Mini 387: Suicide Bombers, GAME OVER (at last)!

[molestargazer]

Well..
Random votes often end up in lynching a townie.. so I'm not going to do that..

What else is there to say?

[molestargazer]

I'm going to agree with the fat ugly mole on this one (that pic is you, right?)

But of course

I'd do a random dice roll on this forum, but I don't know how, so I'll have to random.org it.

How odd.. Random.org also says Twomz. So he must be scum.

Vote: Twomz

[molestargazer]

Hmm.. yeah..

I mean, look at that name... It's just so... scummy...

My vote stands though. Hail the almighty randomness!

[molestargazer]

I'd also like an explanation of a Jester.

It's not on the cool little flash thing

[molestargazer]

The bomb thing could possibly happen - seeing as it's a suicide BOMBER mafia. However, I would've thought that the bomber role would be too powerful if he could plant bombs during the day - of course this depends on the number of bombers.

[molestargazer]

Agreed.

Unvote: Twomz

[molestargazer]

I see what you're saying - however pointing out that could just be letting people know.

[molestargazer]

Vote: ubertimmy

coz he is scum.

And you came to that decision.. how?

You need to let us know before exepcting us to vote for him.

[molestargazer]

Well.. there's not much I can say.

I'm still watching though.

[molestargazer]

I'm here now.

What've I missed? Why are you voting that Chaotic?

[molestargazer]

By the way, who's MGS?

The next big thing is MGS's rise to defend sherlock in post 31.

MGS wrote:
I see what you're saying - however pointing out that could just be letting people know.

In this case, MGS is telling us that sherlock's point is to inform us. However, just in the last page, sherlock accused both TCS and I of being "lynchers" with little evidence. This is tied in with sherlock's post 27 in that he subtly tells us to watch out for the "dangerous" people, TCS and I. Seriously, err on the side of caution? What sort of suggestion is "not voting?" In a way, I think MGS was trying to divert our attention from that aspect.

I was actually saying that in regards to that post only - not a word was said or thought about when it came to the 'other' posts.

What the? He randomly votes even though he just said that he wouldn't. IMO, it has to do something with the "fat ugly mole" exchange he had with sherlock. As a result, there is a slight established connection.

What's that got to do with anything?
I don't hold grudges. I don't see what that's got to do with anything.

OK, I admit, the random vote thing was my mistake. You read Newbie 281, you see how really quite awful my memory is - that was to my downfall, and I hope it doesn't this time.

[molestargazer]

By the way, who's MGS?

The next big thing is MGS's rise to defend sherlock in post 31.

MGS wrote:
I see what you're saying - however pointing out that could just be letting people know.

In this case, MGS is telling us that sherlock's point is to inform us. However, just in the last page, sherlock accused both TCS and I of being "lynchers" with little evidence. This is tied in with sherlock's post 27 in that he subtly tells us to watch out for the "dangerous" people, TCS and I. Seriously, err on the side of caution? What sort of suggestion is "not voting?" In a way, I think MGS was trying to divert our attention from that aspect.

I was actually saying that in regards to that post only - not a word was said or thought about when it came to the 'other' posts.

What the? He randomly votes even though he just said that he wouldn't. IMO, it has to do something with the "fat ugly mole" exchange he had with sherlock. As a result, there is a slight established connection.

What's that got to do with anything?
I don't hold grudges. I don't see what that's got to do with anything. I'm slightly confused there with that 'connection' you're talking about.

OK, I admit, the random vote thing was my mistake. You read Newbie 281, you see how really quite awful my memory is - that was to my downfall, and I hope it doesn't this time.

[molestargazer]

Whoops!

I posted the same thing twice. Damn internet. Sorry all!

[molestargazer]

Whoops!
I'm here!

[molestargazer]

Lurking?
Meh. What with all the site problems and me forgetting to put MafiaScum in my favourites toolbar, my actions could be classed as lurking. I know I've not been very useful, but I'm going to try and rectify that now.

I kinda want to vote for pablito because of the whole "I'd kill me too" thing, and sherlock wasn't lookin' too good.

From previous experience, I used that tactic in my very first ever game of mafia when I was scum. However, it could just be a townie throwing his hands up and saying "Well, yeah, I made a mistake". I don't think it's sufficient evidence to vote for someone, so... yeah!

...on MSG.

Please, call me Mole. I always wonder who MSG is when I see it ^_^

Yes, it was to get things moving. Since MSG had a closer relation with sherlock/pablito at the beginning of the game, I thought sparking some points would get people to talk.

C_D - By the way you continued that push to get me lynched, that to me looks like you were jumping on the excuse that Kelly presented you. When I defended myself with those reasons, you came up with more - which makes me think you wanted me dead.

For this, I'm going to go with Save T- Tamuz's vote.

Vote - Chaotic Diablo

[molestargazer]

Meh.
No worries. MGS it is.

[molestargazer]

C_D - By the way you continued that push to get me lynched, that to me looks like you were jumping on the excuse that Kelly presented you. When I defended myself with those reasons, you came up with more - which makes me think you wanted me dead.

Wagon hopper.

Hopping?
If I remember rightly (which I probably haven't), I haven't voted at all before this - and certainly not in the past few pages. How does this count as hopping?

As for going on a bandwagon - well, yeah. I agree with what STD said about you, and I'm voting for his reasons which I believe to be correct. Perhaps there's a little bit of annoyance in there as well - but you've not proven yourself innocent to me personally yet.

[molestargazer]

Aplogies for the double post, but:

Hopping?
If I remember rightly (which I probably haven't), I haven't voted at all before this - and certainly not in the past few pages. How does this count as hopping?

Unless, of course, the definition of hopping over here is different to the one I think it is

[molestargazer]

Ah, OK. That's clarified then.

I kinda want to vote for C_D because of his shoddy attack on MSG.

There's my reason.

[molestargazer]

I always find it suspicious when someone votes for a person for a particular reason without even mentioning another player who did the exact same thing.

This could merely be the case of a memory thing. My memory is generally awful, and possibly STD forgot that that had happened. I am now trying to get him off the hook, I'm merely throwing out a suggestion.
However, I do know what you mean. It does seem slightly odd, and STD was throwing out suspicions in his first post.

Unvote - Chaotic Diablo

OMGUS

Here's my noob coming to the fore again, but what does OMGUS mean? All I know is 'Oh My God'.

I voted him because he voted for me, and because his logic was crap.

If that's what STD counts as paranoid, then it confuses me why he didn't say this to me or vote for me. However, I'm not going to vote until he's explained what was going on with that, especially after my wagon hopping thing.

FoS - STD

[molestargazer]

Whoops!

Sorry all!

pablito, I think that that vote (which is almost random) doesn't seem helpful in this stage of the game. Surely we need to find who's the scummiest and get this day over with before the deadline, not pick off those who have been voted on before, randomly with a dice roll.

[molestargazer]

*Yawn*
Morning all!

Hey Jack! Mike said to give you a cheer, so... cheer.

Anyway, down to the matter at hand.
I find it odd that no-one has died, although I've never played any mafia variations before. Any ideas, anyone?

[molestargazer]

What do you mean by role fishing? Never heard that term.

However, I'm not asking for people's roles - far from it. I'm just musing aloud, if you like.

[molestargazer]

Well, in regards to that. I've only played one previous game HERE before, and it introduced me to a lot of odd terms I'd never seen before - where I've played before, the most complicated term was FoS.

Posting a lot without accusing people... I found in this game if I did try and accuse, I became lynch fodder. I think your arguments are perfectly sound, and it seems to me like you're just trying to root out the scum, so I'm not even gonna FoS this time.

[molestargazer]

Well, I'm gonna take your advice and actually read TCS's previous posts. I now may be accused of simply voting because of the past, but of course I will take your reasons into account.

I have noticed that he didn't post much at all earlier on apart from when he was accused. To me, lurking springs to mind, however I know that I have been using this tactic as well - so I won't take it into account. Just food for thought.

There was another slightly fishy quote that I had planned to go here, but I can't find it again whilst trawling through the thread. Damn.

I kinda want to vote TCS for his paranoid vote of cardboardbox.

Creamy.

Paranoid? I voted him because he voted for me, and because his logic was crap. Why not vote Tamuz, then? I always find it suspicious when someone votes for a person for a particular reason without even

mentioning

another player who did the exact same thing.

Finally I think I have someone worth voting for.

unvote, vote: Save The Dragons

I find this kind of odd - to me it sorta seems like OMGUS - this happened shortly after I was accused of the same thing. Seems odd to me.

However, I still don't see a crystal clear reason for a vote. Kelly Chen - as I said I took your advice and went to re-read, but surely you could just give us a general reason why you voted?

FoS: Kelly Chen

for refusing to explain her vote - and I can't find any reason in particular why.

Also, throwing a bit of suspicion around: I found a lot of Pablito's posts slightly odd and a little scummy - and one of his latest posts was explaining all of his good ones when no-one commented on it anyway. This was followed by a reply to Dead Rik's comments, almost as an afterthought. Then he jumps on Kelly Chen's vote - looks sorta wagon-hopping-y to me.

FoS: pablito

[molestargazer]

TCS, that was an excellent post. I also liked the way you put yourself in and saw yourself from other points of view - you weren't trying to avoid suspicion.

Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, and we should be lynching the people who are talking the least?

You've got a point, but I think currently we've got more than enough evidence to go off.

good idea.

unvote, vote: Masterchief

Is there any particular reason for that other than you want to lynch an inactive? I don't think you're doing what's best to try and get us a good lynch.

FoS - Pablito

However..

I'm just waiting for something scummy to happen. So far, I see nothing wrong.

I personally think you've got plenty to go off right now, especially if you read back a page. There's even been things happening since you were here.
With that and also your completely useless posts - I've not seen a single one of value - I think I've found my vote.

Vote - Masterchief

[molestargazer]

With that and also your completely useless posts - I've not seen a single one of value - I think I've found my vote.

Vote - Masterchief

Just to clarify.
I've not seen any useful posts since Page 8 of the thread - if you were in before then, my apologies, but I think it's still lynchworthy.

[molestargazer]

No offence meant here, but if you can't see anything at least worth talking about, such as TCS's very good post recently, or Kelly Chen's ideas, then you need to make the font bigger.

If there's no suspicion that you can find - post what you think about people's ideas - anything to help out.

That simply reinforces my vote.

[molestargazer]

Well pablito says he just wants you to comment. It's mole who says you are scummy, which is itself scummy to me.

Why is this scummy?

I have decided that I don't want to lynch inactives or lurkers. I cannot pick out who is scummy myself - even after TCS's excellent post. I decide to vote for the person who helps out least - at least then, if the lynch does go through and Masterchief is town, it won't be as big a loss as if we lynched a very active and thoughtful townie.

[molestargazer]

The Masterchief wagon looks scummy. That is, the specific people voting him.

Do the individual members of the wagon agree with that?

@mole, TCS, pablito

I will agree that I do look very scummy in the eyes of others, taking this from what other people have said, and from TCS's list earlier. I won't comment on the others, but I do understand.

I have explained my reasons, and did my best not to try and use someone else's excuse to vote as I have done before.

However, I doubt there's gonna be 4 scum members.

[molestargazer]

Whoops, I forgot to add this.

My vote still stands. If I see something, I'll look upon it individually and make my decision. I'm going to try not to bandwagon again.

[molestargazer]

@mole: Why do you decline to comment on the scumminess of the other people on the Masterchief wagon?

Because I know from past experience in this game that if you FoS or Vote for someone for someone else's reasons (TCSs, which would be most of what I'd use), then it leads to people thinking I'm more scummy. Obviously, I don't want that.

Mole, why did you FOS Pablito for voting Masterchief, which is what you did right after FOSing Pablito?

Confusing question! Let me have a read back...

Ah, right. I believe it was because Pablito used slightly different reasons for the vote than me, which I disagree with.
He was lynching an inactive - I was lynching someone who's posts contained absolutely no useful content whatsoever. You could argue that they're similar, but that's why.

[molestargazer]

What did I do to deserve Masterchief's ire?

You annoy me. Plain and simple.

And this is enough reason to kill someone, is it? Anyone can be annoying - there could be some annoying doctors or cops, and I feel that I may be being a bit of an annoyance to people. My vote is, again, reinforced.

TCS - Why start a bandwagon for that reason? If it's a joke, I fail to catch it.

[molestargazer]

So where is the Mole in all of this? I'm curious to know what he's forgotten to say.

That's one way of putting it, I guess.

Along with Twito, I'm gonna need to catch up on this game.

Mole, can you give me a list of players from most suspicious to least suspicious? I would be very happy if you did so.

Well, I'm not sure I can compile something like that - however, I will take a flick through the thread again, have a good read, and post what I think about certain people. Hopefully this'll make you happy enough.

In

no particular order

...

TCS

-

My feelings for TCS have bounced up and a down a lot in this game. I don't really know what to think with him. Recently, I do believe he is scummy, after posting about "lol, that's a good game idea", then shortly after discussing starting a "Team building bandwagon on Kelly Chen" for no reason - then on Page 14 trying to reveal StD's role and saying that "If you got guilty, you're insane" - but giving no reason for us to believe that he is town.

StD

-

I'm unsure why exactly you want this list, however there's been nothing recently to suggest to me that you are scum.

Kelly Chen

-

To be honest, I'm unsure why everyone wants to vote for Kelly Chen - but my feelings towards her have also gone mad, up and down. Her reasonings are generally sound - although I'm not sure about the "read it for yourself" reasonings. One problem I've spotted here is that on Post 290, she asked people who she suspected if agreed with her that they are scum - surely a strange question because everyone would obviously say no. I understand that this post about Kelly Chen has been a bit up-and-down, but that's what I think - even if it is a bit muddled.

Pablito

-

Well it is your action because you're allowed to choose to be lazy or you're allowed to choose to not be lazy. You obviously chose to be lazy and I respect that choice, and in fact, I'm currently thinking you're more pro-town than ever because of it. But my whole argument has been that you have chosen something. We keep arguing about our perceptions of words, but I think our perceptions of alignment have stayed stable lately. So I hope this argument can be dropped soon.

Basically, this means that pablito is saying "I don't mind you being lazy and not contributing - in fact, that means you're pro-town". I find this slightly odd. Pablito is the one who has set my scum alarms going off a fair bit recently.

Yeah, still not liking Kelly Chen's reactions to everything.

Can you give us some examples?

Just for that, vote: masterchief

Then unvote, vote: the central scrutinizer

Here (Post 256). He never actually gave any reasoning for his vote - all he said after was thanking TCS.

Masterchief

-

Owch. Even after me voting for him for not contributing, I still find nothing that could help out from Page 12. He gave an excuse of being lazy - an awful one in my opinion.

Twito

-

See masterchief. Nothing of use since Page 9 - although he did say he would be inactive for xmas and new year, I'm hoping to see something from him soon.

Jack & Dead Rik

-

I see nothing here but people trying to help out, and saying what they think.

I guess that about sums it up. If there's anything I've forgotten, I'll add it on.

[molestargazer]

I didn't mean to ask people if they thought they were scum. I meant to ask them if they thought the

other

people, on the bandwagon with them, were likely to be scum.

Ah, right. I see. It's all good.

molestargazer, since you already did the job of analizing player by player why don't you start our game and point the three scummiest (or the three you wouldn't mind lynching) and why and then points who would you like to be the next.

1. Pablito - See above
2. Masterchief - See above
3. TCS - See above

There's no other players that I didn't include there which I think would be scummy.

Next, I'd like to see yours, Dead Rik.

[molestargazer]

Well, looks like it's gone quiet. I've posted my ideas - what does everyone else think about my 3 "people I wouldn't mind lynching"?

Oh, and now I can..

Unvote - Masterchief

[molestargazer]

Simply because it was irrelevant. I still believe he is scummy, but I'm ready to embrace the view of others - and go for who I think would be a better choice. I will obviously revote if anything happens or my mind changes (which it does a lot!).

[molestargazer]

Did I say that?

The lynch won't work. He's explained himself, and most of you think that's fine. In my opinion, now there's no point.
I believe that there's no point in voting when I myself have said I believe other players to be scummy.

[molestargazer]

I'm here, just sleepy. I didn't see myself get called on the list-suspicious-people thing, though. I'll get something together.

For #3 I'll pick

neongrey

. Her posts are empty. When I singled her out for commenting on CD's shoplifting metaphor but nothing else, she replies:

Yeah, I felt like commenting on that, because it seemed entirely tangential. To be perfectly frank, I'm more inclined to look at -you- for how you ran with it so far.

Look, he practically yelled 'look, a distraction!' at you and you not only looked at the distraction, you ambled along after it.

That -is- suspicious to me, on both your parts, him for trying to throw you off track like that, and you for letting him.

Way to cast suspicion around and also not take a side. Not to mention that I never commented on the shoplifting metaphor slash distraction at all.

neongrey

goes next.

>.>

[molestargazer]

Just posting to apologize for my absence and explain.

A few days ago, I came down with a virus which is going round - I probably won't be on for a few more days again.

[molestargazer]

Before replacing neongrey, I would also like to draw your attention to Save the Dragons - he also seems to be inactive, unless there's an explanation that I've missed out on.

neongrey's last post - 405

Flat-out, I didn't see it.

I've been busy with homework this week, and won't have time tonight, but I will do something up this weekend.

I don't think we should be replacing when she's coming back - but then that's not up to me.

Save the Dragon's last post - 391

Just take a break for a day and come back to scum later or something. If you're "fking up," and there's a personal issue for it, try to deal with it. If it's because you're overloaded on games, do half one day and half another. If it's just a phase, then it will pass. Please do not try to hurt the town by requesting a lynch.

That is all.

In this post he was talking to Twito. Nothing scummy.

[molestargazer]

Of course, when she mentioned "this weekend," she meant "last weekend," because that post was a week ago.

My bad.

[molestargazer]

Woah. Too long! I've not read it all, but I've picked out a few bits that I'd like to comment on.

Any quotes with no name are probably Twito from his long post. If not... sorry. I'm too lazy to type them ALL out fully.

Sticking to what other ppl say instead of saying something of his own.

1) I'm 14, I'm unable to pick out things with a great mind yet. It'll come in time.
2) We need 6 people to lynch. Are you expecting that 6 different people come up with 6 DIFFERENT reasons for lynching, with 6 DIFFERENT pieces of evidence?

Well.. there's not much I can say.

I'm still watching though.

This kinda posts I find as scummy.

Why?

*Yawn*
Morning all!

Hey Jack! Mike said to give you a cheer, so... cheer.

Anyway, down to the matter at hand.
I find it odd that no-one has died, although I've never played any mafia variations before. Any ideas, anyone?

Fking scumbag! You know why!

No, I don't know actually. Shortly after that someone said I was rolefishing, but I wasn't. That's the only thing I can find there. That's just an insult.

He did vote on Masterchief for that along with Pablito. But why FoS Pablito?

I don't think you're doing what's best to try and get us a good lynch.

FoS - Pablito

Ask question, get answer.

Sticking to what other ppl say instead of saying something of his own.

See above.

I'm on board. Masterchief, you're going to have to say something. Maybe you will with three votes.

vote: Masterchief

GOOOOD!

You didn't say that when I voted. Any particular reason (lol, I'm NOT jealous! )?

underbusthrowingmanover

What the f..?

MSG kinda attacking MC.

Problem?

About the time to get of your scumbuddys back?

See below.

Dirty bitchass scumbag you are with your buddy.
Don't you try to plant a bomb on me!

>.>

Sooooo, you think he's scummy but you're going to wait and see what the popular opinion is and then go with that?

I love the way you play Jack. <3 *hugs*

I don't know if you noticed, but shortly after he said that he misread what I said and that isn't the case. If you love the way he plays, there you go.

Now then.
Time for me to stop dithering and to make some decisive action. You all think I'm scum - fair enough, I've made more than my fair share of cock-ups. There's not much more I can say. I'm a clumsy person.

Vote: Masterchief

I'm fairly sure that your immediate reaction to this will be "OMG! He's voting for his scum buddy now he's been found out to try and make himself look pro-town!", or ">.<. Bandwagon." If you weren't going to say it, it certainly would have crossed my mind had I been in your place. Well this is not the case.

I'm going back to my previous argument that he has made absolutely no useful posts whatsoever to help out the town. To me, that seems both scummy, and if he isn't scum, it's gonna be no great loss. At least I'm trying here, cut me some slack!

Only Twito can turn a conversation to drugs and alcohol...

Useless.

Vote: MC
Cuz he never reads any of the posts and makes a perfect lynch today.
However I will unvote if he quotes this and by doing so proves me wrong.
I'm pretty sure that's not gonna happen. Lets just lynch him.

Why do you do this in every game?? Also, what proof do you have that I am scum?

He's posted the reasons why.. we can all see his proof.

Well for me you have already done that.

This post is saying that Twito has done enough things to be on MC's scum radar - but we don't get any examples. Useless.

And no not participating isn't my action. I simply am too lazy to read many of the posts.

Well then you're no help to us.

[molestargazer]

Not stopping in for long, just need to set this straight:

But if you're wrong about MC, this won't prove anything about mole.

From what you've said, you've got all the proof you need. Give me a chance to lynch a scum.

[molestargazer]

So, basically what you're saying is that it's better for the town for Kelly Chen and I to constantly be at each others' throats to the exclusion of all other considerations? Have I read you correctly?

That's not how I took it, although what I think might be complete rubbish. To me it seems like he's saying that you're playing at distancing, which admittedly I had not thought of before - I need more practice.

I'm starting to feel happier with a mole lynch than a TCS one. If anyone was thinking about moving to TCS, let's speak up and talk about it...

Well, obviously, I'm going to speak up on my own behalf here. Could you please repost a few reasons as for this so I can explain them?

My vote for Masterchief stands.

[molestargazer]

Well, obviously, I'm going to speak up on my own behalf here. Could you please repost a few reasons as for this so I can explain them?

My vote for Masterchief stands.

Your Masterchief vote is your only serious vote so far (the other two being random or semi-OMGUS if I remember), and it doesn't even seem to be based on the belief that he's scum. It seems like a convenient lynch to advocate. Even if he's town, given the reasons you're voting him, his lynch should have no risk of making you look bad.

I get that you're newbish, but I think you could be scum too.

Well..
The other two being random or Semi-OMGUS... I have voted for Masterchief before, but unvoted. That was for similar reasons as to this one. I can't remember the other one, but chances are it was Random or Semi-OMGUS as you said. I've not played well.

I really do think he's scum, from the minimum amount that he's posting (As if to try and post just enough to survive) and the way that when he does post, it doesn't help out at all.
What I'm saying is that if we do lynch him and find he's town (Doubtful, in my opinion), it's gonna be no big loss.

[molestargazer]

I really do think he's scum, from the minimum amount that he's posting (As if to try and post just enough to survive) and the way that when he does post, it doesn't help out at all.
What I'm saying is that if we do lynch him and find he's town (Doubtful, in my opinion), it's gonna be no big loss.

I feel like I stated this. Don't have time to find it now but I'd like to see the post where you vote MC and what you state as reasons. I'm pretty sure these reasons are not the same ones.

It's a bit too long to quote, so.. Clicky.

I see we're slowly running out of time here.
Depending on what happens by maybe tomorrow, I'll be taking a good long look at the TCS wagon and reasoning, and decide. I want to get a good lynch done in this day.

[molestargazer]

Let's see if I can entice an OMGUS to get myself hammered, a vote on clearly the most useless useful person in this game.

>.>

I learnt my lesson on hammering in my newbie game, and I try my very hardest not to OMGUS vote. I'm not going to make the same mistake and perhaps get myself lynched tomorrow.

[molestargazer]

I guess that would mean that Twito, DR, and mole all are unwilling to vote TCS over a NL.

Not really, no.
I'd be perfectly willing, and in fact I was going to do so today, to vote for TCS so the town get a lynch, and some good info out of it.

However...

Honestly, if it gets to the point where it looks like a no-lynch is probable, I'd rather you guys just lynch me. Then at least the town gets some information and one less element confusing the issue Day 3.

This seems like a very town reaction to me, noting the fact that if he dies and it helps to lynch scum, he wins with the town. If I were mafia, it's not something that I would do - especially if we were getting closer than ever to deadline and the town needed a lynch.

I guess that would mean that Twito, DR, and mole all are unwilling to vote TCS over a NL.

At that point when you posted, there were 3, maybe 2 days to the past deadline. Surely you didn't think that we wouldn't be active enough at that time so we couldn't change our votes if needed?

The KC wagon.. meh. I find it slightly confusing, with no reasoning explained - and yet I can see why (If that makes sense!). I'll be going out soon, and my daily Virus Scan's come up with a trojan horse downloader, so I'd better be off for now. I'll make my decision as to a lynch vote later - I don't think the MC one's going to work, and I want to help the town get a lynch. Perhaps some more evidence will come up whilst I'm out.

[molestargazer]

I'm not sure why there isn't more support for the Masterchief lynch.

Then join us on it.
I really think he is scum, he's rarely posted at all, and his posts have been worth absolutely nothing.

However, I do very much agree with HH's analasis of KC. It's what I was trying to say, said. And I'm not just saying that - KC's style had me very confused - he's unscrambled it.

No, that's my excuse for why I only have two people on the list, not for why I could be wrong. My excuse for being wrong is that I suck.

When I came here, from what I read around, you seem to be something of a legend. Or maybe that's because you were one of the first names I read when I flicked through the wiki or something.
To me, this post seems slightly scummy, almost trying to excuse being wrong - we're all wrong at one time or another, and we all make mistakes. Some more than most. Yes, I'm looking at myself. For those of you who think I'm scummy, and according to HH, I think it's similar to my supposed "kind of newbie card".

that will clear a few people since I doubt scum can afford to sacrifice any of their own.

I think any lynch will clear some people and throw others into doubt right now. Apart from, obviously, a no lynch.

Seriously, guys, you should really take a look at Jack tomorrow. I'm just sayin' bro.

I don't really see why.

My vote is still the same. MC, I really think is scum.

[molestargazer]

I really do think he's scum, from the minimum amount that he's posting (As if to try and post just enough to survive) and the way that when he does post, it doesn't help out at all.
What I'm saying is that if we do lynch him and find he's town (Doubtful, in my opinion), it's gonna be no big loss.

From MC's posts I don't get the impression that he was trying to post just enough to survive. I get the impression that he wasn't going to contribute and didn't care if we knew it.

If you forget about him being no big loss in any case, does he still seem like a good lynch? I don't think so.

An interesting question... and one that's definitely getting me thinking.
I generally make up my posts as I'm going along, apart from maybe the really big ones, so excuse me if this seems a little muddled.

If that thing about him being no big loss was cast aside... I would probably say that it depends on the situation.
If we were deadline-less, and perhaps if I'd read TCS' posts more carefully than I currently have done (I'm going to have to attempt (and probably fail) to re-read the last few pages), I would say no, it wasn't. I would, in that case, say that we had all the time we needed to assess people's styles and what they say, and get ourselves a good lynch.
But we've got a deadline. We're under a little pressure - 8 days from where I'm sitting (GMT). We could spend all day (If you'll pardon the term) talking about it, thrashing out a really great lynch that would work. We need to get a lynch over and done with, and unless I re-read and find something extra-scummy from TCS which I could vote for.

I understand your comment, and believe it's a great one - but for now, my vote stands.
I'll try and do a re-read of the past few pages and attempt to get it all clear in my head.

[molestargazer]

Lo!
I, of course, shall

Unvote: Masterchief / Brutal Assassin

I really did think that MC w as scum, however I have been told that that was his general play style. Unvoting's gonna give me some more time to think about a good lynch, and analyse people's posts slightly more.

[molestargazer]

*Yawn*
Morning all!

Hey Jack! Mike said to give you a cheer, so... cheer.

Anyway, down to the matter at hand.
I find it odd that no-one has died, although I've never played any mafia variations before. Any ideas, anyone?

Blatent role fishing, and what I belief to be a fake lack of knowledge of the game. Basic Mafia knowledge dictates the most likely reason for a no kill is a doctor.

However, I'm not asking for people's roles - far from it. I'm just musing aloud, if you like.

Scumscumscumscumscum.

WTF?

I'm sorry, but that's just picking things out in my play that are maybe just a mistake, or a little bit scummy, and using them as part of a very long reason to vote for me.

In no way, shape or form in that first post did I ask for any roles. This is a theme game, it might have an odd setup that I hadn't picked up on.

I'd just like to say the extensive use of "mountains out of molehills" is highly suspicious. TCS said it once, as did Pablito. Strange phrase to use multiple times.

I don't really see how that could be a connection...

lmfao, he asks why Pablito is wanting to lynch MC then he goes on to jump on the wagon. wtf.

Pablito didn't give reasons for it. I did. 'Nuf said.

and the way he words it is highly suspicious.

That's the way I type/speak. Like it or lump it.

Randomly came out of no-where with the whole masterchief attack too

I had voted for him before - it's not out of nowhere. You don't expect me to make a few posts musing about it before voting?

The last line is a classic line, where he makes an "inside information" tell.

Eh?
I was using logic - from my little experience, I doubt there's gonna be 4 scum in a game this size.

I'm not saying all of your arguments are shoddy - there's some really awful messups in my playing style in this game, and no doubt I'll have to adapt.
However... I appreciate you making that long post (Even if most of it is trying to condemn me to the noose ), and it's a decent, if not slightly aggressive, analasis of my play. However, you're making a mistake - or maybe I made the mistakes and now I'm paying for it. We'll see.

[molestargazer]

OK, I'm very near to death - let's have a good shot at rectifying some mistakes, and setting some things straight.

First of all...

I don't really see how that could be a connection...

You are

mole

stargazer. That's the connection.

I was meaning I don't really see how that means that I could be scum, or if he was mafia, why he would use that phrase so often.

MSG - have you addressed this post yet? If not, please do, doo be do bee do.

Whoops!

Sorry all!

pablito, I think that that vote (which is almost random) doesn't seem helpful in this stage of the game. Surely we need to find who's the scummiest and get this day over with before the deadline, not pick off those who have been voted on before, randomly with a dice roll.

Your vote was random. I think that at that stage of the game, we had plenty evidence to lynch without a random diceroll. Yes, it worked - but at the time, I didn't think that was the best way of going about things.

MSG do you feel that my voting patterns have been erratic and unhelpful

No. Simply a slight... over-keenness (I know that's not a word) to see a lynch when they should be made properly and decisively - for example:

LYNCH! LYNCH! WAGON! WAGON!

I think you see my point.
If it's a joke, I always fail to see sarcasm over the ol' interweb.

but CLAIM unvote: MSG for now

I presume this means you want me to claim?
I am a TOWNIE. What else can I say? I know no more than you, and my playing style so far has been 't3h phail'. I hope to change that from now on.

I know if I don't explain myself properly, as I haven't done so far, then the deadline's gonna get nearer and nearer and mole's gonna become lynch fodder.
I currently feel that trying to accuse anyone else in my state isn't going to work. It would simply be seen as a distraction (Or at least, that's how I'd see it), and if I got something even slightly wrong, then I would end up being lynched.

Newbie games are there to give "newbies" experience so it comes to no surprise that his play and terminology might seem correct at first. As the game progressed, you can see more faults to his playstyle, like every other newbie.

I'm going to admit, perhaps another newbie game would have been more benficial. I've learnt my lesson now, and I'm no longer going to type my posts as I go along - one major flaw in my playstyle which has led to this, IMO.

What is "camel fat to feed the masses"?

I'd also like to know this. I don't have a clue.

[molestargazer]

vote: MSG

Camel fat is what they serve in kebabs in the middle east. It's cheap and plentiful.

Why the vote?
Seems slightly odd to vote for me just because I didn't know about Camel fat.

[molestargazer]

err he's been voting you for a while.

So he has.
OK, I'll rephrase it.

Why'd you have to say it again when you're already voting?

[molestargazer]

err he's been voting you for a while.

So he has.
OK, I'll rephrase it.

Why'd you have to say it again when you're already voting?

*Sigh*
I didn't read. Jack, it's all your fault.

He unvoted earlier to avoid a hammer on me. Now I've claimed, he's voted again.
My post didn't change much then, huh?