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c_d and dead rik are arguing points at different levels I think. therefore they're not attacking each other's direct arguments. Also, I think c_d's stealing examples have not been clear enough to make a good point.
good to know for future reference.
also,unvote, vote: Dead rikimarubecause I sense he's trying to pick an easily won fight.Sup, later.-
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ah, gotcha, KC. valid point. I tend to not value those types of replacement tells.
Oh yes, I really think that Sherlock was acting scummy and I do not agree with his moves. What purpose does it serve me to mention it now?
To show that I'm taking the game in a different light. And that I choose to do what I want independent of the guy I replaced.
Whether it started an argument or not, oh well. But I think that replacements ought to make some mention and show their stance on the guy they replaced. I think that replacing into a game without discussing pertinent events is not always helping the town. The biggest benefit a replacement can give is to give a new point of view on some mundance points that might have been passed over long ago.
However, in this game, there wasn't exactly anything that was truly huge when I came in, so yeah, whatever.Sup, later.-
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Seriously, I'm going to look at all of my posts from yesterday. Out of 20 of them, maybe three or four were productive or serious. Let me isolate them:
I wouldn't even consider this one highly serious, but it was honest and it turns out this is one of my more controversial posts. People think this is scummy, but I'm just calling what I think of my predecessor.pablito wrote:But most of all I really don't like Sherlock's posts. But I'm not going to vote him. Seriously Sherlock looked the scummiest to me on the re-read. Tried to make mountains out of molehills.
Then it takes a long while before I actually do anything worthwhile again.
pablito wrote:vote: Tamuz
I'm not going to bother with the whole c_d mishap there. honest mistake, and I don't see any of the reactions to the discussion as being necessarily scummy.
Here I voted and I tried to subtly not comment while commenting on c_d's definition of OMGUS.pablito wrote:what you call Twito's finding. that c_d decided to comment on what OMGUS is even though it was already explained. showing that c_d failed to notice what others said before he bothered to post the definition of OMGUS. Damn, you made me comment on it.
Then I stupidly voted DeadRik for "voting" c_d even though he never had.
Then the last post of any worth was
Here I discuss why I bothered to comment on Sherlock.pablito wrote: ah, gotcha, KC. valid point. I tend to not value those types of replacement tells.
Oh yes, I really think that Sherlock was acting scummy and I do not agree with his moves. What purpose does it serve me to mention it now?
To show that I'm taking the game in a different light. And that I choose to do what I want independent of the guy I replaced.
Whether it started an argument or not, oh well. But I think that replacements ought to make some mention and show their stance on the guy they replaced. I think that replacing into a game without discussing pertinent events is not always helping the town. The biggest benefit a replacement can give is to give a new point of view on some mundance points that might have been passed over long ago.
However, in this game, there wasn't exactly anything that was truly huge when I came in, so yeah, whatever.
Then my final posts were to dice roll and I ended up on ubertimmy and that was it.
There was nothing that was of importance yesterday that happened up until the time that ubertimmy was wagonned.
Jack, why do you suddenly seem so surprised that I'm saying that I wasn't entirely serious? I thought part of your argument on me would've been that I was randomly bandwagonning everyone on D1. If you bothered to look at my insistence on commenting on Sherlock, you would've found easily that yesterday I was vote-hopping a lot.FOS: Jackfor being so narrow-minded in his argument on me that he wouldn't pick up how obviously lackadaisically I was voting yesterday.
Also, Masterchief, explain your argument on anything. You seem to be randomly commenting on everything for the sake of posting, not for the sake of actually trying to communicate something. Your "what?" and "yeah, I think there's tension surrounding mole and pablito" is so noncommital and unproductive.Sup, later.-
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DeadRik, a VERY good question.
Honestly, I haven't any big strong tells and I have a feeling that these replacements are just distracting me from trying to find anything worthwhile.
On the basis of gut, neongrey for trying to sneak her vote onto ubertimmy at the last moment possible and also molestargazer for trying to chastise me on the random vote yesterday.
I will look everything over though.Sup, later.-
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So who wants to bash TCS for using that phrase - since you know, you guys made a fuss about it before?
Also I'll bother to defend KC. The original time when C_D and KC got into it, there was relatively no pertinent discussions happening. They both got into something, but at least it was something - which is more than I or the rest of us can say. And this healthy discussion, even "makes mountains out of molehills" is accurate, is pressuring people into talking about something rather than nothing.
Therefore, no matter KC's alignment, she's at least helping the town by bothering to talk about something especially when there is no true worthwhile discussion happening otherwise.Sup, later.-
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Honestly, I'm not really voting Masterchief because I find him completely scummy yet. But I find his lack of motivation to find something to comment on...as...lacklustre and annoying. And that can be found scummy. My vote is more of a pressure to make him to say something worthwhile so that he's forced to play this game.
I mean seriously, when you have two votes placed on you and you STILL bother to not even say anything worthwhile about the fact that you're getting votes, then I have to worry about how much you're going to help the town.Sup, later.-
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Well Masterchief surely isn't gaining pro-towniness posts. But he clearly fails to see that scum don't need to actively do anything to be scummy. Sometimes good scum get away by actively not doing anything at the most opportune times. And right now, MC, you sure are looking scummy by the way you keep avoiding the pertinent points around you and regarding you.
Yes you have done something to get suspicion on you - and that is "saying essentially nothing in all posts". You fail to see that what's scummy is the act of "actually not contributing anything yet".Masterchief wrote:I don't believe this. I haven't doen anything to get suspision on me, yet you all still think I'm scummy by not contributing anything YET.Sup, later.-
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The hell? my patience wears thin. I think you're missing the point that you're clearly not contributing and that itself is an action. I was attacking your logic of "I haven't doneMasterchief wrote: I think your missing the point. Mafia DO contribute so that the "if he doesn't post good, he's mafia" thing can be avoided. Think about it.anythingtherefore how can I be seen as scummy?" because I was trying to explain how by merely existing in this game you have acted and therefore can look scummy.
And seriously, good cannot modify a verb. I still have no idea what you said.Sup, later.-
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No. TCS wanted to lynch someone who didn't talk much. I ran with that because masterchief bothered to say nothing with so many words.molestargazer wrote:Ah, right. I believe it was because Pablito used slightly different reasons for the vote than me, which I disagree with.
He was lynching an inactive - I was lynching someone who's posts contained absolutely no useful content whatsoever. You could argue that they're similar, but that's why.
TCS wrote: That's a fair point. And this last time, she voted for me purely because I was someone to vote for, and for no other reason. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, and we should be lynching the people who are talking the least?
Also see my earlier post:pablito wrote:good idea. unvote, vote: Masterchief
Also,pablito wrote:Would it be harmful for me to say that half of the reason I started the wagon is to incite pressure on MC who I believe to be pro-town and the other half of the reason was to see who would join and how others would react?vote: Kelly Chenbecause I wanna see her reaction.Sup, later.-
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Well it is your action because you're allowed to choose to be lazy or you're allowed to choose to not be lazy. You obviously chose to be lazy and I respect that choice, and in fact, I'm currently thinking you're more pro-town than ever because of it. But my whole argument has been that you have chosen something. We keep arguing about our perceptions of words, but I think our perceptions of alignment have stayed stable lately. So I hope this argument can be dropped soon.Sup, later.-
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Well jumping wagons is something that always appears scummy, and you just value it too much as a scum tell. I usually don't, but that's also because it's something I have done in the past. As for reinterpreting my MC witch statement, you choose to believe that my level of certainty on MC is scummy. I think that's what you're saying at least. And that's valid, but that post was also jokey and should not have been taken out of context of the joke. At least I don't think so.chaotic_diablo wrote:
Pablito has been jumping wagons for quite a while now, so that fact should only reinforce the case against him, not provide an alibi. The way that Pablito tries to twist basic logic so that he can continue to do something scummy in front of our noses just means he's trying to give himself an advantage over everyone else.pab in 261 wrote: Again, has it not been clear that I've been jumping wagons? And why is this suddenly big news
Translation: my vote is justified because MC is surely scum.pab in 289 wrote: So witches float then? That must mean they're full of hot air. *ba dum*
Therefore, I think I'm justified in voting Masterchief then because surely he would float to the surface.
Translation: OMG! The MC bandwagon is going downhill so I need to hop off it fast!pab in 291 wrote: Would it be harmful for me to say that half of the reason I started the wagon is to incite pressure on MC who I believe to be pro-town and the other half of the reason was to see who would join and how others would react?
That is a clear 180 degree turn on his stance.
However, I think you're very wrong on the "180 post" in which I jumped off the MC wagon. I think I laid out evidence that my vote on the MC wagon was not always because I thought MC was scummy.
TCS in 267 wrote: That's a fair point. And this last time, she voted for me purely because I was someone to vote for, and for no other reason. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, and we should be lynching the people who are talking the least?
I voted MC to follow TCS' suggestion. Because I took MC as being someone who said a lot of fluff for no reason at all. In some ways, I was reinterpreting "talking the least" as being the least contributive rather than what TCS may have intended as "lurker". Hm.pab in 268 wrote:good idea. unvote, vote: Masterchief
I think this post, which was the first one after my MC vote, explains that I was not completely voting MC because I absolutely wanted to lynch him. I used it as a pressure vote. I explained why MC could be found scummy, but at this time I did not say MC was scummy.pab in 274 wrote:Honestly,I'm not really voting Masterchief because I find him completely scummy yet.But I find his lack of motivation to find something to comment on...as...lacklustre and annoying. And that can be found scummy. My vote is more of a pressure to make him to say something worthwhile so that he's forced to play this game.
I mean seriously, when you have two votes placed on you and you STILL bother to not even say anything worthwhile about the fact that you're getting votes, then I have to worry about how much you're going to help the town.
Okay, now this post can be completely taken out of context easily. The way I word things makes me look scummy. However, I don't think in this above post I am presenting that I am sure that MC is scum. In the last line I do bother to say that MC has done something scummy, however.pab in 280 wrote:Well Masterchief surely isn't gaining pro-towniness posts. But he clearly fails to see that scum don't need to actively do anything to be scummy. Sometimes good scum get away by actively not doing anything at the most opportune times. And right now, MC, you sure are looking scummy by the way you keep avoiding the pertinent points around you and regarding you.MC wrote: I don't believe this. I haven't doen anything to get suspision on me, yet you all still think I'm scummy by not contributing anything YET.
Yes you have done something to get suspicion on you - and that is "saying essentially nothing in all posts". You fail to see that what's scummy is the act of "actually not contributing anything yet".
So I thought I was clear when I started the MC wagon that I really didn't necessarily think that MC was scum. And I thought it was clear throughout that I didn't really attribute much "scuminess" to MC. That in itself looks scummy on my part. However, I did admit that I started the wagon to see who would jump on and for what reasons. And it did finally get a discussion started - which is something I had been secretly clamoring for a while.
I vote to pressure people, when I see their reactions I get a better read on them. I brought MC into the fray by starting a wagon on him and he began to actually contribute instead of saying nothing with many words. After that, we finally have a better read on him. I unvoted because I saw that MC was fairly consistent in his stance and wasn't just BSing.Sup, later.-
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Well I kinda did a re-read. Interestingly, Twito was kinda pushing hard for an ubertimmy lynch before anyone got on board. However, there really was no evidence to push for. So - it's still not a tell. And considering at that point, there was very little ubertimmy was giving us, it's even more of an anti-town tell. However, the way that Twito keeps on mentioning his position on the ubertimmy lynch makes me think it's more luck than anything else. Twito may say it's skill that got him on the ubertimmy lynch, but I think it's just luck. If Twito could manage to explain any reason why he was on ubertimmy that early, I'd give him props for it. Otherwise, I see Twito as being reasonably pro-town, but his actions...not necessarily.
So before I finish my read, I'm going to put my three suspects: molestargazer, Kelly Chen and Save the Dragons/Twomz.
Kelly Chen, first, since that's where my vote lies.
Mostly it was gut that got me, plus there was a lot of interesting things she decided to not address. But now I can find crap to back it up. Oh and by the way, my KC and StD are based on gut feelings, and everything that I'm posting now is just crap I'm throwing together to make me look better.
Shortly thereafter 121-123, c_d and KC get into a heavy discussion over pretty much nothing, but nonetheless, I see it as KC instigating it.118 wrote:I get that pablito is being silly, but his joke about Sherlock's posts doesn't make much sense to me. Also, metagaming, bailing on a game when scum strikes me as something Sherlock would do. I need to look for some evidence for that, but if I do, god help you pablito.
I think bird, Twito, and Tamuz are ok. Not actually sure on MSG. I would like to ask Twito for his other thoughts on the game. At the moment I don't think he should be followed on ubertimmy.
At this point in the game, while voting C_D was very justified, in retrospect, I'm not getting it. I actually find c_d to be pro-town, and seeing KC and StD attack c_d early upon their replacing, I feel less confident about their alignment. oh, and coincidentally all three of my suspects voted c_d at that point right after another. I doubt all three are scum together, but I find them to be my best suspects.
Oh and another instance where KC instigated a fight with C_D was over the whole OMGUS definition statement. Very useless. But also a bit hypocritical. Twito's argument on it was that c_d was trying to find something to say about nothing, but KC discussing and taking the whole argument to a different level was doing the same thing.
KC knows how to ask the right questions, but I feel she's doing it without a healthy pro-town curiosity. And bah, the whole argument between C_D and KC at that point after the OMGUS definition was very annoying to read.
The best thing KC has going for her is that she actually participates and gets people to think about their actions, which is something scum can do as well, but also KC did help kick off the timmy wagon, but by that point, Dead Rikimaru made a good post to start the timmy wagon phase 2. I still find it humorous that ubertimmy was lynched within 2 hrs since my vote just happened to fall there and all other previous votes were there for ages.
But I've never remembered KC to be the human-interest reporter on the local news channel. She's been asking way too many questions in this game, and I don't remember that. It's really what caught my interest before.
When I voted KC, I wanted to see her reaction, but I was more interested in other people's reactions and I wanted to see how KC might react to other people itching to vote her. Well TCS kinda hinted that he might vote KC, and then KC didn't really comment on TCS' scumminess, considering how she attacked him before. I also noticed that she seemed to be less inquisitive after that point. Something changed, and that's alarming and thus I keep my vote because something smells wrong.
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Very bad post in retrospect.218 wrote:Whoops!
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pablito, I think that that vote (which is almost random) doesn't seem helpful in this stage of the game. Surely we need to find who's the scummiest and get this day over with before the deadline, not pick off those who have been voted on before, randomly with a dice roll.
bah, the classic first post of the day mentioning the no-kill. I've been trained by the wiki to value this more as a scum tell than doctor, however, we've just recently all discovered the madbomber theme.228 wrote:*Yawn*
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Hey Jack! Mike said to give you a cheer, so... cheer.
Anyway, down to the matter at hand.
I find it odd that no-one has died, although I've never played any mafia variations before. Any ideas, anyone?
MSG on the MC wagon was just way too opportunistic. Extremely opportunistic especially the way MSG tried to stick with the MC wagon no matter what anyone thought. MSG's voting pattern and D2 actions were just too wacky to be pro-town.270 wrote:
Is there any particular reason for that other than you want to lynch an inactive? I don't think you're doing what's best to try and get us a good lynch.
FoS - Pablito
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MC wrote: I'm just waiting for something scummy to happen. So far, I see nothing wrong.
I personally think you've got plenty to go off right now, especially if you read back a page. There's even been things happening since you were here.
With that and also your completely useless posts - I've not seen a single one of value - I think I've found my vote.
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I don't really have a case. But I found Twomz to be somewhat suspect for not saying much. And StD doesn't really say much, and as we've learned in this game, not saying much is a common thing. However, if we're to take this whole mad-bomber multi-SK setup as what we're dealing with, I could find StD and also KC's behavior as SKish. And then StD pops out of nowhere and asks for TCS' suspect list. It's very interesting.
Next to go is StD, I kinda want TCS to go next because I'm curious to see what he has to say, but since I've got a gut feeling on StD, I should see his next, plus I know StD will likely pick TCS to go next afterward.Sup, later.-
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Hmm...honestly, I gotta give it to Twito here. While there was little to go on, he probably went on gut, and it was right. I still don't think that there was any clear-cut evidence that ubertimmy was scum, but I think everyone had reasonable justifications for why they wanted to add to the timmy wagon. I think Twito's justified in cheering himself on being right, but I don't think he can claim that he pushed the wagon into lynch. That accolade must go to Dead Rikimaru.
I feel even better about calling Twito pro-town now. But I'm seriously confused about my own convictions. Even though I have KC and StD on my top three list, they're voting for TCS who is currently my #4.Sup, later.-
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I don't like the velocity at which MSG has become a "compromise" candidate. More often than not, when 75% of the players (my guess at the moment) compromise on someone who shows up in most of the lists, it's heading toward lynching a scummy townsperson.
I don't foresee myself moving my vote to MSG unless I see more substantial new evidence that incriminates MSG or if it's one day to deadline.
I am known to jump off almost every single wagon, though. Just noting that I'm jumping off before I'm even on it.
I agree with no action until neongrey comes in. However, there's still A LOT to discuss without her input. And I think MC and neongrey are the only two to not post a list, right? So I agree with wanting to see MC's list.Sup, later.-
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Yes, if you want to think so, I am somewhat trying to save MSG. It's just that every single time I in previous games I've seen a large group of people jump on one suspect (and no one bothers to defend that one suspect), with one exception - being Nightcow in Lights Out 1 - it has ended up with a pro-town lynch.
I'm hedging my bets because I'm feeling uneasy. I'm feeling less enthused about MSG being lynched, but it's not like I'm actively trying to stop it or defend the arguments against MSG (unless you consider redirecting the lynch toward myself as possibly doing so).
That being said, I still enjoy my KC vote, but would actually like to see TCS as the "in" wagon.Sup, later.-
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I don't see conclusive evidence showing MC as scum. I think the "MC simply isn't helping the town" is more of the reason why people ar voting than people actually seeing MC as intentionally misdirecting the town. While scum can simply be a non-helper, I don't feel comfortable voting just for that.Sup, later.-
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Yes, you read me correctly.KC wrote:pablito, is that another trap that you're saying in advance is a trap?
I'm currently hypothesizing there's one scum left according to the bomber theory, unless there's an alternating or joint-placement bomb team. And my top choice for scum is still you, Kelly Chen. I have not bothered to think about any distancing or scum pairs or anything right now. Furthermore, if I were to look at scum pairs, it would be between ubertimmy and X, not between X and Y who are still alive.KC wrote:What do you think about the Kelly-TCS theory, pablito? Anything?
As for the Kelly-TCS theory...I could not fathom that pair. There is no distancing, because it's not a pair. I am finding the "compromise lynch" discussion very scummy though. Which kinda goes along with my waning desire to see MSG lynched. I'd also like to echo the sentiment of "where the hell did the MSG wagon go?" thought though.Sup, later.-
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