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[Coron]

VOTE: Draygn_mage

this early in the game and you're already vote hopping. Tisk tisk.

[Coron]

unvote Vote: Y

voting coron is a scum tactic.

[Coron]

Limited access until sunday/monday.

[Coron]

Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:26 am Post subject: 37

Limited access until sunday/monday.

Didn't actually get back until Tuesday night due to car trouble(I wasted almost an entire day trying to fix it myself, then realized it was above my head). Though I was sorta around during that time I was only keeping up instead of making long analysis of stuff, and wednesday my school started back up... give me a break.

I'll try to post something of actual content soon.

[Coron]

Bah, tomorrow's my day off I'll try to post something then...

[Coron]

Bah, today my mom's car wouldn't start so I had to pick her up from work and there was the whole big hassle with that, now I'm tired and want sleep. I really really will get to this. I swear. Seriously. Scout's honor.

[Coron]

In my defense it's a lot easier to keep up with a game than to catch up on one. If I get behind on games I have to spend a large lump of time to really catch up, however if I just need to keep up it only takes a few minutes.

[Coron]

In my defense it's a lot easier to keep up with a game than to catch up on one. If I get behind on games I have to spend a large lump of time to really catch up, however if I just need to keep up it only takes a few minutes.

unvote vote: Milkman

clearly scum.

[Coron]

FoI: Y

I don't see how Lynch all Liars applies in this case and it's a dumb rule anyway, as a guideline it's alright, but not as a rule.

[Coron]

Give em another day I say.

[Coron]

VOTE: Y

[Coron]

Who says you claimed the name you actually have? What total BS. Tempted to switch my vote over due to massive craplogic.

[Coron]

Jack, claim your actual role, not just role name.

[Coron]

I still prefer a Y lynch, honestly, maybe even a Zindaras lynch, though before actually advocating that I would want to do some research.

[Coron]

unvote vote: AH

Wow, I actually agree with Y here.

[Coron]

Let me put it this way I know the answer to the riddle as it were, ergo, in terms of options I could either tell him or not. Far be it from me to make this decision myself, so I was wondering, is Zindy worth saving.

Be that as it may, Zindy can probably figure out the answer on his own, ergo this whole discusion is worthless so to speak.

Also, Jack, you're begging the question, since when did doctors make laws, per se, I sort of thought they did more protecting. Far be it from me to say that it is not possible, you guys might even end up saying "you're so linear" to me if I said that. However over all this law seems like it helps the town in terms of winning so that seems like a

FoS: Jack

for sure. I want to know, what are your parameters for lynching? It seems like he was probably hiding something in his role, which seems at least moderately scummy.

Verily,
Coron.

[Coron]

FoS: Jack

What are your parameters? I've explained the law making thing. Q.E.D

You're being defensive.

If we had any history of nightkills we could make this work for us so to speak, but it isn't like that per se. In terms of voting jack I will not be doing it now.

I still need an answer on whether we think we should save Zindy so to speak.

Verily,
Coron

[Coron]

Zindras, you're begging the question, how do you not find the answer to that? Psh.
I'm not sure Zindy is town ergo I have some doubts about saving him. If you assume he's town per se, you're so linear. So the question is what are your parameters for saving Zindy?

Verily,
Coron

[Coron]

Let me put it this way, he leaves day 1 with his full 4 days of food, on day 3 someone leaves from where he's going with 4 days worth of food, by day five they meet up, at the same time send another from where he is going(optional, only necissary if you want to keep the food courier alive, the party of 2 now has 1 days worth of food for each of them, at the beginning of day 6 they meet the guy who is now carrying 3 days of food(one day for each of the 3 people going to the place), which is just enough for each of them to arrive there safely.
Far be it from me to say this is the only possible correct answer per se, but it seems right to me. In terms of this game being fun this restriction=bad.
Verily,
Coron

[Coron]

That seems like a matter of opinion Al_ko. Your opinion appears to be one way.

Concordantly
Vis-à-vis
Per se
As it were
Verily
Qua
So to speak
ergo

[Coron]

As much as I understand mod, that you don't want to change your set up, honestly this post restriction is still pretty much killing my activity, and really isn't worth it. Avoid such possibilities in the future.
Per se
As it were
Verily
Qua
So to speak
ergo
Q.E.D.
e.g.
i.e.

[Coron]

I agree, I really don't get those votes. I will have limited access until next monday, hopefully I can drop through at least once before deadline.

[Coron]

Hi, I am here. Day started and nothing particularly interesting has happened since then.

I've seen a scum role once with a sort of power where they sort of get stronger as the game goes on, though I haven't seen it in scumchat. I was wondering if this possibility had been considered.

[Coron]

I'm not sure if Coron's explanation of the increasing power is meant to cover the lack of "kills" during the first few days.

It would be the reason for a lot of kills this most recent night too, unless we have another explanation.

Coron has also been absent a lot. I don't see any clear tells from him,

fair enough

but he cast doubt on two of the claimed/confirmed townies earlier in the game.

This is how I roll

Also hesitated to save Zindaras from the riddle.

There was a chance that it was a vig, and very potentially could have saved us from having to lynch him if we felt he was scummy enough.

Honestly, this game hasn't really caught my interest very much except for early, I admit I have lurked sometimes out of nessecity and some times just because I really did not feel motivated to post. *shrug*

[Coron]

It seems to me that wouldn't be very nice.

[Coron]

Is CDB cleared in any way? I dunno that I trust him entirely.

[Coron]

I have reason to doubt you since you are not cleared.

I'm wondering why people are acting as though you are cleared.

[Coron]

The heck? Didn't I post a big long post to this game?

[Coron]

I'd like HH to withdraw his vote until I can at least rebuild and present my arguement, right now I'm kind of annoyed that I lost it, so it may be a little bit.

[Coron]

Ok, tell me if I'm wrong anywhere along this line of thinking.
Givens:
1) 2 groups left 1 mafia 1 sk assumed.
2)we've had as many as 2 and as few as 0 deaths each night
3) CDB has claimed responsibility for some of these kills
4) 4 people alive
5) We have 1 dead mafia.
6)we've only had 2 types of kills
7) CDB claims to have a kill posibility tonight
8) both scum groups have a killing ability(sort of my own assumption here)

Since I believe that both scum groups that we are assuming exist have a kill, since we only have 2 types of kills so far and CDB has claimed responsiblity for one type, we are left with two options.
A) one scum group has not killed
B) one scum group is CDB
I'm willing to assume it is B.
Since CDB has a kill ready for tonight, if we lynch someone who is not CDB and he is scum he will win.
Our other kill has been seemingly randomly eratic(appearing only a couple of nights), thus if we don't kill the other person it is possible we will still survive. It may in fact be better for the town to no lynch at this juncture.
It would make sense that the 2 mafia members would have to switch nights killing, thus with one dead the mafia kill would only occur every other night.

If we lynch CDB: We are putting our fate into an unknown quantity, whether or not the other kill will happen tonight.

If we no lynch:

1) Kill by other group
a) cross kill for both we win
b) one kills the other and the other kills a town, one of them wins
c) they both kill town, we lose

2) No kill by other group
a) he kills other one, we lynch him
b) he kills a town, we end up with three, lynching would make us lose, so we have to no lynch and hope for crosskills to kill both of them sooner or later.

As a town we're not in a very good place, we, how I see it have 2 options, either lynch CDB or no lynch, but neither of them really look all that good for the town. If anyone has any potentially useful abilities or alternate plans that would be nice.

[Coron]

I find it highly unlikely.

[Coron]

We really don't want to lynch either HH, that's the thing, think about what happens if we lynch.

[Coron]

So we need to come to some sort of decision pretty soon, I'd like to hear from Twito about what he thinks.

[Coron]

It doesn't change anything as far as I can tell.

[Coron]

If we had 2 mafia alive the game would be over.

[Coron]

I think there is about a 99% chance CDB is scum. I do not know whether or not he actually has the cop power in addition to being able to kill, but he is almost certainly scum.

As for what I think about HH, I don't think it's particularly likely that he's scum, but at this point I see no reason to rule it out as a possibility.

[Coron]

bump

[Coron]

I don't think a mass claim is nessisary or adventagous at this time. Kaleidoscope probably shouldn't have claimed either. I don't remember what a Martyr does, but I'm trying to look it up on various, if I don't get back to you please inform me.

[Coron]

Ya know I've been posting freguently atleast once a week. And answering the prods.

you also haven't added anything at all, saying "oh I'll catch up later" again and again. If you never catch up IT IS NOT HELPFUL.

[Coron]

We also know are situation fairly well already, I'm pro "claiming if you think it'd be important to have your claim out there now", but as I see it, we already know the two best moves for today, barring a useful claim, thus we don't need anyone to claim, and it is usually in the town's best interest to not mass-claim when it won't effect what they do.

[Coron]

I'm getting ready to vote for CDB.

[Coron]

I don't see how a claim from me is nessisary or good.

[Coron]

Idiot.

[Coron]

Well, how I see it, and as I've already explained earlier, the kill be CDB is consistantly every other day, while the kill from the other group has been occasional at best, if we lynch someone other than CDB, CDB will win, if we lynch CDB we may or may not still have a chance, but I personally favor no lynch as well. Me claiming will not make a major difference to which one we pick imho.

[Coron]

HH if therewere 2 mafia alive, town couldn't lynch them anyway....

[Coron]

I've explained why lynching CDB is a valid option, at least twice I think.

[Coron]

I said that it's a valid option. That does not mean I'm happy with it. Also, I feel that telling scum what they're up against when it has no benefit for the town is NOT worthwhile.

[Coron]

I honestly haven't decided whether no lynch or lynching CDB is the correct play here. I'm actually starting to lean towards lynching CDB again because if they didn't kill each other we would have to hope that the other scum didn't kill for 3 nights straight in order to win... while to stay alive while lynching CDB, all we'd have to do is hope it doesn't kill once.

[Coron]

Actually 3=2 there. but still.

[Coron]

They've had 2 successful kills on 5 nights as far as I can tell... why would we think they would have a successful kill tonight?
I'm thinking there is a chance that they won't.

[Coron]

They've had 2 successful kills on 5 nights as far as I can tell... why would we think they would have a successful kill tonight?
I'm thinking there is a chance that they won't.

[Coron]

They've had 2 successful kills on 5 nights as far as I can tell... why would we think they would have a successful kill tonight?
I'm thinking there is a chance that they won't.

So what do you think is the better option - no lynch or CDb?

Good question. So good I don't know the answer.

My personal preference however is to try to craft my destiny with my own hands, so really I'd rather lynch.

[Coron]

Well, I forgot about the riddler I must admit, however, I still believe there are 2 scum left, with 3 alive as town that means that both of you are in fact scum.

The question is, if one of you is the riddler, and the other kills at night sometimes, how can I win?

The answer is: Not that easily. somehow both of you have to die, all I can think of is the one guy riddles, while the other guy kills, then the other gets the riddle incorrect, I'm not sure if the other guy would just automatically win since it was 1 v 1 or if he would have to successfully answer the riddle or what?

[Coron]

Following through with this, the answer to the puzzle is: Silence. Funny that that question be asked as I heard it not too long ago.

[Coron]

If you have 2 scum in 2 groups left the game is not over with 3 alive, however in a situation like this it is very hard for town to win.

I wasn't hinting at a power, I simply noted that the other kill had only happened twice or so on a ridiculous number of nights.

[Coron]

Well, at this point I think NL is the best option

vote: NL

[Coron]

The only way voting is a good plan for town is if you seriously think there is only 2 scum in the whole game...

[Coron]

And the scum would only want to get rid of the other scum not the townie really.

[Coron]

HH, how was in not obvious that there were 2 scum? Lolz.

[Coron]

HH, how was in not obvious that there were 2 scum? Lolz.

I'm not sure I follow. We could have had two town and one scum. We barely had any night kills and CDB took credit for a couple of them.

We had two sort of kills that were unaccounted for.
Also, only 2 scum? We had SOME power roles...