Mini 1558 - VisCon: Crossroads [Game Over]

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VOTE: GiF
Bad puns are bad.
Also predictions: Aetis dies Night 1 and Lizen makes it lylo.

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Aetis: Immortal monster of all VisCon games who dies N1.
Lizen: another character who tends to make it to lylo.

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blah.

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UNVOTE:
for now.

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GiF fears me for some reason. Clearly this must mean he is scum.

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Ok GiF, you caught me. Would you mind if I bus pie before you go after me?

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not getting prodded.

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who do you want to lynch?

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Ok guys, its killin time. where do people want my vote?

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sure why not
VOTE: neil

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Gaiden lurks with intensity of a kitten about to pounce on prey(red dot on the floor).

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How about we flash wagon GiF then?
at the very least, it add some excitement to the game.

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our game is afoot then GiF.
Also, Majiffy, don't assume anything about first time play on-site. I went and played "hypernoob" strategy my first game and won with it.

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I get that a lot.

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for now,
UNVOTE:

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I agree.
VOTE: neil

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Scum Gaiden would have shot GiF.

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blah, i've kicked my 2048 habit and will start to be around more.

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Question, how likely is it that GiF was vigged?

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I asked the question because i began to wonder why Desp didn't die last night.

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I doubt i'm scum. But seriously, why didn't desp die last night? This is an important question.

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You soft claimed a role that is likely to be either a cop variant or doc variant. so i wonder why you didn't get killed.

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You soft claimed a role that is likely to be either a cop variant or doc variant. so i wonder why you didn't get killed.

Even if you think he soft claimed something like that, why are you fishing for it right now? And as already made apparent, I think only a select few of us are familiar with the VisCon flavor (you, me, Desp, dunno who else).

so we should ignore this then? even when the brief things that i said early day 1 would imply that there is viscon continuity? do you think scum wouldn't look into past viscon games and look up the names that i mentioned?

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I'll drop it then. The issue that i had was how he claimed that the "FakeGod Setup" conftowned him. Especially when in the Desert one, we saw a third party faction from Wingate aligned with town.

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The issue that i had was how he claimed that the "FakeGod Setup" conftowned him.

Hmmm. But this can mean a lot of things. We're talking about FakeGod here.

Desp could be referencing a different character (a certain innocent child for example), flavor, his actual role, set-up speculation, etc.

Regarding Desp not dying, he could have been protected, the scum-team could have completely missed whatever it is Desp is implying, they could have just viewed him as less of a threat, etc.



Regardless, I do want to know what you think about it since you brought it up.

It was just something that bugged me.

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lol flail

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honestly, i thought he was gonna say that. I dunno. I was hoping to hammer, but no one is putting him at L-1.
i'll probably vote him in a bit.

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I like to hammer. It makes me feel Powerful.

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sorry.
POW-erful

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Pun-ishment must be dealt.
I blame my friend for never being able to hear the word "punisher" the same way again.

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I guess i'll express intent to hammer.

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I think a mass claim is in order.
I'll start if necessary.

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ok.
Villager.

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do we have a vig?
I asked when gif died if we had one and no one answered...
or maybe someone did and i missed it.

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also, you should never be happy that i survive to this kind of situation.
I'm notoriously bad at this stage in the game. ask anyone.
if it was a vig shot, the proper thing would have been to shoot me.

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I can also show how if we do have a vig, not shooting anyone on the niel wagon was the worst move possible. Assuming that pie's claim is true.

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I will assume that we have no vig.
what do i have to work with: witch of energy, witch of truth and lies, witch of perception.
3 dead villagers. and I claimed villager. am i missing anything?

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If an sk exists, it must be on the niel wagon then. since if the sk weren't, they are playing sub optimally.
if town killing role, they should have killed in the niel wagon. since if he didn't, they are playing sub optimally.

brian, just claim.
Also, pie, you should claim as much as you can about your role now.

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I can show that your claim is probably true.
I'm off to work soon, but i can post the logic when i get there. (the idea came to me while i was falling asleep.)

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I remember someone asking if this game is multiball.
I have some fun news if it is.
If this game is multiball, the other faction must be on the neil wagon or that team played sub-optimally.

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Majiffy, why am i not dead?

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I still don't understand why you didn't kill me last night.

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So you went for a suboptimal town play cause you wanted baitslot dead?

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That doesn't matter. If you take Pie's claim to be true, then killing anyone on the neil wagon does the following:
1. Removes someone who you think would be useless at this stage in the game (me).
2. Ends with 2 scum in a 3 person pool at worst. Even at mylo, this is favorable. This gives 2/3 odds to lynch scum, then you shoot the last person and bam 2 dead scum and likely you would die too since you would have to claim the vig shot if town was hit. Still 2 for 1 trade is quite good.

Am I missing something here?

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So you missed the bit D2 where pie claimed 1-shot sensor?

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You could have confirmed it yourself by killing pie N2. A town flip would imply that we have no reason to doubt the claim and it would have put us at mylo with 50% to lynch scum. However, if you had claimed the vig shot at pie, then you pretty much conftown yourself since scum would be insane to put themselves in a position where most of the would die. So we would actually have 2/3 odds of lynching scum.

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I don't understand. Killing a townread to put town in a favorable position is good play.
Then again, i'm bad at this game.

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Yet, you didn't kill me. You wanted me this far. You knew how I was after Frozen. Yet, here I am.
I am a non-threat. I am a quickhammerer. I will vote stupidly. Yet, here I am.

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I would be up for a Desp lynch.

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lol brian. Just cause a character is town one game doesn't mean they will be town in the next. You saw the wingate thing (granted the shift was scum to town, but the idea still applies.).
Also, Desp's push that "I have this character i must be town" is funny.

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I vote we lynch someone who was on the niel wagon unless we have cause to believe that pie is scum who is lying to us.

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desp, who did you protect?

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I should have done this earlier.

V/LA till tuesday.

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any reason that vote is on me?

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K. Good enough reason for me.
any thoughts on what being "marked" means?

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Majiffy and Desp: did you target someone last night?

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Brian, did you target someone last night?

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easter prod dodge.

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I don't like Brian's vote on me.

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Hi Majiffy, you didn't kill me again. (Really, i don't know why you are keeping me alive)
Brian's rationale is "lets copy what desp said cept more long-winded".

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But shooting me would have, from your perspective, given you a guaranteed kill on scum by the start of night 4.
I don't understand your play.

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lol
i got hammered.
either way.
Good luck.
Pedit: bork, get jiffy for me.

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i'm sad i cannot tell you guys the setup.
usually i know every role in a viscon game at this point, but i have nothing.
just know, someone who is marked is scum.

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probably.

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yeah, that doesn't sit well with me either.
i'm thinking if there are 2 two person scum teams, that it would imply that both desp and jiffy are scum though.
i wish i could have reasoned more out of the roles.

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lol. it's k.
i have time before twilight, i should post my thoughts, but at work, so i'll post what i can.

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Well, given i am a villager, this isn't that big of a loss. Also, assuming pie is town, then you guys have 50% chance at not losing tomorrow.
I would bet that you have a guaranteed scum kill though. gut tells me so.
Scum must kill off that wagon, so i would want desp to protect pie.
That's all i have right now.

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I am amused.
GG. Good claim pie.

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lol