. lmp, egg, istott, bassist, arc look early town.

i really wanna say murder are scum.

serrapaladin · Post Post #133 (isolation #2) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:22 pm

In post 124, Murder of Crows wrote:
In post 123, serrapaladin wrote:medea and murder are weird. lmp, egg, istott, bassist, arc look early town.

i really wanna say murder are scum.

Go right ahead.

murder are scum

regarding medea, "i got the alignment i wanted" is weird phrasing, as is the thing with orc. and 41 is wrong because if we weren't out of rvs before that post, their vote doesn't make sense.

serrapaladin · Post Post #161 (isolation #3) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:44 am

^i think this guy is town

serrapaladin · Post Post #165 (isolation #4) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:00 am

In post 162, Anatole Kuragin wrote:
In post 152, HypotheticalBassists wrote:Can we get more pressure votes on GreyICE? He's willfully not cooperating.

Asking for pressure votes is inherently useless because when you add the "pressure" qualifier there's an understanding you don't actually intend to lynch the person. Why not just call for votes?

So is this just bad play or scummy?

The murder vote is a good one.

serrapaladin · Post Post #180 (isolation #5) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:44 am

Not sure whether that was a townslip or not, but anatole reads town either way.

@antihero: what's scummy about lmp's meter? I actually quite liked it and thought the post by bassist they pointed out is an interesting one to discuss.

serrapaladin · Post Post #182 (isolation #6) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:52 am

i like the point about pressure votes being useless if called as such. it's the sort of thing that annoys me as town.

serrapaladin · Post Post #189 (isolation #7) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:33 am

In post 183, Murder of Crows wrote:
In post 182, serrapaladin wrote:i like the point about pressure votes being useless if called as such. it's the sort of thing that annoys me as town.

It's a truism. I used to mention it at every turn when people would talk about pressure voting.. Over time it's become something I"m probably more likely to point out when I'm scum because it's easy townpoints.

Which is why you wouldn't get a town read for it.

serrapaladin · Post Post #192 (isolation #8) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:39 am

Also, if people still keep declaring their pressure votes, the statement obviously isn't a truism in a meaningful sense.

serrapaladin · Post Post #223 (isolation #9) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:36 am

In post 199, Murder of Crows wrote:btw your status is awesome for me. All the paranoia braincells that could be spent processing you can be redeployed.

If Cabd gets in here and convinces me he's town, orcinus is in for pure hell this game.

I know, right? Too bad you drew scum

In post 198, Murder of Crows wrote:
In post 189, serrapaladin wrote:
In post 183, Murder of Crows wrote:
In post 182, serrapaladin wrote:i like the point about pressure votes being useless if called as such. it's the sort of thing that annoys me as town.

It's a truism. I used to mention it at every turn when people would talk about pressure voting.. Over time it's become something I"m probably more likely to point out when I'm scum because it's easy townpoints.

Which is why you wouldn't get a town read for it.

But you give Anatole townpoints for it because you think he's less experienced?

Sure, we can call it that. In 1606 the things he commented on were different.

Have I mentioned that riddleton is town?

serrapaladin · Post Post #260 (isolation #10) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:12 am

Can we lynch Grey? I think I might enjoy this game more if we lynch Grey.

serrapaladin · Post Post #263 (isolation #11) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:16 am

In post 262, HypotheticalBassists wrote:GD tends to be pretty fencesitty and cautious. 'I'm sorry' is something I'd expect from him. He played one game on this site, if you want to look at it. His profile link is in our sig.

oh dear

serrapaladin · Post Post #265 (isolation #12) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:17 am

Wanna talk about it?

serrapaladin · Post Post #266 (isolation #13) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:20 am

UNVOTE:

serrapaladin · Post Post #269 (isolation #14) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:25 am

In post 224, Murder of Crows wrote:
In post 223, serrapaladin wrote:I know, right? Too bad you drew scum

I can't decide if I'm happy or sad that you're misreading me.

In post 228, Antihero wrote:
In post 180, serrapaladin wrote:@antihero: what's scummy about lmp's meter? I actually quite liked it and thought the post by bassist they pointed out is an interesting one to discuss.

"meter" aside (don't even know what that is) how is "flailing" a legit attack angle?
also, jumping on a newb for saying "I'm sorry" is about as far from interesting as you can be.

that actually... like... kinda' scummy.

LMP's meter was literally the only thing you quoted from that post... Ignoring the fact that you brought up flailing, how is flailing not a legit attack angle?

serrapaladin · Post Post #271 (isolation #15) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:27 am

In post 268, Murder of Crows wrote:
In post 260, serrapaladin wrote:Can we lynch Grey? I think I might enjoy this game more if we lynch Grey.

Do you think he's scum? I don't really care about his insults. I won't vote him unless AP and I wind up scumreading him. The only thing I don't like about his play so far is the lack of reasoning for his stances, but I think he may be a student of the "cases are scummy" school of mafia.

2nd game with him. ymmv.

I've no idea what he is, but if I were scum with a ragey meta, I'd try pretty hard to find something to rage about rather than post content that might be attacked.

serrapaladin · Post Post #275 (isolation #16) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:28 am

In post 224, Murder of Crows wrote:
In post 223, serrapaladin wrote:I know, right? Too bad you drew scum

I can't decide if I'm happy or sad that you're misreading me.

In post 228, Antihero wrote:
In post 180, serrapaladin wrote:@antihero: what's scummy about lmp's meter? I actually quite liked it and thought the post by bassist they pointed out is an interesting one to discuss.

"meter" aside (don't even know what that is) how is "flailing" a legit attack angle?
also, jumping on a newb for saying "I'm sorry" is about as far from interesting as you can be.

that actually... like... kinda' scummy.

In post 272, Antihero wrote:
In post 269, serrapaladin wrote:LMP's meter was literally the only thing you quoted from that post... Ignoring the fact that you brought up flailing, how is flailing not a legit attack angle?

because "flailing" is a stupid buzzword, not accurate for the situation, and pretty fucking meaningless on page 2

Except YOU brought up flailing.

serrapaladin · Post Post #276 (isolation #17) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:29 am

No idea where all of those other quotes came from. Weird phone.

serrapaladin · Post Post #281 (isolation #18) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:32 am

Oh come now.

serrapaladin · Post Post #289 (isolation #19) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:40 am

In post 224, Murder of Crows wrote:
In post 223, serrapaladin wrote:I know, right? Too bad you drew scum

I can't decide if I'm happy or sad that you're misreading me.

In post 228, Antihero wrote:
In post 180, serrapaladin wrote:@antihero: what's scummy about lmp's meter? I actually quite liked it and thought the post by bassist they pointed out is an interesting one to discuss.

"meter" aside (don't even know what that is) how is "flailing" a legit attack angle?
also, jumping on a newb for saying "I'm sorry" is about as far from interesting as you can be.

that actually... like... kinda' scummy.

Yeah, he probably is, and AA9 actually looks pretty bad.

Also, I hope we can all agree that riddle is town after this.

serrapaladin · Post Post #293 (isolation #20) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:43 am

@ah: If you don't see it, I probably won't be able to convince you.

And sonuvabitch quotes...

Ohai beetlejuice.

serrapaladin · Post Post #295 (isolation #21) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:45 am

VOTE: AA9

serrapaladin · Post Post #301 (isolation #22) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:00 pm

@ffery: not really. Thoughts on AA9?

serrapaladin · Post Post #302 (isolation #23) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:03 pm

And AA9, you could point out what makes me a useless IC.

serrapaladin · Post Post #304 (isolation #24) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:18 pm

She overreacted?

serrapaladin · Post Post #308 (isolation #25) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:26 pm

serrapaladin · Post Post #311 (isolation #26) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:38 pm

Would you expect me to town read you for picking on lurkers?

serrapaladin · Post Post #313 (isolation #27) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:43 pm

I will probably go back and forth on this, but I quite like my AA9 vote for now.

serrapaladin · Post Post #353 (isolation #28) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:57 am

So I don't believe that AA9 actually thinks I'm an idiot. But she can't call me scum to try and push my vote off her.

I'm gonna post some excerpts and would love to see some people comment on the sequence of events. I have a real problem with her response to my attack:

Spoiler:

serrapaladin · Post Post #369 (isolation #29) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:18 pm

No. AA9 does not get to make this argument. Votes pls

serrapaladin · Post Post #400 (isolation #30) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:53 am

Hmm, are AA9 and boonskiies scum together? That would actually explain a lot.

LMP, Anatole, Grey, Istott, Riddleton, and maybe bassist make up a decent townblock.

serrapaladin · Post Post #404 (isolation #31) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:22 am

Fake rage?

serrapaladin · Post Post #439 (isolation #32) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:13 am

I don't really see why people are voting bassist. Antihero, wanna say what's shit about my reads?

serrapaladin · Post Post #452 (isolation #33) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:29 pm

man boon is really terrible...

serrapaladin · Post Post #467 (isolation #34) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:55 am

In post 450, ArcAngel9 wrote:i proved that i didn't vote boon for lurking.

sigh...

serrapaladin · Post Post #468 (isolation #35) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:57 am

@ffery: how do I figure out your alignment? :/

I sort of wanna agree on antihero, but you might well be scum...

serrapaladin · Post Post #485 (isolation #36) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:30 am

I do, but I'm somewhat busy until Friday. What do you think of recent replacement requests?

Do you think scum would be more likely to antagonize or appease me?

serrapaladin · Post Post #498 (isolation #37) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:39 pm

I would say in general

serrapaladin · Post Post #531 (isolation #38) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:35 am

Stupid replacements. I'm still pretty suspicious of the crows. I'll see if I can form a good explanation as to why later.

serrapaladin · Post Post #542 (isolation #39) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:47 pm

VOTE: boonskiies

serrapaladin · Post Post #553 (isolation #40) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:32 pm

Does anyone anything about goblin, because his intro posts look a bit fake.

serrapaladin · Post Post #554 (isolation #41) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:34 pm

know anything*

serrapaladin · Post Post #565 (isolation #42) » Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:51 pm

@AP, you're really gonna go with a PoE scumread at this point?

@Goblin, what do you think of antihero?

serrapaladin · Post Post #604 (isolation #43) » Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:42 pm

VOTE: murder

serrapaladin · Post Post #636 (isolation #44) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:24 am

I need some actual time to sit down and articulate why I think the crows are scum. Unfortunately I've been pulling 90 hour weeks, but that should die down from tomorrow. I don't much care for any of the replacements. Istott, what are your thoughts on boon?

serrapaladin · Post Post #711 (isolation #45) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:23 am

Woo, I'm home all day waiting for some presents to be delivered, so FINALLY have time to do this.

I know this is probably a bad time to say this, but I don't think lynching the crows is a good plan for today. Independent of alignment, they'll keep this game alive, which is really what it needs. That, and the votes on them aren't particularly great.

UNVOTE:

serrapaladin · Post Post #714 (isolation #46) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:31 am

AA9 / Mikuru are pretty much town. I think AA9's replace-out feels genuine, though she certainly misinterpreted my attitude towards her. Mikuru's catch up analysis seems legit and her reads are well-justified.

Anatole isn't really doing enough, but his reactions feel better than last game. His response to the alleged townslip is not what I would expect from him as scum.

serrapaladin · Post Post #717 (isolation #47) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:33 am

Medea and crows need sorting, but I would suggest that's probably not best accomplished by lynching one of them today.

I'm not particularly interested in lynching egg or bassist. Yonce is still town, too.

If Istott has any sort of real experience and awareness of his play, he may be very hard to read indeed. I'm still leaning town, but need further consideration.

Regarding Grey, does anyone have any experience with his attitude as both alignments? Generally, I would label him town, but I'm wary of him hiding behind his rage-meta, and he's not done much else.

serrapaladin · Post Post #718 (isolation #48) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:29 am

In post 716, Egg wrote:Goblin makes zero sense. Still townreading the slot though.

Why?

@ffery: what do you think of people replacing out? Egg not confirming? Grey's rage? Anatole denying his 'townslip'? Goblin's level of experience? istott's?

In post 623, Murder of Crows wrote:Appendix
1 Coincidentally I look down on a few of you in this game because my entry post is something I would never EVER make as scum because its the kind of post that has potential negative ramifications (drawing attention to yourself) and almost no positives ones. But ya go ahead and read bullshit into a post that probably shouldn't be looked at twice in the first place. Derp.

:/

serrapaladin · Post Post #722 (isolation #49) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:29 am

In post 719, Murder of Crows wrote:The hypno replace out is probably the scummiest because of the timing.

What about them still giving reads upon replacing out?

serrapaladin · Post Post #730 (isolation #50) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:05 am

In post 725, Murder of Crows wrote:You make a decent point. Ask Cabd about the game where I declared a scum player the towniest of towns for putting down a full, detailed summary of his thoughts about the game - reads as well as suggestions about where to go next - in NY165.

Do you have meta experience with how they replace out as town/scum?

Do we have any points of agreement aside from AA9-town?

I've seen your question about scum-GreyICE and rage. I have one game's experience with him and he was a town mason/lover, and as it turned out the enabler of my slot's vig ability. I don't remember him being quite as ragey as that one point in this game, but he had his moments there.

I think we have similar thoughts about anatole, only our conclusions are different. And Yonce-town we agree on?

I haven't played with either part of hyp, but I've never seen scum replace out with any sort of effort. I would say there's a psychological difference between scum and town replacing out, and this feels like the latter.

Do you think boon has given enough to justify a read from AP either way?

I think I would be most comfortable with an antihero or boon lynch today, thoughts?

serrapaladin · Post Post #750 (isolation #51) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:44 pm

So I'm not sure if this will make any sense, but I have a problem with ffery trying to frame other people's reads on her in the specific context of the cohesiveness of her reads and the quality of her logic.

Hi anka.

serrapaladin · Post Post #751 (isolation #52) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:50 pm

VOTE: antihero

serrapaladin · Post Post #774 (isolation #53) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:14 am

In post 772, Antihero wrote:
In post 751, serrapaladin wrote:VOTE: antihero

you have done nothing

but
vote townies

all game

don't get pissy when someone calls you a shitty ic.

?

serrapaladin · Post Post #776 (isolation #54) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:21 am

You know that's absolutely not how that works

serrapaladin · Post Post #778 (isolation #55) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:24 am

Even if goblin is scum, him voting murder don't make them town. And tell me more about boonskiies being town. Or were you just trying to discredit me?

serrapaladin · Post Post #779 (isolation #56) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:26 am

Also, where is everyone getting the impression that I'm being pissy from? :/

serrapaladin · Post Post #790 (isolation #57) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:22 pm

Boon lynch?

serrapaladin · Post Post #811 (isolation #58) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:05 am

So we have like a day left...

serrapaladin · Post Post #813 (isolation #59) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:32 am

Other games I've scanned don't seem to suggest that his D2s are any better than his D1s.

serrapaladin · Post Post #835 (isolation #60) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:36 pm

In post 832, Murder of Crows wrote:VOTE: Ankamius

Should be around to move this as necessary.

From town, this vote with no accompanying push makes zero sense.

How would your interaction with anka have been different if you're both scum?

serrapaladin · Post Post #844 (isolation #61) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:07 pm

Men I'd probably prefer an antihero lunch to a boon lynch. Would also probably go for the crows at this point.

serrapaladin · Post Post #863 (isolation #62) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 4:11 am

On phone, does anyone know vc and DL? Will vote boon if anti won't happen. Happy to leave murder alive as long as cabd, hoopla et all are around to check them.

serrapaladin · Post Post #910 (isolation #63) » Thu Dec 04, 2014 1:09 pm

Odds on Dr. Horrible being scum?

serrapaladin · Post Post #935 (isolation #64) » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:06 am

So antihero or boon? I should have some time to look at this tomorrow.

serrapaladin · Post Post #937 (isolation #65) » Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:51 am

Nah, boon is def lying, right?

serrapaladin · Post Post #943 (isolation #66) » Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:45 am

So I guess the question is who told boon to go for this story?

serrapaladin · Post Post #945 (isolation #67) » Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:01 am

Jesus Christ boon's iso since the end of yesterday is one the worst things I've seen...

VOTE: boon

serrapaladin · Post Post #946 (isolation #68) » Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:03 am

And I bet it was the crows that told him to play the VI

serrapaladin · Post Post #953 (isolation #69) » Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:34 am

So what are the other roles you can invent? And do you get to choose which one you give to your target?

serrapaladin · Post Post #954 (isolation #70) » Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:36 am

This is just really too convenient though. Lightning rod is one of the few roles he could use to explain why he wasn't killed.

serrapaladin · Post Post #988 (isolation #71) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:58 pm

Boon's lynch is basically a foregone conclusion at this point.

serrapaladin · Post Post #990 (isolation #72) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 1:03 pm

Not yet, no. I would sort of hope that you guys and cabd would have prepped him better...

serrapaladin · Post Post #1005 (isolation #73) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:05 am

I didn't mean to imply that medea and the crows are scum with boon, but rather that they probably aren't, because they'd have prepped him better. If boon really vigged a townread, Medea's assessment that he needs to die is correct.

serrapaladin · Post Post #1011 (isolation #74) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:22 pm

Boon is either Dr. Horrible as scum, or has Dr. Horrible as his fakeclaim. The lightning rod is bullshit to explain why he didn't die. Egg is right in observing that fakeclaims won't be PRs. Question is, who came up with it? A Cabd under time pressure is possible.

Because of the way night action resolution is structured, inventions given to players can only be used next night. An inventor that "gives" passive abilities is just a joat. I'll be a tiny bit upset if our mod made a role that has night actions that resolve like a joat's, but called it inventor.

serrapaladin · Post Post #1012 (isolation #75) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:37 pm

At the moment, I'm at boon, one of crows/medea, and one of goblin/greyice. On that note,

@mod, how about some prods?

serrapaladin · Post Post #1014 (isolation #76) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:46 pm

Hey boon, wanna give like readlists and stuff?

serrapaladin · Post Post #1016 (isolation #77) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:03 pm

AP needs to seriously justify yesterday's read on boon.

serrapaladin · Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:09 am

Death by hydra.

Hi Mara et al!

So are we actually saying that boon is an inventor, with 2 items from the series, two nondescript defensive items, and one very specific MSnet role that would save boon last night? Presumably, if his role is anything like an actual inventor, he would give the deathray to someone who can then use that role the next night. But then we have this lightning rod, which allegedly makes the target a lightning rod for this night only? Maybe it's more like a joat instead, and the deathray is just a 1shot kill, but its just overall a bit strange.

That being said, we could probably try to confirm his role through night actions.

serrapaladin · Post Post #1169 (isolation #79) » Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:26 pm

Boy am I tempted to vote the three headed hydra of death. Going after eyestott is weaksauce.

serrapaladin · Post Post #1236 (isolation #80) » Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:46 pm

The regfan slot is almost 100% town.

I'm unsure Boon's ridiculous role, but we can probs solve him into the next 2 nights.

I could see both the nacho and ap hydrae being scum.

It's pretty unlikely I'll sober up in the next 48 hours, so more posts this weekend may not happen. Everyone definitively needs to take a stance on boons claim tho, and lynching from the hydrae seems like a good call. Or possibly anti

serrapaladin · Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:54 am

Welp, it's like 11 and there's wine mulling in the kitchen already, so a sober post is unlikely to happen for ages.

VOTE: Jesus

serrapaladin · Post Post #1546 (isolation #82) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 5:42 am

eyestott is a terrible compromise lynch :/

serrapaladin · Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:08 am

In post 1547, Murder of Crows wrote:serra, please please do stuff. :/

I'm being audited, which is eating up all of my time :/

All of the recent eyestott votes have been really terrible.

My townread on yonce has been somewhat eroded. I don't know who her main is, but it seems she's someone established trying out new stuff.

serrapaladin · Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:17 pm

In post 1576, yoncé wrote:
In post 1557, serrapaladin wrote:My townread on yonce has been somewhat eroded. I don't know who her main is, but it seems she's someone established trying out new stuff.

I don't get how these correlate. Please elaborate.

As town, you'd be trying out new strategies of finding scum. As scum, you'd be trying out new strategies for getting townread.

serrapaladin · Post Post #1584 (isolation #85) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:08 pm

In post 1583, Bulbazak wrote:Dawn sat away from everyone. They were still arguing. They were still fearful. They had found the lightning rod only moments after discovering the young girl's body. Who was she? Why did she picked up the metal branch? Why had she gone out into the middle of the storm?

Dawn closed her eyes and wished to go home.

Did the mod just confirm boon's claim?

serrapaladin · Post Post #1585 (isolation #86) » Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:11 pm

In post 900, Bulbazak wrote:As the sun set, they were no closer to figuring out who the murderer was.

"Maybe we should rest and try again tomorrow." said Dawn. "In the meantime," she looked suspiciously at the one they code named Boonskiies, "we'll let the good doctor do his work."

Woah.

serrapaladin · Post Post #1825 (isolation #87) » Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:05 am

You volunteering?

serrapaladin · Post Post #1899 (isolation #88) » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:01 am

How would people feel about a massclaim?

serrapaladin · Post Post #1933 (isolation #89) » Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:04 am

Yonce isn't really my favoured lynch today.

I'm feeling worse about eye, and potentially egg.

I could see one of them, or maybe anti, and two of medea, moc, and nachohydra.

serrapaladin · Post Post #1950 (isolation #90) » Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:10 pm

VOTE: yonce

I guess we'd probably just NL again otherwise...

Mass claim today would have been better, since we have loads of PR claims already and we'd force scum to commit to claims while they potentially haven't talked about it yet, but whatever.

serrapaladin · Post Post #1957 (isolation #91) » Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:26 pm

I agree that a massclaim now wouldn't work. I'm not actually convinced that scum have PR fakeclaims, since it doesn't quite seem to be role-madness. (On that note, since alignments aren't at all obvious from flavour, I wouldn't be surprised to see scum claiming roles similar to their own.)

I've had bad feelings about MoC from the start, though it's never been a terribly strong read.

I don't agree with jesus-town.

I'll need to give your reasons another read, but for Jesus, I can definitely see the 3 interacting with each other as they're doing as scum.

serrapaladin · Post Post #1962 (isolation #92) » Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:43 pm

@regfan: Your thoughts on ffery's response to being scumread echo mine quite well, but I'm concerned that me being IC may skew any reaction she has to me. I also didn't like AP's deflection of people attacking his opening post.

Regarding nacho, do you really think he's confident enough in his ffery read to go negative against you not believing it? I don't see why he would shy away from that angle as scum.

serrapaladin · Post Post #1964 (isolation #93) » Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:47 pm

And wait, you're given the full roll PM of Anatole, plus knowledge of which shots he used?

And if BP had been lynched, surely you'd have inherited that, so why do you not believe yonce?

serrapaladin · Post Post #1968 (isolation #94) » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:34 pm

Hmm, it's strange that Anatole would not use any of his powers. There's something not right about all this role stuff but I'm not sure what.

What did you guys think of riddleton? Specific his request to be replaced after the stuff with greyice? I sort of feel like most if not all of the replacements have come from town, which if ffery is scum is certainly a conclusion she wouldn't want me to draw.

serrapaladin · Post Post #1970 (isolation #95) » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:52 pm

Eyestott is indeed town, his reaction to boon's claim also looks legit.

I don't see riddleton as the sort of player to fake a replace out request. I have no doubt his emotional progression is real. The question to me is whether he would get that involved as scum, to which my gut says no.

serrapaladin · Post Post #1974 (isolation #96) » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:10 pm

Do you think any non-yonce lynch is realistic?

serrapaladin · Post Post #2105 (isolation #97) » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:43 am

Ooh, I'm still alive.

And that flip doesn't reflect well on AA9...

Oh, well. On the upside, that may actually mean the crows are town.

serrapaladin · Post Post #2107 (isolation #98) » Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:11 am

:/

Jesus are also town, given yesterday's lynch. I think that basically just leaves Medea and Egg?

serrapaladin · Post Post #2135 (isolation #99) » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:46 pm

@boon: wanna explain your action?

@Crows: please shut up until boon has commented. He's probably town.

serrapaladin · Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:48 pm

Also, massclaim?

serrapaladin · Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:08 pm

Egg, claim

serrapaladin · Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:17 pm

So I think I might enjoy Cabd using his shot on Yonce.

serrapaladin · Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:23 pm

Actually, no. That's probably what her role PM means about other things being able to kill her.

serrapaladin · Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:43 pm

So Yonce is conftown then?

serrapaladin · Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:58 pm

serrapaladin · Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:20 pm

Could you make it so I don't instantly dislike all of your posts, please?

serrapaladin · Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:41 pm

All of the above

serrapaladin · Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:48 pm

I don't literally dislike every single post you make, I'm just having trouble think of contributions you've made to the game so far, which is a problem.

serrapaladin · Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:01 pm

Actually, Egg might be town.

Ugh.

serrapaladin · Thu Dec 25, 2014 2:48 am

I think I want you to claim though.

serrapaladin · Thu Dec 25, 2014 3:43 pm

@egg: it's not about getting you to claim to avoid your lynch, but we already have two PR's lined up for killing, and half the town has claimed anyways, so I'd say a massclaim is optimal play. Plus I'd quite like the opportunity to comment on setup and balance before I die.

I'm surprised by boon's explanation, I honestly thought he'd say that he thought it'd kill Medea. That being said, intentional or not, giving the dayvig shot to them actually isn't entirely stupid. The shot replaces a lynch, and their not a universal townread, so I would suggest they don't have too much freedom in choosing the shot.

serrapaladin · Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:52 am

I've been toying with similar thoughts.

In post 2183, serrapaladin wrote:I'm surprised by boon's explanation, I honestly thought he'd say that he thought it'd kill Medea.

On the other hand, I guess it sort of makes sense that giving someone a shield or lightning rod would affect the way they're affected by actions that night, while giving someone a weapon would only give them an ability to use. One of the reasons I really want Egg to claim is so we can sort boon.

serrapaladin · Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:10 am

@Cabd, does your vig-shot need to be used today?

serrapaladin · Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:47 am

VOTE: Egg

serrapaladin · Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:51 am

I wouldn't say AA9's replace clears Grey, but I actually think it looks worse for anti.

serrapaladin · Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:10 pm

Right, I really want to complete the massclaim, discuss boon/egg, and then look at Medea/Crows/anti.

If Egg won't claim, I think Egg needs votes as long as he's holding up progress.

serrapaladin · Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:17 pm

In post 2246, Egg wrote:Really? What if I was like PGO or something? I'm not, but still. The person who already knows the role kinda knows best.

If sharing your role would hurt town as much as you seem to think, you should have thought about that ages ago and gone for a VT claim to begin with, or go for some sort of gambit to mislead scum, so as PGO you could have claimed something like beloved or ss.

serrapaladin · Sun Dec 28, 2014 1:11 pm

Except it does waste a lynch.

serrapaladin · Sun Dec 28, 2014 3:28 pm

In post 2259, Murder of Crows wrote:I'm seriously wondering if GI and AA9 got into a squabble in the scum PT and F16 saw it and made his post assuming it had spilled over into the thread more than it did.

I don't really like this

serrapaladin · Sun Dec 28, 2014 3:51 pm

I think scum!F16 would have been more careful in checking whether the AA9/GI interaction properly supports his point. Independent of his effect on AA9, I had GreyICE's slot as town for seeming angry, but genuine (see e.g. 388).

Why do you think Regfan died last night?

serrapaladin · Sun Dec 28, 2014 3:55 pm

And it's irrelevant whether you think Egg is scum. There are some roles that might still fit into the current setup, but getting him to claim is policy.

serrapaladin · Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:22 pm

I didn't mean 388 was ragey, but the sentiment towards Riddleton felt genuine.

I'm a bit worried that it's more likely you'd off Regfan as the only person left who would force a lynch on you, than non-you scum killing him for wifom. I think his half-sane status might have removed the need to immediately get rid of him before he gets results.

This game would really benefit from being able to write off boon as conftown VI, so I really want the massclaim to finish.

GreyICE'S rage and AA9's replace-out happened around the same time, so I could see F16 with a fair but incomplete memory of that phase make the connection. The question is, which alignment would be more likely to go back and check.

serrapaladin · Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:25 pm

Town!F16 knows the conclusion is correct, so is perhaps less likely to check the intermediate steps.

serrapaladin · Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:59 pm

@jesus: then help me get votes on Egg so he claims.

serrapaladin · Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:44 am

serrapaladin · Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:22 pm

I'm not lynching anyone except egg and boon today. Neither play is excusable.

serrapaladin · Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:03 pm

Prod dodge

serrapaladin · Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:07 am

I'm afraid to say that boon is probably town.

Today should end with cabd using his shot on Egg, anti, or crow.

Unless he claims, it should really be egg.

serrapaladin · Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:21 am

Do you think scum cabd would have used his shot without claiming?

Boon and eye are town for their claims, as is yonce, I think. Grey was kinda town for his rage, and I think F16 is too. I sort of trust regfan's read on Jesus, and I'm sort of thinking I should trust his read on you, too.

serrapaladin · Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:20 am

I really don't like the way Cabd approached today...

serrapaladin · Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:40 pm

In post 2506, Murder of Crows wrote:
In post 2504, serrapaladin wrote:I really don't like the way Cabd approached today...

How do you see it benefiting scum?

that depends on boon's alignment. which we still don't know because egg has successfully
stalled us. it could be a super scum gambit, or it might aim at drawing boon's claim into question.

i'm also not really liking marquis' play today, although her claim sort of makes sense.

i'm not feeling anti votes, as too many people seem to be happy to abandon townreads on him.

serrapaladin · Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:30 am

losing to boon would suck so much :/

serrapaladin · Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:11 am

without saying what it might be, is there a role you could picture bulb giving egg that works with the two flips, my role, boon's inventor, and marquis' bp?

serrapaladin · Mon Jan 05, 2015 1:10 pm

I'll 100% be around in the hours before deadline to hammer anti if needed, but I don't feel good about it. It's certainly preferable to no lynch.

If Egg had just claimed, we could complete the massclaim and use that to evaluate whether bulb would have given scum elaborate fakeclaims, which in turn would help sort out boon and yonce. it's probably something like medea/murder, but with regfan gone I don't see the latter being lynched.

And again, if Egg's or boon's play give them the win as scum, I'd be much more upset than if ffery brings home a conservative scum-win by letting town implode.

serrapaladin · Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:44 pm

go away, you're terrible

serrapaladin · Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:02 am

Can we not lynch anti?

serrapaladin · Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:58 am

VOTE: DL extension

Anti is 100% right about boon, though I'm not excluding the option that he's game-throwingly bad town, and we currently need his role for the setup to work.

serrapaladin · Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:54 am

You won't find anything.

serrapaladin · Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:11 am

Boon hasn't made a single piece of good play this game and boon's incessant use of 'haha' is basically daring people to vote him.

serrapaladin · Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:29 pm

Vote egg or Medea?

serrapaladin · Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:59 pm

Ugh. You were lynched in one, and in the other you were lucky to escape being lynched, and then voted correctly in lylo only after the other town confirming himself.

serrapaladin · Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:12 pm

GAAAAAAHH

VOTE: boonskiies

ah that felt good

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:29 am

> I'm not claiming
> But tell me all your roles so I can use mine correctly

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:21 am

No, you can't just interrupt a mass claim and then mention that other people haven't claimed.

Crows: do you really think boon is scum?

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:39 am

I've been saying for like most of the day that if we had completed the mass claim, we could now judge yonce and boon's roles... And after you refused to claim it was policy not to just skip you. So screw you?

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:12 am

VOTE: egg

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:44 am

Let's see some egg votes, please

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:32 pm

Who is gonna flip town.

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:50 pm

Well that's just further evidence that anti is town.

So why exactly would you not want me to do setup spec?

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:04 pm

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:14 pm

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:59 pm

Egg, are you upset bulbs didn't provide you with any good fakeclaims?

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:24 pm

I have a huge problem with egg believing Boon's claim.

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:12 pm

In post 2748, Egg wrote:Can someone post an organized list of claims? It will help me act tonight.

So egg apparently has an active role, when we've already had an investigative joat and backup flip, and we have another claimed doc/vig/more joat claim. And yet he didn't seem to give second thought to boon's or yonce's claims.

serrapaladin · Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:37 am

In post 2800, Murder of Crows wrote:My favorite pet scumteam in my head is Boon/Eye at this point.

lolwut?

serrapaladin · Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:37 am

Egg, just claim so I can tell you and everyone exactly how your claim doesn't work :/

serrapaladin · Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:42 pm

Woo, we're gonna no-lynch again, because we all have the best reads ever.

serrapaladin · Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:04 pm

I'm not touching boon until you've claimed, Egg.

I'll hammer anti if need be.

Directing boon's night action is a bad idea, he just needs to stop being stupid about it.

serrapaladin · Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:04 pm

In post 2492, Boonskiies wrote:Eyestott voting me as scum buddies with Medea also seemingly gives Eyestott town cred for distancing himself from Medea.
Eyestott wanted me to give him my mind link in the night, to stop whatever ability I would give to someone else
, and Eyestott would then end up getting an ability. That or he was setting me up so he could lie and say that he didn't actually get the invention. Either way, I'm debating moving my vote over to Eyestott instead of Medea. I believe they are the scum team as of right now.

What is this?

serrapaladin · Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:24 pm

In post 2856, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Directing is a last resort because he's been stupid about it twice now.

What's your read on Eyestott?

I wanna say town.

Mind link sounds like it might make people lovers or something.

serrapaladin · Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:32 pm

Or maybe it's a neighbouriser or something. Either way, that'd probs be best used on a null to scum read.

Shield and reflector should go to town.

serrapaladin · Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:12 pm

Woo spike slashfic

serrapaladin · Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:34 pm

Who was it that said Cabd night be holding the kill for lylo as a gambit?

serrapaladin · Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:46 pm

oh the paranoia

serrapaladin · Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:02 am

Why didn't you react at all when boon said something about having an RB freezeray?

serrapaladin · Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:30 am

shield+reflector?

serrapaladin · Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:31 am

i.e. the likely reason I'm still alive

serrapaladin · Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:27 am

probs 1-shot?

serrapaladin · Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:29 am

Has everyone claimed role+flavour now?

serrapaladin · Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:31 am

Really still think it's Egg. His over-night swing to suddenly being willing to claim is so dodgy.

serrapaladin · Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:46 am

In post 3026, Egg wrote:Serra, it wasn't gonna do any good today. I was the only one against massclaim. Only reason I didn't cave yesterday was
because of deadline coming up
.

nope

serrapaladin · Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:03 pm

Why are you blatantly lying?

serrapaladin · Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:35 am

So we're currently looking at:

IC + BP + investigative joat + inventor + universal backup + RB vs. Encryptor + strongman + ?

where the last scum could potentially be a rolecop?x

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:13 am

I guess I'm fine with giving egg the chance to confirm himself, but if he doesn't, I still want to see him hang. Who said that egg is town, because roleblocker doesn't make sense as a scumrole, because that's silly.

We were talking about claiming literally first thing yesterday, and egg refused to claim like 2 of 3 days in, so his assertion that he didn't want to claim for deadline reasons is bullshit.

If boon is scum, does he actually know what his inventions do? If not, why not hold on to the deathray for team use?

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:53 am

ugh, you really haven't been paying attention, have you? that actually sort of worries me

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:21 am

hmm.

lightning rod is ridiculously powerful if used correctly. boon's last shots also look fairly strong. universal backup is a great role, being able to become ic, bp, or take the remaining shots for the joat/inventor. i don't think being "half sane" would have made anatole completely useless, so that's probably the value of another 1 or 2-shot investigator. bp is pretty good if the strongman is x-shot, as a non-strongmanned shot might fail. encryptor isn't particularly strong, imo.

unfortunately, boon has to be town for setup reasons, right?

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:12 am

In post 3149, Antihero wrote:oh ok

so we go from "he's not strong enough, HE HAS TO BE TOWN"
to
"he's really strong, HE HAS TO BE TOWN."

what?

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:17 pm

yo can we talk?

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:29 pm

Cool, then let me just get a coffee. I haven't really had time for anything but phoneposting recently, so being able to type is quite nice.

Including boon and egg's claims, we'd have 6 potential town PRs, with only 4 VTs. Do you think all scum would claim VT in a situation like this? If covering ground with 6 PRs, wouldn't scum get some proper roles to fakeclaim?

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:57 pm

I like setup spec more than most people, even if it feels as though I'm playing the mod as much as the scum team, so do please humour me.

Does a town roleblocker make sense to you as an element in this game?

Without it, we have two passive roles, a BP and an IC, and two active roles, presumably with 4 1-shot abilities each. In addition, you have a universal backup that can either take the 1-shot abilities left over, or inherit the passive IC/BP traits. I feel there's quite a nice symmetry to that. Even boon's vig-shot failing pleasingly mirrors the part of anatole's role that's not sane. A town RB in the mix just seems a bit jarring, and also doesn't really work with Regfan's role. Regfan made the specific point that he only inherits the unused shot of the first PR to die.

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:11 pm

Also, let's think about how a hypothetical town!egg as roleblocker would handle his claim. Wouldn't an underlying sentiment of his revealing be that since RB is more commonly a scumrole, people might not believe him? None of his behaviour yesterday really played to that. He worked hard to convince people he shouldn't have to claim, not because it might make him look bad, but by fearmongering that it might benefit scum, specifically mentioning PGO to get me off his back.

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:14 pm

Also, what do people think of anti's claim that

BP + IC + inventor + joat + universal backup vs. encryptor + strongman + RB

is scumsided?

I really don't think it is, but would anti think so?

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:49 pm

In post 1900, Egg wrote:
In post 1899, serrapaladin wrote:How would people feel about a massclaim?

No.

I think he committed to claiming a PR with this. And then didn't know what to claim.

It's unlikely that both the strongman and RB would be infinite in that setup. I'd say either x-shot each, or only the strongman.

@egg: when did you say marquis' role makes sense?

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:51 pm

In post 3170, Egg wrote:Murder, if I was a tracker or something then yeah, I'd go for anyone who might be making a kill. But do you understand my logic? What if I had blocked strong town power by accident? I didn't want to do that. And if I was scum RB, I'd probably claim JK, especially after realizing there has only been one kill each night. *shrug*

So after we've had 5 other PR's out there, you were afraid of blocking strong town power if you went for someone that isn't murder?

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:55 pm

Your lack of confidence with regards to whom to target and setup spec doesn't really line up with how adamant you were yesterday that your claim would be detrimental.

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:06 pm

Hmm, and why does town BP work particularly well with town RB?

serrapaladin · Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:24 pm

How is BP usually scum unless it's multiball?

serrapaladin · Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:16 am

Can we just lynch egg?

@mod: how do a hypothetical strongman and a hypothetical lightning rod interact?

serrapaladin · Sat Jan 17, 2015 3:40 pm

I really think f16 is town... I should have some time to look at stuff tomorrow. I still think that egg is scum

serrapaladin · Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:21 am

Okay, let's lynch f16 today. When he flips town, we then lynch egg and murder.

serrapaladin · Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:47 pm

Dammit Mara...

I'd be okay with lynching that.

Still think egg and probs murder are scum, but fuck that play

[vote]nacho hydra[/vote]

serrapaladin · Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:33 pm

@mod: can a town universal backup become a PT previously held by scum?

VOTE: egg

This, to me, really is the lynchpin for this game (pun intended).

If scum, that thing by Mara will really make me lose respect for her, but I guess I'm willing to risk this game on the fact that she's not.

There was this game a while ago with ffery as SK, and me and regfan as town, in which I wasn't particular verbose, but I think my reads were decent. I'm surprised I haven't seen that game referenced. It seems as though I've convinced AP, on a logical and mostly setup-based level, that egg must be scum, but he seems to be avoiding that vote. I could definitely see egg's buddy avoiding the bus ATM, if they think they wouldn't win it alone.

I don't know if it was ffery or AP that said my reads aren't valid because I haven't engaged with the game enough, but if it's ffery, she should really know that I don't get good reads by walling at people. I have no doubt that f16 and the crows would be able to produce their sequence of walls aimed at each other as either alignment...

serrapaladin · Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:41 am

I'm confident there's scum between boon and egg.

serrapaladin · Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:21 am

VOTE: murder

serrapaladin · Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:20 pm

In post 3850, Murder of Crows wrote:Now we're talking about who we'd vote if alive tomorrow and knowing the other is town.

I'd probably want to vote boon if not nolynch.

serrapaladin · Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:39 pm

I could see both being town, actually.

I don't think these wall wars have ever given me a good read on people, and pushing this game north of 150 pages isn't really improving my motivation. That being said, if they're both scum, the volume of posts today seems a bit overkill, to say the least. If one of them is scum with Egg or boon, I could also see either one of them going this hard.

What do you think of mara's cancelled replacement request?

serrapaladin · Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:41 pm

And could you think of a good reason for eyestott's replace?

serrapaladin · Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:51 pm

Hmm, I get what you're saying about skrew's reaction being weird, but I refuse to believe they'd use that as a deliberate tactic, and I'm also not convinced scum!mara would replace out when moc and f16 are fighting it out. I guess if I was in a hydra and my other head had requested replacement without asking me, I'd likely react like that as either alignment.

serrapaladin · Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:59 pm

If ffery and f16 are scum together, I don't think their discussion would need to be this deep about each other's meta. They're covering way more ground than they'd have to to cruise this.

And regarding gambits, threatening to replace out is borderline okay, but actually cancelling a request like that would reflect incredibly poorly on them.

boon has been terrible today, and bulb's answer that regfan could also have taken a scum PR makes me think scum might well have a joat type role, which puts boon back in the mix.

Do you agree that either boon or egg is very likely scum?