Mini 387: Suicide Bombers, GAME OVER (at last)!

[Twito]

Didn't make it on comp yesterday, checking in now.

I was lyncher in one of my games that ended last week. Not so common role though but maybe can exist in this game.
I'm not gonna be careful with my votes coz of this game or whatever.

Vote: ubertimmy

coz he is scum.

[Twito]

So why isn't ubertimmy lynched yet?

[Twito]

No not really I'm just bored and the game is not moving so I was kinda hoping for you guys to bandwagon me and make it easier to track scum.

[Twito]

Oh yeah that was reply to guestions about my vote. Mmm.. bird why are you so interested, he isn't your scumbuddy is he?

Ubertimmy trying to make my vote on you unvaluable by putting words to my mouth is atleast a little bit scummy and reason enough to keep my vote on you.

So vote stands.

[Twito]

*Points at sig*
Yes I mean the part that I'm away for the weekend.

[Twito]

Why I even bother telling that I'm away when noone posts while I'm gone..

[Twito]

I'm here; and wonderng why Twito got so defensive over me inquiring why he voted for ubertimmy

We have tracked your scumbuddy and now you are trying to divert the suspicions to me. You just might success though since I'm so easy target.

[Twito]

How did Twito get pulled into this menage a deux?

It was him! *points a finger*

[Twito]

I'll prod everyone soon. In the meantime, I encourage everyone to bookmark this page, as the WATCHED TOPICS ability is suspended.

Seems to work rather fine..
if it stops working I'm fucked..

[Twito]

unvote, vote: chaotic_diablo

because someone needs to vote and someone needs to be voted now.

For the love of god vote ubertimmy then, he is scum!

[Twito]

unvote, vote: chaotic_diablo

because someone needs to vote and someone needs to be voted now.

For the love of god vote ubertimmy then, he is scum!

Okay. Why?

Coz he is scum?

[Twito]

Coz he is scum?

Yes, I got that part. Why's he scum?

I'm afraid to tell you that there are some things your gonna have to figure out yourself, my son.

[Twito]

Then I'm afraid to tell you that I'm nobody's son, and that I'm not voting like that.

That's sad. You don't have a father?

Just get a read on him. It's obvious he is scum. And.. (this one I don't reveal just yet)

[Twito]

No, I don't have a penis. I hear that's kind of required for son-hood.

And I dunno. He hasn't said much to make me think either way.

Ah sorry, my daughter.

[Twito]

Cool another game with StD. Look LOOK I don't have a wagon on me on this one! Then again this one is only mini.

[Twito]

FOS: MGS

To me that looks like a wagon hop like C_D pointed out.

IRT STD

Lets make the world a better place and have one game without Twito-wagon. Oh btw have I mentioned that normally the games I don't get a wagon on me are the ones I actually am scum. And no I'm not claiming scum here there is still time to wagon me just for saying this for example.

[Twito]

Aplogies for the double post, but:

Hopping?
If I remember rightly (which I probably haven't), I haven't voted at all before this - and certainly not in the past few pages. How does this count as hopping?

Unless, of course, the definition of hopping over here is different to the one I think it is

By definitions I use:
Hopping doesn't requite many different hops on different wagons. Voting many different ppl would more likely be called jumping.
You just hopped on the C_D wagon which was getting started making it the biggest wagon around and getting it move nicely.
Your reasons behind your vote look like excuses to hop on that wagon.

So I fossed you. Was worth a fos. I like my vote where it is.

[Twito]

Ah, OK. That's clarified then.

I kinda want to vote for C_D because of his shoddy attack on MSG.

There's my reason.

So it's an OMGUS vote?

[Twito]

He's reason to vote C_D is that C_D attacked him. It's more or less OMGUS.
Gotta read that attack first before judging the vote though. IMO it's ok to vote someone voting you and I always get blamed for doing especially when voting scum that way.

[Twito]

OMGUS means

O

h

M

y

G

od

U

S[/]uck. It means you're voting for a person just because he/she voted for you.

Why you repeat it? Or did you just skim the rest of the post after that?
Maybe your just finding something to say.

[Twito]

We don't have death penalty's in Finland. Here in Mexico.. umm.. dunno..

[Twito]

This game listed as boring since I don't have too much time. More or less skipping last few pages.

KC's case is interesting. Seen scum playing bad and feeling threatened and asking to be replaced for that reason. Sherlock idd is around and could do something like this.

I will make more valid post later like monday I guess or so. And see if I can look to this issue with CD aswell and shit.

Oh and just looked back whether I've voted and I seem to have perfectly good vote on ubertimmy the scum. I stick to that one.

[Twito]

I don't see how wagoning random people will accomplish anything.

Me yes.

[Twito]

Hehe he is dead. With 4 days remaining he could have claimed but I don't really mind.
Didn't have time for making that re-read.

[Twito]

Me feels happy about success yesterday and stays inactive for xmas and new year.

[Twito]

Someday I will have time to catch up with this game.. I hope...

[Twito]

Announcement: I can catch up at the start of next week.

[Twito]

I'll just get to the main points. I do have some minor ones, but they have either been discussed already or are just stupid.

Top 3
1. Pablito
2. TCS
3. Twito

Pablito

Again, has it not been clear that I've been jumping wagons? And why is this suddenly big news?

Pablito has been jumping wagons for quite a while now, so that fact should only reinforce the case against him, not provide an alibi. The way that Pablito tries to twist basic logic so that he can continue to do something scummy in front of our noses just means he's trying to give himself an advantage over everyone else.

So witches float then? That must mean they're full of hot air. *ba dum*

Therefore, I think I'm justified in voting Masterchief then because surely he would float to the surface.

Translation: my vote is justified because MC is surely scum.

Would it be harmful for me to say that half of the reason I started the wagon is to incite pressure on MC who I believe to be pro-town and the other half of the reason was to see who would join and how others would react?

Translation: OMG! The MC bandwagon is going downhill so I need to hop off it fast!
That is a clear 180 degree turn on his stance.

TCS

Twito began the Ubertimmy bandwagon, and never jumped off of it. I would call this a coptell; however, we began with Day, so there's no way that he could have known from the beginning that Timmy was scum. Still, I would bet a dimebag that he was the one protected from last night's mafia hit.

The first thing we should do is suspect Twito, not praise him and drop all suspicion. The point is that Twito was correct that ubertimmy was scum, so why was he? As TCS pointed out, Twito could not have been a cop since he didn't have a chance to investigate. Considering that there are many possilibities on how Twito was right, there is no reason to put Twito into favorable light.
In addition, TCS slips and says that Twito was the possible "night target." Although there is no certainty in the post, if it's true, then the first thing we should do is suspect TCS.

Ok then.

unvote, vote: Kelly Chen.

At least I'll be consistent now. Pablito has convinced me by his actions since my long post that he isn't mafia, just insanely erratic. Maybe he has a post restriction that says he has to change his vote every five posts or get modkilled? Razz (Joke!)

Poor excuse to vote KC over Pablito. "Pablito isn't scum because he acts scummy, but he isn't."

Twito

Twito had been shooting for ubertimmy's lynch for the entire day one period. I have four scenarios for this.
1. Twito is scum who sold out his partner.
2. Twito is a lyncher.
3. Twito got lucky.
4. Some undiscovered game mechanic.

So you are voting me based on me perfectly nailing yesterdays lynch?
3. I got lucky in the sence of random voting scum.
4. Maybe you haven't discovered it yet but I usually catch scum based on their posting style.

Vote: c_d

[Twito]

I'm going to stop this ridiculous hopping and OMGUSing and wait for a bit before casting another vote. I'm quite worn out with offering my opinion and having people like StD vote for me with less than half of a reason offered, all because I'm willing to stick my neck out and actually discuss who might be mafia.

Au contrair, I have a good reason for voting for you, I'm just not revealing it at this time.

Mole, can you give me a list of players from most suspicious to least suspicious? I would be very happy if you did so.

Back on the streets a day early.

Are you claiming cop? Because if you are, you're an insane cop.

Otherwise, a bit of reasoning would be nice. Thanks.

FOS: The Central Scrutinizer

[Twito]

c_d first protecting ubertimmy and trying to make alternative wagon based on shitty reasons. It's so obvious c_d and ubertimmy are scum together.

Why isn't he dead yet?

[Twito]

Oh btw didn't bother reading all the new posts since I was able to nail the next scum without doing so.

[Twito]

I'm just waiting for something scummy to happen. So far, I see nothing wrong.

FOS: Masterchief

[Twito]

I find it odd that no-one has died, although I've never played any mafia variations before. Any ideas, anyone?

Vote:molestargazer

for role fishing.

FOS: Jack

Also fits in the same scumgroup with ubertimmy and c_d

[Twito]

FOS: Jack

But I prefer lynching c_d the scum first and looking in to this dude later.

[Twito]

I don't ask you to understand my methods I'm just saying that they work.

[Twito]

So you are voting me based on me perfectly nailing yesterdays lynch?
3. I got lucky in the sence of random voting scum.
4. Maybe you haven't discovered it yet but I usually catch scum based on their posting style.

Vote: c_d

and you "nailed" ubertimmy luckly while random voting or caught him based on his "posting style"?

Oh btw didn't bother reading all the new posts since I was able to nail the next scum without doing so.

and you "nailed" c_d luckly while omgus voting or caught him based on his "posting style"?

I luckily random voted ubertimmy which lead to his reactions based on which I caught him.

It's not exactly OMGUS. I'm not voting him based only on him voting me.

[Twito]

Ooops just looked my name bolded.. don't bold names without adding FOS or VOTE it creates confusion. To me.

Yeeeeeeesterday.

[Twito]

That said things are too calm and I'm afraid we may end up having to choose on a deadline again.
I'd like to propose a game.
The name is "Top 3".
Each person says who are their top 3 suspects and

WHY

, and then choses who is the next.
11 are needed to play this game, let's play?

That's what we're doing right now. MSG already went and set the standard of bolding. Go check post 342. Even Jack and Kelly Chen followed that standard.

Umm.. shit..

[Twito]

I'm not sure if that's worth unvoting you since I liked my theory..
I guess this needs re-checking.. why am I fking up in all my games atm?

unvote

[Twito]

Sigged something important that also goes for this game.

[Twito]

Can I get myself lynched now or is it too early?
Honestly just wanted to say something and the new post doesn't give too much to comment on.
So KC is now accusing TCS?
Like before she was accusing c_d, yesterday?
I really should re-read but I dun wanna.

[Twito]

If you're trying to claim scum I'm not quite getting it. No dice if you just want to be lynched to get yourself out of the game.

No I'm town idd just wondering how long it will take now that I'm back for me to say something utterly stupid and get lynched.

[Twito]

Well for me you have already done that.

Am I dead? Sorry I will shut up then..

[Twito]

*checks*
I'm NOT lynched yet!
WTF?
And who asked you anyways?

[Twito]

Just take a break for a day and come back to scum later or something. If you're "fking up," and there's a personal issue for it, try to deal with it. If it's because you're overloaded on games, do half one day and half another. If it's just a phase, then it will pass. Please do not try to hurt the town by requesting a lynch.

That is all.

It has to be the new kinda marijuana I bought..
Or me having too much time and going off-topic in all my games.
Anyways to clear things out I don't wanna be lynched.

[Twito]

I'm back. I find Twito's retroactive self-cheering for his Ubertimmy vote very scummy. However, I'm unsure if it's because he's scum or genuinely giving up on this game.

Hell yeah I'm happy for succeeding perfectly and nailing ubertimmy!
And I'm not giving up on any of my games stop saying that. My plain playstyle happens to be very scummy even though I do find scum with it pretty well.
To prove this I've resently been lynched as the most obvious scum ever when I was playing without even knowing my role.

Pablito strikes me as scummy based on quotes on his resent post.

[Twito]

You mean there are no groups only individuals?
So skrew my scumgroup theory?
Game with basicly only SK's?

[Twito]

Thank god one game without new stuff..
Didn't make it on comp for last 2 days. I was too high and drunk.

[Twito]

blah blah blah, wait wait wait, let's just lynch lynch lynch instead. And Yes, I am purposely keeping my vote on KC, but I won't bother explain until someone asks me to put my list of three.

DO IT! But wait for neongrey to go first.

[Twito]

I'm gonna go one of these days.. maybe today.
Whenever I have time.

I'm really supriced to be showing in suspicions lists after nailing ubertimmy but I guess nothing is good enough.

[Twito]

Vote: MC

Cuz he never reads any of the posts and makes a perfect lynch today.
However I will unvote if he quotes this and by doing so proves me wrong.
I'm pretty sure that's not gonna happen. Lets just lynch him.

[Twito]

Vote: MC

Cuz he never reads any of the posts and makes a perfect lynch today.
However I will unvote if he quotes this and by doing so proves me wrong.
I'm pretty sure that's not gonna happen. Lets just lynch him.

Why do you do this in every game?? Also, what proof do you have that I am scum?

Atleast you do read the last post on the thread when you show up.
As promised

unvote

[Twito]

But I do get the feeling he is scum. And haven't seen him posting any content.

[Twito]

Twito "nailing" ubertimmy:

Didn't make it on comp yesterday, checking in now.

I was lyncher in one of my games that ended last week. Not so common role though but maybe can exist in this game.
I'm not gonna be careful with my votes coz of this game or whatever.

Vote: ubertimmy

coz he is scum.

This is my first post and the vote on him. It was a randomvote. Don't actually remember why I voted him..

lol more like because you don't like how i mod

His responce to my vote. Trying to dismiss it by stating false reasons as to why I did it.

So why isn't ubertimmy lynched yet?

Looking for more reactions.

He came to that decision because of leekspin mafia, duh.

Again trying to dismiss my vote by giving it reasons I haven't stated.

No not really I'm just bored and the game is not moving so I was kinda hoping for you guys to bandwagon me and make it easier to track scum.

Me admitting it was random vote and thinking about moving on.

Oh yeah that was reply to guestions about my vote. Mmm.. bird why are you so interested, he isn't your scumbuddy is he?

Ubertimmy trying to make my vote on you unvaluable by putting words to my mouth is atleast a little bit scummy and reason enough to keep my vote on you.

So vote stands.

This is after I re-read the thread looking for most suspicious one.
I found ubertimmy most suspicious as you can see.

unvote, vote: chaotic_diablo

because someone needs to vote and someone needs to be voted now.

For the love of god vote ubertimmy then, he is scum!

Okay. Why?

beats me!

The reaction again.

That's about it. I dunno there doesn't seem to be much to it but the way he was trying to dismiss my vote as unworthy gave me very scummy wibes of him. Ppl didn't seem to notice his scummy behavior and join the wagon I felt was definite and for a while I was actually planning on claiming cop investigation on him until I realized that we started with day.

Now alright I agree that it

looks

like pure luck. At that time his responces gave me very scummy wibes of him. I felt like I nailed him.

If he has partner/s I suspect Tamuz (and/or bird1111). I'm not entirely sure whether scum have partners in this game or not.

I wanna go on with my re-read but I don't have time. Later on I can also post reasons for suspecting Tamuz as a partner of ubertimmy.

[Twito]

WARNING: KELLY CHEN
THIS POST IS DEVOID OF CONTENT
...SORRY

Being drunk does NOT make Twito make more sense. Anyway. Back to our regularly scheduled tequila shots.

Try being high and drunk at the same time. Or maybe it depends on what you drink, you should be drinking the same thing when reading my posts as I'm when writing my posts.

[Twito]

What's that?

I can't smoke, I'm applying for jobs.

Changes. Mostly brandy since that's my favourite.
But since I'm in Mexico often also tequila.

Damn jobs disturbing your smoking!

[Twito]

Only Twito can turn a conversation to drugs and alcohol...

Well you commented the most important part of what has been going on. You really must hate me don't you? I still love you, ya know <3

Very interesting post by StD. If I recall correctly I caught something earlier on about your suspects and we could test your theory simply by lynching one of them. I would suggest MSG to be lynched first as by reading your quotes he seems to be sucking up to TCS a lot. And based on only this he could be scum with or without TCS.
I'm gonna have to do my own re-read first before I can say more.
Waiting for my turn.

[Twito]

Only Twito can turn a conversation to drugs and alcohol...

Oh btw I'm sure this was meant in a negative way but I'm happy to be needed. This makes me useful. As far as conversation about drugs and alcohol is useful.
Thank you.

[Twito]

I've never seen a more reasonable accusation be so completely incorrect.

:D

Two out of three of my people are the ones voting for me, and the my third is the one accused of being my scumpartner.

Yep looks so so scummy. Atleast you don't try to cover it.

Twito goes next.

Me me! That's me!
I'll do it today.

[Twito]

Town! You must lynch bombers fast! Each night they place a bomb on somebody! They will take as many people with them when they die! They're nothing but a bunch of murderous murderers with nothing but murder on their mind and they'll stop at nothing... even murder! The longer it takes to lynch them the more bombs they will be able to plant! So hurry up yo!

I'm not sure how to take this.
I assume that since we started with day ubertimmy didn't have time to plant bomb on anybody. But that's not necasserily the reason for there being no nightkill since if the only way with which the bombers can kill would be planting bombs and then dying how could they win?
One possibility is that maybe we have only 2 bombers and they plant bombs and nightkill.
Or 3 bombers who plant bombs and nightkill and on top of that powerful town roles.
Or some completely other system. For now the important thing is to lynch the bombers.

vote chaotic_diablo

First selfvote.

Vote: The Central Scrutinizer

. That is one suspicious motherfucker.

Secound selfvote.

My stance on selfvotes is gonna be that they were jokes. Even though the name is Suicide bomber mafia. I think it's called that coz when the scum dies they take townies with them like explained at the beginning. I don't see it as a hint to them being jesters. Then again selfvotes ain't that usual. And I've played other games with the two of you who did selfvote.

Vote: Twomz

we have to lynch either him or tamuz today before it gets too confusing

Alright since we know ubertimmy is scum I'm also looking for his connections with other people. Mainly Tamuz who stand out on my earlier re-read. So here he would be mentioning 2 guys, one of which is his scumbuddy but not indangering his scumbuddy.

unvote, vote: neongrey

Moving on after neongrey unvotes Twomz.

vote: Twomz

fair enough, better him than me.

I see this as a joke vote entirely.

I guess TCS and Chaotic DIablo could both be jesters, I mean this is suicide bomber mafia, it seems to fit.

Jester? What's that role do?

Very honest looking reply. But I can see Sherlock thinking what he was as town aswell..

Agreed, I'd say unvote all random votes just to be safe. If you have a good reason, keep it on there, but otherwise best to err on the side of caution.

Whatta fuck? This has gotta be a joke

Agreed.

Unvote: Twomz

Agreed?
Possibly picking on something that would be good way to mislead the town.

I think we have some people trying to be genuine townies (and yes I'm implying they are not) because they say that just because this is bomber mafia we should employ caution. Should we not, in any case, as good townies employ caution in every game and role we play? I personally think so, so saying we should now start playing carefully with our lynches and lynchplan just rings as falsetown to me.

Take this as you will.

I see what you're saying - however pointing out that could just be letting people know.

Connecting to Tamuz.

I'm going to go ahead and say I think it's pretty likely there might be a significant number of sacrifice-roles, based on the theme. Like, sacrifice vigkills or something. oh, and by the way,

vote:the central scrutinizer

. only scum vote for themselves!!!

Why he chose TCS over c_d? Especially since TCS unvoted his selfvote and c_d didn't.

unvote: Twomz vote: Cardboardbox

For blatant bad logic.

Trying to wagon based on joke vote? Then again it is idd blatant bad logic if you don't get the joke.

In case it was for the vote, i thought it was pretty obvious that it was a classic startgame randomvote badlogic of sarcasm. I suppose I should have added a smiley. I would consider Tamuz's vote a vote of humor except he had already voted for someone else.

Ok makes sence.

One ungamerelated quote:

landmine SK (puts a landmine on a post number, and whoever posts in that number dies).

Maybe THAT is what killed me in another game.

Our best strategy is to kill as many scum as soon as possible. Yes, that means if a cop has a guilty, my suggestion is that they come forward with it (again, my suggestion, you don't have to).

Maybe this is why I though we had already had a night..

You haven't really given a reason for him to be.

You want him lynched, tell me why my vote should be there.

Pretty neutral. Commenting on me pushing ubertimmy without reasoning.

Vote: ubertimmy

coz he is scum.

And you came to that decision.. how?

You need to let us know before exepcting us to vote for him.

Also commenting on it.

Or Glork.

unvote: whatshisname bad logic vote: ubertimmy

Could be distracting.

Twomz, Twito, are there any reasons for your votes on ubertimmy?

Why is he asking about this when ppl have so clearly pointed there is no reason at all?

unvote

vote:cardb0ardb0x

I think it's ridiculous to consider an early game selfvote a scum tell. I simply random.org'd it and the number came up me. I thought it would be funny to self-vote, so I did. I would like to hear your reasons for thinking that a selfvote is a scum tell (unless you were just OMGUS'ing).

This is indeed scummy. It was already declared to be a joke vote and he is dealing with it as if it were a serious vote.

Well.. there's not much I can say.

I'm still watching though.

This kinda posts I find as scummy.

I'm here; and wonderng why Twito got so defensive over me inquiring why he voted for ubertimmy

We have tracked your scumbuddy and now you are trying to divert the suspicions to me. You just might success though since I'm so easy target.

This post didn't come until later but I though it's good one and makes more sence here:

I called you defensive, not scummy, there is a difference between the two imo

So what kind of point are you trying to bring up? Supposively, you called him defensive to call it into attention. My attention is on him now, but there's nothing there.

TWOMZ, TAMUZ 'N' TWITO

THE FIVE CHARACTER T-NAME-WITH-EITHER-TW-OR-Z BRIGADE

Often I see scum putting maybe 3 suspects with one of those being their scummy buddy. Here he only mentions those 3 and as my assumption goes Tamuz as his partner.

But most of all I really don't like Sherlock's posts. But I'm not going to vote him. Seriously Sherlock looked the scummiest to me on the re-read. Tried to make mountains out of molehills.

I though so when I replaced scum.

I'm here now.

What've I missed? Why are you voting that Chaotic?

Hmm.. just kinda jumped up to me.

Sherlock's gone. I'm here now. But I would completely agree with that vote, c_d if he were still around.

Maybe pointing too hard on his ancestors scumminess. As a real scum I would expect him to be more quiet about it.

Post subject: 85
c_d pointing out MSG's scumminess.

rrrrrrrico.....y suave.

Shiiiit....

unvote, vote: ubertimmy

I felt compelled.

well then,

unvote, vote: kellychen

Why the hopping? Especially hopping away from voting scum.

My intro thoughts are a weak

vote: chaotic_diablo

and

FOS: neongrey

and

pablito

.

I don't like CD's (mistaken) Sherlock vote and I don't much like the case he attempts to make against MSG. It looks kind of contrived to me.

I think bird, Twito, and Tamuz are ok. Not actually sure on MSG. I would like to ask Twito for his other thoughts on the game. At the moment I don't think he should be followed on ubertimmy.

Kelly checking in.
The case she is making againts c_d seems weak to me.

C_D, could you refrence the game you played with the jester por favor?

Alright. So StD and Pablito both have said something in spanish. It's obvious we have spanish speaking mafia

Post subject: 125 MSG (or Mole whatever) shows up right away after being called for lurking. And joins on the wagon on c_d.

FOS: MGS

To me that looks like a wagon hop like C_D pointed out.

Yep.

im very confused. i'll reread.

Promised re-read. Maybe attempt to make up reason to join the wagon on c_d.

k, next moving on to

Vote: The Central Scrutinizer

Hey, where's the cream filling?

er okay.

FOS: The Central Scrutinizer

Almost following StD. However still pushing the case on c_d.

Post subject: 156 shows reasons to suspect MSG.

Sorry, I'm examulicious right now. Here, kind of reading, not a lot of time to do serious posting until... oh, the end of the week.

QFT

Tamuz had been so lurking.

OMGUS means

O

h

M

y

G

od

U

S[/]uck. It means you're voting for a person just because he/she voted for you.

Why you repeat it? Or did you just skim the rest of the post after that?
Maybe your just finding something to say.

Skimmed it, and repeated it. My mistake.

Good work Twito.

confirm vote: CD

P.S. neongrey you are scum.

The case she is pulling againts C_D is looking fairly forced.

This is a small issue I noticed while going through my notes, but I thought I'd bring it to your attention:

Most pro-town PMs say "You win when all bombers are dead." I'd like to rephrase that as "You win when all bombers are dead and at least one pro-town role remains".

That is all. As you were.

So if Bombers plant enough bombs to take all town down they win. Aha! That's how the game works. So I'm not expecting nightkills. Unless the kills bombers make are shown as nightkills.

vote: Tamuz

I'm not going to bother with the whole c_d mishap there. honest mistake, and I don't see any of the reactions to the discussion as being necessarily scummy.

Doesn't provide reason behind his vote.

C_D and Dead Rikimaru have funny conversation

Unvote

, way past the time for random voting

I've read through the thread, but need to do so again to get an idea of who I find scummy

Ok post is to be expected now from him and from ubertimmy.

c_d and dead rik are arguing points at different levels I think. therefore they're not attacking each other's direct arguments. Also, I think c_d's stealing examples have not been clear enough to make a good point.

good to know for future reference.

also,

unvote, vote: Dead rikimaru

because I sense he's trying to pick an easily won fight.

Again changing his vote.

I'm skipping the whole argument between Kelly and C_D on purpose here. It's useless.

Tamuz has asked to be replaced.

Alright so he is away.

Also pablito replaced Sherlock. I still think this is a scum tell.

The general lack of comment on the CD thing is odd. Especially as some people felt like commenting on his shoplifting metaphor.

Anyway, the whole stealing side track... I dunno. It seems like a bit much of a tangent to me, and a bit like a distraction. It -really- came out of nowhere, and without much of a connection to anything else.

unvote, vote: neongrey

Kelly seems to be making cases out of nothing.

"pick a fight" was a term I used to describe your vote on c_d. It wasn't meant to be literal. Just that you're choosing the easier battle to be won.

And when did I vote c_d?

How incredibly astute of you.

unvote: Dead Rik

SHIIIIIT!

This game listed as boring since I don't have too much time. More or less skipping last few pages.

KC's case is interesting. Seen scum playing bad and feeling threatened and asking to be replaced for that reason. Sherlock idd is around and could do something like this.

I will make more valid post later like monday I guess or so. And see if I can look to this issue with CD aswell and shit.

Oh and just looked back whether I've voted and I seem to have perfectly good vote on ubertimmy the scum. I stick to that one.

Me after being away for a while. I might need to find this post later on.

hmmm...time for a wagon!

1 for ubertimmy, 2 for MSG

Original Roll String: 1d2 (STATIC)

1 2-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

Another votehop based on nothing on page 9 randomvoting holyshityouare scum!

You have to roll again because actually neongrey was at 2 votes too.

good point.

unvote

neongrey is three

Original Roll String: 1d3 (STATIC)

1 3-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

Ok so you were forced to change the random vote.
Then again who knows if it even was a randomvote. I've "random voted" like that without it being random at all.

I'm here, still trying to figure out why everyone is so anxious to vote MSG, timmy, or neongrey.

Kinda scummy post.

We are four days away from the deadline and we need a majority for a lynch.
It's time to check the current bandwagons to choose the best one.

*checks previous posts from ubertimmy, molestargazer and neongrey*

It's not because he already has the most votes, and it's not a random choice.
Between Oct 28 and Dec 10 ubertimmy posted 7 times with no content whatsoever.
According to the mod he has been prodded but hasn't posted in the last 8 days while posting frequently on other games.

This was his last post:

im very confused. i'll reread.

I think he is by far the best lynch among the three.

vote: ubertimmy

FINALLY!

Hehe he is dead. With 4 days remaining he could have claimed but I don't really mind.
Didn't have time for making that re-read.

Just might point to my coinfidence of ubertimmy being scum.

*Yawn*
Morning all!

Hey Jack! Mike said to give you a cheer, so... cheer.

Anyway, down to the matter at hand.
I find it odd that no-one has died, although I've never played any mafia variations before. Any ideas, anyone?

Fking scumbag! You know why!

Doctor presumably.

I'll read the rest of the thread and then vote for someone.

Him being replacement this looks to be a genuin post and I assume he is town.

Post subject: 233
I really feel like I can connect the way Jack thinks.

Well, in regards to that. I've only played one previous game HERE before, and it introduced me to a lot of odd terms I'd never seen before - where I've played before, the most complicated term was FoS.

Posting a lot without accusing people... I found in this game if I did try and accuse, I became lynch fodder. I think your arguments are perfectly sound, and it seems to me like you're just trying to root out the scum, so I'm not even gonna FoS this time.

You can do scummy things as noob without knowing what's the name of the scummy thing your doing.

Masterchief replaces Tamuz, who has requested replacement.

SHAZAM

Aha! Tamuz and MC are the same now. Makes more sence to lynch this person. Honestly my case againts Tamuz was though out before realizing MC replaced him.

Hello everyone. I shall do a quick read.

Wow a lot of the people I cannot stand are in this game....

I can also see some tension between mole and pablito. Anyone care to explain?

Sorry meant to say "surrounding" Pablito and mole. (sorry for triple posting)

He claims to really have re-read and that's all he has to say. Did he re-read day 2 or all of the game. I bet day 2 Scum trying to go for other ppls suspects.

wtf? did I take anything seriously yesterday and then if you think so, why do you assume that I had intentions of any sort?

FOS: every single scum who's trying to paint me as an opportunistic lynch

You should have taken. Would scum admit this? Maybe by mistake?

I do find it very suspect that molestargazer decided to chastise my diceroll vote and then suddenly thereafter, ubertimmy was taken out by a torrent of votes.

I feel that msg did not like ubertimmy's lynch at all.

Interesting.

Hello everyone. I'm posting on my BRAND NEW LAPTOP!!

Seriously this guy is scum.

Just for that,

vote: masterchief

Then

unvote, vote: the central scrutinizer

Following Kelly. Why?

Twito

began the Ubertimmy bandwagon, and never jumped off of it. I would call this a coptell; however, we began with Day, so there's no way that he could have known from the beginning that Timmy was scum. Still, I would bet a dimebag that he was the one protected from last night's mafia hit.

I'm now doubting mafia has hits at night. Him believing they do would make him not-mafia.

Jack & Masterchief: Replacements, haven't done much scummy, and their predecessors were pretty much lurkers with nothing to say. I'd watch them at this point. They seem particularly happy to let the MSG/pablito thing continue on rather than explore new avenues of discussion... and that seems pretty scummy.

I'm just waiting for something scummy to happen. So far, I see nothing wrong.

What about reading yesterday for what scummy happened?
Such a reason to be lurking.
I didn't pick on this coz I though you CAN'T be scum on all games. I've changed my mind. And there was one game you weren't.

TCS, that was an excellent post. I also liked the way you put yourself in and saw yourself from other points of view - you weren't trying to avoid suspicion.

Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, and we should be lynching the people who are talking the least?

You've got a point, but I think currently we've got more than enough evidence to go off.

good idea.

unvote, vote: Masterchief

Is there any particular reason for that other than you want to lynch an inactive? I don't think you're doing what's best to try and get us a good lynch.

FoS - Pablito

However..

I'm just waiting for something scummy to happen. So far, I see nothing wrong.

I personally think you've got plenty to go off right now, especially if you read back a page. There's even been things happening since you were here.
With that and also your completely useless posts - I've not seen a single one of value - I think I've found my vote.

Vote - Masterchief

He did vote on Masterchief for that along with Pablito. But why FoS Pablito?

No offence meant here, but if you can't see anything at least worth talking about, such as TCS's very good post recently, or Kelly Chen's ideas, then you need to make the font bigger.

If there's no suspicion that you can find - post what you think about people's ideas - anything to help out.

That simply reinforces my vote.

Sticking to what other ppl say instead of saying something of his own.

And yeah, with masterchief, I'm not sure of where the line between 'scummy' and him just being kinda... well, himself. I myself wouldn't necessarily be too concerned about a pair of votes, but it'd be worth -some- sort of attention at least.

I can understand as a reason not to vote MC.

I don't believe this. I haven't doen anything to get suspision on me, yet you all still think I'm scummy by not contributing anything

YET

.

This should really start ringing alarm bells on everyone.
Looks like he is trying to get away from being suspected by simply doing nothing.

I'm on board. Masterchief, you're going to have to say

something

. Maybe you will with three votes.

vote: Masterchief

GOOOOD!

The Masterchief wagon looks scummy. That is, the specific people voting him.

Do the individual members of the wagon agree with that?

@mole, TCS, pablito

You look scummy for not voting him. Then again as his scumpartner you prolly wouldn't have said this.

Whoops, I forgot to add this.

My vote still stands. If I see something, I'll look upon it individually and make my decision. I'm going to try not to bandwagon again.

Keeping vote on his scumbuddy to avoid looking like it was there just as a if-necassery underbusthrowingmanover.

Well Masterchief surely isn't gaining pro-towniness posts. But he clearly fails to see that scum don't need to actively do anything to be scummy. Sometimes good scum get away by actively not doing anything at the most opportune times. And right now, MC, you sure are looking scummy by the way you keep avoiding the pertinent points around you and regarding you.

@mole: Why do you decline to comment on the scumminess of the other people on the Masterchief wagon?

I think your missing the point. Mafia DO contribute so that the "if he doesn't post good, he's mafia" thing can be avoided. Think about it.

That just means mafia have some incentive to contribute. It doesn't mean town players have some incentive to not contribute.

Players who contribute could be either scum or town.
Players who don't contribute are either scum or bad town.

Important.

MC says: Ok then

Count me in I hate Kelly Chen. And no not participating isn't my action. I simply am too lazy to read many of the posts.

READY FOR WAGON!
Must have missed others were joking.

Well it is your action because you're allowed to choose to be lazy or you're allowed to choose to not be lazy. You obviously chose to be lazy and I respect that choice, and in fact, I'm currently thinking you're more pro-town than ever because of it. But my whole argument has been that you have chosen something. We keep arguing about our perceptions of words, but I think our perceptions of alignment have stayed stable lately. So I hope this argument can be dropped soon.

You seriously think MC is protown for saying basicly nothing. Some scummy things but nothing else.

Whats with the sudden change of heart?

Reasonable post by MC. Supricing that there are some of those aswell. Very rare. Undiscovered specie.

Your reaction to my pressure makes me feel that you're pro-town, Masterchief.

Wow.... I'm... Just wow. Someone finally listened to me... i think I'm going to cry in happiness now.....

You were fooled by MC?

You annoy me. Plain and simple.

To Kelly Chen.
He is willing to wagon Kelly for no allignment related reason.

What did I do to deserve Masterchief's ire?

You annoy me. Plain and simple.

And this is enough reason to kill someone, is it? Anyone can be annoying - there could be some annoying doctors or cops, and I feel that I may be being a bit of an annoyance to people. My vote is, again, reinforced.

MSG kinda attacking MC.

Oh! I thought she was talking about my sig. My bad.

Hmm...

I'm going to stop this ridiculous hopping and OMGUSing and wait for a bit before casting another vote. I'm quite worn out with offering my opinion and having people like StD vote for me with less than half of a reason offered, all because I'm willing to stick my neck out and actually discuss who might be mafia.

Au contrair, I have a good reason for voting for you, I'm just not revealing it at this time.

Mole, can you give me a list of players from most suspicious to least suspicious? I would be very happy if you did so.

Lead to his resent suspicious. Very protown.

Well, looks like it's gone quiet. I've posted my ideas - what does everyone else think about my 3 "people I wouldn't mind lynching"?

Oh, and now I can..

Unvote - Masterchief

Why?

Simply because it was irrelevant. I still believe he is scummy, but I'm ready to embrace the view of others - and go for who I think would be a better choice. I will obviously revote if anything happens or my mind changes (which it does a lot!).

About the time to get of your scumbuddys back?

Sooooo, you think he's scummy but you're going to wait and see what the popular opinion is and then go with that?

I love the way you play Jack. <3 *hugs*

Did I say that?

The lynch won't work. He's explained himself, and most of you think that's fine. In my opinion, now there's no point.
I believe that there's no point in voting when I myself have said I believe other players to be scummy.

Dirty bitchass scumbag you are with your buddy.
Don't you try to plant a bomb on me!

PAGE 15 after this I skim a bit:

Well for me you have already done that.

Vote: MC

Cuz he never reads any of the posts and makes a perfect lynch today.
However I will unvote if he quotes this and by doing so proves me wrong.
I'm pretty sure that's not gonna happen. Lets just lynch him.

Why do you do this in every game?? Also, what proof do you have that I am scum?

Looking for proof. Maybe whether I have a cop investigation on him. He knows he is scum.

DAY 1 finished:
VOTE COUNT
7 ubertimmy (Twito, Tamuz, pablito, Dead Rikimaru, Kelly Chen, neongrey, chaotic_diablo)
1 molestargazer (Save The Dragons)
1 neongrey (ubertimmy)
1 Save The Dragons (The Central Scrutinizer)

Not Voting: bird1111, molestargazer,

This is not really done the same way others did it but here you have it. I make a seperate post for my suspects.
I will also post what I think of everyone here seperatly.

[Twito]

That took me one and a half hour btw.

[Twito]

APPRECIATE IT!

[Twito]

Vote: MasterChief

Scum.

My suspects.
1. MC
2. MSG
3. I don't believe we have that much scum. If we do here is the place for Pablito or Kelly.

It's fking certain. Ubertimmy, MC and MSG are scum together.
I don't care whether we lynch MC or MSG today but I would prefer MC since if I'm wrong(which I give close to 0% changes) he is completely useless to town in future anyway.

This is useless:
neongrey = Fairly neutral
Masterchief replacing Tamuz = SCUM
Dead Rikimaru replacing Scalebane = Neutral.
Save The Dragons replacing Twomz = Neutral.
Kelly Chen replacing cardb0ardb0x = Scummy play here and there. Fairly neutral.
The Central Scrutinizer = Sometimes more sometimes less scummy play but certain posts point to protown
Jack replacing bird1111 = Protown.
chaotic_diablo = Protownish
pablito replacing Sherlock = Has played very scummy but I believe he is protown
molestargazer = SCUM

[Twito]

I'm pretty sure MC is scum. If he is not he is 100% surely useless.
Any of you honestly thinks MC read the day 1 of the game? Or even most of the posts on day 2?
He is a threat to the town regardless of his allignment. Here I would think his alligment on top of that is scum.

So I prefer lynching MC first just incase I'm wrong. But like said I'm willing to go with MSG lynch aswell.

[Twito]

2. Masterchief provides us with his 3 most scummy list.

So you are suggesting no-lynch?

FOS: TCS

[Twito]

Honestly we have more than those 2 scummy ppl around here but I like my theory of them as group.
I can see this day heading to MSG lynch.

[Twito]

Why is appearing in most lists a problem? That just means the person is scummy. And you do realize scumbuddies often put eachothers names on the lists.

[Twito]

So what about MC?

[Twito]

2. Masterchief provides us with his 3 most scummy list.

So you are suggesting no-lynch?

FOS: TCS

No, I'm not.

That was basicly a joke. But other half of it is truth. MC is unlikely to provide us with his list and even if he does the list is very unlikely to make any difference since he probably won't read the game to make it. If he does that would be the first time I guess.

But actually, how does the bomb mechanic work? If I'm right and the bombs only go off when someone gets lynched, and we have a cop, then why bother lynching? We can just no-lynch ten times and get investigations on everyone.

I've made assumptions about the bomb mechanic based on the posts by mod. I had them in the long post I made but I can re-state my conclusions here. But still it's obviously only assumptions.

The important thing that lead to my assumptions:

This is a small issue I noticed while going through my notes, but I thought I'd bring it to your attention:
Most pro-town PMs say "You win when all bombers are dead." I'd like to rephrase that as "You win when all bombers are dead and at least one pro-town role remains".

I believe bombers win condicion is something like "You win when all pro-town roles are dead". I don't think it requires bombers surviving.

I don't think the bombers nightkill. (we might have SK or something that does though or other anti-town roles mixing the setup)

1)Either we only have 2 bombers(of which one we already lynched) and every night each of them sets a bomb on someone. Then when bomber is lynched everyone who has a bomb set to him by that bomber dies.

2)Or we have more bombers and it's balanced otherwise for example with effective town power roles.

I think it's the case 1.

Your suggestion of no-lynching and letting the investigate everyone wouldn't work if this is the case. Yes we would know who is scum and would have every town person alive. But every townperson would have a bomb on him and when we would lynch the scum every townperson would die at the same time and game would finish in madbomber victory.

What do you think of my assumptions of the setup?
I guess most of you didn't bother to read my long post and missed it there..

[Twito]

Well now it's much better assuming we have setup with 2 bombers.
1 never bombed anyone. Another one is now alone. 10 town againts 1 scum Sounds like pretty easy situation. But like I mentioned there could be other scum roles in top of bombers.
Let's hope it really is this easy.

[Twito]

I read your post, but I don't remember you mentioning this.

Hmm.. I had the quote of MBF but I might have forgotten to analyze it.. was a long post I forgot some things there.

[Twito]

It's nice how we are all more or less agreeing with eachother.

[Twito]

Hello sorry. I'm in way too many games. hard to keep track.

I'm getting the feeling that you are not keeping track of ANY of them
I'm myself in 15 games btw.. Including LO2 which is pain in the ass.

[Twito]

We might as well lynch a lurker, if we've got no other consensus.

You mean MC here don't you?
However I find suggesting lurker lynch in this kinda situation highly alarming and suspicious. Also you did not look for a lurker nor vote a lurker. Like looking if people agree before placing your vote.
Unless it's really gonna be MC. Lynching MC is the right thing to do.

Why are you looking connections between Kelly Chen and TCS instead of ubertimmy and someone?
I like your argument though.

So, basically what you're saying is that it's better for the town for Kelly Chen and I to constantly be at each others' throats to the exclusion of all other considerations? Have I read you correctly? You are saying that we can't change our minds, and that we should just hammer away at each other until one of us finally says something stupid enough to get wagoned?

Claiming distancing is one thing, but your post is downright distracting.

vote:Jack

I only see OMGUS here.

I have some bad feelings about

pablito

(from not understanding some of his points) that make me lean more towards mole... And pablito, too, except that I don't think pablito is the best bet for scum all in all. I'm not sure how plausible it is that pablito could have a thing with mole.

Repeating Pablito means that you are scum with him. Or probably not though

I really do think he's scum, from the minimum amount that he's posting (As if to try and post just enough to survive) and the way that when he does post, it doesn't help out at all.
What I'm saying is that if we do lynch him and find he's town (Doubtful, in my opinion), it's gonna be no big loss.

I feel like I stated this. Don't have time to find it now but I'd like to see the post where you vote MC and what you state as reasons. I'm pretty sure these reasons are not the same ones.

Probably tomorrow I will have an opinion.

I prefer to note this kinda post just so that if the opinion doesn't come I notice. However the post looked genuine.

FOS: Everybody who thinks my votes have to have ten times more evidence than the normal player's in order to be considered legitimate

I don't agree and I don't like this post.

Panic from what? I stated my reasons for voting Jack. His posting was ridiculous to the point that I consider it distracting to the town. He implied in the post that, rather than the two of us look at lynching someone else, we should continue to focus on each other. Is a townie really going to say something like this:

This is BS.

I find it funny how MSG is in most lists but isn't being voted.

That's good enough reason to lynch him. Who's gonna jump onto that one now?

Scummy post coz it didn't include a vote on MC.

[Twito]

Talking about lynching useless people we could also lynch pablito.
But I prefer lynching MC.

[Twito]

About setup:
Maybe we have 3 bombers but only one can place a bomb each night?

[Twito]

Can't we just lynch MC?

[Twito]

Nah, not sure if MC is scum, but I would be up for moving my vote to another wagon if it develops. I'm all for a good wagon.

My favourites would be MC, MGS, KC and you. But I don't really mind this TGS one after what I've seen of him last couple of pages.

[Twito]

Twito, join me on a KC vote. It'll be fun. We'll be all over the shop!

Whatta hell

Unvote
Vote: KC

MOD:

Can we get a prod on MC and if he doesn't answer it in, lets say 48 hours, a replacement?

[Twito]

unvote, vote: Kelly Chen

Might as well put my vote where it would matter.

*MOD EDIT*

The VOTE COUNT - 6 to lynch

4 The Central Scrutinizer (Kelly Chen, Save The Dragons, Jack, chaotic_diablo)
1 Molestargazer (The Central Scrutinizer)
1 Masterchief (molestargazer)
2 Kelly Chen (Twito, pablito)
Not Voting: Masterchief, Dead Rikimaru, neongrey,

I don't have a replacement for neongrey yet.

Deadline Jan 31

You didn't count TCSs vote on the post you edited..

Fixed.

[Twito]

I guess that would mean that Twito, DR, and mole all are unwilling to vote TCS over a NL.

Me prefers basicly any lynch over NL.

Honestly, if it gets to the point where it looks like a no-lynch is probable, I'd rather you guys just lynch me. Then at least the town gets some information and one less element confusing the issue Day 3.

Don't worry we will if that happens.

[Twito]

Guys, you're right. I skimmed through the first day, I OMGUS'd a lot the second day, and unless a cop both claims and vindicates me, I'm going to be a distraction. If I were a Jester, my play would have been absolutely perfect. I'm shocked I haven't been modkilled.

unvote, vote: The Central Scrutinizer

Assuming my selfvote counts, someone just hammer me so you can get on with the game. I'm sorry for being such a dumbfuck. Maybe next time.

Selfhammers as far as I've seen are always done by town but self -1 votes are different. And you ain't getting a way with it that easy.

[Twito]

Seriously, guys, you should really take a look at Jack tomorrow. I'm just sayin' bro.

Another OMGUS suspicion.

Unvote
Vote: MC

LETS FKING LYNCH HIM HE IS SCUM!

[Twito]

@pablito: same question.

I'm wagon-happy today. Although I'm kinda warming up to the idea of jumping back onto TCS.

What do you think about pablito wagon?

[Twito]

Pablito is also doing a great job being as non-committal about my lynch as possible.

You aren't doing a great job at defending yourself. I'm not too supriced tho. This could even count as townietell you being too lazy to defend yourself as you are just a townie.

[Twito]

Just vote MC and make the world a better place.

[Twito]

Your last post as a short version:
I'm seeking for bandwagon(except that I don't want MC wagon) and I'm fishing for roleclaims. This is my way of claiming scum.

[Twito]

Cool! No, MC is gone. There's no reason to bandwagon him even if I were to think he's scum. It'd be better to request a prod and then possible replacement. I prefer some of the more "random" wagons than the more sensible ones.

The thing is that MC was here. The role has been poisoned. Didn't you know that? MC is ALWAYS scum. Even if the guy he is replacing isn't.

[Twito]

So did I say I agreed with everything he said? Thanks for taking me out of context again, scum.

Shut up and let us think you are townie freaking out and lynch someone else instead.
Say that I'm his scumbuddy based on this but this is how I feel.

I really do think he's scum, from the minimum amount that he's posting (As if to try and post just enough to survive) and the way that when he does post, it doesn't help out at all.
What I'm saying is that if we do lynch him and find he's town (Doubtful, in my opinion), it's gonna be no big loss.

From MC's posts I don't get the impression that he was trying to post just enough to survive. I get the impression that he wasn't going to contribute and didn't care if we knew it.

If you forget about him being no big loss in any case, does he still seem like a good lynch? I don't think so.

Me yes.

[Twito]

My top3 was MC, MSG, Pablito/KC.

MC resently(today) was lynched in a game I'm in with him for scummy behavior similar to one on this one and turned up scum.
I'm happy with my vote on him.

[Twito]

He attacks Pablito who looks to be one of the most pro-town players in the game so far, imho.

How did you come to that?

Sidenote again. Twito's one page of spam is suspicious. Likely a role requirement?

Likely rolefishing?

I feel he is a better lynch than TCS today.

I agree and I don't see why StD would have a problem with this either as he has told he is fine with either TCS and MSG. And then we just need rest of the votes.

@BA: Your top 3 suspicions?

I remain to my earlier suspicions and as there doesn't seem to be enough support, and now with replacement even less, my next suspicion is MSG.

[Twito]

@Twito, since there isn't a bandwagon on you, does that mean you're scum?

Mostlikely yes. I have to go check my role pm.
No actually it doesn't. I guess something has changed the way games work and not even to most reliable theorys work anymore.

I've actually seen Pablito post very little content on this game and seen him vote hopping. When on the other hand I've seen him make proper contentfull posts on other games.

[Twito]

Second of all, don't comment on ongoing games.

Who did?

[Twito]

Twito did on where he saw my big long post. Although it was a very vague mention, so it's not bad at all.

Your talking about this post?:

I've actually seen Pablito post very little content on this game and seen him vote hopping. When on the other hand I've seen him make proper contentfull posts on other games.

It doesn't mention in any way any particular game. I could well be referring to past games instead of ongoing ones.
However this is just a distraction so I let it be here.

[Twito]

Twito did on where he saw my big long post. Although it was a very vague mention, so it's not bad at all.

Your talking about this post?:

I've actually seen Pablito post very little content on this game and seen him vote hopping. When on the other hand I've seen him make proper contentfull posts on other games.

It doesn't mention in any way any particular game. I could well be referring to past games instead of ongoing ones.
However this is just a distraction so I let it be here.

[Twito]

Vote: Brutal Assassin

Check my sig aswell.

[Twito]

Twito, strange vote, seeing as I just came into the game and strongly pushed us out of the way of a TCS lynch and into the MSG lynch. Reasons?

So did I. I was all the time supporting MSG lynch and trying to make that happen. I was againts TCS lynch. You might have noticed. However you can't ignore the actions of your premiors and that's why I think you are scum. I have provided my reasons.

My new scum list.
1. BA
2. Pablito
3. KC

Trust me I've been right so far. Let's just lynch them and get this over with. In that order if possible.

[Twito]

Pablito was strongly againts MSG lynch at times I remember this. I was againts TCS lynch but I admit he acted scummy and Jack to me appears protown. KC however feels very scummy to me. Also I'm not liking BA(=MC=Tamuz) too much. I linked him pretty nicely together with MSG as scum.
Don't even think you are lynching someone I didn't point at. The scum were all in my original scum lists I'm sure I'm right which could be stupid tho.
First ubertimmy my only suspect. Then I pushed for MSG lynch, wasn't voting him tho when it actually happened. Also pushing for MC lynch.
It's either BA, Pablito or KC today.
To me BA and Pablito could both be scum tho. I dunno what to think if we really have 4 scum here..
Anyway don't make me waste my time again making huge posts which points to right suspects and which no one chooses to read. Just lynch them in that order. Thank you for your participation in my campaign againts madbombers.

[Twito]

I feel like claiming cop again to get the stupid people buying these cases made by scum to follow me.
I found this post from my inbox. I was gonna post it on thread and then decided to save it and first check whether we started with night or not.

Inbox :: Message
From: Twito
To: Twito
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:38 am
Subject: Suicide bomber Quote message
Ah fuck that...
I'm a cop with guilty investigation on ubertimmy.
Obviously it would have been more advantageus to claim later since now I can't be fully certain of my sanity. But looking to his posts on top having guilty on him makes me certain enough.

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We are all innocent townies and the mod is an evil bastard laughing at us lynching eachother!
I'm at México as an exhange student and abit inactive.
I might have problems being active after 7th of feb..

[Twito]

vote Twito

No mames guey.

[Twito]

I'm pretty sure Twito is scum or needs to explain himself. We started Day One, not Night One. Twito could not possibly have a guilty investigation on ubertimmy at that time.

I'm pretty sure Twito has explained himself.

[Twito]

You failing to notice it and trying a Twito wagon is coincidered a reasonable scumtell.

[Twito]

There was this post a long a go where Twito explains how he felt frustrated for not getting support on ubertimmy wagon when he was certain ubertimmy was scum and others seemed blind not to notice it. So Twito was thinking of claiming cop back then, lying about it, to get others to join him and get rid of ubertimmy as Twito was so absolutely sure ubertimmy is scum. Then Twito checked and noticed that we started with day and so Twito didn't claim. In reality Twito is not a cop.
Also note the date of that post Twito found from his inbox. The post Twito was planning on posting on thread but first sent to himself while checking whether we started with day or night.

[Twito]

Well there is the whole thing about MSG voting MC with shit reasons, then unvoting for no reason at all to avoid bussing his body and when I shaked him about him he revoted MC. Also BA I don't think was too much pushing for MSG lynch. It was in inevitable vote for MSG.

[Twito]

The post I was referring to that Twito made long ago appears to be post 424.

I'm still liking my theory. But StD is jumping up a bit now that I've skimmed through.

[Twito]

I love Jack so he must be town. Rest of you are evil and mad bombers! No really I'm losing my theory here. I really want it proven correct.

[Twito]

BA doesn't have support neither seems to have Pablito what about KC? He was surely a big pusher of TCS lynch over MSG lynch.

[Twito]

cop claim would make sense one the one hand, since it's seems the mafia couldn't kill him. But I believe the mod said that the town one "when the bombers were lynched and

there were townie power roles still alive

" so we certainly don't want him claiming, he'll get taken out when we lynch the last bomber. That's almost enough to get me to vote C_D.

Misrepresentating pro-town role as townie power role is scummy to me.

I support cop claim.

WHEN ATLEAST ONE PRO-TOWN ROLE REMAINS! The original correction by mod. This means both, power roles and vanillas. Then again now it has been corrected to only include vanillas.

BA made a good case against MGS.

BA didn't bring up nothing new that's just bullshit. I'm seriously starting to get scared how many scum we actually have here.

[Twito]

A'ight.

[Twito]

Alright, I'll claim. I'm a townie who wins when all mad bombers are dead.

I believed you to be town before that claim, I believe you to be town after that claim, nothing has changed.

[Twito]

Did you read my above post? That pretty much explains why I'm in a more-than-lynching mood.

Seriously. We're at two for two, DO WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS to still win the game? The answer is no. Show me with reason why we can't afford to mis-lynch at this point in time and then tell me I'm being too reckless for that reason only.

Actually I'd prefer perfect record. If BA is the last scum I'm 100% happy with what I've done in this game. I've done perfect.
If he is not I've still already done good enough for me tho.

[Twito]

I'm all for a perfect record, but I don't see any way possible that town can lose right now. I mean seriously, two scum down, two for two. We have a history of posts when we've seen wagon changes and attitude changes. We have enough already to examine. Some reason come deadline time, we end up in the right place.

Also, BA being scum is just a pipe dream, Twito.

I haven't moved my vote in a while,

unvote, vote: Jack

Your kinda attitude could steal danger the town victory even in this situation. I can see you as scum giving up.

I actually mostly smoke my dope with heater or as joints or cigarrets and it does give me some weird dreams. Now I have a good while without being high on weed tho. Being high however is just normal for me tho.

[Twito]

I also love Jack and due to this disagree with your Jack vote.

[Twito]

Actually I'm almost coinfident each bomber places it's own bomb every night. I think that option makes most sence. That would leave us only 1 more bomber. Then again the 4 bomber theory is completely possible if they only place one bomb everynight. Then again why was MSG in that option chosen to place the bomb n1?

What comes to roles I don't think we have a role like bomb remover. Cop, doctor, tracker and roleblocker hoewever are all possible roles.

I'm just gonna suck it up coz this BA lynch isn't gonna happen no matter how hard I'd keep pushing it and as we can even affort mislynches we can lynch him later on if it seems necassary.

Today I would go with Kelly Chen or Pablito lynch.

Unvote
Vote: Kelly Chen

I might change this to Pablito. Actually Pablito is giving me the feeling of given up scum. Which makes sence in theory we have 1 scum, he has bombs on max 2 people and in top of him there are 8 alive so that's 6 bombless players.
Pablitos theory of scum not knowing who eachother bombs also makes sence and can increase the size of the scumgroup. Without even mentioning bombers not knowing about eachother.

[Twito]

Lately I've also got scummy wibes from Dead Rikimaru mostly coz of lack of participation.
I still believe we have 3 bombers who each plant a bomb every night and know eachother but doesn't know who they are bombing and can't talk at night.

[Twito]

Bumped over ended games.

[Twito]

Unvote
Vote: Pablito

I know I'm right cuz the text on the bomb that has been secretly based on me is in spanish. Join me lynch scum.

[Twito]

Twito, why?

Cuz you speak spanish. Or maybe you only built the bomb?

[Twito]

@Twito, I saw you dead set on wanting to lynch c_d yesterday during the top three business and today you haven't yet jumped onto that wagon. I'd like you to say whether you still have interest in seeing c_d lynched at all. I notice that you have bigger priorities (lynching either me or BA), but I don't remember if you've said that you don't think c_d is still scum, merely that he's fallen off due to process of elimination.

I was yesterday trying hardest to lynch BA and MSG. But as I couldn't really get support on either lynch as people who later lynched MSG where at that time pushing TCS lynch I was looking for another alternative wagons.

As most of the people where pushing for TCS lynch except you but you were also againts both BA and MSG lynches I was forced to choose from other people. And as I was looking to make alternative wagon basicly with your help BA and MSG choises where excluded. I don't really remember pushing c_d tho.. I might have I count on you here otherwise would need to re-check on this but I'm sure I'd have been more in the favor of KC wagon.

Basicly my main target yesterday was BA and basicly equal secound MSG as I believed that to be the whole scumgroup. TCS however strike me as townie so I was looking for alternative wagons from more scummy people.

This post came kinda a mess but I hope it's understandable.

[Twito]

Thanks to Pabs btw for finding those suspicion lists I'll take a good look at them later.

[Twito]

Twito away for the weekend.

[Twito]

Whooohooo! Twito is back! PAAAARTYYY!
/me feeling tired and catching up prolly tomorrow

[Twito]

I'm getting suspicious of Jack which I hate to say.
I like voting Pablito atm.
If we are gonna hammer let me do it, please <3

[Twito]

Please?

[Twito]

Waiting for the new top 3..

[Twito]

Twito, I don't care if you want to hammer or not. But I will be adding a vote in less than 24 hrs unless there's some new substantial evidence. I stated my 48 hr warning and I'm still not reasonably convinced otherwise.

What about letting c_d post first?
Also I'm gonna hammer on 23rd hour. Being 1 hour before this time tomorrow.

[Twito]

I'm not liking Pabs too much.. Wonder why I'm voting him.

[Twito]

Sorry I haven't been able to use internet since Sunday when it broke at my house and I've also had a lot of stuff irl. I'll be back and active and catch up when it's fixed.
You can also check the vac thread or what ever it's called in general forum..

[Twito]

Whoohoo! theopor_COD is in this game!!
I'm still here waiting to have time with internet access irl to post

[Twito]

You guys are so cool you well prolly be able to catch scum without me. Then again maybe not.
Too bad if not.

[Twito]

Vote: Pablito

[Twito]

And what exactly is that about BA?
I still think you are scum btw.

[Twito]

Would be sad to be on lynch or lynch.

Vote: Pablito

[Twito]

Twito why Pablito please?

His behavior through out the game. Helluvalot of votehopping and stuff and minimal content.
Also the way he was saying "doesn't matter who we lynch we already almost quaranteed won".
However

Unvote

[Twito]

Would be sad to be on lynch or lynch.

For Twito, when he comes back. Please explain the above part.

Supposed to write "...lynch or lose."

[Twito]

Was it that difficult?

[Twito]

Hell I could actually go with bird1111 lynch.
Check the vacation thread btw.

[Twito]

Surely we might be at lynch or lose.

Vote: Pablito

[Twito]

I'm still feeling BA scum btw.

[Twito]

Twito is in Cancun on vacation and going to Cozumel today.

[Twito]

Vote: Blahgo

again..

[Twito]

Check vacation/limited access.

[Twito]

Yeah he did.. Mod could just announce it.

[Twito]

Haha just realized he replaced in and directly claimed scum! :D
And I was already voting Pablito. I knew that damn scumbag was scum.

[Twito]

Ffs I hate ppl likr sthat. I'm Still on vacation till6h of May and still drunk.

[Twito]

Vote: Jack

There is something in the way he was almost lynched and not quite..

[Twito]

Reason in short version: Gut.

[Twito]

KC and BA remain of my original suspicions btw.

[Twito]

Posting not perishing.

[Twito]

I'm lost.

[Twito]

Could the scum please quote their role PM's on thread?

[Twito]

From: mikeburnfire
To: Twito
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:41 pm
Subject: Mad Bomber Role Quote message
You are a townie. It is your job to lynch the madbombers. You win when all bombers are dead.

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Sorry to the rest of you. Honestly.