Mini 393- Vegas Showgirls- Game Over! Showgirls Win!

[evilandy]

Hi all. This is my second dance related theme in as many games. And I can't dance (although for the purposes of sustaining flavour please assume that I can).

And twito, IGMEOY!

[evilandy]

Early wagons are fun.

I concur.

vote: evilandy

I don't! Or do I?

vote MeMe

[evilandy]

Hmmm.

unvote MeMe

Whether MeMe enjoys quick bandwagons or not I think I've lost my bottle.

[evilandy]

Sorry Totem but you are wrong. My comment was not setting up a role claim, merely pointing out the conincidence of being in two dance games in a row.

And I agree with Twito in that your vote seems pretty contrived.

[evilandy]

I think Totem has a point. Its difficult to tell the intention of a textual message and it is only page 2.

However Totem I'd like to ask why not just question my post rather than vote me for it? Your behavour is rather inflamatory. And what did you think my role claim might be? If it was pro-town then surely it would be better for you to keep quiet and sit on the info? And if it was not pro-town then why would I bread-crumb it anyway? I don't see the logic. Please explain...

[evilandy]

Let me admit why I changed my random vote. I was a bit ashamed of my previous 'sounds German, must be evil' reason. Furthermore 'german' could also fit ubertimy and even sailor jerry.

LOL. I thought your german comment could have been interpretted as offensive by some, but I hadn't thought of the German connections with the other two names. You must have some kind of Tourette's typing syndrome.

And is "Adele" German sounding?

Anyway, please don't just sit quietly. We need active players (my last game was dead even before it died).

[evilandy]

...
However...

FOS: ubertimmy

This is now the second time that he has tried to quick lynch someone with little or no reasoning.

This looks like a piece of exageration to me. Maybe Ubertimmy was a bit hasty on the first bandwagon but according to my votecount Totem wasn't on any votes when Ubertimmy placed the vote on him.

FOS Ogre

and it will probably become a vote unless someone explains how I got this wrong...

[evilandy]

WTF! I've never seen this before - a kill midday (or in this case midnight).

[evilandy]

I'm not sure that anything that's been said is reason for a lynch.

But discussion is always good.

This stood out for me, though:

FOS: ubertimmy

This is now the second time that he has tried to quick lynch someone with little or no reasoning.

unvote, vote: ubertimmy

- first genuine piece of scumminess I can put my finger on.

I'm still waiting for an explanation from Ogre (and Sailor Jerry) why they think Ubertimmy is so scummy. As I said, I can't see any evidence of the second quick lynch. It looks to me more like Ogre and Sailor Jerry are trying to organise a bandwagon...

[evilandy]

For the record, my view on the Ubertimmy/Meme "discussion" is as follows:

- Meme was on 4 votes as is Ubertimmy now, but I consider that Ubertimmy could have voted without counting
- I think Ubertimmy has been blatantly misrepresented by both Ogre and Sailor Jerry and that to me is a more interesting rock to turn over

[evilandy]

Hi Meme. Well from my limited experience page 1 random voting errors like Ubertimmy's are common. However it looks like to to me that Ogre and Sailor Jerry's actions are deliberate.

[evilandy]

Oh well.

vote Sailor Jerry
FOS Ogre and Meme

[evilandy]

Sorry Meme but I do not follow your logic. So he voted you deliberately to provoke a reaction?

Ubertimmy is on four votes and an FOS from Ogre, so it could easily turn into 5. You are stubbornly leaving your vote on him while openly admitting you might not be checking back for a couple of days. Thereby leaving him in peril of a quick lynch.

My suspicion is that Ubertimmy is being lined up for a quick lynch and that Ogre, Sailor Jerry and you may be in on.

That is why I'm FOSing you.

[evilandy]

I have explained why I don't think Ubertimmy deserves the vote from Sailor Jerry and the FOS from Ogre. And I have asked both to explain their insistance on calling Ubertimmy scum based on his "second bandwagonning".

I'd be interested on hearing your opinions on that.

[evilandy]

I'm not sure that anything that's been said is reason for a lynch.

But discussion is always good.

This stood out for me, though:

FOS: ubertimmy

This is now the second time that he has tried to quick lynch someone with little or no reasoning.

unvote, vote: ubertimmy

- first genuine piece of scumminess I can put my finger on.

Sailor Jerry calls Ubertimmy scum here.

And I explained my thinking in posts 48 and 53.

[evilandy]

I am calmed in that he is no longer in peril of a quick lynch. However I am still very suspicious of Ogre and Sailor Jerry. And by you. And slightly less so by Adele and everyone else.

For the record, Sailor Jerry is now top of my suspicion list as he voted and identified Ubertimmy's behaviour as a "genuine piece of scumminess".

Then Ogre, who defined Ubertimmy's first vote on someone as an attempt to quick lynch.

Then you Meme, after you kept your vote on Ubertimmy despite engaging in a discussion of blatently more scummy behaviour from Sailor Jerry and Ogre and not switching your vote.

Adele's vote looks just like a vote to me. Can't say that bliped my radar. Interested to hear her and the others opinions on what we are discussing though.

[evilandy]

Sorry, what is a sound-off?

[evilandy]

Well I guess that's me here then!

[evilandy]

My comment about his statement being 'the first genuine bit of scumminess' was more an assertion that I didn't like any of the other alleged scumtells that were doing the rounds at that point.

I'm certainly not angling for his lynch at this point!

Before I let you off the hook please can you tell me which of "his statements" was "the first genuine bit of scumminess". Many thanks.

[evilandy]

Sailor Jerry... I did. Yeah!

And I can't lynch you. I only have one vote.

Please answer my question.

[evilandy]

Adele, not only did I not miss it, I also fully understood it.

Ubertimmy was FOSed by Ogre and voted by Sailor Jerry for his vote on totem (which put totem on one vote) not his vote on Meme:

I'm not sure that anything that's been said is reason for a lynch.

But discussion is always good.

This stood out for me, though:

FOS: ubertimmy

This is now the second time that he has tried to quick lynch someone with little or no reasoning.

unvote, vote: ubertimmy

- first genuine piece of scumminess I can put my finger on.

That is what I want Sailor Jerry to explain. Not you.

[evilandy]

Adele, of course you can chime in whenever you wish. Just don't expect thanks for it. Especially after a spate of "unhelpful posts" from you followed by you accussing me of not reading the thread when it seems pretty obvious to me that it was you that hadn't actually done so (my posts at least).

And you answering Sailor Jerry's questions for him is not going to help him. He seems boxed into a corner ("If you want to lynch me, go ahead, but at least read the damn thread for yourself") and I want to see if he is a man or a mouse and whether he comes out squeeking...

Still waiting Sailor Jerry...

[evilandy]

Ok Sailor Jerry, I'll buy your explanation (shame it took so long to get one but I guess it was Christmas!).

However as you now take pains to point out it was page 2 when you cast your vote, it was also page 2 when Ubertimmy cast his vote. But you still described that as the "first genuine piece of scumminess". I personally think yours was scummier.

unvote Sailor Jerry

[evilandy]

"Go ahead and lynch me" was a challenge, pointing out the idiocy of andy's argument.

Well you tried to point out the "idiocy" of my argument by accusing me of not reading the thread. In fact I had not only read the thread but also done a vote count on Totem when you and Ogre had accused Ubertimmy of organising a speed lynch. Totem was on one solitary vote - from Ubertimmy.

So I put it that your vote was idiocy. I expect strength will build for a lynch on you today Saior Jerry. Especially if you keep posting in the manner that you have so far.

Ok, I'll see if I can meet your challenge:

vote Sailor Jerry

[evilandy]

This game seems to be stalling again...

[evilandy]

Wow, WldHrtCgd08 is one hell of a username. I've had randomly generated passwords easier to read.

[evilandy]

What is "my tat"?

[evilandy]

Yes, welcome WldHrtCgd08. Please ignore any rants from Adele. I'm not sure what her beef is. Maybe she has spent the last 2 years locked up and made to wear an orange boiler suit. Or maybe she like the rest of us is just locked in her own little mental cage and likes to rattle her bars every now and then to prove she is still alive.

Personally I think she is most likely the scum partner of Sailor Jerry.

[evilandy]

Hi WldHrtCgd08. When you say "going after people for no reason or a really out there one" as far as I know I've only ever voted Sailor Jerry (post random votes that is) for the reason that I have explained at great length.

So which is it, for no reason or a really out there one? And what exactly do you not understand about my reasoning?

[evilandy]

Please explain more?

[evilandy]

Ugh. What is it with people. These games are more fun if EVERYONE contributes.

Anyway I'm off to Amsterdam now 8) returning on Sunday. Hopefully we will have had more contributions by then.

[evilandy]

I'm back. Mostly.

Oh no, Ameliaslay has Glork's old avatar.

WldHrtCgd08 for the second time of asking, please can you explain what you meant when you accused me of "blame shifting"? Thanks.

[evilandy]

Ameliaslay, I can count 6 totem quotes in your post #155 but only 5 in your post #158!!!

However even if the missing quote was from post #142 it still makes totem's claim that "Most of your quotes are from the single post (142)" wrong.

What it all means though I'm not so sure.

My vote is still for Sailor Jerry. I am also persuadable to vote WldHrtCgd08.

[evilandy]

I'm with Meme on this. Hence my footnote on post #160.

[evilandy]

What is going on with peoples attendence? I sound like a hall monitor I know. My most likely suspect Sailor Jerry hasn't posted for days but has posted in other games today and is key to these conversation. He is getting away with MURDER!!!

I propose the following:

1) Everyone votes Sailor Jerry.
2) Mariyta (who is a great mod) maybe makes it more explicit in our game listing that we are in day not night (or night not day) if you know what I mean.

[evilandy]

I think you just summarised why you are scum nicely.

[evilandy]

I bite sized summary for lurkers and those that only check in every full moon:

confirm vote Sailor Jerry

FOS WldHrtCgd08

[evilandy]

I agree that "baseless bandwagons" are dangerous. Without a base they could topple over and kill not only all the members of the band, but also the driver and horses as well.

You joined the original baseless bandwagon on Ubertimmey when he plopped the first vote on Totem and you described it as the "first genuine piece of scumminess" you could put your finger on.

And when you were on one vote you also said "go ahead and lynch me". Over defensive, yes. And a comment I've heard in several games and mostly from scum players (I'd say 80% scum).

And in the space of 2 posts and no extra votes you have gone from

"Please remind me why I'm scum again because I can't be bothered to trawl through all your witterings"

to

"Seriously though... if someone can remind me what I did, I'll do my best to explain it."

Another suspicous little U-turn - a dangerous manouver that often topples baseless bandwagoners.

I'm happy with my vote.

[evilandy]

Tone!

[evilandy]

Lurker hunt...

Its now been:
- 6 days since Ameliaslay posted - posted Sunday on another game
- 19 days since ubertimmy posted - posted on Friday on another game
- 28 days since Lucresia posted - seems inactive on the forum

Please mod:

It seems that we need a replacement for Lucresia (is she supposed to be still in the game?) and a prod for Ameliaslay and ubertimmy.

[evilandy]

Well I'm up for either a SJ or WldHrtCgd08 vote. So what you say WldHrtCgd08? You switch your vote to SJ and if he is mafia you are then whiter than white?

[evilandy]

Initially because in post 137 I asked WldHrtCgd08 to explain her suspicions of me and she never replied.

However now mostly because I detect she is shifting her posture to allow a vote on Sailor Jerry as she notices the winds changing agaisnt him:

Well, the last couple of pages shifting everything to push for a lynch on Sailor Jerry, and I havent really seen anything to be that suspicious.

Then without ever mentioning SJ between these two posts:

I have to agree. After rereading everything I've come to the concusion they are both probably scum. I'm going to go ahead and

vote totem

for now. Then worry about SJ later.

She has done this without ever explaining her reasons for being suspicious of him. So I suspect she is the scum partner of Sailor Jerry and is distancing herself from him.

[evilandy]

I think Totem is too busy trying to appear useful by lurker hunting to even consider voting for you Ubertimmy.

[evilandy]

Well I've just re-read all of Totem's posts and I'm not getting a scummy vibe. Far from it. And Ameliaslay misquoted/miscounted him in post 158. A matter which I bought up with Ameliaslay a couple of posts after which was ignored. I don't know if it was a mistake on Ameliaslay's part or a deliberate attempt to make Totem look worse.

So I'm not convinced by the Totem wagon. My money is still on SJ...

[evilandy]

Actually I got that wrong. It was Totem's claim that most of the quotes posted by Ameliaslay were from a single post. Totem was wrong. Hmmmm........

[evilandy]

A vote count snippet:

Totem (3)- Timmy, Lucresia, Glork
Sailor Jerry (2)- evilandy, Adele

Both evilandy and Adele have not expressed a willingness to vote Totem.
But Timmy, Glork and WldHrtCgd08 have also expressed a willingness to vote SJ.

I propose we lynch SJ now...

[evilandy]

I too would be willing to jump on a Wild lynch as well.

[evilandy]

That puts SJ on 3 with a possible floater from MeMe. I'd like to see some comments from Totem and WldHrtCgd08 about this possible lynch.

[evilandy]

Hi Sailor Jerry. Well that is the game. I think it would be time for you to consider making a role claim as you are on 3 votes with an "about to" vote from Totem (whatever that means. but suspicious none the less) and an expression of willingness from MeMe to jump onto pretty much any lynching...

[evilandy]

Thanks for that Sailor Jerry. Whilst your role claim sounds initially believable I have my doubts.

The role as you described it has irrelevant information:

"Mother of two, daughter of a ex-showgirl"

. Whereas my role description was very tight.

In addition there is a gramatical error in the claim that suggest you may have edited it for some reason:

"a ex-showgirl"

.

Have you changed details from your role claim that explains these things, and if so what exactly? Maybe others can review their own role descriptions to see if they have the same opinion.

[evilandy]

Sorry SJ but I'm with Ubertimmy as I just don't buy it.

Talk about boring role description. Hardly Vegas. It could have been a role from "Babysitting Mafia" or something else nobody would ever sign up to (unless they wanted to earn $3/hour).

And where does

"daughter of a ex-showgirl"

come into it? How does that fit into your narcholepsy inducing super powers?

Role blocker is a nice choice as its important enough to miss but not easy to confirm. Shame you didn't use the same creativity with the text.

Time is runnig out. Please explain more...

Confirm vote: Sailor Jerry

[evilandy]

For the record I think that's SJ on four votes now.

[evilandy]

Is Lucresia about to get replaced?