Mini 410 - McDonald's Mafia [Game Over!]

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Hey all!

I'll be doing my reread and posting my thoughts this afternoon. Class this morning.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I am very suspicious of Amb's reactions. My first inclination was to enter this game with a splash by putting him at -1. However, on second though, I think we would be smarter to lynch Frozen Atlantic. There was a lot of sound and fury from Frat early game because of SC's proxy-vote, and since then he's posted sporadically contentless posts.

If I had to shotgun a scumteam now, I'd probably go with Frozen Atlantic, Amb, and Pete D.

Anyway, now that you know my thought process, know that I hate second-guessing myself.

unvote, vote: Amb

FOS: Frozen Atlantic

-1

[The Central Scrutinizer]

unvote

That'll buy you a night.

Vote: Frozen Atlantic

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I'm feeling Carnelicious this game.

unvote, vote: DoS

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Here I go second-guessing again. I'd rather stick with my suspicions than just blindly follow wagons. Although DOS doesn't seem totally with it, I'd rather go with my gut. Sorry for all the hopping.

unvote, vote: Frozen Atlantic

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I would like to hear a flavor claim from Amb as well.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Did the reread, and I'm on board for a DoS lynch, possibly for the same reason that SC is (although I'm not sure what SC's reason is).

unvote, vote:DoS

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Hey I have sort of limited internet access, but I have it, so

vote: Frozen Atlantic

I'd be willing to lynch PP but my gut goes with Frozen.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Glork, can you explain why you claimed? I've been wondering about this for a while and I don't quite understand why you would single yourself out like this.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

To Glork: I'm just curious why we would keep you alive if you're not going to help the town, is all... but I understand

your

reasoning. It's probably the safest play.

That being said, if the lynches start smelling funny I'll be the first to doubt your claim. Bussing a scumbuddy, claiming survivor, and then not participating is like the holy grail of scum play... combine that with a totally convincing flavor and you can win easily.

The fact that the flavor is so convincing and that no-one has counterclaimed you for that role name is what convinces me.

Anyway, you are right. This is counterproductive. Frozen Atlantic should die. Now.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Because you have no reason to use up a day lynching me. You have ACTIVE, LETHAL threats to go after, not Neutral players. Why would you use a day lynching me? Is that the thanks you plan on giving me for D1?

I know your reading comprehension is better than that. I agree that it's a waste of time to lynch you if you claim is true, and that is

precisely

what plants a small germ of doubt in my mind. I'm willing to lynch other players because I do think we have better options at the moment. But don't think that you're completely off the hook in my reckoning.

You may now not participate. Go play some Guitar Hero or something.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

One small problem with your plan Glork.

You can't shut up to save your life.

+1

I'm thinking Frozen Atlantic and Glork? Maybe that's why FRAT wants us to shut up about him?

Bussing a scumbuddy and then claiming a role that the town shouldn't want to lynch... yeah, completely unheard of in mafiascum.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

To Glork: it just seems that you are over-defending yourself a lot for the role you claimed. Given that my initial posts explicitly delineated my intention to believe your claim despite my suspicions, I thought you would shut up and leave it at that. The fact that you kept on responding to my posts clarifying my original statement does not look good to me.

Let me clarify once again, and then I am done. Further posts on this issue will not be made by me. An experienced scum player might indeed bus their scumbuddy on Day 1, drop hints about a role, and then claim that role, should they want to remain alive until endgame. Perhaps I am being oversensitive, or even a little nuts by thinking someone else would do such a thing--but the simple fact is that it's something

I

would contrive to do. And anything my not-terribly-creative or good at deception self could come up with I would simply not put past an experienced player. My intention was never to cast you in a bad light, Glork. It was only to remind the rest of the town that

there is no substance in your role claim which guarantees it to be genuine

. You can't clear anyone; you can't claim to have protected anyone; you can't out anyone. Suspicion should not therefore completely fall from you just because you claimed non-scum. I could claim vanilla townie right now, for example, and it wouldn't make me a damn bit more innocent, because I have no proof. See what I mean? It was a caveat, originally, and a minuscule one at that. You're the one who made it into a big damn deal.

And now I'm done. Your flavor claim seems genuine, and that is what I am basing my decision NOT to vote for you on. Along with FA's claim, I'm willing to for at least this day suspend my suspicions and

unvote, vote: PP

.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Mass claims? We're almost there already.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

No massclaims on D2. That's ridiculous.

Well, after 4 out of 11 of us have claimed power roles, and one of us has softclaimed townie, we're almost half there anyway.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

EBWOP: I counted you in the "power roles" accidentally Glorkachev.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

i figured as much.

unvote, vote: PP

@TCS: who softclaimed townie? it wasnt your post 325 was it?

as for a third scum, i'm thinking probably Zarvok or Omega, possibly yellowbounder. as for TCS, who knows.

I'm not going to name names because they probably don't want to out themselves. They probably know who they are.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I may be asking too many questions, but "bussing a scum buddy"?

Pushing a lynch on/voting for a mafia partner in order to later claim innocent.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Yeah, if you have a role that got blocked, PP, it's time to claim. If 48 expire without a claim, or if I don't believe the claim, I'm revoting you.

unvote

[The Central Scrutinizer]

EBWOP: ...if 48 *hours* expire...

[The Central Scrutinizer]

We are not hearing from a LOT of people.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

After Glork mentioned it, I reread the section where I busted DoS and I think I might have found something.

Did the reread, and I'm on board for a DoS lynch, possibly for the same reason that SC is (although I'm not sure what SC's reason is).

unvote, vote:DoS

This screams that he is just jumping on to try and blend in. Also, am I the only one surprised by the part in brackets? To me, it seems that my reasoning was pretty damn obvious.

You voted for DoS based on the fact that his paraphrase of the vanilla townie role PM was incorrect. I did the same. I don't see what's terribly ambiguous about this series of events except that I didn't want to outright claim townie for the both of us. Now I have.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Congrats.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

If CS is faking it, I think it'll be simple to find out. (

note: I am not advocating or asking CS to give any more information at this point. I am saying he will proably be easy to bust or verify before a lynch if need be)

Only thing is I think that in busting DoS, I made it all too clear what any other scum should claim as vanilla.

It sounds like you're coming up with a reason to refute my claim before my wagon even begins. If I weren't 99% sure that you are a vanilla townie, I would be voting you.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I'm

really freaked out

by this voting for me. Makes no sense.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Ok, so:

StallingChamp - claimed town
Pink Princess - claimed cop
Glork - claimed survivor
yellowbounder
Amb - claimed doctor
Frozen Atlantic - claimed roleblocker
pete d
DeanWinchester
blahgo The Central Scrutinizer - claimed town
Omega Machiavellian-Mafia
Zarvok now a ranger

Not claiming:

yellowbounder
pete d
deanwinchester
machiavellian-mafia
now a ranger

We could cover our bases if we picked the three most scummy from this group, lynch one, investigate the second, and roleblock the third. Amb protects PP. If something fucks up, then we know that someone claimed falsely.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Now, FrAt... if everybody checks in and there *IS* no Cop counterclaim, what would you propose we do?

Oh, and while we're on the subject, it bothers me that TCS lumped his name in with the other claimed roles. He basically just claimed Townie and implied that because he's claimed as such, we shouldn't be looking at him. He suggests a plan that just goes after unclaimed players, and he advocated a massclaim earlier. TCS definitely does *NOT* sit well with me right now. I'm very happy with my vote on him.

Ask StallingChamp to read my posts in isolation and then tell you if I'm scum.

pete d, yellowbounder, machiavellian-mafia, now a ranger, does your flavor include a

reason

that you came to McDonald's?

Amb, who did you target last night?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Woah, woah woah! That post of TCS reeked of scumminess to me. Comments in bold.

Ask StallingChamp to read my posts in isolation and then tell you if I'm scum.

First of all, why was I dragged into this? Also, I have already said you look VERY scummy. I don't care for your posts in isolation when your posts in context stick out.

pete d, yellowbounder, machiavellian-mafia, now a ranger, does your flavor include a

reason

that you came to McDonald's?

What gives you the right to deduce that we should, in essence, mass-claim? Assuming you are a 'nilla (which is quite the stretch to begin with), what tells you that they may or may not have a reason even if you do or don't. I mean, if the powerroles are managers, for example, it may not say "You are at McDs to work".

Amb, who did you target last night?

Sorry, but why does this matter right now? I think its safe to assume it was either me or Glork, since we led the lynch on DoS. Glork claimed Survivor, make what you want of that, and the town seems to be accepting that, at least for the time being. Maybe I'm being egotistical here (correct me if I am), but I think I am almost 100% confirmed town for how I busted DoS. So if the town accpets that both probable targets are town, why not let Amb keep the target hidden, at least for now?

1. Because I'm reasonably certain you are vanilla town, and I have left at least one not-so-subtle clue about the explicit content of my role pm.

2. We've basically mass-claimed already. Where were you?

3. I think that Amb's claim of who he protected would help us sort out who is lying about their cop-role and who is not. And it's not like he'll die any sooner for it, assuming his claim was true.

But I'm reasonably sure it's PP anyway.

unvote, vote: PP

I think Glork's recommendations are good. Obviously if PP comes up cop, we have to wonder about Glork and Dean. But I don't think she will.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

This is a bad I deal. I think she is going to come up town. I think she is either a naive or paranoid cop.
What if she comes up town, but we get her role as a parnoid or naive cop? what do you propose we do then?

Okay, this says one of a couple of things to me?
A) You're a scumbag and you know she's going to turn up town, so you're trying to pre-emptively cover your own ass.
B) You're horribly mistaken, and you've conjured this idea that she's pro-town out of your own imagination.

I want to know exactly

why

you think that PP is a naive or paranoid Cop. Saying "I think she's going to come up town" does not mean anything to anybody. At first, you were suspicious of her claim. Just because she explains her "flavor" does not mean that her claim is automatically legitimate.

Obviously if PP comes up cop, we have to wonder about Glork and Dean. But I don't think she will.

I'm curious to know why you'd want to go after me. Any mafia player with a shred of talent or understanding will tell you that if the town is ahead of pace (as we are, with one scumbag dead and no townies dead), then in the event of a counterclaim, you *always* lynch the player who claimed first.
A scumbag has very, *VERY* little to gain by counterclaiming a legitimate cop. (Meaning Dean is very unlikely to be a cop.)
A second scumbag who is going down has *EVERY* reason to out a cop by claiming to be one if they know they're being lynched anyway. (Read: PP's claim now means nothing, since she was probably trying to out another power role before she got lynched.)

I'm only stating the most sensible, logical play; the

correct

play for

the town to make

. Yet you still seem in opposition to it, and to me in general. I'm becoming even more convinced that you're a Lyncher, and that I am your target. And I hate to break it to you; if that's the case, and the scumbags die, and the town has to decide whether to lynch you or me... I'm the one who's finding the scums, and you're the one who's sitting here going, "Don't listen to Glork, I think he's gambiting!"

The flaw in your logic would be that I agree with you about lynching PP. The rest of your post is just you covering your own ass in case she comes up town.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

The way she specifacly described her flavor.
She is a manager that checks there pockets.

There won't be two real active cops, we can agree on this right?
I know I'm the real cop.(I believe the health inspector checking some ones belongings will get a better read than a manger that checks there pockets.)
So PP is either lying or she is a paranoid/naive cop.

I don't think she is lying because she specifically mentioned that she checks pocket, which seems to perfectly mirror that I check the persons belongings. She is also a manger and this seems like it could definetly be the flavor for a paranoid/naive cop.

Do you believe it is possible that their is a real cop and a Paranoid/naive cop?

You know what?

unvote

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Regardless of who we lynch today, a cop should investigate now a ranger. Zarvok dropped two scumtells and NAR's posting hasn't been exactly helpful to the town.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

TCS - Seriously, quit trying to direct night actions to lurkers. It's scummy.

Whatever. Here, I'll just

FoS:Zarvok/now a ranger

and let the cop come to their own conclusions. I'm sure it's so much less scummy now.

1. Zarvok voted for DoS. (Scum voting scum page 1 tell?)

2. Zarvok defended DoS for no apparent reason.

3. NAR's posts in this thread are contentless, unhelpful spam.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Furthermore, I don't understand how my attempting to direct night choices is so much scummier than Glork doing the same thing.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I prefer lynching YB over PP at this point since YB is scummy and has not claimed while we can let PP prove her claim.

I agree with this, sort of. I still think Zarvok/NAR were more suspicious.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Expect a large offering from me in the next couple days. This game needs some sorting out.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

A reitteration of

Mod: Vote Count

?

And TCS, you say you've an offering?
The game seems to have stalled somewhat. If we're not careful the mod could grab his deadline stamp.

Yeah, sorry about that. School is interfering and yesterday when I wanted to reread the whole thread, it was ORANGE. I made it to page three before I had to go out and shank a homeless man in order to regain some semblance of sanity in my world.

Anyway. I still think we would be amiss to ignore Zarvok as possible scum. Yellowbounder is as good a lynch as any, I suppose.

I just wish that we could contrive some way to validate the night actions of all those who claimed... but I suppose insinuating that we should direct night choices is "scummy."

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Yes, YB. Your next post contains some paraphrasing of flavor or I'm hammering.

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Only one of the three questions was answered correctly... the rest are a little iffy.

I'm only partially sure about this lynch.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

FOS: NAR

for the inexplicable unvote.

I'm pretty sure NAR is scum with YB... his posts indicate scum, and now this combined with YB's less than convincing townie claim...

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Oh, and I'm not voting yet because I want to hammah. That's really the only reason.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I reread YB's claim and I think he's town now. It's a subtlety of wording. If you're vanilla, go back and reread your shit. I suggest everyone unvote.

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why doesn't anyone suspect TCS? He said on the last page he would hammer if YB's post didn't contain much, but he never did. It looks like he has been planning to not hammer YB all along. Even when YB didn't answer the questions asked thoroughly. Then, he changes his mind, and decides not to.

I was about to hammer, but something in his claim previously made me doubt. So I reread. He only answered one of SC's three questions directly, but his other two answers were pretty good paraphrases of the actual role pm. Something very specific about how he answered

the second question

makes me think he's town.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Also, TCS, if you still think I am scum, who do you think I am with? What do you think of Amb? How about PP or YB? Are you really that sure that YB is a townie just giving YB the benefit of the doubt?

I retract the FOS on you for unvoting Yellowbounder. I'm not sure that doing so makes you confirmed town if YB is town... I still dislike Zarvok's Day 1 play enough to still be suspicious of you.

I'm pretty sure at this point that YB is a townie. I would like him to be more precise about his Role PM, if possible.

I'm suspicious of all claimed power roles at this moment... but I doubt that all scum would have claimed pro-town power by now, so I am focusing on those that are unclaimed... hence yourself, and previously YB.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

SIDENOTE: fixed!

On topic, I like a YB lynch now. I do not wish to expand too much on why, but hope that others (some, not all) can see where I am coming from with this.

I just don't think he understands what you were implying.

Put his flavor claim and his post next to each other and compare them more carefully. While what you just did makes me more suspicious of him, but I'm still not 100% comfortable with a YB lynch.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Sorry, but which 2 posts? I just want to make sure before I spend a while checking them.

I'm sorry, his claim post and your role PM was what I meant to write. Read carefully.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Why the drastic change in 12 minutes? You thought he was Mafia, I agreed with you, and now you think he might be town? Anyways, I am pretty sure that YB is scum. If I had to give a percentage, I would say 90% likely to be scum, with 9% being innatentive townie. 1% differance is for any other possibilities.

Well, his initial answers seemed a little vague at first. Then a I reread and realized that his answers are a pretty damn good paraphrase, in exact order, with the role PM. Check the syntax on the second one... there's a little clue there.