Mini 1397: War is Hell (Game Over)

[Quilford]

hi ladies and gents!

reading up a bit.

[Quilford]

wait.

so lld is dead now?

[Quilford]

ugh my brain

[Quilford]

alright so i am pretty sure kanye, kinetic, and matt are town. quadz and zdenek i am not sure on, and tierce and xalxe are my scumreads.

pedit: oi bro i have no idea, i will check

[Quilford]

Quilford how many rage points have you used you have 1 minute to respond

none

[Quilford]

In case my hurt didn't go through because it was too late

Hurt: Xalxe

Your other Hurt went through, so this one definitionally cannot.

That's THREE points on him

[Quilford]

Honestly one of the main things that piqued my interest reading along was seeing Tierce and Xalxe amongst others but especially Tierce harassing MattP and MattP producing horrifically town responses and a complete lack of recognition that they were town responses.

IN CONCLUSION

MATTP IS TOWN

LET'S NOT GO THERE

[Quilford]

By the way, I know a lot of people are really town, but if someone is actually *confirmed town* it would be really helpful if you could let me know. ty

[Quilford]

Merry Antichristmas!

[Quilford]

woooo sick today

me too. i think i'll be v/la for a few, sorry mod + players.

[Quilford]

I am going to post soon.

[Quilford]

Ahhhhhh

Vote: Quilford

AHHHH

[Quilford]

what happened with the quote tag??
Somehow you clicked 'disable BBCode'. Flay

[Quilford]

(By the way I really don't know what to talk about. I don't really have a beef with anyone atm and if we're heading in the direction of lynching Tierce / Xalxe / quadz then that's something I can appreciate and I don't really know what I can do to make it happen?)

[Quilford]

because they probably contain the scum? i thought tierce was scum because her continuous focus on mattp was silly and unreasonable, and i thought xalxe was scum because his post by post catchup was bad (especially the stream-of-consciousness) and bad post by post catchups come from scum.

But I don't know what's going on with the voting thing, and I'm really detached from this game atm. WOE IS ME D:

[Quilford]

because her continuous focus on mattp was silly and unreasonable

...and? That's not how you scumhunt. It may not have made sense to you, but it made to me. Where are you attempting to figure out this, Quil? Where are your "oh there are a lot of people who are really Town lol" developments? You have posted virtually no content whatsoever. Why?

I thought I was a shit scumhunter so

I noticed you took a dump on Xalxe earlier this game; wonder if there's any alignment correlation for you there? I haven't had my eureka moment this game yet, but just hold out a bit. I know the only reason you're not accusing me of actively ignoring this game and recommending bullets through my head is because you've been doing the exact same thing

[Quilford]

now that i've met my passive-aggressiveness quota i will slink off to bed, enjoy

[Quilford]

I noticed you took a dump on Xalxe earlier this game; wonder if there's any alignment correlation for you there?

This is all the more hilarious because this line is an insinuation that I'm scum for ragging on Xalxe (and presumably you), but I called you out on being a crappy player in Mafia Behind the Maiden, where I was

Town

. Good try, though! How dare I call people out on behaviors that I see as destructive to the Town.

once

b(^___^)b

I will insult your intelligence from time to time, because I clearly have some sort of superiority complex.

FTFY

[Quilford]

Look as much as I dislike participating in this game at present, I'll make a small effort to actually get back into the swing of things in a while.

Also I'll try to stop provoking Tierce.

Whee

[Quilford]

Dude, no. I don't expect you to handle me with kid gloves. I expect you to not be a jerk. Most everyone gets by in mafia games without pointing out how much other players suck, so why don't you?

[Quilford]

It's been less than a day, and we don't have a time limit.

I'm not stalling, but I think you think I'm less affected by this than I am.

[Quilford]

LOOK I DUNNO GUYS LITERALLY NOBODY HAS BEEN THIS IMPOLITE TO ME EVER AND I DON'T KNOW WHY

[Quilford]

then what?

[Quilford]

I wasn't lying when I said I was going to post. It hasn't been long, and I've really needed to get this off my chest.

[Quilford]

I dunno okay it's alright it's okay. There are still several things you are wrong about. But that's okay. Alright. Give me a bit.

PEDIT: okay. one mo'.

[Quilford]

Quilford:

Snap question. Again. Who were your original obvTown reads and why, a quick paragraph each. Doesn't need to be formatted or have links or anything, but if you had such strong Townreads they should still stand out in your mind to some degree.

Well you know I was approaching this and I was all like 'yes, I am fantastic, I will turn this lynch around and SHOW THEM WHO'S BOSS :I'. And then I realised that no, I can't do a paragraph on my Town reads lol. People are town because of ridiculously minor things they do and when I try to explain them everyone looks at me like 'are you stupid' because it's not reasoning they think is solid, like gut reads. I will show this by trying to explain why kkb, kinetic, and mattp are town and then you will all point and laugh.

[Quilford]

with that out of the way, kkb is town because of the way he approached running up lld, because he kept his cards close to his chest when scum would play them all on the table, also because of the tone (yes) of his posts #1267, #1275 etc which really strikes me as not something a player would say to their partner. post that i found bringing up how stifled hurts fucked the town in the previous wih town and also i agreed with him re: mattp and tierce reading through

this feels foolish.

[Quilford]

especially http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4515707 btw, i was basically crying with joy.

[Quilford]

about kinetic although the constant game mechanicising makes my senses tingle, especially early on, post #1118 is really town because it really sounds anxious and confused, especially his admission to having thought about it the whole game and especially the second paragraph full of questions. then there's post #1221 and on where it shifts to determining alignment after fate and voidedmafia are killed and his subsequent anger at tierce, it just strikes me as nothing scum would ever do, ever? lol. and one of the other things is post #301 where after a lot of back and forthing with zdenek he drops his vote on zdenek because of one good post which, despite not having ever seen him in a game before, feels not only like something scum wouldn't do but something like kinetic-scum especially wouldn't do.

i honestly don't know how to explain that mattp is town but i'll have a go at it in a sec anyway.

[Quilford]

ugh well from my expert examination of his meta, mattp is just subtly lazier as scum, not 'powerlurking', 'bullets through the head' (*tugs collar*) lazy but just asks less questions, isn't as willing to stir shit up (in a good way, mind), isn't prone to go no-holds-barred on someone? and lol from his first posts to the rage at lld and tierce which made my eyes water to his complete change of mind on abr this is pretty clearly matt town

i feel like we develop reads in similar ways (like what he does in #988) as town and he's just really town really town town yeah

[Quilford]

ugh well from my expert examination of his meta, mattp is just subtly lazier as scum, not 'powerlurking', 'bullets through the head' (*tugs collar*) lazy but just asks less questions, isn't as willing to stir shit up (in a good way, mind), isn't prone to go no-holds-barred on someone? and lol from his first posts to the rage at lld and tierce which made my eyes water to his complete change of mind on abr this is pretty clearly matt town

i feel like we develop reads in similar ways (like what he does in #988) as town and he's just really town really town town yeah

believe your matt meta is flawed.

nah

[Quilford]

quilford mayi please see your meta analysis credentials i believe they may not have come from an accredited institution.

ITT Quilford claims he can read my alignment when he's never read me right before as scum

it's coz you're not scum, dear

and i don't think 1 game sample size really equals a fair sample size iirc

it's pretty obvious reading barkley shut up and history mafia vs. this game and other town games that there is a *bit* of a difference

[Quilford]

blurgh also quadz is scum, VOTE: Quadz

[Quilford]

it's coz you're not scum, dear

and i don't think 1 game sample size really equals a fair sample size iirc

it's pretty obvious reading barkley shut up and history mafia vs. this game and other town games that there is a *bit* of a difference

I will never admit that my scum and town metas are different and you cant stop me

you are one of the rare people who i do not immediately feel compelled to dislike after saying that, so go crazy 8D

[Quilford]

lol mattiep

[Quilford]

i'm secretly not thinking it at all

[Quilford]

(why did you vote zdenek again?)

[Quilford]

Moving right along

Vote: Quadz

I read this and raised a singular eyebrow slightly and secretly felt a bit of paranoia but I kept it to myself to not instigate absolute chaos in the thread

hehe, you are so townie who's a good townie? you are yes you are

Yo, Matt, KKB, Quadz, vote Zd. He is scum. Ok? Other scum is Qui or Tierce. GG?

i actually don't think zdenek tierce or i are really particularly scum (it's in increasing scumminess tierce>zdenek>>xalxe>>quadz) which is upsetting because yeah oh god don't ask me to explain it

[Quilford]

haha oh sweet jesus

[Quilford]

I have no words.

VOTE: Zdenek

quadz unfortunately there is no entry in the guinness book of world records for largest amount of opportunistic vote changes in 24 hours :/

[Quilford]

that should be quoting the matt vote

[Quilford]

where... did kanye imply an incriminating result on matt?

[Quilford]

HURT: quadz

[Quilford]

.__________.

[Quilford]

~___________~

[Quilford]

hold on a moment, i'm buddying the shit out of you? wut

[Quilford]

OH~ MATTP <333

WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PEEL YOU ANOTHER GRAPE

[Quilford]

Why do you do this to me.

[Quilford]

Checking in; on phone.

[Quilford]

I have family commitments until the 23rd, getting more restrictive from the 19th, just a heads up.

I'm very eh with the idea that Matt and Zdenek are today's lynches. Matt is town for previous reasons and Zdenek reads town from his back and forthing with Kinetic. His conviction in his Kinetic scumread looks really sincere.

I am increasingly wanting Xalxe dead.

[Quilford]

So, let's vote him.

VOTE: Xalxe

[Quilford]

Speaking of Flay, love the thread title.

[Quilford]

v/la for 4 days, should still be able to post within prod limits though

[Quilford]

Still phone posting but I will be back on a computer to deal with these claims and shit tonight. Huzzah!

[Quilford]

Well.

[Quilford]

HEAL: kanyeknowsbest

[Quilford]

inb4 votes tied

[Quilford]

VOTE: quadz

[Quilford]

.________. wait what

[Quilford]

Ah. So basically Xalxe ragedumped on Matt. This makes sense.

[Quilford]

honestly guys I step out of the room for 8 hours

[Quilford]

(was joking)

[Quilford]

But I just feel awkward commenting because I think Kinetic vs. Zdenek is tvt and I think you vs. MattP is tvt and it's like my parents are fighting .____.

[Quilford]

Uh what

[Quilford]

Oh damn Tsonga just went down

[Quilford]

We wouldn't you to dare and speak up in a Mafia game. That wouldn't make any sense at all.

Come on.

No I just actually don't know what this post means. I think you accidentally a few words.

[Quilford]

Look, you're playing a game of Mafia. You know it is going to be confrontational at points. And you're just going EEEEEEEK and refusing to stand up for whatever it is you believe in. Essentially, you're an empty/dead slot and it's pissing me off because

I need feedback from my Townreads

, dammit.

Sure, but I feel like it'd be out of line to comment when you and Matt or Zdenek and Kinetic are at each other's throats. I certainly don't slink away from confrontation when I'm the one being confronted -- most of the time, anyway.

Anyway, yeah. To be honest I don't see what Kinetic just gave you that you find me so desperately lacking in doing. If someone does something that changes my mind on their alignment, I'll let you know.

[Quilford]

did you forget?? i am the KING of proactivity, see my throne? right there -->

[Quilford]

anyway here's some nice relaxing music for everyone to chillax to

[Quilford]

I pretty promise I'll be more participatory once I get my first goddamn flip after more than a month in this game.

[Quilford]

Wait and see then.

[Quilford]

If you're just going to flaunt how much you're doing nothing, drop the game.

For what it's worth, this makes me feel horrible. My stance is that if you join a game, tough it out. But honestly, there is nothing I can do to force you to participate because you just shrug and go "meh". And yes, when

you

were confronted a while back, you turned into a whiny ball full of spines, so it's not even like you become productive under pressure. :/ Why do you replace into games and then do this. I really don't get the way some players choose to act. It's hardly

playing

if you don't participate actively.

Rant over. Back to ignoring you because otherwise I'll grow gray hairs out of annoyance. But seriously, for the future, consider your willingness to play before signing up. Your slot is making the game suffer.

I... think it's just this game? I don't recall.

[Quilford]

lolquadz

[Quilford]

HURT: MattP

And no, this is no bluff and I am sending in a Rage attack. This guy is scum.

there are only 3 people who could have raged matt: zdenek, tierce and kinetic.

[Quilford]

this game is classic.

[Quilford]

Forcing players into a false dilemma is so silly I don't think you'd do it as scum.

Unfortunately, I am also pretty confident in Zdenek and Tierce town. :|

[Quilford]

I think, with the game this close, we need 4 votes to hurt someone. Its too easy for two scum to get one townie on their side and then start hurting. No hurts until 4 votes, so at least two townies have to be tricked if scum are pushing together.

Speaking of which, HEAL: Xalxe and I'd be much obliged if you could return the favour, Xalxe.

[Quilford]

Marquis Andras, also a Fallen Arel.

[Quilford]

You have been calling Xalxe scum all fucking game, and in the eleventh hour, suddenly when you realize that Xalxe might be your key to winning the game, Xalxe is town in your book. I don't buy it.

(psst I think Quil kinda did the same thing)

(though it's difficult to say as he never gave any reads ever)

Wrong and wrong.

::rolleyes::

[Quilford]

Huzzah!

I see your questions and will respond to them later. I'm preparing for a trip atm.

HEAL: Xalxe in the meanwhile.

[Quilford]

Kinetic dear maybe you should take off the tinfoil hat. You might be overestimating the formative powers of a voting block here.

[Quilford]

Quilford, do you think that KKB is scum with Xalxe?

I'm not really sure that KKB is scum with anyone. His claim is convincing but I suppose it could have been set up with the help of a well organised scumteam.

But really I still stand by what I said way back in #1848.

[Quilford]

Tierce + Xalxe

[Quilford]

But not really in that confident, righteous kind of way.

[Quilford]

wat?

[Quilford]

This is a Semi-Open setup [...] the roles are structured similarly to previous Angel Nightless games

*whistles*

[Quilford]

Tierce, don't be scum.

PEDIT:

By all means, Mr. Enlightened. Tell me how many Rage points and what actions kanye has taken.

I'll wait.

I'll admit not listing actions is a teensy bit worrying considering that's par for roleclaims but I don't really see what difference it makes. Maybe I am making too many assumptions.

[Quilford]

Are you even paying attention?

::rolleyes::

[Quilford]

Hmm?

[Quilford]

Maybe in a bit I'll answer that.

[Quilford]

Keep your pants on, I'm just prepping for my trip tomorrow.

[Quilford]

*trips*

No time atm.

[Quilford]

You don't think I'm going to produce content explaining why I think one of my two picks for scum is scum. Despite the fact I mentioned before Kinetic asked that I was preparing for a trip. I may be pretty superhuman at mafia, but unfortunately I'm not psychic.

::rolleyes::

[Quilford]

I don't understand how the concept of weekdays vs. weekends is so foreign to you, Tierce. I'll walk you through it just in case nobody else has taken the time to sit down and explain it.

Typically, people have commitments on weekdays (Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday) which take a lot of time out of the day. Often these are commitments to schooling or to work. Whatever the case, should one hope to enjoy a satisfying sleep, this usually leaves them with little leisure time within which to perform other activities.

On weekends, however, these commitments usually do not exist, which frees up a lot of time with which they can attend to other, lesser commitments. Online Mafia is, although important, usually not a life or death matter, and as such qualifies as a lesser commitment, relegated to the weekend. It may reach priority high enough to qualify for regular weekday scheduling, but while the year is still young and the workload large, this is rarely the case.

Fortunately, the weekend commences in less than 12 hours, and then I will be able to put near excess amounts of time into this pursuit.

Thanks for your understanding,


Quilford

[Quilford]

I'm going to be able to get round to this soon. Huzzah!

[Quilford]

Almost! But not quite.

[Quilford]

I think my main problem with Xalxe is that he appeared way too eager to kill MattP. For example:

I've been following.

Tierce, explain like I'm five: why should I not be proceeding to beating the snot out of Matt?

is exactly not the kind of question you'd ask if you'd been following and really just seems like a buddy-up to Tierce / proponents of Matt's death.

[snip]

WHEN I USE CAPS LAWK IT MEANS I'M RIGHT

LOUDER IS BETTER

(pretty pretty please may I hurts it now?)

So does this. Especially with the actual lack of explanation of why Xalxe has a MattP scumread, something which I don't think was ever actually addressed. Apart from "not answering questions" (lol).

God Xalxe's posts are SO FREAKING FAKE.

sums it up nicely

--

Also Xalxe's read on a player seems to magically change to scum depending on how close they're getting to dying: upon replace in he's on Matt, then this:

3) Could someone explain to me why all of a sudden PV is a better choice than Matt? I mean, both are scum, but I feel like more information, if nothing else, is gleaned from Matt's death.

lol "more information"
lol "both are scum" yet no mention of PeregrineV previously let alone a read on him

From #460 onwards in Xalxe's ISO you can see the cogs turning as he gears up for a Peregrine hurt.

Then it goes back onto Matt, then Xalxe decides Matt is null and lol it goes to LLD and then once she's dead, back to Matt.

Xalxe, the fact that the last time you posted was to vote me and since then I've completely turned around the perception of me and you have yet to post since then when that was your only viable angle in the game makes you look completely rigid, awkward and lacking in fluidity.

:]

AWKS

And then the same thing almost happens to me here:

because they probably contain the scum? i thought tierce was scum because her continuous focus on mattp was silly and unreasonable,

Why?

and i thought xalxe was scum because his post by post catchup was bad (especially the stream-of-consciousness) and bad post by post catchups come from scum.

Why?

no comments on anything else :party:

Concur.

How many votes on Quil is that?

tl;dr Xalxe's play is marked by opportunism; his tone by fakeness, I don't buy the 'Xalxe wouldn't have raged MattP if scum argument' because MattP has been Xalxe's main focus all game and of course he's going to leap at the opportunity to finally hurt him. I don't see what other reasons there are to townread Xalxe.

[Quilford]

1-2 scum here:

Kinetic and Xalxe are the two people I am not going to vote right now

From my point of view, Kinetic is town and Tierce is town.

The game is over with the fulfillment of the [deaths of everyone but Tierce, Xalxe and Kinetic].

0-1 scum here: {kanyeknowsbest, Zdenek}

Interesting note: a Tierce/Kinetic scumteam could be less likely because Kinetic keeps referring to Tierce as a 'he'.

quilford whats your opinion on zdenek vs kinetic?

I think it's town vs. town, and I'm disinclined to reconsider before a Tierce or Xalxe flip. (And even if one of T/X flips town I'd be more interested in killing the other, no way in hell they're both town.)

[Quilford]

1-2 scum here:

Kinetic and Xalxe are the two people I am not going to vote right now

From my point of view, Kinetic is town and Tierce is town.

The game is over with the fulfillment of the [deaths of everyone but Tierce, Xalxe and Kinetic].

This is nonsensical demolishing of what may well be a Townblock. People agreeing with each other are not necessarily scum.

You say 'what may well be' like you're not confident and 'people' like it's not half the players alive and 'agreeing' like it's not agreement on something that makes or breaks the game.

Interesting note: a Tierce/Kinetic scumteam could be less likely because Kinetic keeps referring to Tierce as a 'he'.

And this is stupid, because anyone who has been on the forums for a while has seen scumteams get the genders of their members confused even after being corrected. It'd be a cheap and forced Towntell, if anything, and generally I'm inclined to disbelieve those because scum doesn't lose anything by faking them.

Get yourself better attempts at breaking teams--frankly, when the best thing out of

820 posts

between me and Kinetic is THAT, you aren't doing anything with the content of the game. If you're Town, stop being useless. Again.

It's something I happened to notice. I think it's interesting. I said 'could be less likely' precisely because I wanted to know what others thought. I didn't say it was 'breaking a team'. I think it would have come up if you two were scum together.

quilford whats your opinion on zdenek vs kinetic?

I think it's town vs. town, and I'm disinclined to reconsider before a Tierce or Xalxe flip. (And even if one of T/X flips town I'd be more interested in killing the other, no way in hell they're both town.)

This is also amazing. No nosirree not interested in considering anything else in the game TEH SCUMZ are in Xalxe/Tierce + ???. They totes don't make sense as a Town/Town pairing even though I have never and will probably never explain why because omg people are poking at me to do stuff on a weekday

how dare Tierce do this to meeee

. If you don't have time, don't play. You have enough time to make a post whining about how mean I am for wanting content out of you more than on the weekend (because guess what, you replaced into a game

of your own will

), so you have time to be proactive and explain your thoughts instead of sniping from the sidelines and making a measly quote-stripe post per weekend.

Of course you don't make sense as a Town/Town pairing. You might have forgotten this but Town are actually what is termed the "uninformed majority". The key word there is "uninformed".

Classic Tierce and her irrelevant ad hom. Notice the "omg people are poking at me to do stuff on a weekday

how dare Tierce do this to meeee

" stuff again despite the fact I delivered content which Tierce dismisses by calling it "measly quote-striping" and not directly attacking. I offered to replace into the game back in December last year, unfortunately I can't predict my workload two months in advance.

I can see you're just itching to vote me and are simply attacking everything I say that mentions you so you have a better pretense to do so (it's pesky having called someone who you want to hop onto a townread in the recent past, isn't it?)

[Quilford]

Apart from your little axis of evil over there nobody thinks both you and Xalxe are Town.

[Quilford]

Actually, WHY IN GOD'S NAME ARE YOU UNWILLING TO CHECK MY META? YOU CHECKED TIERCE'S.

I'm curious about how you have nothing to say about my meta unless pushed about it, and why you didn't push the issue when Xalxe didn't answer what games of mine he checked. Your lack of interest in the issue doesn't seem to follow your usual doggedness.

HEAL: Xalxe

Someone should give him another, and to Quilford as well. Though I'm coming around to

someone

being scum, and it not being Xalxe, it has to be someone. Frankly Quilford looks like a good option. Extreme doormat mode does not impress me.

Tomorrow, though.

BEEP BEEP BEEP TIERCE REVERSING OUT OF QUILFORD/ZDENEK TOWNREADS

Though I'm coming around to

someone

being scum, and it not being Xalxe, it has to be someone.

Profound.

[Quilford]

1-2 scum here:

Kinetic and Xalxe are the two people I am not going to vote right now

From my point of view, Kinetic is town and Tierce is town.

The game is over with the fulfillment of the [deaths of everyone but Tierce, Xalxe and Kinetic].

This is nonsensical demolishing of what may well be a Townblock. People agreeing with each other are not necessarily scum.

You say 'what may well be' like you're not confident

and 'people' like it's not half the players alive

and 'agreeing' like it's not agreement on something that makes or breaks the game.

Huzzah!

[Quilford]

You quoted a post talking about Kinetic and said 'Tierce reversing out of Tierce townread'?

The problem isn't that your reads are changing, it's the timing and the way you're doing it that are suspect.

[Quilford]

*of me talking about Kinetic

[Quilford]

I accept that I might not be expressing myself well but that is not what I mean.

[Quilford]

Its currently 2v2 and if Qui scum is forced to, he is probably going to vote me no matter how scummy it looks

I forget whether or not I've mentioned recently that I think you and Zdenek are town, so I won't be voting for you at all. Because as a townie myself I strongly believe that we should lynch scum.

[Quilford]

Tierce is playing stupid.

[Quilford]

I mean the amount of terrible your latest wall contains far exceeds safe levels.

[Quilford]

And the one before that, too. Jesus.

I'm on my phone for the next hour though so don't expect a fast explanation.

[Quilford]

I also like how Quilford was essentially the first person saying that I'm reversing my read on him when even I haven't decided who it is that I want to vote.

You can change a read on someone without deciding who you want to vote.

I have to vote someone, genius,

Ever heard of 'not voting', genius?

and when my Townread on you basically amounts to "he wouldn't make himself THAT vulnerable as scum", no, you don't get to be part of the list of people I absolutely won't vote.

Not the issue.

My point about your Kinetic/Tierce read making no sense is that it's a goddamn LAZY read.

Apparently Tierce obeys her own, personal logic.

You have 800 posts between Kinetic and me, and you haven't bothered to look at the interactions further than to bring that gender issue up?

I wasn't even looking at your interactions at the time. It was something I noticed on the last page. Bad assumption.

You were looking for commentary on it? I commented on it. It's a trash read.

It wasn't even a read.

Your one and only point about Xalxe is that he wanted to kill MattP. So did I, and so did several others.

No, no it wasn't. Nice strawman though.

And then we have stuff like this:

3) Could someone explain to me why all of a sudden PV is a better choice than Matt? I mean, both are scum, but I feel like more information, if nothing else, is gleaned from Matt's death.

lol "more information"
lol "both are scum" yet no mention of PeregrineV previously let alone a read on him

So this is bad, but going "At least one of Xalxe and Tierce is scum and I won't give a damn about the rest of the game until BOTH of them are dead" is okay?

They're not in any way the same? The point was that his scumread on Peregrine was pulled out of thin air; literally unprecedented by almost any mention of PeregrineV. Learn to English?

You wanted a flip because that would lead you to be more productive--doesn't mean you wanted some sort of information from the flip as well?

I wasn't using 'wanting information' as an excuse to vote someone. The lack of flips was the reason behind the stagnation of the game, and thus my inactivity.

What does scum-Xalxe have to win with trying to push TWO mislynches and going for the (remarkably harder) lynch first (i.e. MattP and PeregrineV)?

Hahaha, what? MattP and PeregrineV were HARD lynches? Nearly everyone supported their deaths! And Xalxe switched from Matt to Peregrine just like that!

On a different note, I really couldn't care less how capable you are of predicting your own workload. That's YOUR problem, not mine. and you are always free to replace out if you don't have time to contribute when called on it.

Worried?

[Quilford]

Considering that that post talks about ME BEING TOWN and you're calling me SCUM now, yes, I'm showing you how your silly "omg Tierce is changing reads" game is ridiculous, because you are doing the same in regards to ME.

They are NOT THE SAME. You're changing your reads superficially: you are saying "Who do I have the townread on with the weakest reasoning?" or "Which townread do I have that is agreed upon least by other players?" and you are trying to subtly back out of your townread on them without making it as subtle as possible to minimise the fallout. I am changing my read on you because I can see you doing this and it is not something townies do.

And my timing? Hiiiii there the game is reduced to

only Townreads of mine

. When do you expect me to care about the fact that I have PROOF that at least one of my reads is wrong?

A lot earlier than now when things are finally coming to a head. You've kept your options open under the pretense of townreading everyone for so long now that I am surprised that I am the first to join the dots.

VOTE: Tierce and I'll show y'all a magic trick in my next post to lighten things up a little

[Quilford]

Spoiler: warning: long

Okay guys, so let's scroll through Xalxe's ISO:

I've been following.

Tierce, explain like I'm five: why should I not be proceeding to beating the snot out of Matt?

Hmm, no PeregrineV scumread here.

Boooooring.

But thanks for the heal reminder, didn't realize charter hadn't done so.

HEAL: kdowns
VOTE: MattP

None here either...

Tierce, I have zero desire to heal PeregrineV. Like, none. And don't give me that town solidarity lecture youse. >=(

Just for the sake of questioning, why should I heal someone I believe to be scum?

Because (I think) then you won't get the benefit of the accumulation of health from rage? No wait just reread, because then you'll be up one once rage rolls around and unless you're conftown we can't have that.

Still no.

YOU GUYS THINK MY PUSH ON TIERCE WAS A SCUMSLIP? LLD JUST OUTRIGHT LIED, I DIDNT EVEN DO THAT

SHE CLAIMED I DISAPPEARED WHEN I DIDNT

I CALLED HER OUT AND INSTEAD OF SAYING IT WAS A MISTAKE SHE DEFENDED HERSELF BY SAYING BY "DISAPPEARED" SHE MEANT "IGNORED HER CASE ON ME" WHICH ARE INCREDIBLY DIFFERENT

HER CASE ON ME WAS NOTHING THAT I COULD EVEN RESPOND TO OR WASNT RESPONDED TO ALREADY

WHEN I USE CAPS LAWK IT MEANS I'M RIGHT

LOUDER IS BETTER

(pretty pretty please may I hurts it now?)

Nope. (although this is a hilariously bad post as a sidenote)

And before my meta is used against me AGAIN

So hold on.

You'll use meta against me.

But when it comes to you, it's off the table?

No...

This was before Zdenek had referred to me whatsoever. Is it really necessary to literally try to skew everything I say into scum intent without even attempting to fairly read me?

That didn't answer the question. You answered the latter part (is it just because he's defending you). You did not answer the former (can you explain your town read).

Still no!

This was before Zdenek had referred to me whatsoever. Is it really necessary to literally try to skew everything I say into scum intent without even attempting to fairly read me?

That didn't answer the question. You answered the latter part (is it just because he's defending you). You did not answer the former (can you explain your town read).

Why do you care about my justification for my townread on Yos?

Because you're dodging a question. Again. Now answer it.

Nu-uh.

Because you're dodging a question. Again. Now answer it.

No, answer my question. I'm not dodging shit. You weren't interested in my read until Yos brought it up. So explain why now.

Okay, fine. I actually don't give a shit about your read on zdnek. I do care about you dodging a question, again. Now answer Yosarian's question.

PEDIT: teehee look at me hiding here, skulking just out of view

Non!

Okay, fine. I actually don't give a shit about your read on zdnek. I do care about you dodging a question, again. Now answer Yosarian's question.

Zero scumreads on PV.
Why are you so interested in my dodging questions?

Why do you continue to do it?

(Two can play at this game mister, and it won't go anywhere)

No, no, no, no, no.

Hold on wait did you just call me easy?

No, no, no, no, no...

@Yos: Getting to you now

How goes this?

No...

Okay, I've been following but today is apparently "post things" day or something so here's my two cents:

1) I do want LLD's perspective RE: Tierce's Votecounts. I thought Tierce was the one that said that was scummy but rereading, it was her.
2) I want to make it very clear to Matt that from this point on, I will follow every post of his with a quote of every question he hasn't answered yet, starting with Yosarian's, until he answers them. Too many times I've seen scum get away with not answering things until everyone forgets them and I'm not letting him do this.
3) Could someone explain to me why all of a sudden PV is a better choice than Matt?

-->

I mean, both are scum,

<--

but I feel like more information, if nothing else, is gleaned from Matt's death.

HOLY SHIT THERE IT IS XALXE MAGICALLY PULLS A SCUMREAD ON PEREGRINE OUT OF THIN AIR, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN HOW DOES HE DO IT? HOW DOES HE DO IT. INCREDIBLE! A FANTASTIC DISPLAY OF COMPLETE AND UTTER FABRICATION. LITERALLY NO MENTION OF PEREGRINE BEFOREHAND. BEHOLD. BEHOLD, AND GAZE IN WONDER

[Quilford]

VOTE: Xalxe

This also works. I'll get to Tierce later.

[Quilford]

Feel free to stop calling me worthless and start making up your mind on my alignment an time now.

lol'd hard

[Quilford]

Oh, and Quilford: Playing stupid? No. I have far better playerlists to play stupid as. I played stupid as SK in New Age Mafia II, and I played oblivious to an obvious Mason pair in SCIENCE!, as scum. The former can be compared to Town games of mine where I play elusive and cryptic and overall :whimsical:, and

none of that is happening here

, in a really obvious manner.

Oh Tierce you're so much better than all of us.

No, I don't mean 'playing stupid' as a playstyle. You are either playing stupid to get away with completely misinterpreting my posts as I show in my dissection in #2795 or actually stupid.

Good luck with that, Quilford. And with the quote stripes, because it's evident from someone who doesn't bear playing with MoI that I will NOT read that snippy style of posting. (In fact, I can't help but wonder how the heck you manage to do that from a phone and not want to kill yourself.)

VOTE: Zdenek

You know you're wrong when you resort to "lalalalala I don't read posts with quotestripes".

(If you've done that in that horrible quote stripe, you can forget about it because I am not reading it.)

lol

Quilford. Read on kkb, quick.

This is not optional. I want an answer.

it should be pretty clear to anyone "paying attention" what my read on KKB is

[Quilford]

It does contain evidence of your stupidity, I didn't expect it to go down well with you.

[Quilford]

Your last mention of kkb is this:

Quilford, do you think that KKB is scum with Xalxe?

I'm not really sure that KKB is scum with anyone. His claim is convincing but I suppose it could have been set up with the help of a well organised scumteam.

But really I still stand by what I said way back in #1848.

It's hardly a stretch, when you seem to change reads at the drop of a hat, to ask you about your read on kkb.

It is a complete stretch considering that I tend to announce when my reads change. As I have been doing all game. I've just jumped on Xalxe for pulling a PV scumread out of nowhere and you think magically my read on KKB has changed without any indication.

You know why?

Because you are calling two people solid Town, and then have kkb as apparent Town. Unless you are saying that there is only one remaining scum, it makes

absolutely no sense

that you, as Town, hardly seem bothered with finding connections supporting a Xalxe/LLD/Tierce scumteam. It's hardly a stretch to ask you about it when

everything about my play

should show that I am Town to anyone with half a brain and some knowledge of my meta. But you're refusing to do anything that requires you to actually read stuff, have a very poor case on Xalxe at best, and are calling me out on... what, exactly? Burden of proficiency? Good luck with that.

My opinion re: scumteam interactions is that they're not useful for substantiating possible scumteams and are only useful for ruling out possible scumteams. This is because there are a bunch of outside factors that influence how two people interact with each other and it's not worth the time -- if it's possible at all -- to hunt down and analyse every interaction that has taken place.

And yep yep I am totally in the wrong for not reading snippy back and forth quote stripes that will only generate more snippy back and forth and not lead anywhere. Yes, I am a terrible person. Why did you choose to play with me again?

Your not reading my posts is exactly what provokes the snippy back and forth. Your interpretations of what I've been saying are, most of the time, completely incorrect and devoid of accurate representation, and then I have to correct you and you dismiss my correcting you as 'snippy back and forth' and then I get even snippier. Honestly.

[Quilford]

Similar description? That's laughable.

[Quilford]

And I didn't call you a bad player. Just stupid.

[Quilford]

Selectively stupid, even. Christ.

[Quilford]

Oh, I have the respect you allege I don't. I just don't think you deserve any.

[Quilford]

defending yourself by saying your attack was personal goes

far beyond the scope of the game

and

really

makes you a despicable person

My attack wasn't personal? I understand that you are not stupid; I don't think you are stupid. You have been stupid. But you are not stupid as a habit.

[Quilford]

So you think you deserve respect for a triggering situation, but are not willing

at all

to consider when someone else might feel triggered by your own words?

Only when that someone else is you as per #2846.

[Quilford]

So you think you deserve respect for a triggering situation

Also, no? what does this even mean? What? -- but hey, look, it's a new page, time to start afresh, nobody cares about our little dramafest, let's just go ahead and resume playing the game as you continue to insist you want to

[Quilford]

Hey, Quilford.

When you treat

anyone

like a jerk, you get treated as a jerk in return.

If you don't want that (which you don't),

don't be a jerk

. It might be obvious by now that I don't give a crap about the fact that you are insulting

me

, so find a better target--my worry on a social level is that you are an hypocrite, and that I can drop any attempt at being nice to you, because clearly you don't have any special need (or right) for kind treatment.

And my knowledge is that I am not a hypocrite; indeed I don't recall having any sort of personality conflict that leads to this sort of shitfest with anyone else. The problem is that were a jerk to me well before I did anything like that to you. So don't be a jerk yourself. And don't bullshit around with this kind of 'worry on a social level'. Please. It's just embarrassing.

Your insults definitely don't look like you think I'm scum, so carry on with them, by all means.
Why would I

be outright stupid

as scum? Tierce-scum would not "have been stupid", but you quickly dropped the "playing stupid" angle to outright attack me instead of looking at what advantages I could have from that kind of play, and instead of even looking through the games I referred (or others) to compare how I act. That's not scumhunting.

You're not being outright stupid. This is clearly some continued miscommunication error as I speculated in #2788. I am

so intensely frustrated

that you seem to get what I am saying in every post I make completely and utterly wrong. I am frustrated. That is why I called you stupid.

That's the difference. Because when I rile you up, I do it out of frustration and in an attempt to scumhunt.

Riiiiight.

You just appear to be trying to sling mud at me and throw a hissy fit in hopes I will think you wouldn't do it as scum. The problem? The problem is that I believe you are far more likely to recoil as Town, and this lashing out is, in my experience, very uncharacteristic of Town-Quilford and more likely to come from scum-Quilford, who I know doesn't like the alignment

I've recoiled. The difference between then and now is that I still cared what you thought of me up until my lashing out earlier this game.

but appears to feel a sort of power-trip from having more information (Abarat QT and ADwD hydra QT support this), thus being more likely to attempt to get stupid moral high grounds by petty ad hom.

lol. Not only is that the dumbest speculation I have heard on my alignment in recent memory, it doesn't even follow. Power-tripping... that would so totally explain why I posted, like, zero times during those games!

[Quilford]

Can you please stop posting? I thought you were going to stop posting.

[Quilford]

You just appear to be trying to sling mud at me and throw a hissy fit in hopes I will think you wouldn't do it as scum.

I wouldn't be hissy fitting at all if you didn't seem to consistently get the meaning of the content of my posts wrong, and then refuse to read how you got the meaning wrong under stupid pretenses like not liking reading quote-stripes.

[Quilford]

Okay, I'm stopping posting. Enjoy having the last word, if you want it.

[Quilford]

WAHT

[Quilford]

HURT: Xalxe

[Quilford]

HURT: Xalxe

[Quilford]

I will make a proper post when it is not very late and I am not suffering from a stomach bug.

[Quilford]

And one of those headaches that feels like someone is drilling through your skull without anaesthetic.

[Quilford]

HURT: Xalxe

[Quilford]

[Quilford]

I don't think I have ever taken that much abuse in a game of mafia. Fuck that was horrible.

Hurt/heal mechanics, methinks.

[Quilford]

Please hold...

[Quilford]

Actually Tierce could just concede.

[Quilford]

Yeah, I meant once Flay confirmed it.

[Quilford]

That would be more convincing if you hadn't called everyone and their mother scum as well, Zdenek. You were the one Hurting Xalxe, after all, and that precipitated the loss.

Oh Tierce, don't try to pretend that this was some sort of shotgun set of scum reads of mine. Kinetic was obviously scum, and I begged people to read him, and no one listened.

Kinetic played stubborn town very well, in my opinion, and it's the kind of play where if you don't question it for a long time it gets harder to question?

[Quilford]

I claim sexiest Angel sigil.

[Quilford]

Also I thought I was an Arel, not a Cherub?

[Quilford]

Nah my role PM says Arel.

[Quilford]

Haha, remember when we decided "fuck waiting, let's just kill everybody" after MattP died and then our evil plans went horrifically wrong

[Quilford]

Our righteous plans, I mean.

[Quilford]

We didn't know that, though. We were so freaking paranoid. >.>"

[Quilford]

Yeah, actually, I think we ended up not doing it because we thought we wouldn't win... Flay, do you think otherwise?

[Quilford]

There was a nice intersection of the sets {people who think Kinetic is scum} and {people who the town wants dead} that probably helped.

[Quilford]

I'm okay with scum QT release.

[Quilford]

huzzah?

[Quilford]

^