Mini 399 - Meets His Maker Mafia - GAME OVER!

[klebian]

I'm here. I had forgotten I was in this game.

[klebian]

vote: Twito

on the basis of lynch all bad spellers.

[klebian]

'lyiers' is not even close to 'barely a typo'

[klebian]

Just a note: Panzer and cdb have not posted today, which I find very very suspicious.

[klebian]

idk about twito, but I was joking. My apologies.

[klebian]

Panzerjager is the play today, we should lynch him immediately. Of course, we will give him ample time to claim.

Unvote Vote Panzerjager

Just realized how right you are.

vote: panzy

How much time should we deem ample?
3 weeks?

[klebian]

unvote, vote twito

on the basis that he's twito

[klebian]

I know what IYO is, but what's HIYO?

[klebian]

yasrsly,

unvote, vote pots

[klebian]

Hmm. Am I uncool for not voting myself?

unvote

[klebian]

I do you a favor today, you do me a favor tomorrow and lynch Adele, K? If you could vig her, that would be cool, too. She sounds like a scum Mason.

FFS. Please stop trading favours, and recognise that telling the truth is a bloody scumtell.

LAL

[klebian]

I merely found the discrepancy between the two posts funny.

This mason issue is difficult for me to understand; I see that Pooky visits people at night and if he doesn't visit you, you are told he was working. Pooky is refusing to settle anything, and this makes me believe that one of the 3 of you guys are scum. He may have implied earlier that there was something with you and him about masonry, but that may just have been continuing a joke, as someone noted. Pooky seems to not really want anyone voting him (SL's vote [which didn't even count] was met with a "How so?" when it was obvious that he hadn't posted to settle an issue that was ongoing at the moment), so there may be something up with him.

[klebian]

I don't follow this conversation at all. I'm very confused between these... masons? conversation.

Anyone want to clarify/summarize it for me?

Good contribution by IH here, then, adele?
I don't really see any basis coming from you.

[klebian]

Wait, the best irony is that you asked pooky, who can apparently confirm you in some way, or at any rate confirm your role, to contribute, and he joked around, responded to a vote with 'how so', did nothing else, and yet your vote is on me for 'feigning confusion'.

[klebian]

I don't understand what you're saying. Why am I what?

[klebian]

klebian, you're at lynch-2. I guess if you don't want to get lynched, you might wanna do something about that.

On reasoning that I don't feel sufficient enough at this point. The first 2 votes on me were seemingly random, yours was for not contributing (but I feel I am now contributing to this game), and I don't know what Yamahako meant by this sentence: "Why are you feeding this discussion aiming it toward the people who are actually contributing?"

Btw, Chamber and maybe dragyn_mage (definitely chamber) need prods.

[klebian]

Yamahako (if I understand him correctly) is objecting to the way you're "contributing"at the moment (harsh quote marks there, but I'm not fully satisfied); if you look further into Yama's post for context it becomes clearer

Why are you feeding this discussion aiming it toward the people who are actually contributing? it seems counter productive -

we should be focusing on people who seem to be deliberately hiding something and being deceptice

So: he feels you're trying to pull more info out of contributors (asking me questions when I've been very upfront about everything but would obviously not like to give too much info away to scum) rather than focusing on people who are acting scummy by undercontributing (he names Pooky, which I somewhat disagree with).

Ok. I see now. So he says I am 'protecting' lurkers, such as pooky. I disagree with you that Pooky isn't undercontributing, however many people in this game could be classified as undercotributing, including me. However, yama points out that I wasn't calling out pooky, but that's kinda wrong. I did in this post:

This mason issue is difficult for me to understand; I see that Pooky visits people at night and if he doesn't visit you, you are told he was working. Pooky is refusing to settle anything, and this makes me believe that one of the 3 of you guys are scum. He may have implied earlier that there was something with you and him about masonry, but that may just have been continuing a joke, as someone noted. Pooky seems to not really want anyone voting him (SL's vote [which didn't even count] was met with a "How so?" when it was obvious that he hadn't posted to settle an issue that was ongoing at the moment), so there may be something up with him.

Now I see that pooky is 'furiously asking the moderator questions', so this can be excused somewhat...

At any rate, this game has really slowed. It's difficult to 'contribute' when no one else posts.

[klebian]

It's cuz they are all buddy-buddy with him and aren't ready to bus him yet. The lack of speed on this wagon just proves it being on scum. Just wait eventually they will realize they can't save him and will bus him. [hint]Now would be a good time to bus your scumbuddy klebian.[/hint]

I don't have a clue what the hell you're talking about. I'm at -2...

[klebian]

But he was talking about the lack of speed on my wagon.

[klebian]

It's 6 to lynch, so no.
Bah, I had made a post, but I got an error in posting earlier yesterday, and I was able to post later in the day...
I think that chamber needs to be replaced very soon. I agree that SL had posted very very lazily.

[klebian]

may be, but you could misconstrue blood alot easier than progress. Hammer to come after his next response, at the latest, unless satisfied. Lynch > No Lynch

[klebian]

Well, I kinda thought he might decide to claim.

[klebian]

well, hopefully you haven't set your clock ahead yet.

vote: shadowlurker

[klebian]

So donating an organ will maybe help panzerjager come back and post? *Nominates chamber*

Mod, will it be publicly known when this 24 hour time period will be? Will it be right after the donation, or randomly chosen, or what?

[klebian]

what if you die during that period?

[klebian]

Yeah, it said you and Pooky argued.

I know that Twito was the killer though.

Also that does suck CDB = (

Pots didn't even say they argued, though.

[klebian]

Mod, activity here is super low.
Prods, please.

[klebian]

Cmon guys, this is embarassing.

[klebian]

TWITO: You are at -1. This is pressure to start talking. IH, you are fine now. You should be talking as well.
(Now a ranger's account has been deactivated- replacement is necessary)

[klebian]

Mod, prod on twito please. NAR needs to be replaced, and I guess dragyn_mage does too. IH, I think an unvote was not necessary. At this point, -1 is pressure enough. So far I get scummy vibes from twito, obviously, and now a ranger. Their interaction makes me think both are scum, for some reason (though not from the same group).

So, in light of this,

vote: twito

[klebian]

Good to know.

[klebian]

woo!

[klebian]

'sup homies, read most of everything.

Haven't even read first day yet, so nothing much

you read most of everything but you haven't read much?

[klebian]

Well, 45 hours have passed.
Meh.

[klebian]

Yo, the OP indicates that panzer still can't post.

[klebian]

Uh... I really don't know what to say about the assassination attempt. It's something I've not really seen before, so I can't tell you why I would 'report' that someone tried to kill me..

[klebian]

I'm going to

vote: atticus

still don't really get post 364-5...
And he wasn't at home last night, and I don't think Yama was the only reason (Atticus essentially half-claimed by stating that he himself didn't make himself leave home, and this was after yama said that [atticus didn't comment on this in his first post after IH said he was never at home])

[klebian]

Atticus: It was something like he outlined his own role, which I guess seemed as confusing as Pots's, but in his own role, there was no clear rolename, whereas Pots claimed that his rolename actually spelled out- mason.

I am at this point willing to go for pots. But I still think we need to talk more, so I'll just

unvote

off atticus. I know yamahako claimed, and I can't really remember what he claimed, so it would probably nice for him to claim again (and hopefully in less confusing terms this time)

[klebian]

Pots:
After a few days and my asking him, yama did make that post. In that post, he claimed outright, told us of what he did at nights, and some other stuff that I was unable to understand. Using the logic I already said he did, he voted you.

I asked him to reclaim (in post 410, pay attention) because it doesn't seem pro-town to not reclaim if the original claim was lost.

Pots, you say that panzer is being careless but you yourself are not paying much attention to the game if you didn't read the few posts that have been made in thsi game.

[klebian]

thanks for the contribution, man

[klebian]

I lost a few posts from the down time...

Yamahako, so the hiding about your role is you can hide with someone to talk to them?

[klebian]

but night 1 you said you chose not to hide, and chamber didn't talk to you at all

that makes it seem like you could talk regardless of whether you hid

[klebian]

I'm pretty sure panzer is taking advantage of the fact that staying in the hospital makes us almost automatically assume he's innocent. Genuine or not, I don't know, but I do know that he's made close to 0 contribution. Pots, remember, Yama has claimed a mason-type ability. This makes him confirmable if we choose not to lynch him today.

Btw, we have 6 people left, so we need to start thinking about the remaining scum. 2 scum have died, and I'd estimate there was a total of 4 at the beginning of the game. With 3 kills night 2, there is probably a scum group, a vigilante, and a serial killer. Apparently there were 2 kills last night (Jalyn, and my 'assassination attempt'... this would count as a kill, I think?). What do you think is the current scum breakdown? Probably either 1 scum 1 sk, 2 scum, and there may or may not be a vig...

[klebian]

Actually, pots, atticus is right. You didn't really ask a question directly to yama, so it makes sense for someone to explain what they think you're misinterpreting.

Guys, anyone considering a no lynch here? With 6 players, we are potentially in lylo...

IH and Panzer need to start contributing.

[klebian]

Pots looks pretty pro-town in my eyes.
Atticus kinda
Ih less

Panzer and Yama look scummy, but I do think Yama's role might be provable


ANYONE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT A NO LYNCH?

[klebian]

6) If 2 of the masons are scum, than a 3 mason minigame is not too unbalanced.

Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't even notice, but yeah, if you believe Yama's claim AND his accusation against me, you'd have 2 scum masons in the game... haha.

Wait, who would the other scum mason be in this situation? You, and whom?

Atticus, your continued defense of Yama, your calls for a no-lynch, and the fact that Yama picked you two days in row to hide in some strange place that give you "protection" are noted. If Yamahako has a partner, you're it.

You keep seeming to ignore what yama has claimed. He has claimed that he CANNOT PICK HIS HIDEE. There is no picking atticus 2 days in a row thing.

Of course I'm going to defend him, I know he hid me, and if he's scum, that's a pretty abstract power.

This is interesting. I've actually been wanting to ask this but I keep forgetting. Last night, did you get any indication about being hid? Yama says he didn't know he was allowed to talk with you; did you know anything about this? How else would you "known he hid [you]"?

[klebian]

I had no knowledge of being hidden until IH said I hadn't been at home, and Yama claimed to have hidden me. I'd say a pro-town role verifying what Yama did to me makes it pretty certain that he can hide me somewhere else. It's just me beleiving his claim that makes me say he hid with me.

Yes, but you don't "know" he hid you.

[klebian]

Look it's simple process of elimination, the scum is Yama or POTS. Thats really all there is to say. Lynch pots then we'll look in yama tomorrow.

How does process of elimination give this? I'm inclined to believe that you're scum.

[klebian]

6) If 2 of the masons are scum, than a 3 mason minigame is not too unbalanced.

Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't even notice, but yeah, if you believe Yama's claim AND his accusation against me, you'd have 2 scum masons in the game... haha.

Wait, who would the other scum mason be in this situation? You, and whom?

Er, I am not saying there are any scum masons. I know that I am not a scum mason, and I don't believe Yama's claim at all. He's like an un-NK'le mason hider takes the target to another place all-in-one, who gets to pick another mason when the old one dies, give me a break.

You said, if I believe yamahako's claim of hider-mason, and I believe his accusation against you that you are not really a mason, you'd have 2 scum masons. Who are these 2 scum masons you're talking about?

[klebian]

Atticus, your continued defense of Yama, your calls for a no-lynch, and the fact that Yama picked you two days in row to hide in some strange place that give you "protection" are noted. If Yamahako has a partner, you're it.

You keep seeming to ignore what yama has claimed. He has claimed that he

CANNOT PICK HIS HIDEE

. There is no picking atticus 2 days in a row thing.

This is what Yama himself wrote, emphasis mine:

"On night 2 is

when I picked DragynMage

(through his role name) but I wasn't allowed to hide that night, last night was the first time I've hidden."

Doesn't that mean that Yama picked DM, and therefore, contrary to what you are saying, he is in fact choosin his partner, and chose him 2 nights in a row???

Yama has made it fairly clear that he only picked Drag/Atticus (through rolename) because his original mason-hiding partner died. You even acknowledged this when listing the ridiculous part of yama's claim, emphasis mine:

(1) first Yama "mason" dead, and was scum
(2) hider
(3) mason + might talk

(4) when selected mason dies, picks a new one

(5) takes mason to a "place" that explains why the chosen person isn't found at home.
(6) a 5 mason mini-game???
(7) un-nighkillable? right, 'cuz the mafia won't kill YOU, 'cuz you're the mafia!

You keep for some reason stupidly repeating that yama's losing info for the town by having picked atticus twice in a row. But in that post, you said that the crazy thing is he has claimed to pick his partner "WHEN SELECTED MASON DIES". ATTICUS HAS NOT DIED, SO YAMA COULD NOT HAVE PICKED ATTICUS TWICE.

jesus

[klebian]

crap you're right.
Then why did I get that impression that he only repicks when other partner dies...??
OK yeah I see your point... but I still don't think he's chosen atticus twice.

I"d like a mod votecount first though.

[klebian]

my vote also goes on panzer after the vc

[klebian]

Actually, pots

Remember to unvote before you vote! I do not count votes that don't unvote first.

so I have no sympathy for self-voters.

vote: panzer

[klebian]

Panzer, a claim would be nice.

[klebian]

Well, it's quite possible, if we have 2 scumz, but no one has yet to really say anything or respond to my questions about considering no lynch...

[klebian]

Yeah, the problem is we don't know if jalyn was scum or serial killer...
With 3 kills n2, I think it's pretty safe to assume the game started with a scumgroup, a vigilante, and a serial killer. (Have I said this before? I feel like I'm repeating myself)

Let me try listing scenarios:

1) Beginning: Scum group of 4, 1 sk. (Pretty unbalanced)

• 1a) We now have a scumgroup of 2 and 1 sk left.
  
• 1b) We now have a scumgroup of 3 left. NOT POSSIBLE.

2) Beginning: Scum group of 3, 1 sk. (Seems more reasonable)

• 2a) We now have 1 scum and 1 sk left.
  
• 2b) We now have 2 scums left.

1b is ruled out because at this point scum would've won.

Consider 1a. We will have a lynch today, and probably 2 kills tonight. This will leave us with 3 people tomorrow. If we do not lynch scum, scum will most likely win. If we no lynch, we will have 4 people tomorrow. This situation seems to give scum the win in most cases that I think about.

2a) If we lynch scum, there will be 1 protown kill tonight. We'll have 4 people left- 1 scum, 3 town. If we lynch protown, there will be 2 kills tonight. 3 people left tomorrow, and a good chance of there being 1 scum, 1 sk, 1 townie. If we no lynch, with 2 kills tonight, we'll have 4 people tomorrow, probably 1 evil and 3 townies (with a good chance of 1 cross kill), possibly scum, sk, 2 townies.

2b) No lynch: 5 people tomorrow, 2 scum, 3 townies. LyLo. Lynch scum: 1 scum, 3 townies tomorrow. Lynch town: Scum wins.

1a and 2b put us in lylo. 2a gives a pretty reasonable chance.

Please point out errors I might have (probably) made. Also, please comment on which scenario you think is most reasonable and whether a no lynch seems like a viable opportunity.

[klebian]

Guys, he's obviously claiming to be responsible for this in post 328:

Everybody gets up to read the

two headlines in the paper of the day:

"DR. Gordon Lancaster dies from stab wounds."

"PookytheMagicalBear has broken the world record for largest collection of knives."

...

Also noted in the obituaries: Aaron Bannister, played by PookyTheMagicalBear. He was also part of the town.

...

However, why was there no report this morning?

[klebian]

well, you didn't put a headline day 1 either... I don't know what you mean when you explain the lancaster dying of stab wounds thing...

So you have the ability to give 2 headlines, and to investigate something that happened at night? And today, the first day out of the hospital, you investigated a death... and got nothing?

Hmm.
I don't see everything, but with the 2 headlines day 2, it does seem reasonable, and IH thinks you're innocent...

However, another inconsistency is that you were apparently actually reading the game while in the hospital, but as soon as you came out, you made a nonsensical vote on the claimed tracker and you said " I have no clue what the hell is going on. " Not only is it really stupid to come in day 3 after sitting out the first 2 days and make a random vote, but it's stupider that you have now seemingly claimed to have been reading the game, and had a feeling that Pooky was scum, which obviously doesn't happen unless you were paying actual attention to the game.

An interesting question you asked that was overlooked at the time:

...Hey can anyfind out if Yamahako as a weapon or not. ...

What was this for???
After this point, we got entangled in yama's claim, and your contributions of "I'm here, vote pots".

Which is also needing answer: Why have you been so persistent in voting Pots without giving any reason? Your initial reasoning was something like 'Atticus, IH, and Klebian seem innocent. This leaves Yama and Pots, so vote: pots'. (Possible yama+panzer connection here) You later clarified this a bit more: 'Scum is either yama or pots. We can lynch pots today, and yama tomorrow. We win!' Did you even think through what scenarios can happen tonight? We are at 6 people, and chances are there are 2 evils left. If we guess randomly between pots and yama, and we lynch the innocent one (assuming one is evil, one is innocent) then chances are we lose.

Yama responds to that similarly:

First of all, there could be 2 scum left, or a scum and an SK. You say the scum as if there definitely only one left - as if you know the number of scum in this game. Next you're basically calling out the next two lynches - like you already know Pots would come up innocent and then you'd "know I was scum"

and your brilliant (and completely irrelevant) response:

No, i think you and Pots are good actors.

Then, pots votes you, and you self voted. First off, you have a seemingly provable role. Second, Pots didn't even vote you for bad reasons, so it's not like you were so frustrated that you self-voted. So, answer me: WHY DID YOU SELF VOTE???

My vote stays.

[klebian]

And I voted because I thought i wasn't allowed to claim.

But IH had claimed! Did you miss that too?

[klebian]

Don't see what that's giving. Scum can make headlines as much as town, as someone has mentioned.

[klebian]

Ah, yeah, I forgot to respond to that. Atticus, yama cannot verify your role. All he knows is your role NAME. And you're saying the only reason not to vote you is if someone else can verify your role? You don't think you're not scummy in this game?

[klebian]

... Well if you're not going to defend yourself, you can at least claim.

[klebian]

Hey, man, you're twisting the issue. You're still at -1, and even if atticus has randomly decided that he can't defend himself, you're still the scummier one. I'm definitely keeping my vote on you.

[klebian]

So basically dragyn was a lyncher, but he didn't know who the lynchee was, and the lynchee couldn't even name-claim that would tell dragyn that he was the lynchee?

[klebian]

But I'm hoping it became obvious to him when the claim came of the three mason group and Pooky choosing to see which mason.

Reword this please.

[klebian]

Just fyi, flavor of my role will give my role away. I won't hesitate to claim when wanted though.

[klebian]

I'm suspecting Klebian, POTS, and YAMA in that order

I like how I've probably been one of the few people actually contributing today and yet I'm most suspected by you. But then again, you are at -1...

[klebian]

If we have everyone's role at this point, we can probably crack this game open, as to that, I'm unsure as to whether or not I want him to claim or not.

...
ok
I'm ready to claim if/when we decide I should.