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It's either a day-killer or a time-delay NK. I don't think we can draw conclusions about it yet though. Let's play tight, not wander around in the murky mud of speculation just yet. Good play "day" 1 usually seems to be about digging away til someone acts scummy, and forcing everyone to make a call on that player, so there's patterns to look at later.Totem wrote:I am here.
Why somebody wanted to quickly kill Twito? And what kind of uber powerful role is this?-
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This is true. I'm still voting ubertimmy and will until he explains or apologises, or someone else does something awful. Also, his stated opinion that "Totem and Ogre are scum together, possibly Aelyn or JERRY as a partner" certainly hasn't helped his case from my perspective - perhaps if he explains why?MeMe wrote:As for your thinking in 48 & 53 -- they included neither Adelenorme but I've now been labeled "stubborn" while Adele, who's kept her vote right where it's been for more than week, still escapes notice.-
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Well, things are awfully quiet around here now - it's been 36 hours since the last post, nearly 48 since the last content.
I ought to mention that I never actually called Aelyn and shouted at him. Well, between the mod not confirming she's ok with it and him working when I'm free and me working when he's free, it just didn't happen. I just thought I ought to clarify that point - and the point that, according to Seol (who lives in the same city) he's got no connection atm.
In a couple of hours, I'll shout at him.
It's a real shame, in a way, because I joined this game to play with him (and MeMe, who I've been wanting to play with again for about a year now; Bugsy was so incredibly fanstastic - for me, not so much for her, heh).
evilandy, I'll chime in whenever it takes my fancy because I'm a pushy cow. Always have been, probably always will be. If that's going to get you into a strop, then I guess that's just my cross to bear. To date, no-one's managed to change my ways.-
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I don't know if "always" is an applicable qualifier to a single incident. We've only played togetherSailor Jerry wrote:Nobody was supporting him - not even Adele, and she always thinks I'm scumonce; it'd be like be boasting "I always beat MeMe". Well, I got lucky once (overpowered town) and you acted like a belligerent moron once. I hardly see why you'd want to bring that up unless you reallyareangling for a "get out of jail free" card this time round. If so, stop. If and when I attack you, it's not rendered illogical by the fact that I've been on your lynch once before.
Grr. 3am is BAD time to annoy me.
...with... possibly entirely neutral frivolous and harmless comments...
But possibly NOT and I can't tell right now so I'll post anyway like a moron-
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No, I don't. More to the point, I don't thinkWldHrtCgd08 wrote:Cant risk the identity theft. You understand.youdo. There's real things you need to be aware of, and then there's petulance; like taking part in the "War against Terrorism" by reciting Power Ballads during the news.
Me, I'm like, "The Horror, people here can figure out who I am - what with me being the sister of other players an' all - The Horror". Seriously, though, how does this expose you to identity theft in ways that, say, eating in a diner or ever telling anyone your name doesn't? I'm just sayin', it's not like we give Mith our credit card details. If that's your excuse (and you're gonna tell me that you have a tattoo of a heart in a cage, which is like aninviteto set a PI on your tail) expect my ridicule.
If, on the other hand, you said that to set the bar low on your logic in this game, I'm afraid it won't work. Even if you really believe that - even if you believe rainbows are made of candy floss - I'm gonna expect as much logic from what you say as everyone else.
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That's a false dilemma; it's perfectly possible that all three are trueevilandy wrote:Yes, welcome WldHrtCgd08. Please ignore any rants from Adele. I'm not sure what her beef is. Maybe she has spent the last 2 years locked up and made to wear an orange boiler suit. Or maybe she like the rest of us is just locked in her own little mental cage and likes to rattle her bars every now and then to prove she is still alive.
Personally I think she is most likely the scum partner of Sailor Jerry.
Mostly my beef was that it was five am and the worldreallyshould revolve around not letting me hear of peoples' foibles at that time. It'sjust not fair.
Back to sanity: Wld, I'm not accusing you of being scum. I'm saying that your identity theft comment (I'm also immune to humour at 5 am) was silly and I wouldn't use that as a reason to excuse other silliness.
If you're wondering why I'm vaguely sane now, it's because I'm upat5am this time, not uptil5 am. Duh.
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Correct, I'm trying to change the direction of conversation - I say as much in the post, and why. Speculation distracts from our core task ---> let's not speculate.Ameliaslay wrote:I’m having mixed reactions about this half of the post…
I tended to agree with Adele here, when she posted this. Too much d1 speculation tends to detract from what should be our main focus: scum hunting. And so I’m really curious why you brought it up again… Is it genuine curiousity? Are you lacking in ideas on the subject yourself… or are you attempting to change the direction of conversation?adele wrote:It's either a day-killer or a time-delay NK. I don't think we can draw conclusions about it yet though. Let's play tight, not wander around in the murky mud of speculation just yet.
O/T: Wld, are you in Gossip Mafia on GL? I gotta wise up
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Try harder, SJ. You expect everyone to post exactly why they suspect you, post attacks on other players too for parity, and all you have to do is say "oh yeah, that's not proof"? If you wanna defend yourself, you have everything you need right there in the thread - and it's not everyoneelse'sjob to trawl through and summarise it for you.
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So, you don't even care about what's good play, what's good for your team; you only want to follow the easy route? I'd recommend you look into other forums to play this game on. I hear they have lower standards elsewhere.Sailor Jerry wrote:
I don't have any special desire to defend myself, in all honesty. I tend to find it easier to just claim.Adele wrote:If you wanna defend yourself, you have everything you need right there in the thread - and it's not everyoneelse'sjob to trawl through and summarise it for you.-
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If we should back off someone because they straight-up tell us that they refuse to contribute (rather than, for example, lurking), what tactic do you think will be picked up by the scum? I can't trust someone who refuses to play the game, and I don't trust you. I believe that you're scum with a bad attitude.-
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Wldcrd defends SJ. Wldcrd defends SJ. Tide turns harder against SJ, and suddenly Wldcrd is totally up for denouncing him... but not voting him. I agree with evilandy. SJ + Wldcrd makes aubertimmy wrote:WHOA. Just reread the page, and uh, Evilandy, what are you TALKING about? WldHrt votes totem... so you attack her for suspecting Sailor Jerry? I can KINDA see that you get that logic there, but.... it really sucks.lotof sense to me... SJ + totem less so. I'm currently pretty sure that SJ's scum. Call it a hunch, call it the fact that he refuses to stop acting scummy on the grounds that it's not a scumtell forhimto act scummy, and we should all be adjusting around his playstyle (which he can't explain the benefits of, like BJ or Fritz'd be able to).-
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Hmm. The wording of that suggests to me that there may possibly be a second cop, searching for a different quality. If so, that'd mean 2 partial-cops and 2 masons at least... plus, probably, a doc (since that's the only reason I can really see to throw in a mafia RB). It may, of course, be just 1 partial-cop, 2 masons and a doc.Mariyta wrote:Evilandy, Fluff,, shot Day 2gender cop
Either way, I think that's all the power roles that town's likely to get in a balanced game, so obviously doc shouldn't claim unless in dire peril, same goes for the mason... but if thereisa second cop, I think they'd be the SK-hunter. If they think they have viable info, then it's useful to the town and not too huge a sacrifice for that cop to come out (since the act'll make him essentially vanilla and he won't be a particular danger to the mafia). Of course, again, that's unlikely. So, I think there won't be any power claims today. That's my guess.
Sorry that this post was setup-guessing. I'll start looking for associations asap, and in the meantime, I'd really like to hear what everyone else thought -especiallySpectrumvoid (welcome to the game, btw!)-
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The "Chippendale" status of SJ's made me think the same. I don't disagree - I meant that evilandy could detect mafia, not anti-town alignment. A partial cop (3 quarters).
I also agree that my speculation hasn't done me, personally, any good. And, looking at the player list, I don't think it's likely that anyone'd make the mistake of an unnecessary doc-claim... but I've seen stranger (and dumber) things in my time from experienced players.-
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Well, did Ameliaslay know that pro-town RBs are much more common? Scum RBs'd stick in the mind more and so you might just vaguely remember seeing one or two good RBs in minis but more bad RBs, you know? So it could easily have been an honest error.MeMe wrote:But I disagree that's more "relevant to the point" anyway. Here's the quote to which I referred...
...since more than 75% of the time in mini games roleblockersAmeliaslay wrote:Well, I wasn't really feeling the SJ lynch... but the idea of "pro-town" roleblockers always make me pause.arepro-town, it didn't make any sense that the idea of them would make anyone pause. And when you consider the fact that Amelia claimed not to be considering SJ scummy enough to lynchuntilhis claim, well -- it still looks off to me.-
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It's been a week since the thread came back up. I'm pretty sure this is the play for today.Adele wrote:
Wldcrd defends SJ. Wldcrd defends SJ. Tide turns harder against SJ, and suddenly Wldcrd is totally up for denouncing him... but not voting him. I agree with evilandy. SJ + Wldcrd makes aubertimmy wrote:WHOA. Just reread the page, and uh, Evilandy, what are you TALKING about? WldHrt votes totem... so you attack her for suspecting Sailor Jerry? I can KINDA see that you get that logic there, but.... it really sucks.lotof sense to me...
Vote: WldHrtCgd08
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Really? I read it more as laying the ground for when the real doc counterclaimed (which he/she shouldn't, obv).theopor_COD wrote:
Would we have two Doctors? Unlikely I think. Seems like your making a defence for when you don't get killed as a Doc claim would expect at night. I think it's bullshit to be honestAndrewS wrote: I'm hoping that there's another doc in this game so that I'm not nightkilled.-
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Ouch. I hold replacements accountable for their predecessor's actions (except lurking). Why replace in if you can't shoot a defence from the hip?AndrewS wrote:Quite frankly, I've claimed and I can't defend myself against the actions of another player. I have no idea what she was thinking. Therefore, I have nothing else to say.
Oh yeah... because I asked you to. Well, sorry. You did me, fellow scummer (in forum terms ) a favour; doesn't change what I require of you in-game.-
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Yes, but the SK would probably have wanted to keep a goon around as long as possible, to reduce the number of days (s)he has to survive...MeMe wrote:theopor, are you accusing Amelia of being SK or mafia?
I think that's we're probably down to just a single killer -- daytime SK -- and that there were no deaths last night because (s)hecan'tkill at night.
Although, of course, the SK would have to guess who the scum were, like everyone else (but then again, we did guess correctly last night).
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I'm not gonna quote my pm here (what with that being against the rules and all), but
I'm Julie. I'm in the Jubilee routine - in fact I'm the newest member and I'm very nervous about messing it up. I can go round anyone's place in the day and convince them to watch me go through the routine and tell me if I make any mistakes.
It's not clear if we're meant to claim role powers or not, but I'm safe from NKs if I target pro-town players and die if I target scum; a type of hider, I guess.-
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I find that really confusing and am suspicious as a rule of anyone who suggests their own lynch; wouldn't you prefer a no-lynch, Shanba?
I'll try again tomorrow to reread and decipher it all, but there do seem to be some assupmtions in there that seem of the "ok now, but when we hit LyLo we'll revisit the possibilities and panic" variety; am I happy with the idea of clearing someone on the basis of roleclaim alone? Roleclaims are great when it comes to godawful claims that show someone up to be scum; no so great for excellent claims that we're inclined to believe, because some people are good at fake-claiming or are given fake claims by the mod.
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The fact she ignored Totem's direct question, maybe? That's never great.
Maybe because if we lynched her, then someone died at night (for example if I target theo and he's the SK) then it's a race to whether the lynch goes through in the morning before or after the daykill that'd lose the game the town. So, it'd be really unwise for me to target you tonight because if youarethe SK then that's a town loss. So the plan doesn't work?
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But as she herself says, if we no-lynch then the plan doesn't work, because we'd've not eliminated her from our enquiries. Unless she's hoping a good-faith indication that she'd be willing to be lynched would carry her through once we established that we can'tubertimmy wrote:unless we no-lynch.actuallylynch her.
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A no-vanilla game's not that unusual. A one-vanilla game, much less so, but it could be justified on the grounds that, no role's repeated (excepting masons obv). A two-vanilla game seems intuitively really odd; it's inelegant.
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Unless you knew you could tell the mod to daykill someone in the opening scene. Or if the mod gets a pm from the SK dated earlier than the lynch it backdates and the daykill goes through instead.Totem wrote:I have a plan: ( Adele is killed when she hides with SK, right? do we know that?)
1. Adele says who she picks to hide with.
2. we all quickly vote nolynch
3a. If Adele is dead during the day we know who the SK is !
3b. If Adele is all right she quickly picks another target and before Sk strikes we all vote nolynch
... repeat. (there is no mafia left, each DAY we sleep safely. It's nights we need to be affraid)
the additionall benefit is each night I will look for work and maybe my ability will give us extra information.
That's why I've been interested how DELAYED sk works.
(oh, and if I were Sk I will definitely not be shareing this plan with you.)
Even if neither of those are true, it sounds like you're betting the house on whether the SK is in the mod's timezone, or reacts quicker than the median player.
I'd rathertryto win this game. This is like saying "playing the stockmarket's too hard; I'll just spend my life savings on lottery tickets"-
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Yes, actually, I'd ask the same.Shanba wrote:Ho hum. Timmy's case is interesting, but I'm wary of voting based on flavour alone. Timmy, I notice earlier you said that Adele has shown a lot of tells. Could you list them for me?
Oh wait. I did.
Now then.Adele, post 337, March 9th, wrote:
Such as?ubertimmy wrote:Adele in particular has shown a lot of tells.
Erm, what questions? Whether I'll die if I hide with the SK (yes)? What else? Which did I miss?ubertimmy wrote:Adele, why won't you answer my questions?
[quotew="ubertimmy"]Shanba is probably not the day SK, her flavor is real,[/quote]Distrusting someone becuase of their claim is sometimes okay. Trusting someone because their claim "makes sense" is a very foolish move. Myself, I find Shanba's claim singularly unconvincing - but then I've never seen this surivior show, as I'm British.
Becauseubertimmy wrote:I'm sure of this, sure enough to stake the game on it.
So this means it's Theopor or Adele.you'resure enough,we'remeant to be, too? And, um remind me - when were you cleared exactly?
At this point, I have no intention of doing so.ubertimmy wrote:TONIGHT, Adele, you MUST target theo with your ability.
Because your plan bites.
It assumes that you are town, that Shanba's town, and that theo isn't an SK that can put through an immedi-kill.
It bites, dude.
And I think you know it.
I think ubertimmy is the SK. I never did any research into everybodies' claims because I didn't have to make a claim up. I imagine once I've researched the matter as fully as ubertimmy has ("on a hunch"), I'll find some Julie connected to Jubilee, but I don't have ten hours to throw down the pan this week. If and when I do, I'll see if I can find out who Fluff, Laine and Candi Kane are, too.
Oh, and Totem, I'm in the sameshowas Amelia -ifthat claim's even true.
btw, everybody, my LOS:
ubertimmy - 66% and rising with every desperate and illogical attack
totem - 20% - enough that I'm not ready to vote for ubertimmy - yet.
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In the first quoted portion, I'm saying that I think it's unwise to get bogged down in an unsettleable question day one, when we could, instead, be productive. Oh noes! How scummy for me to suggest something that makes perfect sense.
In the second, you'll note that I'm saying that if anyone can detect the SK, they either have the SK and can get that person lynched, or can't and should stay safe under the radar. Not everyone's necessarily familiar with partial cops. It's a useful summary of what's probably going on, and I'm, again, suggesting we get the game moving rather than wait around for a game that won't or shouldn't come.
So in fact, both of the "tells" you point to helped make those days (marginally) more effective scumhunting days.
Out of curiosity, is the "crapload" of research the same as the research that took "about 3 minutes"? You seem to be adjusting implied workload to suit your changing argument.
As far as "confirmed" goes... I'll have to reread and do some research. But let's not forget that SKs usually have perks; when someone acts as scummy as uber, I'm very very hesitant to give out some free cards. I've seen too many games lost because someone's "obviously" confirmed butactuallyevil (for example Buffy as an SK).
Isn't amelia your nameclaim? So, yes, I'm in the same show that you, amelia, claimed. And, doing some research, it looks like the routine that Theorpor's in "At Ballys" is also probably Jubileeubes wrote:And, Adele, you're in the same show AS ME. Not amelia, ME.
- that's the show Jubilee at the venue Ballys danced in by me, uber and theorpor, plus who knows how many of the dead players.-
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