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Shit, Plum, he's onto us. Hurry up and push the wagon on our scumpartner DDD so we can get the towncredsIn post 45, Does Bo Know wrote: Look it's my perfect scum team that I called earlier yay-
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If you had spelled my name right I'd have said yes. But now, I'm too sad.In post 59, kanyeknowsbest wrote:kazu would u like 2b mafia friends w. me?
Hell if I know. Considering whom this particular hydra consists of, I'm not even going to try to sort you until later.In post 60, walked into a club wrote:
Am I scum for not having a vote, then?In post 57, Kazekirimaru wrote:Avoided all possible RVS wagon choices-
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It's both of you, actually. In the games I've played with either of you separately, I've had a correct read zero times. Deal with it.In post 62, walked into a club wrote:
Why is it that people do this "oh no big bad cabd not bothering to sort you" shit? (Or if you wanna make malakittens feel awesome reply that you are afraid of her not me)In post 61, Kazekirimaru wrote:whom this particular hydra consists of
People would probably be more willing to sort you, Cabd, if fucking with people as both alignments and apathy weren't the key aspects that you're known for. Kthx-
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Keep it on me. I'd like to get the mandatory shitwagon out of the way early. Then when the people who can actually read me come in and tell you all how stupid you're being, we'll have plenty of info to parse.
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You should. We were on a boat once. You tried to lynch me. It was a grand ol' time.In post 83, Plum wrote:
Do I know you?In post 50, Kazekirimaru wrote:
Shit, Plum, he's onto us. Hurry up and push the wagon on our scumpartner DDD so we can get the towncredsIn post 45, Does Bo Know wrote: Look it's my perfect scum team that I called earlier yay-
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Goodness. Another abrasive type. How fun.In post 90, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: This whole exchange, in addition to being exactly what I mean in qualifying for "The List" is also really fucking shitty and I don't like it.
Kanye, either of these two chucklefucks scum?
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Don't threaten me with a good time.In post 100, The Purple Plague wrote:Pedit: I can be abrasive Kaze~~
Threaten me with your thoughts on Plum, instead.-
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Mm. So the DDD vote was serious after all. So, why is your vote there?In post 126, Plum wrote:
It wasn't an RVS vote, and I am scumhunting.In post 123, Kazekirimaru wrote:So...riding on your RVS vote and not scumhunting is what you think best?-
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I'm not kazu, eitherIn post 137, kanyeknowsbest wrote:ok? yioure not kazu so im not really going to elaborate on that.
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Please do let me know when you're in a better position to articulate, then.In post 132, Plum wrote: First post notes obvious obvious annoyances, remains detached from game (same actually in a few following posts). This may be hard to explain properly, but. No idea exactly how scummy it is, obviously.-
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I do believe my surprise meter was reading a zero at the time. The "after all" was in reference to the fact that it was a naked vote.In post 147, kanyeknowsbest wrote: i ndio believe this belies a slight amount of surprise yes-
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When I saw the vote count and thought it would be a novel idea to push your wagon.
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I'm not sure yet. She was more aggressive and hard-stanced in the last game I played with her - and she was scum there. I'll probably have to read up on her a bit for a definitive answer, but the fact that she game me a genuine sounding "eh, I dunno, but it's scummy" instead of attempting to contrive a convincing reason for her DDD vote makes me want to call her town.-
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Sentiment shared.In post 169, kanyeknowsbest wrote:also if we pull the wait until the last minute before deadline to lynch shit in this game too im gonna throw a fucking fit. im gonna get completely hysterical and inconsolable.
Really? Not a single thing in eight pages pings you?In post 176, Smudger wrote:Bo. not really focused on him (DDD) or anyone else in particular at this moment. Nothing seems to be a stand out for me after reading through, why do you ask?
SoIn post 172, Does Bo Know wrote:@Nacho: Nope, I'm not very good at pushing wagons. In all my years of experience, I've come to the generalization that I'm not entirely too good at Mafia. I've spent most of my career sheeping other players' reasoning and I seem to be more right when I listen to arguments other players give than trying to find more scumtells on my own. It's why I usual resort to PoE most of the time.
It's not like I'm mindless. I do my best to consider all the arguments everyone gives. It's just difficult for me to lock down on a scum if they're even scum.
When I said earlier that I realized my mistake, it was mostly on reference to a philosophy I had pushed for a few years, including in Newbie games: your vote should always be on someone you suspect the most (like I basically had not done).
But also throughout the years, I remember playing a few games where sometimes, you have to make the best of your vote, like a vote on your top suspect if it's the only vote might not be as valuable as an L-2 wagon vote on your second-best scum pick because it's better for pressuring and such. I guess that strategy with votes resonated more with me at the time of my decision.
I switched back on Plum because you guys were asking me why I wasn't doing it (suspecting me for it as well) and then I had to think "Yeah, I probably should be doing that instead."
Oh, and excuse me Nacho for not being able to tell between you and Marangal. I guess I'm more used to your Newbie game playstyle, which is much more calm.
you're going to sheep people and not push your scumreads
and you voted Plum to appease people were asking you why you weren't.
Am I following you correctly?
Aren't you nice?In post 177, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote: I'm his way of looking like he's doing something productive.
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Hi there.
Bo is a good place to start, it seems.
Aside from that Smudger looks odd to me, and Nati to some extent though I'm not sure why yet. Starting to think my early suspicions of DDD are nothing.
I jumbled that statement up in my brain. Sorry. Thought it said something completely different.In post 186, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
I don't see what A has to do with B given my statement isn't mean, it's a simple conjecture about his behavior in the game that I'm the thing he points at when he needs to have an opinion or get the attention off himself. Do you disagree?In post 183, Kazekirimaru wrote:
(B) Aren't you nice?In post 177, Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote: (A) I'm his way of looking like he's doing something productive.
How about you do that productive thing sometime?
Sometime? Yeah, I can probably be productive sometime; not now though.
Tempted to look into your games to see if you start slow as a rule but considering I seem to be the only one caring about this it must be so.
I have a "friendly, easy going playing style"? I thought I was moderately snide, at best.In post 187, Smudger wrote:Kaze, nothing goes PING! Except Bo's shit reason to vote Purple, your friendly easy going playing style and a sudden desire to drink tea.
What about you, besides your underwear elastic, what pings you?
What pings me? A lot of things. Bo's apparent need to appease people pings me, DDD's "I'll get to it later attitude" pings me, and Nati's still self-voting.
Because they're cool.In post 188, Smudger wrote:Oh and why Selkie values your opinion and why Purple wants an artificial town block?
And I think I'll not comment on what NachoMara's doing until they're actually doing it.-
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There's not much of a case right now. Just poke it and see what comes out.In post 191, Selkies wrote: I don't understand the case on bo could you talk to me about it
I personally dislike how he keeps taking a conciliating tone in posts like 105 and 172.
And then there's the fact that he claims to dislike pushing scum by himself, yet he's currently the solitary vote on Plum. Before that he was voting with someone else with his other two votes. The vote on Plum just looks all-around odd to me, actually. It reads to me, along with being a placating vote like I stated earlier, as a "look at me, I do stuff on my own!" exclamation. Going against the grain for the sake of it. He even stated he didn't expect anything to come of it.-
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In post 193, Smudger wrote:Kaze. The easy going comment, it was sarcasm,
Prolonged fluff at the beginning of the game makes it hard to get into serious mode.In post 194, Selkies wrote: I thought his answers to the questions about ideal RVS were pretty interesting. I followed a recent newbie game where he was scum, and IMO his comments about ideal RVS when he's scum matches both his play and his postgame comments in that game.
How is he preventing the kickstart of scumhunting?
Didn't say he did this game.In post 194, Selkies wrote: He's not looking very apathetic atm.
And what is to be of endgame when we're all still snug in the townbloc? Cross that bridge when we come to it or what?In post 195, The Purple Plague wrote: The chance that we are all town is better Than that game but still not entirely likely. We all have had a fair amount of games with the other and we know moth about each other than we do the others in those game.
The others in this game not in the block are arguably strong though they lack the familiarity that would make this block work.
We all also have records of letting our pride/paranoia/w/e he tuck get in the way ogre our acumen hunting and if we take that out of the equation it'll make for a much more cohesive and successful game.
Thanks for the synopsis of your posts. What color rope do you want?In post 198, Does Bo Know wrote:Yep. I changed my vote to appease people. You guys were suspecting me for something really stupid. So I changed my mind and went to the philosophy I usually follow instead of that other reason.
And then I got weak and decided to let out how shitty I think my scumhunting and wagon pushing really is.
The end
okIn post 199, Does Bo Know wrote: How is there not much of a case
When you basically gave a case appropriate considering the amount of actual content so far?
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Nah, I just forgot to take the logic compressor out of my signal chain.In post 222, Selkies wrote:You've boosted the gain on your chaotic channel.
Why is plague town, again?In post 224, Does Bo Know wrote:I just think Plague is town
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So scum popping up and saying "hey guys let's make a townbloc and include me in it" isn't a viable line of play at all in your opinion?In post 226, Does Bo Know wrote:In my experience, scum aren't the first ones to bring up town blocs. Town are.-
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Why would scum immediately jump on a lurker like yourself when there are so many people out and about to aim for, Garmr?
I think you're just getting legitimate heat for not doing anything. People don't like lurkers as a rule. Causes frustration. I'd say LLD's reaction to you moseying on in and saying "lol hai what's up?" after a bunch of pages is pretty justified.
Your so called "reaction test", however, causes me no small amount of discomfort.
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One might say you are a potIn post 274, Garmr wrote:Anyway Kaze what's your opinion on Lady Lambdadelta. Can you find a post which could be considered providing actual content?
and one might say LLD is a kettle.
Anyway, I haven't much of an opinion on LLD yet, but she's been a hell of a lot more proactive than you. That's for sure.-
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UhmIn post 292, Garmr wrote:You just copy and pasted all my scum and town games with out reading them.
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Why do people keep asking this?In post 311, Smudger wrote: can someone ask me a question please..? I am feeling left out...
You can ask a question too, you know. It's a magical experience.
Eager to defend yourself, I see.In post 319, Garmr wrote:@walked into a club
Can I have at least of sample of your meta case on me club It doesn't have to be the whole thing. I just want proof that you actually attempted a meta read.
Another one eager to defend. And this time we even take jabs at our voter! Rather poor ones, at that.In post 324, Smudger wrote: you seem to like bouncing around a bit don't you... I mean Purple's your main target here and yet you sheep their vote on me, but hang on what about Bo, it is Bo you want to kill? does he figure any more? Ahhhh no you have cracked it have you not, the game is over as basically you have pegged a nice bag of scummies, well done.. lets go have a cup of tea....
Totally.In post 327, Smudger wrote: based on what? The fact I use sarcasm as a tool to wind people up, didn't know that was a reason to vote someone, maybe we should all vote Kaze?
Isn't that more of a playstyle thing?In post 334, Does Bo Know wrote:In other news I don't think Garmr is scum.
Too pushy and confrontational too quickly. I feel like scum in general would try to at least take a further step back first to make sure a wagon won't build on him, but Garmr didn't seem to care.
> Bo mentions he likes Garmr for town better because he's confrontational.In post 340, Smudger wrote:@Lady
Why do you answer a question with a mightier than though put down and a crapy attitude? how the fuck do you expect people to take you seriously as an experienced player if all you are going to do is look up your own arse and inspect your colon? The only thing such response will get from me is a similar and as off handed approach as I don't really appreciate prats who think they are better than me. I would prefer a little interaction through a dialogue composed of questions and answers, not some bullshit attitude.
> Smudger posts this
Mm. Sounds good. Yep.
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THANK YOUIn post 342, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: It's too bad that Cases are scummy, and I'm not going to indulge you.
I understand your modus operandi 1000% better now-
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You're missing the point.In post 362, Smudger wrote:
but that is not directed at Bo....In post 354, Kazekirimaru wrote:Smudger posts this-
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Feeling good about the post overall, but I don't think this is a good time for that vote.
(Personality flaws? What's wrong with town being confident in their reads? ._.)-
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I think so.In post 393, Does Bo Know wrote:Hm, are double voters normal?
But apparently it's a moot point.-
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You know, I don't think you ever actually claimed any flavor. Why's that?In post 528, Smudger wrote:
that it is it, nice.. how about you settle for scum blood, mines pretty pure to be honest, or are you into seal culling?In post 524, Kazekirimaru wrote:I want your blood on my dance floor.-
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Pretty much agreed atmIn post 526, Natirasha wrote:Yup Bo is pretty town.-
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I honestly don't even know what you're getting at right now.In post 533, Garmr wrote:
Kaze that's close to a trust tell with that quote so zip zip zip before we continue any further before mod shots start.In post 530, Kazekirimaru wrote:
You know, I don't think you ever actually claimed any flavor. Why's that?In post 528, Smudger wrote:
that it is it, nice.. how about you settle for scum blood, mines pretty pure to be honest, or are you into seal culling?In post 524, Kazekirimaru wrote:I want your blood on my dance floor.-
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Oh God mid-game advice.In post 606, The Purple Plague wrote:No, I'm just saying that one should understand their flaws in their play and do their best to take that in consideration every game.
as far as anti-town tells, it's hard to explain, but it boils down to motivation over what something actually looks like (which isn't an easy thing to do, inherently)
as far for what you did in Wisdom's game, I wanted to punch you with how you tunneled ER (sorry )
I can't tell you exactly what you need to fix, you need to do that on your own, but I can tell you what I noticed and what I thought in that game. You seemed convinced that it made her scum. It was menial to me, as it didn't show her motivation.
You're case in 96 didn't resonate with me, most of that stuff was more anti-town and more not paying attention to the gamestate than anything
Here, in this game you picked something up I, and Nacho did. I liked the vote he placed, Smudge opening post was gut-wrenching but I am aware that town can do that as well.
When I reached out to him, he acted like a defeatist and started harping on his own play (which is something I think is more town-esque) and post-advice from both of us, he started to do... something (though I honestly don't know how to take that)
I had asked Peng-al something but she hasn't responded to it, Smudge did.
We both had a goodish scum-read on smudge but I am a little worried about the read on him, and especially on how he isn't really trying to diffuse it himself.
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That's L-1.In post 614, Selkies wrote:I asked fery to catch me up in this game. Sorry for not paying too much attention.
I think at this point in time I agree with fery about Smudger being more than likely town. His wagon is driven on his snark to LLD (I think?) which in our experiences actually lean town more often than it leans scum.
Fery tihnks that the early reaction was pretty bad but given how the wagon is stagnating at L-1 he's had a much more towny vibe. I...agree with that, but would like to add that when wagons stagnate at L-1 it's much easier than when the wagon is actually building (for the scum player that is)
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Mm. The PA wagon is bad for the speed and timing alone. I'm surprised people are actually entertaining the idea that it's legitimate.
Selkies's 627. Gives me the bad feels. "Idk about fery but cabd seems pretty weird right now" Just bleh.
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