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I agree with milkman in a way. Your vote can't be randomandbe based on a suspicion at the same time, and in that sense I think you worded your post badly. But however I wouldn't call the 'suspicion' anything real to go on and I think that was evident with the 'for randomness' sake' comment afterward.#greenshirtthursdays-
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Now this confuses me. How does 'forgetting' how to play the game constitute a vote based off another game?AngusHutchsky wrote:Well as far as this game is concerned it is random, because it is not based on anything in this game. It is based off of experiences in other games. So you see how it is kind of random and not random?#greenshirtthursdays-
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And you let them get away with that feeble excuse?AngusHutchsky wrote:milkman wrote:Plus, in the games I have played on other sites (this is my first on MafiaScum) the Mafia convieniently(sp?) forget how exactly the game goes so they can lurk without being suspicious.
Seriously, did dragyn_mage sound serious to you? His exact words were 'let's see if I can remember', not 'I have forgotten', and I think they were fairly obviously a joke.#greenshirtthursdays-
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Fair enough. I didn't check the unvoting rules as I always unvote by force of habit.Y wrote:
Usually I do unvote, but this one seemed better without the unvote part...al_kohaulec wrote:Rules
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Because it's not about where you've played mafia before. It's the same game you've played before. Why, just because you are playing it somewhere different, is it more difficult for you? It's not stopping you from understanding that you can't random vote with a reason, etc.AngusHutchsky wrote:1) I am new on the site, how is that acting dumb?#greenshirtthursdays-
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I can understand that this would be a logical deduction to make from post #44.Zindaras wrote:If Angus is scum, then CDB is prolly his scumbuddy.
I understand and partially agree with the Angus case at the moment (in particular Y's post #61 is well put), although the reason I'm not voting for him now is that he reminds me very much of me as newbie-townie. I do think that it's worth my while tounvote milkman, though, as I can't blame him for making the case he has.
I would like to hear from those who haven't posted in the last page or so.#greenshirtthursdays-
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:goodposting:Jack wrote:
You sounded like you were trying to confirm vote twito and then lurk the rest of the day.StallingChamp wrote:First of all, I am not positive that he is scum. I am about 80% sure, and that tends to be as high as you will ever see Day 1.
Secondly, I play alot by gut.
Thirdly, what do you mean by drop out?
I don't see how you can be 80% sure.
I don't agree with StallingChamp's assessment of Twito's first post. Having read a few games with Twito in I think I can safely say that's standard of him and I don't see the accusation of massive lurking that you think is there.
As Jack says above, you sound like you're trying to get away with saying "why isn't everyone voting Twito?" all day without adding content.
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I agree with Zindaras' argument wholeheartedly, but I'm torn at the moment as to whether Jack's defense is scummy or idiotic. I find it difficult to believe that Jack can't understand the irregularity that has been pointed out (it seems blindingly obvious to me), so I see it as three possible things: Jack is scum and is desperately trying to cover his slip by being very literal in his defense; Jack is town and genuinely does not understand the accusation; Jack is town and doesn't want to be caught admitting he has made a mistake, for fear of the town interpreting it as scum giving up, and so defends his point beyond the realms of credibility.
I really can't make up my mind at the moment, so I'llFoS: Jackand keep my vote on StallingChamp for now.#greenshirtthursdays-
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Mod:to elaborate on Y's request, I'd like to request prods for:
Coron
AngusHutchsky
milkman
And Masterchief is actually in this game? I had completely forgotten, such is the fact that that was his second post. The timing, as pointed out by Y, is very very suspicious. (Ironically, I appreciate that you won't like me doing this, Y, because it's 'content already seen from other players', but I'm not going to ignore something scummy because someone has already pointed it out, and I'm not going to make up a reason for my vote that isn't genuine.)unvote, vote: Masterchiefmaintaining aStrong FoS: StallingChamp, Weaker FoS: Jack#greenshirtthursdays-
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This sounds like backtracking to me.Y wrote:@ Twito: Can you tell me exactly what is scummy about me (This goes for all the people voting me)?
I'm sure I'm not the only one that wants D1 to end. But, I didn't say you should all just vote some one for the sake of ending D1. I said that I want it to end and confirmed a vote I already had with a good reason.
I've seen days ending with the "Lets just kill somebody" reason and it's not what I was saying.FoS: Y
I want to hear from StallingChamp and Coron and I want content from Masterchief and HurriKaty.
Right now, I would be prepared to lynch Masterchief, HurriKaty or StallingChamp. Coron less likely, but I think I'd prefer replacement.#greenshirtthursdays-
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I agree that HurriKaty's response to your pressure has been OMGUS, but I do sympathise with her feelings that if she stated her opinions she would be accused of echoing. I have felt the same during this game, although I did in fact post that I wished to echo others' opinions. Katy should at least have done this.Zindaras wrote:OMGUS, too. I am dead set on lynching you because I feel that you are the best bet for scum. You're still avoiding giving any opinion (except, funnily, this one. The funny part is that you said that you didn't want to give opinions because you'd just be echoing others, but now you're voting me, which is hardly echoing anyone else, as you stated you would be doing if you stated your opinions) or even a good reason for your vote.
Not sure where I stand over the issue, frankly. With the deadline soon I might end up voting Katy, but I'd rather we lynched Masterchief.#greenshirtthursdays-
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That's all you're saying?AngusHutchsky wrote:unvote, vote MCFoS: AngusHutchskyThat looks very much like a scumbuddy trying to throw MC under a bus. Tell uswhyyou're voting for MC, even if it's pointing out another person's reasons.
Also, I'd like to hear from you on the other subjects of discussion recently.#greenshirtthursdays-
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But you haven't just made your first real post for two weeks. That's the first thing Angus has posted in that time (except for 'I'm reading') and that makes it alarming.Jack wrote:Weird post, I'm pretty sure his reason is Deadline--let's lynch a lurker same as mine which you don't seem to comment on. He says he has a confirmable role, we'll find out tomorrow.
You at least state with your vote that you also want to hear AniX's thoughts. I read this post as you asking for both Masterchief and AniX to comment, therefore explaining your vote as a lurker vote. Have I read that wrong?#greenshirtthursdays-
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It's not as if it was looking like we might not be lynching Masterchief. He was 3 votes clear...why did you need to vote for him? If you think Y is more likely scum, that's the better place to put your vote.
You've got to tell us the reasons for your votewhen you make your vote. Now it just looks like you're parroting the reason that Jack supplied for you.
I should point out that I still think Masterchief is more likely scum than Angus, but that's a point against Angus.#greenshirtthursdays-
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If I had a cup of coffee in my hand right now I'd be spitting it over the screen.AngusHutchsky wrote:
There could be more to it than I was told - in fact, I may have accidentally blocked the kill last night by not sending in a picture.ChannelDelibird wrote:...and it's also worth mentioning that I don't believe anyone would be given a role whose sole purpose is to confirm their innocence. There's gotta be more to it (which wouldn't make sense given the nature of the claimed role).
Accidentally blocked the kill?
That's both reaching and said from the perspective of a mafiate.
Alright, it's not huge, but that reads absolutely terribly.#greenshirtthursdays-
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@ Jack - I disagree with your anti-Zindaras feeling. He seems pretty town to me in general and the defense of Angus that you've taken offense to is sensible. I do have to admit that there is aslightnagging feeling in the back of my mind that we shouldn't be so hasty in lynching Angus, and Zindy's caution is valid.
In fact, I'm going tounvote. I'm not comfortable with Angus at -1 right now, although given some more time I might go back.#greenshirtthursdays-
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And if he is telling the truth about his role, then there's no way he's going to forget twice.HurriKaty wrote:
Might as well waiting until tomorrow is giving him another chance to forget, and personally, I dont feel chances should be given out like candy.Zindaras wrote:Because we might as well wait until tomorrow. Angus should presend his role or not forget to send his role in and then it's all fixed again.#greenshirtthursdays-
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WARNING: This post is quite long.
Post by Post Analysis: Jack(spontaneous decision)
Post 14: votes dragyn_mage for saying he didn't remember how to play the game. Which isn't what he said.
Post 26: votes milkman for not counting correctly and says "you seem to be making a serious accusation when there isn't much to go on". Looking back, I don't think it's as big a deal as Jack makes out.
Post 34: Atones for 26.
Post 69: You expect him to say that he's NOT pro-town? WTF?
Post 79: Translation: IF YOU DON'T CLAIM A POWER ROLE YOU WILL DIE!
Post 94: I don't really have a problem with this.
Post 99: "I don't see what was dangerous about my lynch-2 vote". Naive, but I don't have a problem with lynch-2.
Post 110: not important.
Post 112: Votes StallingChamp for his ridiculous Twito crusade. Entirely valid.
Post 114: Equally valid.
Post 125: Votes Coron for lurking despite StallingChamp being a very appropriate place for his vote. I don't get it.
Post 128: So now you're sure that Angus is innocent?
Post 130: "I can only vote for one person!!!!! ...who were the other lurkers?" Asks why voting for lurkers when the game is dying down is scummy. Answer: because prods are better and StallingChamp is scummy.
Post 132: Overreacts to Zindaras.
Post 136: "you can't notice any irregularities if people don't post". So you get them prodded/replaced. Just because people aren't posting doesn't mean that if they were, they'd be scummy.
Post 137: See above.
Post 138: "Just because townies do it doesn't mean scum don't." That's not an argument. We look for scummy things, not things that could be just as townish, if not more, as they are scummy.
Post 140: And if you do single someone out, you're ignoring someone potentially just as scummy.
Post 142: "Why is it scummy that I haven't unvoted Coron?" Because you feel he's more likely scum than StallingChamp, for example - you are voting for someone whomightpost something scummy ahead of someone who has. It's also that you're singling him out.
Post 144: to Zindaras - "and you have done what?" Pointed out your irregularities.
Post 146: Is wrong.
Post 148: It's not about whether you feel it's irregularfor you, it's an irregular action. There were multiple people not posting. You only mentioned Coron. That is irregular, because some are pressured and some are left doing what they were before.
Post 150: "I haven't treated the similar cases at all...yet." Exactly!
"Why is that scummy?" Because you could be trying to protect a lurking scumbuddy by singling out another lurker, or attacking a townie you felt was dangerous.
Post 152: I don't agree with your wording here, particularly as you say lurking makes it less likely to get "correct cop investigations". WTF? You can investigate somone just as competently if they are not posting as if they are.
Post 155: Again reiterates his rubbish defense against his irregularity and tries to get Zindaras lynched for it.
Post 159: Tries to liken his singling out of Coron for lurking to Zindaras' singling out of Jack as scummiest player by voting for him, which is completely different.
Post 160: Goes back to voting Coron, essentially for lurking again.
Post 185: Not important.
Post 207: Says HurriKaty looks like scum looking for an easy Twito lynch after she said he could be a Jester. That's not an easy lynch! A Jester is the last person you want to lynch.
Post 217: I don't really see the importance in Angus saying what he's going to draw beforehand...
Post 224: States the obvious. "So you think he could could be a scum artist? But that would mean he isn't a confirmed innocent at all." This is one of, if not the main, reason I was voting for Angus, because I can't see us just being given a confirmed innocent player.
Post 237: Tells Y off for suggesting that we lynch a lurker. Cough cough.
Post 255: Explains that he voted Angus for hinting at a power role. I don't think it wasveryscummy, as I've seen pro-town players do that sort of thing to get us to back off and not expose their role, which can be helpful. I do agree that it's iffy.
Post 266: Encourages HurriKaty to post whose opinions she agrees with instead of not posting because she hasn't got any new content. I generally agree with this.
Post 271: meh.
Post 278: I do feel you are making too much out of Coron not posting 'tomorrow' as he had said he would. This is the kind of thing I do all the time, and I can't be scum in every game. Zindy's following post is good...
Post 280: ...making this a bit silly. I really do think that half the reason you're attacking Zindy is that he doesn't agree wholeheartedly with you.
Post 297: Is overly harsh on HurriKaty, but as I agree with the case on HurriKaty at the time I don't think it's anything scummy.
Post 304: Makes a good vote on HurriKaty.
Post 306: unvotes Katy for doing what she was asked to do. Fair enough.
Post 307: Makes a valid observation about StallingChamp's continued scumminess but doesn't vote. ?
Post 330: Votes MC and asks for AniX to speak up. Exactly how I felt at the time.
Post 335: I commented on this at the time - he's confused by my FoS of Angus for bandwagoning MC.
Post 349: Votes Angus at the start of Day 2. I've made clear my stance on him earlier today.
Post 354: Angus case...
Post 378: Itching to lynch Angus.
Post 381: "The only reason not to vote [Angus] is that tomorrow could prove it without a doubt."
...EXACTLY.
Post 390: Claims we'd lynch Angus tomorrow if we let him live today, which obviously would not be the case if he's telling the truth.
Post 400: Brings up a point against Angus that I came across doing this PBPA. Angus forgetting to send in a picture choice might have been coupled with forgetting to send in a kill choice. However, that would require a lurky mafia partner, unless he was in a two-person group, which is notimpossible...
Post 403: "Why did you point it out?" Because you in particular are trying to get him lynched quickly and he's trying to survive. That's as pro-town as it is pro-scum.
Post 407: "I don't think we're getting anywhere". Translation: "LYNCHLYNCHLYNCHANGUS"
Post 411: Same.
Post 424: As I said a few posts ago, I disagree with this.
Post 429: And this.
Post 431: And this.
Post 435: "I don't see any reason to doubt his scumminess". Please look back at your own Post 381 in which you do.
Post 437: Jumps to conclusions about number of scum, and reiterates his LYNCHLYNCHLYNCH viewpoint.
Apologies for how bloody long that was.
Now, at the end of all that, I'm going tovote: Jack, principally for his singling out of Coron as a lurker, especially when StallingChamp deserved pressure, and for trying to rush an Angus lynch. And, indeed, for all the little things I posted above.#greenshirtthursdays-
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There's no way he's going to get away with that twice, but I think we can afford to let him get away with it once.Twito wrote:And what if there is no picture tomorrow and all we get is an explanation that he didn't have time for mafia?
Uh, you what? As I remember there were quite a few, myself included. There's also the fact that we don't know StallingChamp/AniX is scum, and if he is, Jack could have been bussing (which would be a good reason for him to jump on a lurker instead).Twito wrote:These 2 I find scummy about Jack but then again he was one of the only players backing me up on StallingChamp.#greenshirtthursdays-
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And you see no reason why I shouldn't have become a little bit cautious stringing Angus up like that?
I'll respond to the main body of your response to my PBPA after my dinner, which I'm going for now, but I should elaborate...after deciding I should look at other players than Angus, you seemed to be a good candidate as you'd been pushing the lynch and Zindy was voting for you.#greenshirtthursdays-
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Yeah. Right.Jack wrote:ok more detail.
Yeah right.ChannelDelibird wrote:WARNING: This post is quite long.
Post by Post Analysis: Jack(spontaneous decision)
I know where it was - but he DIDN'T say he didn't remember. He said "let's see if I can remember". i.e. he was rusty.Jack wrote:
page 1CDB wrote:Post 14: votes dragyn_mage for saying he didn't remember how to play the game. Which isn't what he said.
I do agree that Angus' claimed role is one that needs to be hinted at in the manner that it was, but I didn't have a problem with it.Jack wrote:
I was wrong on this. I was thinking it's an easy scum claim to say you have a power role but not say what it is. Some roles it's best not to claim though, don't think Angus's is one of them mind you.CDB wrote:Post 69: You expect him to say that he's NOT pro-town? WTF?
Post 79: Translation: IF YOU DON'T CLAIM A POWER ROLE YOU WILL DIE!
Which is not behaviour helpful to the town.Jack wrote:
I get impatient.CDB wrote:Post 125: Votes Coron for lurking despite StallingChamp being a very appropriate place for his vote. I don't get it.
I'm inclined to think that they'd be more likely to bandwagon if he was innocent, but there is some merit to this.Jack wrote:
Was conditional. If he was innocent they would lurk.CDB wrote:Post 128: So now you're sure that Angus is innocent?
Are there any links you could provide to games in which you've done this as pro-town? Also, prods > single votes in terms of pressure on players.Jack wrote:
I've always voted instead of asking for prods.CDB wrote:Post 130: "I can only vote for one person!!!!! ...who were the other lurkers?" Asks why voting for lurkers when the game is dying down is scummy. Answer: because prods are better and StallingChamp is scummy.
You showed no signs of there being other lurkers for you to go after. And I'm sorry, however "temporary" it is, you are still letting people slide who have an equal chance of being scum.Jack wrote:
Temporarily.CDB wrote:Post 140: And if you do single someone out, you're ignoring someone potentially just as scummy.
Hey, whaddaya know? Prods get them all to post something at the same time! Also, why didn't you say when you voted Coron who also needed to post, so that they might see your vote and notice that you felt the lurkers were scummy. That would do just as good a job. I don't think your defense is standing up very well, to be honest.Jack wrote:
You get a lurker to post something and then you move on. There's plenty of time.CDB wrote: Post 142: "Why is it scummy that I haven't unvoted Coron?" Because you feel he's more likely scum than StallingChamp, for example - you are voting for someone whomightpost something scummy ahead of someone who has. It's also that you're singling him out.
OK, if you don't want to use 'irregular', try 'inconsistent'. Or maybe you prefer 'biased'.Jack wrote:I also think your definition of irregular is wrong but don't want to get into another discussion about it.
You find lurking scummy, yes? You find scummy people lynch-worthy, yes? No, it's not quite the same as Y, but post 237 contradicts your stance on lurkers.Jack wrote:
I never said anything about lynching coron.CDB wrote:Post 237: Tells Y off for suggesting that we lynch a lurker. Cough cough.
The point I'm making here is that it's not particularly pro-town OR pro-scum to not be able to post when you wanted to. If all you wanted was for a lurker to post some content, then you could afford leeway of a couple of days within his time frame. I don't think this is irregular.Jack wrote:
Isn't this a prime example of "irregular" behavior even though it isn't irregular for you? In fact you saying this while disagreeing with my defense is "irregular". Gosh, you must be scum.CDB wrote:Post 278: I do feel you are making too much out of Coron not posting 'tomorrow' as he had said he would. This is the kind of thing I do all the time, and I can't be scum in every game. Zindy's following post is good...
Also, saying I "must be scum" and not voting for me is noted.
Exactly. Disagreement is not a scumtell, it's a talking tell.Jack wrote:
Possible :pCDB wrote:Post 280: ...making this a bit silly. I really do think that half the reason you're attacking Zindy is that he doesn't agree wholeheartedly with you.
Addressed in my previous post - don't you see why I might have become cautious about stringing up Angus like we were about to? Patience addressed above.Jack wrote:
HYPOCRITE as alreayd pointed out. Also, I've never been particularly patient.CDB wrote:snip
Only the smaller ones, I'm afraid. I still feel very comfortable with my vote on you.Jack wrote:
Hopefully I've addressed them.CDB wrote:Now, at the end of all that, I'm going tovote: Jack, principally for his singling out of Coron as a lurker, especially when StallingChamp deserved pressure, and for trying to rush an Angus lynch. And, indeed, for all the little things I posted above.#greenshirtthursdays-
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If you think lurking is neutral as opposed to scummy, why did you vote for somebody for lurking?
You haven't answered my question. Don't you see why I might have become cautious about stringing up Angus like we were about to?
You know, Angus could actually be telling the truth. If he can confirm himself tonight that's good for the town, if he doesn't he's dead scum. That's a win-win for the town. We're not in LyLo.#greenshirtthursdays-
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OK then, so in your view it's 100% completely impossible that Angus is town and simply didn't get his night choice in?Jack wrote:
So they stop lurking.ChannelDelibird wrote:If you think lurking is neutral as opposed to scummy, why did you vote for somebody for lurking?
You haven't answered my question. Don't you see why I might have become cautious about stringing up Angus like we were about to?
You know, Angus could actually be telling the truth. If he can confirm himself tonight that's good for the town, if he doesn't he's dead scum. That's a win-win for the town. We're not in LyLo.
I think "I can't believe people don't think he's not scum" answers the question.
See above.#greenshirtthursdays-
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Let me explain this as clearly as I can.
I am not convinced that Angus is town. I don't, however, feel that he's definitely scum yet. I think I and others have been rash in bringing Angus so close to a lynch today when he could confim himself tonight as either town or scum, depending on whether a painting appears tomorrow.
From what I can tell you're saying that if my feelings change over time I am scum for acting accordingly. It is not unusual for somebody to realise that perhaps their past actions have not been perfect.#greenshirtthursdays-
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I do not claim that it has nothing to do with Zindy's vote for you. Quite the contrary, I mention that the fact that you are an alternative is part of my reasoning for looking at you. Here is the post:Jack wrote:Somehow this prompts him to to a pbpa. He claims this was spontaneous which is a really odd claim. It's like he wants to assure us it has nothing to do with Z's vote for me.
If you look at any game that I have played in the past, you'll see that a PBPA is, if not a first, a second-time-ever thing for me to do. In that way it was spontaneous (i.e. I don't think we should by lynching Angus today -> Who should we lynch instead? -> Jack seems to be really pushing the Angus wagon, and he is already suspected by another player enough for a vote -> Oh! I could do a PBPA as I am bored, have the time, and could usefully see if it's worth my while voting for him.)CDB wrote:I'll respond to the main body of your response to my PBPA after my dinner, which I'm going for now, but I should elaborate...after deciding I should look at other players than Angus, you seemed to be a good candidate as you'd been pushing the lynch and Zindy was voting for you.
How and when have I said that being rash wasn't scummy? The entire point I've been making is that the Angus wagon is scummy.Jack wrote:In his last post he says he thinks it was rash, but that it wasn't scummy that he was rash. Then he says I'm rash and therefore scum. It really doesn't follow.
You interpreted it as such, in the very next post.Jack wrote:Now, if you read Zindaras's post 423 it doesn't actually defend Angus.
Jack wrote:I don't like Zindaras defense of angus. It looks like either defending scum buddy or "see guys I told you he was innocent".#greenshirtthursdays-
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Your post is entirely relevant - because it shows that if you are voting me for backing up a defense that wasn't there, then you are a hypocrite for attacking said defense.Jack wrote:My post is irrelevant. You aren't answering the charge against you. If I said there was a defense, and you said the defense was sensible, you must have read such a defense and agreed with it. But if there was no defense for you to read (whether I said there was or not), then you didn't really agree with anything. What part of zindies post was a defense of angus that you thought was sensible?
You called it a defense, I put it in your terms.
I don't have time right now to respond to the entirety of your post (it's getting late and I am going to bed) but my general feeling upon reading it through was "that's bollocks".#greenshirtthursdays-
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AniX wrote:Did I sign up to replace for this? Did I really? Man, I totally forgot. Was I drunk at the time? Did Alko slip like cocaine into my drink and then ask me?
Uhh...I mean...I DESCEND FROM THE HEAVENS UPON THIS GAME. I AM JUSTICE...I AM LAW...I AM ONE OF MANY AND MANY OF ONE! I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA! MR. 11TH HOUR HAS ARRIVED AT THIS GAME!
Ok, I really need toread this gameexamine this game with my awesome powers of deduction.HALLELUJAH!
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In other news, HurriKaty, do you really consider 1 night the only chance we can afford to take on somebody who could be at best a confirmed innocent?#greenshirtthursdays-
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I'm eager because you're at lynch -2, 3 days before deadline. I want us to have enough discussion time about your claim before deadline, and I really don't see this not ending up in a claim, frankly.Jack wrote:
Also, why are you so eager? Half the people on my wagon haven't even commented since I started defending myself.ChannelDelibird wrote:Jack, I think you should claim.
@Zindaras: Yes I know. Y mentioned putting me at -1 which would be a bad idea.
Translation: "O SNAP, I called it a defense too? Um...I meant it in a different way! Honest! But I, uh... knew what you were thinking and you didn't! YEAH! "Jack wrote:That's a seperate issue to the one that was raised. You agreed with a defense that wasn't there. I called it a defense of angus in the way that "the best defense is a good offense", but that can't be the kind of defense you were referring to (ie it's not an explanation of why angus wasn't scum). Your evasion on this is noted.
Agreeing with someone without looking at their post closely is exactly what scum do when contriving an argument.
Come on.#greenshirtthursdays-
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I think you're more likely scum than Angus because:
-You've been pushing awful hard for his lynch despite him being given one more night to clear himself or get lynched being a reasonable thing to do.
-You took the heat off a scummy player, StallingChamp, in order to go after a lurker (easy option for scum).
-In voting for that lurker you ignored others who were doing the same thing.
-I feel your defense has been in places poor (particularly concering the lurker issue) and your latest part of that defense ("unfortunately for you, everyone else can read") is another good example. Before anyone else has actually given their view on the post I was commenting on you say they think differently (which you can't know).
-Despite having 4 votes on you and being very near to deadline, you've refused to claim. I think you're stalling (maybe because you don't know what's a credible claim for this game).#greenshirtthursdays-
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I've said he was scummy. I've never said that I was as sure as you are.
I saw the claim, not sure what to make of it. Doesn't look like a fake claim, but I have no idea whether a Jar of Dirt would be a possible scum role. I'll probably reserve judgement until the full claim, when it comes. (I think when > if at this point.)#greenshirtthursdays-
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unvote, vote: Angusbecause the claim is believable. dragyn_mage is now probably town, which is good to know.
I'm still annoyed about your behaviour, Jack, but it looks like you're probably town.
(of course, you could have been stalling so that some of the lurkers wouldn't check in in time to counterclaim before the deadline...however, if that's the case we'll nail you tomorrow anyway.)#greenshirtthursdays-
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Let me put it this way - I'm pretty certain that we have at least one inactive scum, so to speak. Y (and others who have solved the riddle, i.e. Coron), you're begging the question: why aren't you telling Zindy the answer? Far be it from me to tell you what to do, but I think you should help him out.#greenshirtthursdays-
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In terms of my reasons for thinking Zindy is town, let me put it this way: I have role-based information in his favour, as it were, ergo I believe he is worth it.Coron wrote:Zindras, you're begging the question, how do you not find the answer to that? Psh.
I'm not sure Zindy is town ergo I have some doubts about saving him. If you assume he's town per se, you're so linear. So the question is what are your parameters for saving Zindy?
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You're so linear.#greenshirtthursdays-
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I acquired this information on Night 1, as it were. Concordantly I didn't bring it up on Day 1, but be that as it may, if it had been at my disposal I wouldn't have used it. Zindy wasn't exactly about to get lynched, per se.Y wrote:
In terms of roles, there are three that can give you the information you claim to poses, i.e. cop, mason or mafia. Could you tell us when did you acquire such information and why weren't we notified when he was attacked D1?ChannelDelibird wrote:In terms of my reasons for thinking Zindy is town, let me put it this way: I have role-based information in his favour, as it were, ergo I believe he is worth it.
You're so linear.
Zindy - that's interesting. I think it might be worth revealing who it is, as so to speak my role also suggests that that person is scum.#greenshirtthursdays-
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This list of required phrases is really getting on my nerves, hence the reduction in posting.
unvote milkman, seems like a fair reason for not using all night choices.
I'm going tovote: AniX. I didn't like StallingChamp's behaviour on D1 and exactly nothing has been done by AniX to allay my fears.
Y is probably my second bet. Twito just looks like he's as pissed off with the restriction as I am.
Let me put it this way
Be that as it may
Far be it from me
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You're begging the question.
You're being defensive.
Don't compare apples to oranges.
What are your parameters?
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