Mini 399 - Meets His Maker Mafia - GAME OVER!

[Yamahako]

Vote Shadowlurker

he hasn't posted in 12 posts!

[Yamahako]

unvote

,

vote Pernuins of the Serengeti

, you're obviously a scum with pooky

[Yamahako]

unvote, vote POTS

to conform to the new standard.

[Yamahako]

Bleh, if POTS lover even questions her alignment, I'm skeptical...

[Yamahako]

Just a note: Panzer and cdb have not posted today, which I find very very suspicious.

Maybe prods are in order.
I believe both have posted on other games I'm in with them. Atleast Panzer has.

I seriously hope you both are joking or mafia, otherwise we are going to be handicapped as town...

[Yamahako]

Just a note: Panzer and cdb have not posted today, which I find very very suspicious.

Maybe prods are in order.
I believe both have posted on other games I'm in with them. Atleast Panzer has.

I seriously hope you both are joking or mafia, otherwise we are going to be handicapped as town...

I'm pretty sure I don't understand your meaning with this post.

unvote, Vote Twito

perhaps you should pay attention more to the game then.

[Yamahako]

sorry if I came off like a jerk - but I mean... come on... read the mod posts :-/

[Yamahako]

idk about twito, but I was joking. My apologies.

I figured you were

[Yamahako]

Scum would want to geta quick lynch for someone that can't defend themself. So my vote has a good bias. Townies who aren't paying attention to the game are a liability for towns success, another good bias. The way I see it - it would be win/win.

[Yamahako]

A townie might forget something, and scum might forget something, but scums also "forget" things. Generally bad play, like not remembering when certain people can't post, shows an inattentiveness to the game - or an intentional desire to distract people. In either case its better to get rid of people like that. Because if you missed (or forgot) something as big as someone not being able to post, what if you missed (or forgot) a certain person playing the game and defending scum. If having 10+ games makes you not be able to play effectively in a game - perhaps you shouldn't have such a large number of them, as you certainly don't have as much value as someone paying more attnetion. And no, forgetting something when we are only 4 pages in on day 1 and paying attention to the game are largely the same thing. I might let something like that slide if we were 80 pages in, but its one of only 3 "truths" you could bank on at this stage. 2 people can't talk, your role, and pooky and pots having some kind of connection. I'd say forgetting 33% of the pertinant information at this point is not paying enough attention.

To recap - I don't necessarily think you're scum - just at this point you seem like someone I could just as much see getting rid of as keeping. Considering the chances of hitting scum on day 1 are slim anyway, I think you're a good bet. Inattentativeness is minor - but not much else has happened.

If you would like to think of that as "forced reasoning" that's fine.

[Yamahako]

Let's try that again EBWDP:

A townie might forget something, and scum might forget something, but scums also "forget" things. Generally bad play, like not remembering when certain people can't post, shows an inattentiveness to the game - or an intentional desire to distract people,

is more of a scum tell than a town tell

. In either case its better to get rid of people like that. If you missed (or forgot) something as big as someone not being able to post, you

could

miss (or forgot) a certain person playing the game and defending scum every time.

Having a townie like that could almost be as bad as a mafia member.

If having 10+ games makes you not be able to play effectively in a game - perhaps you shouldn't

play

such a large number of them, as you certainly don't have as much value as someone paying more

attention

. And no, forgetting something when we are only 4 pages in on day 1 and paying attention to the game are largely the same thing. I might let something like that slide if we were 80 pages in, but its one of only 3 "truths" you could bank on at this stage

:

2 people can't talk, your role, and pooky and pots having some kind of connection. I'd say forgetting 33% of the pertinant information at this point is not paying enough attention.

To recap - I don't necessarily think you're scum - just at this point you seem like someone I could just as much see getting rid of as keeping. Considering the chances of hitting scum on day 1 are slim anyway, I think you're a good bet. Inattentativeness is minor - but not much else has happened.

If you would like to think of that as "forced reasoning" that's fine.

[Yamahako]

Also I didn't vote on neither of them based on it I only asked for prods on them. So you are still blaming me on "forgeting" it?

Just a note: Panzer and cdb have not posted today, which I find very very suspicious.

Unvote
Vote: klebian

for confusing me

It's really early in the game still you don't need much of a reason to vote for someone yet

[Yamahako]

Vote Shadowlurker

Bad form :-/

[Yamahako]

Or we can just kill him :-/ It looks like the game is stalling - anyone else have any ideas?

[Yamahako]

Or we can just kill him :-/ It looks like the game is stalling - anyone else have any ideas?

Well all I know your idea of killing him without letting him defend himself or claim is very anti-town.

Letting a game stall out because no ones posting = everyone loses

[Yamahako]

Ok this game just got 200% stupider, I'll have something of content soon.

Unvote, Joke Vote ShadowLurker!

we'll have no content in this game!

but seriously

Unvote, Vote POTS

thar be scum afoot.

[Yamahako]

In case it wasn't obvious enough, I am a Mason.

What about wagoning klebian?

I hate day 1 mason claims :-/

[Yamahako]

So... its not really that you're a mason is it? I'm not certain this clears you at all.

I'd like to hear from pooky about this. No details, just some kind of confirmation.

[Yamahako]

Unvote, Vote Pooky

Just some pressure, I'd like to hear from him.

[Yamahako]

However

. I believe that POTS is pro-town. He seems to genuinely believe that he's confirmed (or confirmable or whatever); if he was scum, I don't believe he'd act this way since the possibility of scum-masons would be much more at the front of his brain. His playstyle is that of a semi-noob. He knows the basics, he doesn't do ridiculous stuff, but there are a lot of subtleties and assumptions he's not so much party to. This argument has a pinch of WIFOM - I'm trusting he's saying the truth because otherwise he wouldn't say it? - but that's my opinion. He's not confirmed, but neither is he the lynch of the day.

I think POTS is female, but I'm not too sure - penguins do look remarkably alike..

[Yamahako]

Does Pooky need a prod? he hasn't posted in nearly 72 hours.

[Yamahako]

Vote Pooky

Good posting!

[Yamahako]

So weren't we lynching klebian here?

Oh, alright.

vote: klebian

I do you a favor today, you do me a favor tomorrow and lynch Adele, K? If you could vig her, that would be cool, too. She sounds like a scum Mason.

you didn't unvote :-/

Hey pooky, if you don't want to respond to allegations about this harem you have, perhaps you want to make a post about the state of the game - who you feel is scummy, or - you know - some kind of analysis here?

[Yamahako]

Seriously, where's pooky? I'd like to hear his intention for tonight, but that would mean he'd need to survive until night - so

Unvote, Vote Klebian

Why are you feeding this discussion aiming it toward the people who are actually contributing? it seems counter productive - we should be focusing on people who seem to be deliberately hiding something and being deceptice - unless there's something you don't want us to know that Pooky does know...

[Yamahako]

Yamahako (if I understand him correctly) is objecting to the way you're "contributing"at the moment (harsh quote marks there, but I'm not fully satisfied); if you look further into Yama's post for context it becomes clearer

Why are you feeding this discussion aiming it toward the people who are actually contributing? it seems counter productive -

we should be focusing on people who seem to be deliberately hiding something and being deceptice

So: he feels you're trying to pull more info out of contributors (asking me questions when I've been very upfront about everything but would obviously not like to give too much info away to scum) rather than focusing on people who are acting scummy by undercontributing (he names Pooky, which I somewhat disagree with).

Yeah... that's what I meant mostly. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense, sometimes a good offense looks scummy.

That's what I get for posting when I'm tired

[Yamahako]

Yay, finally some analyzing!

It seems solid, its all circumstantial, but there's a definite pattern of nothingness to SL's posts - definitely someone trying to go under the radar. I agree with Pooky's assessment that if he "doesn't like the case against klebian" he should offer up another suggestion, or explain why he doesn't like it. In addition, he mentioned that he'd post something of content soon - and I think soon has past.

unvote, vote Shadowlurker

[Yamahako]

I think its 5 to lynch

[Yamahako]

It's 6 to lynch, so no.
Bah, I had made a post, but I got an error in posting earlier yesterday, and I was able to post later in the day...
I think that chamber needs to be replaced very soon. I agree that SL had posted very very lazily.

Agree about Chamber and SL - something sadly needs to happen to keep this moving I really wanna keep playing, but I am also getting sort of bored

[Yamahako]

There was virtually no case against klebian so what did you want me to point out Pooky? I do wonder about the fact that the immediate switchers were all on the klebian wagon as well. There's not much I can say about my inactivity other than I'm inactive. I don't really have an excuse other than me being busy, and I have neglected most of my games. The 7 votes is a big misrepresentation considering most of them were random or very early stage and I've generally stayed on Pooky, who still has done nothing but recently bring this case against me. You guys are going for an inactivity lynch here when judging by that person's post record, he isn't even just inactive in this game, but sitewide.

so the jist of your defense is that you've been slacking off in all your games?

[Yamahako]

impatient for progress.

QFT!

[Yamahako]

may be, but you could misconstrue blood alot easier than progress. Hammer to come after his next response, at the latest, unless satisfied. Lynch > No Lynch

You want to drag it out longer for a response that will likely mean nothing? I usually like giving people time to defend themselves, but I think over a week is long enough

[Yamahako]

I'm gonan vote Twito, but I don't want to let the day go on too shortly, short days are good bad for town.

[Yamahako]

guess people don't have much to say :-/

Do we need prods?

[Yamahako]

IH can post again.

I'm sending prods to everybody except Yamahako and klebian.

Yay!

[Yamahako]

I was away for the weekend.. I try to post atleast once a week.

To me Pooky looked nothing like a confirmed mason. Are you saying I'm suppoced to expect that all three Adele, Pooky and POTS are masons? To me Adele looked townish for bringing up the fact that even though they were masons they weren't confirmed innocents to eachother. POTS looked townish for reliying so much on his mason roleclaim. That left us Pooky who I though were the scum there. Being 3rd member of a mason group that are not confirmed innocents is a good advantage for scum. This was not the case. Too bad.

I'm not convinced :-/ I'll hammer in 48 hours unless there's a serious objection - there isn't a lot going on and I think Twito is the play - but I'm scared about how many people have been dying :-/ I hope everyone throws their two cents in about over the next two days (or anything else).

[Yamahako]

'sup homies, read most of everything.

Great! What do you think about stuff?

[Yamahako]

OK, I do not thinkTwito is scum. I think he's a vigilante who went straight with his gut.

Pooky, Adele, and POTS all confessed that they did not know the alignment of each other. If I were a vig and I thought that it was a plausible idea that one was scum, I would kill the one in the middle, the one who apparently controls the group by choosing who to visit in the night.

If I understood the roles like this, and I was a vigilante, I would have gone with my gut and killed Pooky.

I also beleive that IH is a tracker.

To me, that's 3 c onfirmed innocents. Everyone else, I see a good chance of hitting scum within. But I'm not sure who is scummiest. I need to look at individual players.

sounds more likely that you're trying too hard to see an innocent - Pooky wouldn't be a good choice - especially with the "argument" that went on. I agree with IH that he was double targeted perhaps. We NEEDED to hear from pooky today, so I think that Twito was guity.

Since there weren't any major objections,

Vote Twito

[Yamahako]

FOS: Penguins of the Serengeti

I was thinking about it durring the night.. If Pooky was with Adele and POTS, and none of them were confirmed to each other- and Adele AND Pooky died (though we know why Pooky died) I think POTS might be evil. I have role related reasons to believe this...

It would be great if we could hear from IH in case he saw anything.

[Yamahako]

Hey guys, glad to be back.

Vote:IH

you have a reason for this?

[Yamahako]

Yama, it didn't specify that one of them had to be scum, it was just that none of them knew the other masons' alignments. I don't see why you think she's scum based only on this.

Unless you're saying that she killed them?

no not at all, for me to explain more I'd have to claim - but I have reason to believe that people that can talk at night aren't cleared (as I found out this morning) for a reason.

For what its worth, I'm the reason atticus wasn't at home last night. It doesn't clear him, but I have no reason to think he's scum.

[Yamahako]

Are you suggesting that I would kill my mason buddies? Who'd kill their mason buddies, no matter if they are scum or town? Explain better please.

I'm not suggesting you'd kill your mason buddies, I just have a role related reason to believe that "masons" in this game are not made up of purely similarly aligned parties.

[Yamahako]

I'm solidifying some notes, I should have something of content to post tonight.

[Yamahako]

Bah I lost so much work in so many games

Vote POTS

I don't feel like typing it all up again, but I think she's lying that the word "Mason" was in her PM and the only reason she would be lying is if she's evil.

[Yamahako]

I'm a hider that can talk with the person I hide with at night - but I started out only able to hide and speak with Chamber

That's the less complicated version

[Yamahako]

Yama, who asked you to claim? Why are you revealing this information? Did you ever make that significant post you promised? I reckon it might have vanished, do you remember? What's the significance of your having conversations with Chamber/jalyn?

Originally no one, this time Klebian. Because I revealed it before the crash. Yes, before the crashed. Yes I remember that it vanished since I wrote it before the crash. As it turned out - nothing, as you can see below.

I'll try and recreate what all stuff I posted before - hopefully it will make more sense this time around - if someone remembers something that I may have left out, just ask and I'll say it again - but I'm pretty sure this is everything.


Brief recap of night actions:
Night 1, chose not to go to my hiding spot, chamber didn't talk to me at all
night 2, was told that chamber no longer was my partner and I had to pick a new one - I chose a name from the list of names (not a players name) and ended up with DragynMage (

for atticus' sake I will not say the role name unless he says its ok and someone feels that its important to prove my claim

) who also didn't talk to me - I was not allowed to hide that night as I was searching for a partner in phase 1.
night 3, Atticus replaced DragynMage, and I hid with him last night. there was some confusion between me and the mod as to when and wether I could talk last night - so not much happened.
Day 4: Found out Chamber/Jayln died and was evil.

Sadly, I haven't gotten anything out of anybody from being able to talk at night due to lurking If I can talk to atticus tonight, hopefully something will happen - but like I said I can't confirm the alignment of atticus one way or the other.

From this information I concluded:

I'm a hider but it doesn't call me a hider, I was also a "mason" with Chamber <and I guess now atticus, but I'm not 100% sure about that> (though uncertain of his alignment) however I wasn't named a mason. Pooky and Adele didn't claim their role said Mason either (and I think Adele said the opposite actually). Both of these people ended up being town - so this is my thought process:

If my PM didn't say Mason or Hider, the mod didn't use those terms for anyone. So POTS claim of "Mason" is a lie and thus lynch all liars.

-or-

If POTS pm

did

say mason, it was because she was sure of her buddies alignment, since theirs

didn't

, they weren't sure of hers. That would lead me to believe that POTS is evil (since I wasn't sure of my partners alignment and she <delta roberts> was evil) since we know that Adele and Pooky were town.

I will gladly explain any of that if its confusing.

[Yamahako]

@ IH

Who did you watch last night, what happened?

He already said :-/

[Yamahako]

I lost a few posts from the down time...

Yamahako, so the hiding about your role is you can hide with someone to talk to them?

I think I can only hide with one person, but when I'm hiding we can talk and we are protected.

[Yamahako]

but night 1 you said you chose not to hide, and chamber didn't talk to you at all

that makes it seem like you could talk regardless of whether you hid

I believe that I can talk regardless of whether or not I hide - that's why I think I can only pick one person to hide -

Chamber didn't talk to me, but I sent messages to him - I just didn't get any responses.

When I picked the role name that ended up being DragynMage (night 2) I was allowed to talk that night as well (but not hide) however I also did not get a response from him either.

Last night I chose to hide with Atticus (who replaced DragynMage) I was only allowed to hide with him from what I understand - I was confused as to whether or not we could talk at night - but apparently we can.

I'll be honest, I don't exactly know what will happen tonight - but unless something weird happens, I expect to be able to hide again with Atticus tonight and talk. This should be easily enough verifiable.

[Yamahako]

Why pick the same person twice? There will be more information for the town if you pick someone else.

I think when I picked night 2 I got stuck with my choice, I'm not 100% sure yet though - like I said its kind of confusing.

[Yamahako]

There are two idiots voting for me now. Namely, Yama and Panzer.

Who is alive now, not counting myself:

Atticus replaces draygn_mage
IH
Panzerjager (an idiot)
Yamahako (another idiot)
klebian

Since only 4 are needed to lynch, and for the scum to win, I would have been lynched a long time ago if klebian and IH were scum. Or at very least, at lynch -1.

I know I am town, and I know that IH and klebian are probably townies. Atticus also strikes me as earnest.

vote: Yamahako

- pretty sure he's scum.

The more likely scenario is that you're scum, and your buddies haven't jumped on your wagon, n'est pas?

[Yamahako]

See, this is how I interpreted his role.

He can go into hiding if he wants to each night with his mason partner. I'm guessing that when he died, he got to pick a new one, which would help make sense as to why he didn't pick a different person.

See, if he could have picked someone else, he proably would have, but I don't think he can until I die?

Well, I was told to pick a new partner before chamber died :-/ but I thought it was because I chose not to hide with him night one (but that's just speculation - it may have something to do with that person being evil). On night 2 is when I picked DragynMage (through his role name) but I wasn't allowed to hide that night, last night was the first time I've hidden.

To be more specific - I have a hiding place I can bring my partner to. I don't go hide at their house. If I end up having to choose a new partner tonight of course I'll be able to verify myself through them.

I do find it interesting that POTS is trying to single me out to be lynched seeing as though I'm potentially

un-night-killable

. I bet the mafia would really like to see that happen... especially when I have a confirmable roll. I wouldn't want to lead IH in his investigations but he could simply look for me tonight and I would be not at home (assuming something strange doesn't happen with chosing a partner again tonight).

Even if I do pick someone else tonight - I can't be sure of who it will be, because last time, I did it by role name, not player name. I certainly wouldn't have *chosen* DragynMage seeing as how he lurked all of day one :-/ (no offense to atticus, who seems to be posting just fine).

[Yamahako]

crap you're right.
Then why did I get that impression that he only repicks when other partner dies...??
OK yeah I see your point... but I still don't think he's chosen atticus twice.

I"d like a mod votecount first though.

I never chose atticus specifically- I picked a role name from the list on night two after the mod told me that my wife left me and I could pick a name - which ended up being the role belonging to DragynMage who was replaced.

Last night I was told stage 1 that I could hide with the person I picked from night 2 (the mod didn't explicitly say that I could talk last night which was clarified at the beginning of this day).

I can't be 100% sure that I can hide with atticus tonight, but I think I can.

however:

Look it's simple process of elimination, the scum is Yama or POTS. Thats really all there is to say. Lynch pots then we'll look in yama tomorrow.

Wow, my thinking that pots is scum is pretty circumstantial (though there was scummy behavior day one) and speculative - but just... wow.

First of all, there could be 2 scum left, or a scum and an SK. You say

the

scum as if there definitely only one left - as if you know the number of scum in this game. Next you're basically calling out the next two lynches - like you already know Pots would come up innocent and then you'd "know I was scum"

Unvote

my vote's probably going on you Panzer after the vote count

[Yamahako]

Reporter. I tried to get Pooky lynched because I thought he was scum but he was nightkilled the same night I sent in the headlines.

I'll respect POTS and give you another 24 hours, but this doesn't make any sense to me, Pooky was killed before you even got out of the hospital...

I've never heard of the reporter role either though - so that might be some of the confusion

[Yamahako]

Because last nights death was by strangulation.

So if a gunsmith had checked me out and said I didn't have a gun, then I was guilty? I think very few people would have guns, well does that mean if I had a gun I would be innocent?

I think there's something scummy going on here - I can see mafia having a reason to want to publish stuff at the beginning of the day without any recourse to who said it more so than town - so I find this claim to be oh so convenient. A Townie wouldn't need to post it at the beginning of the day, they would just say it during the day when it provided the best help for town.

I think you've put up too many 'one or the other' scenarios - which in my experience is a huge scum tell. I'm going to wait for IH to come back to report since he's the only one that's pretty much clear in this game, and he said there might be something correlating you two - but I'm pretty much going to vote you unless he gives a good reason not too.

[Yamahako]

Well, all I know is that in my role I have phone numbers to call, and the newspaper is one of them, along with the doc and the morgue.

Do you think Panzer is confirmable then? That's very interesting...

[Yamahako]

I lived in the town since I was a small boy and know about a cave on the outskirts of town from when I used to go exploring. My wfie had been getting more and more distant lately. Was basically my starting flavor

My wife left me night two, and I needed a friend to talk to, and was told to pick from the people I knew in the town.

[Yamahako]

If we have everyone's role at this point, we can probably crack this game open, as to that, I'm unsure as to whether or not I want him to claim or not.

...
ok
I'm ready to claim if/when we decide I should.

thought up a good enough fake claim now?

[Yamahako]

ok
I'm ready to claim if/when we decide I should.

Please don't wait until my kids put me in the old age home.

LOL!

[Yamahako]

Vote: Quagmire

for the hell of it.

How does that help us at all Panzer?

I'm still not thinking you're a townie :-/ But I'll wait for the replacement to claim.

[Yamahako]

It's very farfetched, it's mostly the flavor I don't like.

His role sounds more believable than you being a townie at this point. The Media is always corrupt.

[Yamahako]

If it wasn't obvious with the having a "wife" thing, I'm male

[Yamahako]

Yes, my wife was Chamber actually (until he was replaced)

[Yamahako]

How about IH? What sort of equipment do YOU keep in your game pants? Male or Female?

So what was the reason behind these questions now that everyone has answered?

[Yamahako]

I'm more suspect of Panzer, POTS, but its really not role related - I think you caught someone in a lie.

Vote InHim

[Yamahako]

Bleh I didn't mean to hammer, but I stand by it :-/

[Yamahako]

No offense Quag but I was so confused in this game I didn't even have a win condition - I wasn't even sure I was mafia LOL

But it was super fun!

[Yamahako]

Hello, Alberto Roberti. You’re the big, bad don of this town with your smooth, suave Italian look, and your hair just as slick as your face. Your Steven Seagal-like manner places you as the head mafia don in these parts, and your “wife”, Delta Robers (XXXXXX), who you married simply to help cover yourself as a normal suburban person. Because of this image you need to project, you are going to go by leaps and bounds to save the marriage. Some notable things about you:

-You cannot get killed, blocked, or investigated at all at night.
-At any night, you can choose to bring Delta with you to your secret hideout (the place you go to in night two that nobody knows) instead of make a kill. If you do that, you don’t get to make a kill that night, but you’re insured that nothing will happen to you and Delta.
-If you make a kill during the night, you may NOT talk with Delta during the night about who to kill. You, and you alone do the killing.
-Pierre Macilve, your old mafia partner, has escaped somewhere in the town to a life of solitude. If you find him in some way or another, you may choose to bring him back into your mafia group.
-If you decide to kill, you must kill during Stage 1 of night.
-Rule #5 in the New Rules section doesn’t apply to you. If you are killing someone, you must give me a NAME.

PM to confirm.

I found my partner - Atticus/Dragyn Mage - but that meant I had to kill, or disassociate with my wife - I chose to disassociate with her - and she died that night anyway.

[Yamahako]

Must have been because I didnt know about any of the others - I didn't even know Chamber was mafia

[Yamahako]

I really wanna see what the rest of the set-up was..

[Yamahako]

I think that the idea of the set-up was AWESOME, with the second guessing and suspicion - but mafia was able to use that well to its advantage.

Were there TWO scum groups? Me not knowing about the other group, I think, made it too easy for me to act completely pro-town and track down scummy play. Also, given the fact that my first two "partners" were replaced for lurking, I think it was a bit too much like I was an SK.