Mini 410 - McDonald's Mafia [Game Over!]

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Whats up everyone, seems like theres some claiming action already, I will catch up ASAP.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

StallingChamp - protown throughout the game and was correct with his 99% scum prediction with DoS.

Pink Princess - cop claim makes her protown for the moment, so there shouldn't be so many votes on her right now.

Glork - I believe his survivor claim for now, but I will keep scum gambit and especially investigation-immune SK possibilities in mind for later in the game

yellowbounder - one of my top scum suspects. Generally unhelpful to the town: seldomly expressed his suspicions on scum, goes off topic in some of his posts, seems to be confused a lot, and most recently made one-liner posts, which in my view is lurking in plain sight.

Amb - doc claim makes him a bad lynch at the moment.

Frozen Atlantic - I believe his RB claim for now, but there is scum RB possibility to keep in mind

pete d - I'm relatively neutral about him. I see both scummy and protown aspects from his play up to this point.

DeanWinchester - I have no problems with him at all

blahgo

The Central Scrutinizer - I see a lot of protown play from him, so he's towards bottom of my list

Omega

Machiavellian-Mafia - Obviously I'm protown

Zarvok

now a ranger - no read on him because of zarvok's lack of participation


Assuming there is a 3-person mafia group, I would say the 2nd scum is yellowbounder, so

VOTE: yellowbounder

, and the third scum is pete or nar(formerly zarvok).

One last comment, since this is a themed game and so many power roles have come out already, I would definately keep the possibility of scum power roles in mind because there isn't a high chance that all claimed power roles are protown.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I would suggest that everybody go look at both wagons on DoS.

Glork - I believe his survivor claim for now, but I will keep scum gambit and especially investigation-immune SK possibilities in mind for later in the game

The implications of me being an SK are pretty serious. If we suppose that FrAt is legitimate, then it would almost

necessarily

imply that PP is a Mafiate whose kill was blocked, and that I targeted whomever Amb protected. You seem to accept that PP's claim is true, and you posit the existence of FrAt as a mafia roleblocker, either of which would

strongly

indicate that I could not be an SK. Where would the second nonkill have come from?

At this point I wouldn't know, I'm just saying that you are not 100% cleared with your claim as of right now because of some other possibilities. Things will fall into place as the game progresses onwards.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

You bring up a legit point SC, I'll keep that in mind about TCS, however I still think yellowbounder = most likely scum.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Yes, Yellowbounder is on the top of my scummy list too!

Vote: Yellowbounder

Can you give your reasons why yellowbounder is on the top of your scummy list? "The same reasons as the ones you mentioned" is not a legit answer.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Better idea, how bout we lynch PP today and vig you tonight?

I disagree. Lynching claimed cop without counterclaim should only be a last resort option because the claimed cop should have a chance to confirm his/her ability.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I'm currently buying both cop claims at the moment because I wouldn't think scum would go on a suicide mission to out the cop and the cop counterclaimer DW even thinks PP is another kind of cop.

Also NAR is pinging more frequently on my scumdar, and he didn't mention me in his analysis even though he said he's going to talk about every person.

On another note about NAR, he's apparantly involved in a multiple accounts problem:
viewtopic.php?t=5032

And I'd like to hear from yellowbounder or get a replacement for him because he's still my top suspect at the moment.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Just got Sarnath'd by Glork regarding now a ranger's issues

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

yellowbounder - one of my top scum suspects. Generally unhelpful to the town: seldomly expressed his suspicions on scum, goes off topic in some of his posts, seems to be confused a lot, and most recently made one-liner posts, which in my view is lurking in plain sight.

I've said what I think, and tried to express my views to the town. I don't have very many. I'm an off topic sort of person, but I don't really see where this is coming from. Is it wrong to ask questions?

Being off topic is not protown play because it's unhelpful, distracts the town from scumhunting, and makes the poster seem to be posting some content when they really aren't. Also it's not wrong to ask questions, but you are asking so many questions to the extent which makes me believe you are an overcautious scum who wants everyone else to say the right things for you instead you making definitive statements yourself.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

yellowbounder are you suspicious of anyone else at the moment besides NAR?

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I prefer lynching YB over PP at this point since YB is scummy and has not claimed while we can let PP prove her claim.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

@MM: how can PP prove her claim? if she is scum, she'll just make up a result and pretend to be naive or paranoid or whatever.

e.g. she gets guilty result and the person gets lynched and turns out scum.

If she continues to give suspicious results we can evaluate her at that later point. My main point about PP is that she should get a chance to prove herself when her claim has legit flavor and the counterclaimer didn't even say she's scum.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

What the counterclaimer thinks has nothing to do with it. If Dean is telling the truth, his opinion is no better or worse than anybody else's. I don't see why you're insistent on putting so much weight on "but the counterclaimer says there could be two!" The

only

thing that says to me is "if PP *does* turn up scum, DW is definitely scum, and he's trying to pre-emptively explain himself." Still, everything I'm seeing points to PP being scum right now.

I'd think normally when someone claims the same role as you, you would counter and immediately accuse the other person of being scum. But that wasn't the case with PP and DW.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

As you can see in my sig, I will be away on vacation from Friday ~ Sunday. It would be a miracle if I get a chance to post while in Daytona Beach

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Yellowbounder, can you elaborate on your vanilla claim (e.g. role name, flavor, win condition?)

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Yellowbounder, can you elaborate on your vanilla claim (e.g.

role name

, flavor,

win condition

?

)

Ok you only answered the flavor part of my question. Can you at least tell me your role name and win condition please?

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Unvote: yellowbounder

to give him chance to answer questions from SC and me without high risk of someone hammering.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I am satisfied with YB's claim now, I don't think he's scum.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

From what I see in YB's successive claim posts, he seems to be a real townie, so IMO I don't think YB is the lynch for today.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Ok SC, since you seem to see something that incriminates YB that I didn't see, I'll review YB's content again.