Mini #406, Animaniacs! Water Tower Explosion! [Over]

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Greetings to all of you. Me will try to read as much as possible in a short span of time.

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I'll be back Sunday or Monday, I'm sure I will have the re-read done by then also.

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Could we just get your night results, if not your opinions?

I just got back from my trip less than an hour ago. I'm not completely done reading the game, but here are my/Blake Judge's night choices.

Night 1: Blake Judge watched Foolster41, no result
Night 2: BJ watched no one, no result, I guess he wasn't active.

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I finished my re-read. I googled and found out that wakko, dot, and yakko are male, female, and male siblings, so I'm assuming those three are scum? as wakko and dot have turned up mafia. and yakko is a he. But someone could have been possibly lying about their gender? Hmm. I will go look at the points VitaminR is making about Fuldu's behavior during the two wagons in which a scum was lynched now that I actually know what has happened in this game. =D

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Did anything else worth noting happen that was erased from crash? It was a short span of time, but it's possible.

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Where is Ether, anyway?

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*patiently waits for Fuldu and others to keep going on with their plan*

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how about after Ether claims? Who goes next? I don't think Ether has posted ever since I joined this game. =0

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I guess Ether has sort of disappeared for a while, according to this

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5376

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Woah I just thought of something.

Vote: Thesp

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Yeah, I'm here, I just don't have anything to say. I've played in a game with Sailor Jerry and he can testify to my MO - I'll post when I have something meaningful to say, but not otherwise. There doesn't seem to be much to dissect so far, so I haven't been wading in with the random chat.

Yes. I have indeed seen him do exactly this.

He was mafia.

This is odd.

Unvote: Sailor Jerry, Vote: Blake Judge.

Sailor Jerry, why aren't you voting for Blake Judge?

It's just really weird... Hanging back and only posting the bare minimum amount is lurking... and it's scummy.

Let's compare this...

Yeah, I'm here, I just don't have anything to say. I've played in a game with Sailor Jerry and he can testify to my MO - I'll post when I have something meaningful to say, but not otherwise. There doesn't seem to be much to dissect so far, so I haven't been wading in with the random chat.

Yes. I have indeed seen him do exactly this.

He was mafia.

Compare that with Blake Judge, who not only is doing you've outright said is scummy,

he has a similar history of acting that way as scum, which you have experienced with him

, and you make no substantive mention of it. That strikes me as extremely odd.

FOS: Sailor Jerry.

I'm liking the Foolster41 wagon less and less.

Basically, SJ and Thesp both FoS each other back and forth. I find it weird how Thesp doesn’t vote SJ until the 6th vote.

As SJ had flawed logic/points, I thought that really warranted a vote. It looked like slight distancing, as stupid as it sounds. BTW, if people think Fuldu's being the 5th on the wagon was scummy, Thesp didn't vote until the 6th vote, and I don't see how Fuldu in other peoples' minds is more scummy than Thesp. He waited until the wagon was almost to lynch time to vote. I was looking at the wagon earlier today, and it just came to my mind that Thesp is most likely scum.

But for the most part, his not voting until the end was very scummy. Also, it seems to me like you are trying to “control” the game sometimes. All in all, I have a feeling Thesp is scum. I find it weird how you voted for Blake Judge in the early going when SJ said that BJ acted like that in another game… Each game is different, and BJ probably just plays like that in all his games.

Is this an accurate account of what just happened?

(1) Blake Judge doesn't really do anything at all.
(2) Thesp attempts to start a bandwagon because of the apparent 'scumminess' of (1).
(3) Thesp attempts to goad me into jumping onto the bandwagon.
(4) I admit I don't really get why he's voting Blake Judge.
(5) Thesp fingers me for not jumping on a bandwagon that I really don't think has a base.

Thesp sounds desperate to start a wagon, and it doesn't seem like he cares who it's on.

RAWR! IS IT ME AND ALL MY SCUM BUDDIES DESPERATE FOR A WAGON? CLAIM OR DIE!!!

Unvote: Blake Dodge, Vote: Sailor Jerry.

If you out your scum buddies, we might kill you last.

He seemed to have a ton of confidence with his 6th vote as well.

@Thesp: Also, why did you want to wait on me/Blake Judge before you answer anything? Were you afraid that maybe BJ’s night choice targeted you? It seems you were afraid you might make a mistake in saying what happened to you last night after Foolster asked you, so after I said my night choices, you said that you received no notification of anything that happened to you last night. At the time, I had no idea what was going on as I hadn’t read the entire game.




My gut just keeps screaming “scum!” when I see Thesp’s game posts.

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Hey Thesp, I know this is going to sound cryptic, but did anything happen to you last night?

I RECEIVED NO UNEXPECTED PMS OR NOTIFICATIONS LAST NIGHT. EXPLAIN THIS IF YOU THINK IT WORTHWHILE. IGNORE IT IF YOU THINK IT NOT.

Sorry for the caps again.

I'd like to hear a Fuldu claim. I'm pondering how worthwhile it would be for a mass claim at this point. I'm also curious to hear if anyone else is supcious of me.

Also, I don’t see why you ask and smile to see if anyone else is suspicious of you. You act as if you should be seen as town to everyone else, and if anyone else thinks otherwise, than dunno.

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Jdodge could you explain why he is nearly confirmed innocent? I think I must have missed something. Nearly confirmed doesn't mean confirmed 100% though.

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Scum lie all the time when they need to. Thesp might have known that Hurrikaty was female, and be scum, so he claimed female, knowing he would probably be mostly confirmed and unsuspected the next day. Assuming he claimed during Day 2, as I have to go find it.

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I think I'll look back some more later today to get tidbits here and there.

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Unless thesp gave a fellow scum to clear himself (very unlikely) I think Thesp can be considered "nearly cleared" as JDodge said.

Let's rephrase this . Why wouldn't thesp clear himself by giving up a fellow person like Sailor Jerry as he might have been afraid Sailor Jerry would screw up?, as Sailor Jerry has been very scummy in past games I've read and been lynched or killed as scum. This could give Thesp room to cause mislynches as he expected to be definitely "pro-town" and not a choice for lynch in the future.

Actually, VitaminR was the one who pointed out his true scummy behavior, if you read page 4 again, and Thesp had been agreeing with Sailor Jerry and asked SJ why he didn't vote Blake Judge. Then, VitaminR and others started voting for him.

I thinl what NAR is alluding to is the old scum double-FOS ploy. where scum FOS each other to distance themselves, yet never votes. Added ot the fact that Thesp was a reletivly late comer to the vote. Is this analysis correct, NAR?

This too I think is alright evidencem were it not for the fact thzt thesp basicly pointed out SJ's scummy behavior right at the begining.

Yeah the 1st part is sort of what I meant, and on the 2nd thing, Personally, it looked like distancing to me. I don't think he might have meant to get him lynched like that, probably perhaps only to put pressure and perhaps a few votes on him to make a statement. I think SJ might have actually deserved a vote for that logic during that time from Thesp, not so late as to the 6th vote on the wagon.

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Wow, I thought I was gonna get it for saying I was going to post and not, but it seems this is common place in this game.

Random Vote: Thesp so people will start talking.

We are past the random voting stage, and you should have

something

to say.

FOS: HurriKaty.

Try again.

His interactions with HurriKaty on page 10 also struck me as scummy. It also so happens that Thesp also FoSed HurriKaty after HurriKaty random voted him.

Unvote: mole/Skruffs, Vote: hurrikaty.

I'll have to hope Skruffs gets vigged (or do it myself, or lynch him later), and Hurrikaty is repeatedly ignoring requests to contribute and posts bizarre things like:

Well, I'd say you but that would be a blatant OMGUS... You kind of seem to only be doing this because it was you I was voting for.

Why in the world would you think I'm scum? Let me be straight up with you and everyone - I think I'm the most confirmedest innocentest person in this flopping game that seems to be going nowhere despite having an edge right now, so I get aggravated/suspicious when people post utter nonsense like suggestions I might be scum with no backup, and/or don't bother with reading the game. Why in the world do you think I'm scum, HurriKaty? I don't care about OMGUS, you've put it out there. And who else do you think might be scum? You only gave me as a tenative answer, and nothing else.

Sometimes, two scum mates tend to be mean to each other in the game, from personal experience.

Two possibilities in my opinion as to why Thesp did what he did:

1) Thesp just FoSed, then eventually voted Hurrikaty, warning HurriKaty to stop being scummy like that or she’ll get lynched sooner or later. =D

2) It was a plan to make Thesp more pro-town than before to others, going against HurriKaty like that. This makes him have more control of the game as he has been right twice in a row, but that is just my feeling. He also seemed to be very sure about being ready to lynch HurriKaty and saying how he likes where his vote is from the time when he voted her to the end when she was lynched. As Katy was lurking previously, she wasn’t helping/playing much anyway.


I just could see a scum named Thesp while reading the game several times.

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1) That's still not a good excuse. Who knows, you could have been lurking at that time. If you were the 6th on the wagon, why did VitaminR vote Fuldu for his position of being 5th on the SJ wagon? Fuldu could have been gone like you said.

2) About that BJ thing, did you even read the game(s) that BJ was scum in? I don't think one behavior in another game should signal scum in another game.

3) I think you were afraid I had information, and that you might say something wrong. Vice versa.

4) Scum tend to distance from their scumbuddies, some even buss and FoS a ton. You seem to be using it to your advantage, as now you are to others "almost confirmed."

5) OK

6) I think nothing is unlikely in the game of mafia, and this applies to scenarios too.


Did you read the other post about HurriKaty?

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I also saw this post just then, one that I didn’t notice much before.

Well, I'd say you but that would be a blatant OMGUS... You kind of seem to only be doing this because it was you I was voting for.

Why in the world would you think I'm scum? Let me be straight up with you and everyone - I think I'm the most confirmedest innocentest person in this flopping game that seems to be going nowhere despite having an edge right now, so I get aggravated/suspicious when people post utter nonsense like suggestions I might be scum with no backup, and/or don't bother with reading the game. Why in the world do you think I'm scum, HurriKaty? I don't care about OMGUS, you've put it out there. And who else do you think might be scum? You only gave me as a tenative answer, and nothing else.

Because of outrageous crazy anger like this? You're getting super defensive for someone who's apparently confirmed (I must have missed that, someone point it out to me.)

You're still avoiding the question of who you think is scum. Happy with my vote.

If you think I'm scum, you've got some whacked out theory for scum to scum interaction on day on as it pertains to Sailor Jerry and I. I don't think I'm rock solid mason-confirmed innocent, but I think I'm just a notch below that. I don't think Hurrikaty is paying attention to actually finding scum, she's just looking for people saying weird things. That strikes a cord with me as something odd.

Definitly no more than JDODGE who gave a semi-reasonable claim.

Claims are

not

a defense.

It does seem like you went after Katy and probably knew she was scum, because you pressured her just because she voted for you as a random vote. Possibly, you were not happy that she brought you up as a random vote because you weren’t suspected much at that time.

You say you are apparently confirmed, but you really aren’t.

You also keep acting as if you are almost confirmed, and that it would be “whacked out” like you said or almost impossible for you to be scum with what you’ve done. That’s not a nice way to defend or respond to anything, as you aren't 100% confirmed, and can still easily be scum, which is relevant in this case.

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oops crossposted?

Oh yeah,

Mod: Can you prod Fritzler?

He hasn't confirmed and is going to be replaced in BM's Judgment Day Mafia.

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In response to your thing about unlikeliness, I just don't like how you're flashing the "that's unlikely" thing each time.

Just because you are apparently confirmed is far away from 100% confirmed, as there is a tremendous difference between those two. That doesn't make anything more unlikely for someone than say, someone else who hasn't been suspected by many before.

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I AM NOT CONFIRMED INNOCENT. I AM, IN MY OPINION, THE CLOSEST THING TO CONFIRMED INNOCENT THERE COULD BE OUTSIDE OF BEING A MASON WITH A DEAD MASON PARTNER. YES, I AGREE I COULD STILL BE SCUM.

Of course you think you are the closest thing to confirmed innocent there is outside of that, because you are yourself! That statement does not mean anything, as scum can say that too.

I keep seeing in your post "possibly", "who knows", and "nothing is unlikely". Yes, I agree that "anything's possible", but that

doesn't

mean that anything's

probable

. I think, that if someone outside the game read it over and tried to analyze which player is most likely to be scum, I'd be dead last, and rightly so.

That's an overstatement.

Maybe

I went after Hurrikaty because I knew she was scum. Is it also

possible

I went after her because I thought her vote was odd and out of place? Is it

conceivable

that my vote on Sailor Jerry came at the time I felt it was most reasonable, and had the opportunity for? I'm not saying your thoughts are unreasonable, I'm saying it's unreasonable for you to think this is the most likely scenario.

Her vote was a random vote because she said so. Since discussion was lagging, she wanted activity.

You voted Blake Judge also just because Sailor Jerry said he was scummy in another game.

I think it's likely that you're scum from the time and place you said things, and it fits in together in my humble opinion.

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Of course you think you are the closest thing to confirmed innocent there is outside of that, because you are yourself!

This is not why I think that. I am not sure if you have been paying attention.

Her vote was a random vote because she said so. Since discussion was lagging, she wanted activity.

I find it bizarre that you are defending the actions of a known, dead scum.

You voted Blake Judge also just because Sailor Jerry said he was scummy in another game.

I voted him for a number of reasons, the stated included,

and because Sailor Jerry

didn't

vote for him

. I don't know where you think it was only at Sailor Jerry's direction that I did.

1) Yes I know, you claimed female. But if you were scum, you would have known that if you claimed female, and HurriKaty would be lynched as you had planned or unexpectedly, then you would be almost all cleared in other people's minds.

2) I took the post in context. It doesn't matter who said it.

3) You asked him why he wasn't voting for Blake. Does that mean you should vote for Blake? You didn't even read the other game that SJ said Blake was scummy in because you said you had no time.

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In number 3, I meant the game that Blake had turned up scum in.

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Fine. I still think he's scum. *sigh*

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But honestly, after reading back carefully, I believe Thesp did not out a scum in the beginning. I don't think he wanted for the wagon to become a lynch. At that time, no one was voting for Sailor Jerry. When Thesp and SJ had those interactions, with no votes, and Thesp voted for Blake judge, VitaminR was the one who later voted for SJ a few posts later, which began the wagon.

But I might as well be quiet now as no one thinks it's possible....

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Who do you think is scum then?

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that question is directed to everyone.

How about we just lynch Thesp and see? lol

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Well, I guess I'll wait for Ether's replacement and maybe Fritzler's.


We seriously need a replacement for Ether since she is supposed to claim first. I didn't see any news of anyone seeking a replacement in 406 Animaniacs.

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I second the claim request.

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*poke*

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Me too. I'm using dial-up with my labtop in an apartment at the moment.

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*poke again, still waiting for blahgo.....*

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I think maybe Fritzler or Fuldu or both lying about their role is probably one way I think of at the moment that could mean that none of those people you mentioned could be scum.

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Foolster, I just don't think anyone here should think that one of those people you mentioned (you, Fuldu, Blahgo, and VitaminR) is scum for sure. There could easily be a person lying in this situation.

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Anyone, including Thesp, Fritzler, and Fuldu.

And JDodge I think was mentioned as a person who needs to claim I think.

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Oops Fuldu wasn't on the list of people who want to claim, ouch I'm not in the right state of mind right now. I just triple posted because of my stupid computer which keeps crashing..

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It's been 7 days since Blahgo replaced Ether, and he hasn't posted at all.


Fritz hasn't posted for even longer, I think.

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I think Fritzler needs to investigate Thesp and see if he's really female like claimed earlier.

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Better safe than sorry.

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I believe I'll be a fat pig by the time this day ends.

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He's not confirmed. If he is scum, then we are going to lose if we don't make sure he didn't lie on purpose knowing what would happen on Day 2.

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fine then.


Wow, blahgo's getting replaced. So much for a replacement. =D

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Here, waiting for blahgo's replacement, as he is getting replaced. =0

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Erm. I didn't see a thread asking for a replacement for Blahgo in this game.

maybe my eyes are too big?

Mod Note: Maybe you aren't looking in the "replacement" thread, where I

did

ask for a replacement for blahgo.

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Yes we shall finish the claiming that has been churning along!


CHUG CHUG CHUG !

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Dude I'm a chicken!


Of course I'm not human. What's wrong with you guys?

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May I ask why I am the only one that you think could be lying? By that I mean, why you single ME out. I find that mildly petulant. Is it because I thought maybe Thesp was lying, and you all thought strictly otherwise?

I think you are underestimating the chance that one of the people we think are pro-town is the remaining scum.

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*I'm back*

I am anticipating Thesp's further citing of examples.

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can we kill nar, just on principle?

You can if it will help narrow down the chioces? Err... I don't really understand your principle.

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I just thought of something.

It has something to do with Fuldu.

Didn't he say he can see if someone is human or non human at night?

How come some of our roles don't SPECIFICALLY tell us or imply whether we are human or non-human, as in Foolster41's supposed role of Humanoid?

That itself is very confusing, and could mean Fuldu is lying, in my opinion.

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Same with the female, male thing. My role does not say whether I'm male or female.


I have no idea which I am. That means Fritzler could be lying. I find it interesting that Skruffs was killed on Night 2, and Fritzler also "investigated" him that same night. The 1st night after Fritzler had claimed his supposed power.

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It would make sense if he killed Skruffs just to be able to say he investigated that same person.

Anyway, that was all just a thought that came to my head.

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Anyway, I guess I'll wait for VitaminR and JDodge to claim, as well as SweenyTodd. It wouldn't hurt.

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now a ranger - I can't remember, have you claimed any of your watches? Have they been useful?

Could we just get your night results, if not your opinions?

I just got back from my trip less than an hour ago. I'm not completely done reading the game, but here are my/Blake Judge's night choices.

Night 1: Blake Judge watched Foolster41, no result
Night 2: BJ watched no one, no result, I guess he wasn't active.

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hmmph!

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looks like her attempt of lying about her role backfired?

Vote: Foolster41

unless something significant is stated.

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If there's ANY doubt in your mind, you shouldn't lynch me.

Alright........... you are trying to make us doubt that you are scum.

And, you want us to believe that you mixed up something like this.

And, that your role is weird, and you might have accidentally killed Skruffs? Then who did the scum kill then?