Mini 437 - Hacker Mafia - Game Over

[JordanA24]

Hello all,

First of all, I must sarcastic clap Blahgo for outing me and Dharko's replacement as masons for no reason at all. Congrats, have a cookie.

Anyway, a few thoughts:

Players I think are scummy (In order) :
WhoMe?
VanDaimen
Albert

WhoMe seems to be posting sporadically not very much content, a definate scum tell, this and his vanilla townie claim that I certainly don't buy thanks to him only being on 3 votes at the time, puts him far and away at the top of my list.

Albert and VanDaimen because their posts just look generally scummy, and for arguing with each other a lot, I get a feeling when players start to do this, one of them is scum. But at least Albert has been posting quite a bit consistantly, while Daimen's only just started to do this, so Daimen is slightly higher up the scum list.

For now, I believe Nocmen's back-up doc claim.

Players I consider pro-server (apart from myself and Dharken's replacement of course):
DYH
Haut Boy
No real reasons I can put into words, just a feeling I have inside of me that they're not scum.

As for my vote, since, for some reason, WhoMe has only got 2 votes on him so far , I'll up the pressure on him.

Vote: WhoMe?

P.S Why was Net the ultimate n00b modkilled?

[JordanA24]

OK, cheers.

[JordanA24]

By my count, WhoMe's at block-1, time to claim?

[JordanA24]

Oh yeah, so he is.

Vote stays anyway.

[JordanA24]

I understand Albert, but why the last 2?

[JordanA24]

F*** you Jordan LOL

[JordanA24]

Hmm...Would scum claim vanilla townie so they can't get a counter-claim?

[JordanA24]

Well, unless WhoMe's trying a WIFOM tactic, I think his claim seems credible at the moment, since we're better off trying to lynch scum than townies, I'll

unvote

.

[JordanA24]

Sorry about double post, but I also think that Occult has some sort of jester role.

[JordanA24]

JordanA24 wrote:
Sorry about double post, but I also think that Occult has some sort of jester role.


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Also why do you find WhoMe's claim credible?

The manner of your posts just make me think that you have a joker role, though it could just be your normal style of play.

I don't find WhoMe's claim hugely credible, but I want to make sure I'm completely certain that WhoMe's the correct lynch for today before I put my vote forward, I've still got a couple of scum suspects I've yet to decide upon.

[JordanA24]

Happy scumday mod.

[JordanA24]

Well, if you're so sure:

Vote:WhoMe

Since I'm not certain whether I'll survive the night, so, here's my two cents before night falls.

Though Albert's acting rather scummishly, I'm not sure that scum would have a posting restriction like he's got. VanDaimen's still acting slightly scummishly, though the ScumDar's gone off him a bit. In fact, no-one has really rocked the boat so far, maybe we need a bit more contribution from some.

Also

Mod: When's my mason partner being replaced?

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[JordanA24]

Damn, beaten to the hammer.

[JordanA24]

First of all, must make a couple of apologies for misunderstandings:

Though Albert's acting rather scummishly, I'm not sure that scum would have a posting restriction like he's got.

I'm in another game with Albert, and I got confused between the two.

And about the Occult/Jester thing, I meant clown, you know they have to get quoted a certain amount of times during the day, which probably sounds silly anyway.

[JordanA24]

And I just messed the quote tags up. Sorry everyone.

[JordanA24]

I think NAR was the mafia kill, which means VanDaimen was either SK'ed or Vigged. I'm more inclined to think an SK is to blame.

[JordanA24]

I think NAR was the mafia kill, which means VanDaimen was either SK'ed or Vigged. I'm more inclined to think an SK is to blame.

Hm, why is that ?

About NAR or about VanDaimen?

[JordanA24]

I think the SK would be more likely to infect a user with a virus. The mafia would probably 'kill' by hacking into the system and deleting an account, like they probably did to NAR.

[JordanA24]

Happy Bday Mod.

[JordanA24]

Night kill immunity has been awarded to JordanA24 and Haut Boy.

Although, seriously, discussion is slowing. Deadlines may be considered.

[JordanA24]

I'd just like to mention that he stopped suspecting me at the end.

Sorry about double post, but I also think that Occult has some sort of jester role.

What makes you think that?

Also, reviewing my thoughts on Albert, well, it's become clear that Albert plays in a fashion that reads scummy to me, but other than style, I'm not convinced enought that he'd be a decent D1 lynch, that is without more information to compare his responses to someone confirmed.

So,

unvote

.

Anyone want to come forward and announce their scumminess to the world before the deadline hits?

He didn't stop suspecting you, he just said you weren't an ideal D1 lynch.

Also, now we know WhoMe was pro-town, I don't like this:

Well you convinced me, whome...

vote:whome

Putting someone at -2 without much reason never sits well with me, especially considering that WhoMe's last few posts before that weren't especially scummy.

[JordanA24]

So far, I'm slightly more suspicious of Tony than Albert, but, nothing huge enough to make me want to vote for either.

As for nocmen, I'm inclined to believe him right now, if he really is the backup doc, it would be a big mistake to lynch him, and I haven't seen anything that makes me want to vote for him.

[JordanA24]

I don't see what's wrong with metagaming, if ABR is acting differently, it's definatly something to look into.

Vote:ABR

[JordanA24]

Sorry, didn't realize that was a -1 vote, vote stays now you're at -2.

*Waits patiently for replacement*

[JordanA24]

Someone hammah him.

[JordanA24]

Someone hammah him.

^

Scum.

Guys, to my best guess, we are 1 SK, 4 townies and 3 mafia.

You lynch me, mafia takes over and wins on N2.

If you've been paying attention, I'm a confirmed mason.

But he's got a point, I suppose we'll have to keep him alive.

[JordanA24]

Right, right.

I only claimed to save myself for the window of opportunity that may open:

Town lynchs mafia today, mafia kills town, I kill town. We're down to:

2-1-2

Town lynchs mafia, mafia kills town, I kill mafia or townie and endgame ends in draw or victory for me.

Not neccessarily, we lynch mafia today, mafia kills town, SK kills Mafia

3-1-1.

Same as before, only SK kills town:

2-1-2. Mafia wins(?)

Lynch SK, Mafia kills town:

2-3. Mafia wins. No go.

Lynch Mafia, Mafia kills SK, SK kills mafia:

3-1 or 0- 1 or 2.

Mafia lynch, mafia kills town, SK kills Mafia, lynch SK next day. Mafia kills town. Mafia wins.

We have to keep Albert alive, so

unvote

, the only way town can win is if we lynch Mafia today and tomorrow, and Albert kills Mafia. This probably means Albert will be Mafia NK tonight, so, Albert, get you're choice in ASAP when night starts.

[JordanA24]

I prefer TM for scum.

[JordanA24]

Wait just a goddamn minute... Did I miss something, how do you know there are 3 mafias? Isn't the jury out on that one? So where are the "possible scenarios" with 2 mafias?

I think it's moot anyways, since I don't believe your claim one bit, and I think it's a desperate measure of a mobster. "Script Kiddy" just doesn't sound like the SK, which from last nights kill, I would expect to be a Virus...

How on Earth is there going to be 2 mafiates in a 12 player game? Also, claiming SK when you're Mafia is really pointless because the real SK would just kill off Albert tonight anyway.

Vote: TM

[JordanA24]

So.. claiming SK when you're SK is really pointless too, i guess..

So when is it not pointless to claim SK? how bout IF YOU ARE MAFIA ON THE VERGE OF A LYNCH???

But claiming SK is really pointless since the real SK would just kill you off anyway. A desperate Mafiate would claim something like Cop or Doc instead.

I'm really liking my vote now.

[JordanA24]

Let's see the roles we have seen so far..
Administrator/Doctor
User/Townie
Linked User/Mason
Debugger/Cop

Are you telling me that "Script Kiddy/Serial Killer" is credible?

Why not? If he's not the real SK (doubts) we'll find out by tomorrow.

[JordanA24]

Anyone else notice Script Kiddy acronymed is SK?

[JordanA24]

I think the obvious role for the SK would be "Virus/Serial Killer"

Last time I checked, viruses couldn't talk. Die scum.

[JordanA24]

Apart from possible role name faults, what makes you so sure Albert isn't the SK?

[JordanA24]

Post 375 & Post 380.

[JordanA24]

Hi Sil.

[JordanA24]

I'm gonna be honest. We're screwed IMO.

Not yet.

[JordanA24]

I'm with TM on Nocmen being the doc, it seems completely believable, as does Albert's claim, but TM townie, common scum claim, especially considering we have an outed doc and mason. But then again, if I were scum, I'd probs claim cop to try to get the real cop to come out and try to frame a pro-town by claiming to get a guilty on them, with the situation being as delicate as it is, if scum did that, that'd probs be the killing blow for the town.

Unvote

[JordanA24]

Uh...Jordan...our cop is also dead.

Good point.

Now Albert's saying, if we lynch Mafia, he'll kill town, it looks like we're going into tomorrow with 2-1-2, provided SK and Mafia don't target the same player, and we lynch mafia of course.

DO NOT

lynch Albert in case he is the SK. I now think TM is scum, considering the point raised by Nocmen, and the squirming and backtracking he's been doing recently.

Vote: TM

[JordanA24]

If we lynch a mafia, I'm not going to lie to you guys, I will try to kill a townie.

Yep, which is exactly why you need to die today. We'll never get out from under the LyLo banner with you running willy-nilly offing townies.

At some point we're going to have to risk offing you, and I'd like to take care of it now.

How many times,

WE CANNOT LYNCH ALBERT BECAUSE IF HE IS THE SK, THE MAFIA WILL NK A TOWNIE, AND WIN.EVERYBODY VOTING ALBERT UNVOTE NOW OR I WILL CONSIDER YOU SCUM.

[JordanA24]

Sorry for messed up quote tags.

[JordanA24]

*Surprised at not being dead*

Albert, I thought you said that you were going to try killing a pro-town if we lynched mafia, why Occult?

Anyway, we're probs at 2-1-2 now. I'm confirmed town, Albert very likely SK IMO, I feel Haut Boy to be a safe bet for town, nothing he's done has moved my scumdar. So that leaves Nocmen and Silmiriel. Since I believe Nocmen's doc claim, that leaves

Vote: Silmiriel

.

[JordanA24]

I killed Occult, not caring whether he was scum or town.

Guess you answered my question before you posted it, nice going psychic.

[JordanA24]

Jordan...if me and you are the town, then how is Haut Boy also town when theres only 2 town left?

I know, I'll just say whichever one of you is scum, you've done a good job, I'm 50-50 between the two, neither of you are obvious scum, but it seems one of you must be.

[JordanA24]

And wth, do you guys wonder why he's still alive all this time when he claimed doc day 1 ???

I cast my lines, Nocmen bit, here we go.

Maybe scum are trying to confuse us, but then again, I wouldn't want to keep a claimed doc alive whether it would confuse the town or not.

Looking like Silmiral today, Nocmen tomorrow.

[JordanA24]

Also, if I am not town, then Haut Boy would have to be town. Now, if I was scum, why would I put my partner at ly-1? Jordan seems to think against voting Haut Boy. Why, in that case, would I not vote for the one that is guaranteed to be scum?

You could have been busing TM, anyway, Sil is the play for today.

[JordanA24]

I think either Nocmen or Sil is scum, with HB 100% scum. He was the one who hammered his partner TM, when he knew that he had lost him. Reading it back, it feels like "sigh...alright, I have to do this or I will look scummy later".

So I think the safest bet would go to Haut Boy today.

Unvote, vote: Haut Boy

Now I think about it, you're probably right about Haut Boy, meaning HB and Sil is our scum partners, not hammering HB because we need discussion. What you need to do Albert is target whichever of HB and Sil we don't lynch AS SOON AS NIGHT STARTS. If you do that, hopefully your kill will go through before Scums kill, meaning you kill off the last remaining scum and you, me and Nocmen can live in peace and harmony happily ever after.

[JordanA24]

This leaves me to suspect that ABR's claim is false and that he is mafia who killed his most avid attacker hoping that his SK claim would save him from suspicion.

I find that hard to believe, I've said I doubt scum would claim SK, and that's not the only possible reason scum would kill DYH, for example, they might have just that DYH was the most experienced player here, so they killed him.

[JordanA24]

I agree with Nocmen here, we lynch Sil today, since he's almost certain mafia, and have Albert and Haut Boy sort it out tonight, because, either way, it looks like they're targetting eachother tonight anyway. I'm more inclined to believe Albert right now, since if I were SK, I'd have killed Albert last night, and looking back at his posts, Albert just generally looks more believable.

[JordanA24]

I agree with Haut Boy on one thing, if anything. I've been suspecting Nocmen since the beginning, and voting for Silmiriel might just be playing into his game. Haut Boy is surefire lynch and 100% liar, why can't you guys see ?

As for the mafia's(a.k.a. Haut Boy) reason for wanting me dead over Sil is because I am SK. I have the power to destroy the mafia. I am dangerous.

Think of it, if we lynch Haut Boy, I can simply NK the other one and mafia will lose 100%. Would that be an acceptable risk if you were mafia ? Let's lynch Haut Boy today because what I've said is the truth.

Problem is Al, we can't be sure Haut Boy's scum, you could both be the SK, as I've already said, I'm leaning towards you, but I could just as easily be wrong. But I really can't think of a feasible scum group that doesn't include Sil, he's much more likely scum than either of you.

[JordanA24]

I don't know why you trust Nocmen so much. I would readily vote Sil out, but if she turns town...

No, really, he fake claimed tracker, SK, lied about his intentions, contradicted himself...why can't you see that ?

Yep, and you fake claimed townie before going for SK, seriously, there's next to no chance that Sil will turn up town, if she does, it means that we have a scum group that either has you and Haut Boy, not likely, or it includes Nocmen, who's doc IMO. Why I trust him?He's contributing, actively trying to find scum, and he was the second one to vote for Tony, who we know was scum.

[JordanA24]

FOS: Haut Boy

. Appreciate you moving the game along, but that sounded very much like 'Oh well, Sil's going down anyway, may as well bus him before people start suspecting me more.'

[JordanA24]

Bah!

Great game Albert, never would have guessed you were the scum.

[JordanA24]

And well done Haut Boy, first time in a while I've seen an SK win.

[JordanA24]

And Yellowbounder, WTF ? VIRUS' CAN'T TALK LOL!!

I think the obvious role for the SK would be "Virus/Serial Killer"

Last time I checked, viruses couldn't talk. Die scum.

Hilarious.

[JordanA24]

Definatly /in for next Hacker Mafia.