Mini 1482: Castle - A Mafia Murder So Vile (GAME OVER)

serrapaladin · Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:03 am

Except FG replaced TNE, and I remember thinking desp/tne wasn't possible with the amount of wking. I'll have to reread the both of them together.

I think peng-scum is a go. Desp's gambit makes more sense if he didn't have an easy deflection, which peng could have been.

wayne, what do you think about the tne/desp interaction?

Tater is conftown because there's no godfather. Scum wouldn't have a roleblocker AND a godfather.

serrapaladin · Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:05 am

I don't actually want to silence you, but there was a decent amount of stuff yesterday that had me questioning my own sanity.

It's gonna be 2 more scum, right? Cop + bodyguard vs. sk + rb + 2 goons sounds more or less balanced?

serrapaladin · Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:28 am

In post 3016, Bert wrote:last minute hammer

orly?

Eh, if Mara is misreading me again and has Bert/peng as town there's not much I can do. If you guys mislynch mantis after me I will be mightily pissed though.

serrapaladin · Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:47 am

>Bert implying I was defending myself
>FG feigning surprise

VOTE: fakegod

Besides me pinging guts, anything I can defend myself against?

serrapaladin · Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:10 am

How is tater town again? Boy, do I not get your progressions... Didn't you think she was a GF?

serrapaladin · Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:20 am

So you're listening to reason now? Colour me surprised. Reread mantis' reaction to being accused yesterday. Did it look like she and desp were in on it together?

serrapaladin · Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:49 am

That's not true, though. Mantis flipping scum would have meant Nati was the next lynch. With Nati flipping cop, desp's claim would have been called into question again.

serrapaladin · Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:01 am

In post 3067, Mantisdreamz wrote:
In post 3059, serrapaladin wrote:How is tater town again? Boy, do I not get your progressions... Didn't you think she was a GF?
serra.... why are you asking that, when you've clearly said that tater is conftown several times. how do you forget that? >.>

Did you not read the follow-ups? Of course I know why tater is town, I was just wondering what changed wayne's mind.

Can you guys at least go for FG when I flip town?

Bert, have you claimed a character yet?

If there's 3 scum, the last is Bert/peng, leaning Bert. I really hope macmollie didn't fake ragequit, but I would still say mantis/tater/wayne town is pretty likely.

serrapaladin · Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:02 am

Let's make it easier and call it a 1v1 then?

Why didn't you claim character when everyone else did?

serrapaladin · Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:03 am

You could have not outed the cop? :/ Even if your read on him is scum, it's not worth taking the game into your own hands over.

I'm sure people will just wifom this down, but considering I had pegged Nati as a PR D1, why would I not block or kill him N1? Peng and Bert obviously didn't figure it out, which explains why he survived N1.

I guess we can only hope mala only put 2 scum in the game? Bert is scum though, particularly with the hammer, and I'm guessing wisdom was right about peng, too.

serrapaladin · Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:14 am

Well yes, but you would have us lynch me, which would mean we lose, so my only hope is the game only having 2 scum.

If he was so obvious, why did scum not kill Nati N1?

Do you actually think Bert and I make sense as a team?

serrapaladin · Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:22 am

Unless macmollie fake rage-replaced, peng/Bert is a go. I still reaally don't see desp claiming fake-guilty on mantis.

There's no way I'd have let Nati get a result as a cop, or fucked around with my stance on desp. Bert criticising me for flip-flopping on desp is bullshit, as scum would have known what to expect and prepared a reaction.

This is probably LyLo, so no voting for now, but use FOS' or something.

serrapaladin · Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:45 am

What would I have to gain from quickhammering my buddy, when I had explained my reason for preferring a mantis lynch?

serrapaladin · Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:21 am

If I were desp's buddy, I would not have wavered on my read. If voting for scum makes me town, I would have voted him directly. You and peng make much more sense. Neither of you voted at all, because you wanted to catch as little flak as possible when desp flips. My immediate committal to trusting desp would be incredibly stupid coming from scum.

serrapaladin · Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:26 am

So suddenly it's scummy that I DIDN'T vote my buddy peng?

I didn't stick with anything. I voted with desp, but unvoted pretty quickly. Only when I had come to the conclusion that mantis was on average the optimal lynch, did I vote her.

If I'm scum, why wasn't the roleblocker on Nati N1 then?

You want me to die so badly because that means you win...

On the complete offchance we're wrong about our elimination of wayne/mantis, which one of them would you think is more likely to be scum?

And why not start with peng if we can agree she's scum?

I'm not immediately going to vote anyone in LyLo, but I never said I'd prefer lynching you today.

serrapaladin · Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:13 pm

Interesting. PoE or reasoning? A bit odd you'd wait for the claim, when I think she'd at least character claimed before. Were you expecting something different?

Just to have it all in one place, I'm Javier Esposito, VT. After bodyguard/cop I wouldn't really have expected more PR's. Although, that's not THAT much town power, so 2 scum + SK isn't out of the question (please be town, Bert! If you are I'm sorry I ever doubted you <3).

serrapaladin · Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:03 pm

People avoiding threads is a decent tell, but some people are almost always logged in.

I'm really starting to feel a bit paranoid about this, but I still have wayne/mantis as no-gos. I want Bert to be town, but after peng, he'd be my next pick.

I agree with voting Peng today.

serrapaladin · Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:03 pm

My play mirrors Amnesiac in what way?

serrapaladin · Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:04 pm

Yeah Bert, do wait.

serrapaladin · Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:04 pm

Mantis, please unvote?

serrapaladin · Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:06 pm

wayne, let's talk.

I want to talk this through with wayne, because I'm wavering on Bert-scum and it seems as though he's setting up my lynch for after peng flips scum.

serrapaladin · Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:08 pm

A late-game mention of "your play here is like __insert scum game___" is the oldest play in the book.

serrapaladin · Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:12 pm

Bert, I mentioned 1v1 you to see how you would react to it. I suppose you could call it trying to rationalise my PoE read, but unless peng is the only scum, one of you/wayne/mantis must be scum. I totally don't see mantis, because that would be a very questionable move by desp.

wayne, unvote me?

serrapaladin · Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:13 pm

It's not a defense because there was nothing to defend against, you buffoon. It was not a defense, just like "yo this is your scum game" is no attack.

<3 mantis

serrapaladin · Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:20 pm

In post 3162, waynegg wrote:
In post 3150, serrapaladin wrote:My play mirrors Amnesiac in what way?
Tone, direction, and lack of a firm stance. That and having to be "convinced" to vote townies moreso than when you're town. You also seek to gain favor and not raise too many eyebrows for too long a period.

In short, your scum play is much more cautious than that your town play. You've been that type of cautious here.

Pedits

Unvote

Thanks

I already did

...Let's

And that hasn't changed. Serra was up there too.

Skip the last 3

My play has been cautious here? There was a lull somewhere D2/3 where my play was almost non-existent by a mixture of apathy and other things to do, but I've never been actively lurking like I did in that game. In particular I'm sure you saw my DL behaviour in that game, which was the terribly obvious "let me just hang back and have them mislynch". D1 deadline was everything but cautious.

As to not voting townies, I have voted slimer, fitz, and FG more or less without being prompted (as well as mantis, who is likely town, too).

serrapaladin · Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:21 pm

In particular, going straight for Desp D1, while pushing a policy lynch on slimer was probably the least cautious I've ever played if I were scum. If you've read Amnesiac you know I have the terrible tendency to keep my buddies as fairly nullreads.

This sudden new meta argument against me just doesn't sit right at all...

serrapaladin · Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:27 pm

After all that you bite on to the fact that I didn't call your argument INVALID again when I just described why you're wrong.

I don't care that you're wrong, town is wrong a lot, what worries me is how SUDDENLY this new argument popped up.

Good god I really hope you're scum...

I was never fucking null on desp. I made a case on him D1 and had him/wis as the scumteam.

serrapaladin · Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:30 pm

Because you think it's true, or because it's not? We should really have listened to mara and not let you into mylo :/ I really can't tell if you're scum or just really really bad

serrapaladin · Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:49 pm

mantis is town

peng is probably scum

I have no idea between you/wayne :/

mollie was moderately townie (but then I keep misreading her), and mac's rage seemed genuine, but wayne is just....

serrapaladin · Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:24 pm

Jesus fucking Christ, wayne.

Seriously.

*deep breath*

GG scum!

Bert, despite all your derpness you really are decent scumplayer.

serrapaladin · Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:01 pm

I had you desp, but your fakeclaim had me wavering

Thanks for the dose of Castle, mala!

serrapaladin · Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:53 am

We'll get there eventually, wis. We've never been anything but town-town, have we? o.o

Bert, I think you'll find a decent sig in the dead QT from mara <3

serrapaladin · Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:41 am

Love you, really. You should come post in my game, btw <3