Mini 344 - Sesame Street Mafia (Over!)

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Welcome to seaseme street!

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Glork: Any reason you voted for Kain?

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Considering we started on day, I think you should speak up if you do have a reason Otherwise, this bandwagon has no real point.

Bandwagoning random people will only reveal power roles. Bandwagons should be based on suspicion.

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So you actualy didn't have anything and was trying to get a reaction? I kind of think Kain's reactions makes sense, the vote on Glork instead of Thok is a litte suspicous I guess, though it seemed Glork was pushing harder than really thok was.

What about snuffling elephats? Who said that? I guess I'll have to look back.

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Apathetic? I think he was just saying he wasn't seeing anything worthy of a vote yet. That's confusion maybe, but not apatethy.
I admit I am in the same boat, I don't know exactly how to read what's been going on, so I'm going to have to do a re-read.

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I'm going to

vote: Thok

. It's not a strong suspicion, but one nontheless.
I really don't like that last thing about slash that glork calls "Apathy".

FOS: Glork

From the banter I'm getting the impression that Glork and Thok are in a group together (Not Nessicerily scum, though possible)

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I meant calling slash apathertic makes no sense. He just didn't seem apathetic to me at all.

So, you're saying I'm being hasty n drawing connections on day 1, eh? That's funny since a few other players were not shny of doing the same thing, but when I do, of course it's puzzling. Huh?

I was just noting that Glork and Thok seem rather of one accorfd in their attack against Kain. Maybe I'm incorrect. It was a theory, not a accusation.

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Yosarian and Kain are both scum?
Why not Glork and Kain by the same reasoning?

Kain seems to be quoting someone, but didn't say who. Does anyone know what Kain ment by this? Obviously, even this isn't a quote I wasn't the first to suggest possible groupings, so why jump on me?

Arafax:
I'm currently undescided about Kain. Could you please recap Kain's 3 defences and which you think are wrong and why?

The day's not that long, and I'd like to have at least a little more discussion before we hit night.

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Arafax: Ok, I agree with your analysis of the 3 defences. I',m not 100% sure about Kain's guilt, though I do suspect him.

I think I'll keep my vote on Thok for now. The comment about Arafax being "apathetic" seemed just so off-base to me. Also his jumping on me for making connections when I was not the first one to do so. (Scum tells should work on EVERYBODY, not just those who disagree with you)

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Foolster, why did you think Thok and Glork were scum together? Scum don't usually follow each other around that quickly on day 1...

You're right about the second sentence, but it's funny how I said NOT NESSICERILY SCUM and you twist to I'm saying they are both scum. Intentional bending of my words much?

FOS: Yos2

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Oops! Missed this!

One thing I do note, though: Foolster points out a possible Thok/Glork connection. Mackay points out a possible Glork/Penguin connection. But the wording of each of those posts is important. Foolster jumps at the gun to vote Thok and FoS me... he's said we could be masons or scumbuddies or any other connected role, really. But he's choosing to be very aggressive in pursuing this "lead." Mackay is the more cautious, patient one, saying "If one turns up scum, the other should be considered." Based on these posting styles, Mackay is far more likely to be pro-town than Foolster. FoS: Foolster

I mainly voted Thok because of the arafax/apathetic thing which in my mind makes absalutly no sense. You went along with it, so I FOSed you for that and your gung-ho against Kain thing which I didn't really like.

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Glork:
I apoologize. Slash I mean. Quagmire confused me when he said Arafax.

Ah, so you admit my connections has merit now, Eh Glork?

I don't really agree about the apathetic thing. I'd think that this early in the game not everyone's going to be seeing the same things as being scummy, and are not nessicerily have any strong suspicions yet. Expecting every player to right away on day 1 to suspect someone just seems unrealistic to me.

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...And I didn't say apathey isn't a scum tell,. I just don't think Slash was apathetic.

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Yos2, You have it backwords, I suspected they were in a group together AND THEN accused Thok, and by assosiation Glork. And before you say I'm playing word games again, yes it does make a difference.
I started seeing the pattern of them being together, but didn't have any really big suspicion against either of them.
But when first Thok voted slash for being apathetic when I thought he clearly was not, and then Glork once again nodded his head at something the other did, my scumdar went off.

If they are not in a group, why would the other allow such a connection early, not knowing if the other person is scum trying to latch on or not?

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1. Quagmire never mentioned arafax at all (he mentioned Kain).
2. Given mackay's mistake, it seems unlikely to me that you'd make the same mistake as Quagmire, especially on a completely different person.
3. In your original post you claimed that I jumped on you for making connections. I never did such a thing-Glork has been the one pushing that argument.

I'm sorry, I get names mixed up. It was mackay who said Kain. I don't know what I was thinking then, probibly saw Quagmire's post just above it or something.
As for your third point, and Arafax's last sentence, I'll

unvote. Vote: Glork,

. Jumping around on bandwagons is scummy too,

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If you're so convinced I'm scum, and won't listen to me, then fine just lynch me then.

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What? The only things I apollogized for were things I was pretty sure I had done. What case did I apollogize for somehting I didn't do?

And yes, I'm frustrated because no one seems to be really listening to me. I am town, and I will claim right now if you want me to.

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No, it is not a "freuden slip" as you call it. As Glork said, a lot of people got names mixed up. People should know by now I'm terrible with names.

Right now, I'm less convinced Glork is scum. I didn't like the whole pushing thing on Kain, but I'm not entirly convinced he's scum from later posting.

unvote: Glork

Thok just seems too... persuasive and making quite a few conjectures. This could be simply miscalculation, but I've seen him play as scum where no one realized he was scum until teh very end (Remember news mafia, Glork, I think you were in that too).

I'll hold off on voting for now. I can't remember what happened, or maybe I just missed it, why suspicous of Penguin? (Save me reading through once again)

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Thok: Hmm. that's weird, I was sure it was the other way.
Regardless, My main point anyways doesn't have much to do with order. My reasoning was: 1.)Thok and Glork also seem to agree alot. 2.)Thok seems scummy, and Glork does too.Scum group?
The conclusion works with either order of 1-2 or 2-1.

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So, you think they're in a group because they're not trying to look like they're not in a group? What kind of sense does that make?

No that's not what I'm saying at all.
My point was simply that one does not allow the impression of being grouped together with a person they do not know. So, then why would someone allow the impression unless they were either 1.)Careless (Which I didn't think was likely for you or Glork) or 2.)Buddies of some sort.

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I feel I should also point out that I am less confident in my Glork-Thok pairing right now.

Bah! I mean Yos2. I did it again, darn it! I thihk I'm getting the black and white avatars mixed up.

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Kain: Could you please elaberate on why you suspect me?

Perhaps my last 2 posts were confusing. When I said I mixed up Thok and Yos2, I only meant the address to Thok when I meant to address it to Yos2, obviously the "you" twords the end would also be changed to Thok as well.

also, no one answered my question about penguin. I guess I'll have to go back and check myself then.

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Hmm. I see, saying Cookie monster is his "guess" as being scum or SK. I geuss that at least deserves a

FOS: Diabolical penguin

, though I'm not quite ready to vote yet. I'm still not completly confident in anyone being scum, though Thok I'd say is leading on my suspicions by a hair.

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...That is I'm not ready to change my vote yet. Of course I'm still voting Thok. You get the idea.

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Glork, you beat me to the punch. Arafax's willingness to jump on the bandwagon is a scumtell to me, as it's something that a certain Pooky would call, "throwing the scum partner under the bridge, steamroller, boat, whatever," so that he can pump his innocence D2 if/when Fooly Cooly is found as scum.

Either that, or he's just a mafia trying to push off an innocent because he knows Fooly is scum. I don't really like the logic on Foolster right now, as I think a couple of errors like that doesn't really make a person a total scumbag.

However, I am strongly suspicious of Arafax. Vote: Arafax

I'm having a hard time understanding the second paragraph. The first sentence is worded badly. Could you please rephrase?

If I understand correctly, You think Arafax is scummy because it looks like he's trying to "throw me under the bus", but you don't think you have enough proof that I am scum? Is that what you're saying here?
Because if you are, that makes no sense. Think about it for a second. If I'm not scum (It seems you admit is possible), Then it's not a bus-throwing manuver, now is it? Or did I misunderstand?

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I too would really like to see a vote count.

Right now, I'm most supicous of Arafax, who seems to want me killed and Thok, who seems to be eagerly following bandwagons and willingness to follow the tide.

DiablicPinguin is maybe a little bit scummy from the whole cookie monster thing, but then again, that just could have been a mistake.

In terms of posting style, I'd say Glork and Yos2 are most likely innocent. What I mean is, they seem to be playing for the intrests of the town.

Everyone else I'm not entirly sure either way.

My analisys of Glork/Thok being a group together I'm pretty sure now is wrong. I think I jumped to a few conclusions too early. At the same time, I feel I should say that I was less saying "Aha! Thok and Glork are together" so much as "Hmm, I wonder if Thok and Glork are together..."

Anyway, in the interst of moving the game foreword i'll

unvote Thok and Vote: Arafax

. That's 4, I believe.

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I expect all

pro-town

players to let me know their opinion on my claiming...Thanks!

This seems rather unrealistic if you really mean that. So only people who are actually pro-town may speak up? Are you really expecting the scum to be that dumb?

Obviously it is your choice weither you want to go down to the grave silent. No else is playing for you. Of course I also agree that in 99.99% of the time it is better for a player to reveal than die unrevealed. If the answer to your question is so darn obvious, then tell me why ask it?

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Hmm. interesting.

unvote

Bert and Ernie seem likely canidates for apearing in this game.

I have to agree with thok that it the proof of your role lies with your mason buddy.
On the other hand, one kill and the mason group is broken up, thus eliminating the power of the role.

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About the "overly protective of Kain and Slash" comment:

The only time I "defended" kain was from the IS-esque "die scum die" from Glork, which Glork later admited was just crap to get a reaction. I'm still not used to this type of play, and frankly it worries me when people use it. I prefer a less chaotic style of hunting scum.

Later Thok gave an analysis of Kain's defences, and I agreed they were at least a little suspicous even. (I forgot about this in my list, bump Kain up from "neutral" to "A little scummy")

The one time I defended slash was when he was called "Apathetic" by Thok and Glork.

Hate to look like a lurker but i been busy. No vote just yet as there seems to be no evidence for scummy behaviour.

The "no evidence for scummy behavior" merits a vote unvote Kain, vote slash.

I simply said I didn't thinik of this as being apathetic. Confused? yes, but not really apathetic. Part of the reason I spoke up because I was feeling just about the same way at that point in the game.

..And a prod of DP and Quadmire would be nice, mod.

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Oh yeash, I'm too used to dp = dragon phenoix, but he's not playing in this game.

Ok. Now I'm ready

unvoter

(If I am) and

Vote: Diabolical penguin

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Well, DP made some comments about someone possibly being cookie monsters, and then seemed to insuate that cookie monster is possibly Sk or scum.

Posts starting at the begining of this page at #200 i think summerizes the entire thing.

Arafax: Lurkyness should NEVER be a playstyle. If we get too used to a player being lurky, then we're just letting them have a bye when they play as scum. We need EVERYONE to participate. I understand if they can't becaus of real life, but in that case they should be replaced.
If they are lurking intentionaly then they need to be lynched. Only anti-town roles should be afraid to post.

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Thok:

FOS everyone? O.o I'm sorry, Thok but that makes no sense, though I sense you may be partly joking (I hope so). Obviously everyone can't be scum.

So, you don't think what DiPen did was even a little suspicous? I admit, I don't completly trust Glork right now. (Actually, I don't really trust you either), but it seems like some good evedence. I'm not sure what to make of Maclay's turning around. This is the second time someone's turned from very suspicous to very little suspicions.

Mackay: could you more clearly explain why you now trust DiPen?

Thok:
What scum tells, or are you seeing? (if you don't want to say yet, that's fine). Just wondering if you're seeing the same tells as I'm seeing. (I'm not even sure if my tells are even tells actually)

I really do not like Arafax's comment about Quag's lurking being a playstyle.

FOS: Arafax

. I'm not sure how to feel about Arafax. On the one hand, he seems scummy, on the other hand I'm really worried he may just be playing badly and risking a loss of a mason group.

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Arfafax: Did you bother reading the text just above the text you quoted? That might help. I said you saying how Quag's lurking can be a "style: is completly wrong and is one of my bigest suspicions against you right now. Other smaller things too, some Thok mentioned.

I'm not really convinced outing the mason is such a good idea either. Now, if we're really sure Arafax is lying, we could try calling the bluff, but that seems risky to me.

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Doesn't what Quag said make anyone else nervous? As I said before, being quiet should NEVER be a "style" of play. I admit I used to be very quiet in games too, but I think it's harder to read a player who's lurking on purpose, and thus they should be lynched, or threatened with a lynch until they speak up.

FOS: Quagmire

Quag:
I never said he was confirmed or asumed he is what he says he is, I do agree he is suspicous, but I guess I'm afraid of the possibility of his telling the truth. If the town as a whole feels confident that he is lying, then we should try calling his bluff by forcing out the mason buddy. I'd say I'm about 60-70% sure right now that he's lyiing.

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Quagmire says he doesn't post much especially Day 1. It seems a bit weird to say that, but whatev. So yeah, Foolster, I don't like taht statement either.

Whose statement don;t you like? Quags or mine?

If mine, then why do you think it is acceptible "Style" to lurk? Isn't it always bad for the town to have lurkers who are unreadible?

I tend to agree with Yos2 on this one, they should probibly keep quiet unless Arafax does something that really screams scum.

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You know, I think Quag is starting to be a it more suspicous than DiPen right now,

unvote. vote: Quagmire

Thok: Not to sound like a broken record, but why do you highly suspcct me? Because of the Glork/Thok conenction which I now think is wrong?

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Thok: Yeah, I meant Yos2. Like I said before, I think it's the black and white avatars, and me not paying enough attention.

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Ok, thanks for the answer.

I don't know exactly how to respond to that. I wasn't trying to be deseptive or anything, bad memory and having trouble getting out what I really mean to say. I guess I can see the suspicion there.

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Kain: In Glork's last post, he mentioned that he was talking about lynching Arafax BEFORE arafax claimed, he was just clearifying some other confusion (See the previous page).

So, I guess we're just hanging out waiting for slash to be replaced?

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I'm happy with my quagmire vote. he's not been contributing much this entire game.

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Quagmire: I may not have solid gold everytime I post, but I am not afraid to post.
Not saying much makes a player harder to read, thus my frustration. This isn't just my opinion, DiPen has also said he wished you to speak up, and I suspect others may feel this way as well which have not spoken up.

Stop defending your chronic lurkiness.

confirm vote: Quagmire

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Bluemonick: Do you have a specific reason, or are you just jumping on a bandwagon? I have my own reasons, just I'd like to know.

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Er, I have my own reasons to suspect thok myself is what I meant to say.

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Sneeky? I'm just trying to be clear that I'm saying "Why on earth would you vote thok?"
I don't think Bluemonick's reason is a very good one, I thought thok's point was reasonible. I'm going to have to look back, because come to think of it, I've forgotten why I voted thok in the first place. I think I'm playing too many mafia games

unvote: Thok

for now.

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Thok: Yeah, I went to bed and then realized I had been voting for quagmire. Bah.

vote: Quagmire

in case the mod descided to count that as a unvote anyway.

I'm just trying to be clear that I'm NOT saying "Why on earth would you vote thok?"

Bah. fixed. I said the exact opposite of what I meant to say.

Are you claiming mason tamuz? If so, why didn't slash say somehting earlier sbout being mason?

MOD: Please edit the first post to include replacements.

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I think Arafax has a good point, we have two colaberating masons with a good flavor, and what do you have, nothing? What do you expect us to do? Lynch one of two who look like they are telling the truth, or someone out of the blue (and rather late) crying out your a mason.

Are you trying to even tell us that joker/arafax are lying, or that there are two mason groups? both seem hard to swallow.

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Hmm. I think I get what Tamuz's is doing, but I'm not sure if it has any point.

Could we have a vote count please? I've forgotten who I'm voting for, Quagmire I think.

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What I mean is, I'm not sure it's very helpful.
The problem is, Tamuz seems to think it would defeat the pirpose (create WIFOM situation) so I'm afraid of blowing it by saying too much and completly ruining what Tamuz is trying to do.

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My Possible Scum list:
Quagmire - Lurkish. Claims is "Style", but lurking is always bad for town.
DiPen - Pinning Cookie monster as SK.
Mackay/BlueMonik - Voted Thok for no real good reason. (Thok's "Look at other 10 players", which I thought was reasonable and "because Thok has 2 other votes")
Thok - Bandwagon Following.
Slash/Tamuz - ?
Kain - ? (I can't remember and looking back at his posts I don't see anything jumping out)
Twito - ?
Yosarian2 - ?
Glork - Pushyish, probibly just be style.
Arafax - Claimed Mason W/ Joker
Joker - Claimed Mason W/ Arafax.
Foolster41 - Me. Avvused of being protective of Kain from self0called "crap" from Glork. Foolster's Bad memory and trouble writing caused some confusion.

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No, I'm not Kain. I seem to remember suspecting you for something, but I just can't remember what it was. I havn't really looked in-deph yet,. otherwise I would know.

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Quqg: Just as much or more than most of the players? That is simply untrue. The only one under you in posts is joker.

FOS: Joker

The Post count Thus far:
1.Glork: 62
2.Kain: 48
2.Foolster: 48
3.Arafax: 41
4.Mackay/BlueMonick: 31 (24+7)
5.Thok 29
6.Twito 28
6.Yos2 28
7.DiPen: 19
8.Slash/Tamuz: 16 (2+14)
9.Quagmire: 15
10.Joker: 12

I know you're going to ask why am I not attacking joker then since he is more of a lurker than you.
The truth is lurking is not the only reason I suspect you.

I don't like when you are accused of lurking you defend it as "playstyle". Lurking is NEVER good for the town. If it's accepted as style when they are town, then there's no way to read them when they play as scum. Therefore it should alwasy be punished. and then you outright lied (or just said something without first checking if they were true atleast).

confirm vote: quagmire

I'm sure you have some opinions about who's scummy and why. We would like to hear them.

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What I mean to say in that last paragraph is, "start posting and contributing, if you're pro-town you have nothing to hide"

Kain, Arafax: I'm not suspecting Glork much anymore, (at the same time I'm not 100% sure he's pro-town), but I'm not sure I agree that #406 is something no sane scum would say. Is your reasoning the "too scummy to be scummy" argument, because frankly that's too you-know-what-in-front-of-me for me.

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Bah. I honestly forgot he was the other mason. It was less a finger of suscipion so much as poke to post more anyway.

I admit, content in posts is good,and Quagmire has had some pretty good long posts at the begining, but look at posts 13 and 14 using the filter. Just plain bandwagoning without much reason (He quoted someone on one, but that hardly take originality and hardly helps get a read)
I feel I also caught him in a pretty good LIE about posting equal or more than most of the other players. Acording to lynch all liers, we should lynch Quagmire.He is lurking and trying to hide the fact he is lurking. What I want to know is, why are you defending him, Tamuz?

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Yos2: So, nothing about qiuagmire's lie? Just giving a reason why you're happy with your vote on me and then realizing that you completly misunderstood?

Twito: Yes, thank you for repeating what was already said. As I also said the quallity of Quag's posts have been sloughing off recently.

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I didn't mean to imply that was your only reason you suspect me, I know very well there are other reasons. I was mearly noting the only you thing you said you yourself admited was misunderstanding.
I also understand and respect your wanting to keeping back either way for now until things devlop more.

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Kain: Any specific reason WHY I'm so scummy all of the reason that you went from iGMEOY to lynch? Because I denied kissing up to you, or is it the part whee I explain that Quag's last couple postsd have been bandwagoning and thus my suspicion?

Bluemonic: Same question. What are your reasons for all the sudden seeing how "obviously" scummy I am, besides the fact that I "already have votes." which isn't a good reason.

I'm adorable cute Baby Bear who roleblocks with his cuteness

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Er IGMEOY to VOTE I meant to say.

Yes, quallity would justify a low quanity, but I really don't think the quallity of Quag's posts justifies his current level of quanity, espeicaly in his third and second to last votes which were almost nil content. (The last one being where he answers my accusations of lurking and where he LIED)

Don't forget that I caught Quagmire LYING about his votes, saying he had was voting equal or more than the most of the town, which was competly untrue.

I'm rather frustrated that that no one wants to even consider Quag guilty for lying, instead they go after me for vauge scummyness

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Kain: Yes. I am claiming roleblocker. It seems whenever I claim there's always someone who asks "So, you're claiming X?". I agree that it's very very very unlikely that joker/arafax are lying about being masons.

Yos: Babybear was a reletivly recent added character. Night 1 hasn't happened yet since we started in day.

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When I say I have no suspicion, what I mean is I have no idea either way. Nothing perticularly strikes me as being either perticularly scummy or towny. I tend to go twords thinking he's town from recent posting. I'd say I'm 55% sure he's innocent.

DiPen: Honestly, looking back I don';t see anything on Kain. Should I? Do I ALWAYS
have to be suspicous of the same people that you are? Is there something obvious I'm missing. If so, you should point it out.

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Hmm. true about the bandwagon. "Kissing up" I think is hardly very good evidence to vote me. Any other reasons why you (thought I was/Think I am) scum Kain? It does seem like maybe he's impaitent scum trying to get someone lynched or at least a role outed. Bump my suspicion to 60% sure he's scum (40% sure he's town)

BlueMonic just seems to be following bandwagons, which I also really do not like.

FOS: BlueMonic

As for your points about his reactions to your attack at the begining, I just don't see any good proof in that either way. I also think his explinations are adiquite why it is extremly unlikely that arafax and joker are lying about being masons, and thus why he would make such a statement.

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My New updated scum list: (With % of how sure I am they are scum)
Quagmire (80%) - Lurkish. Claims is "Style", but lurking is always bad for town. Lied about posted equal or more than rest of town.
Kain (60%) - Voting for "kissing up".
Slash/Tamuz (58%) - Defending Quagmire
Mackay/BlueMonik (55%)- Voted Thok for no real good reason. (Thok's "Look at other 10 players", which I thought was reasonable and "because Thok has 2 other votes")
DiPen (55%) - Pinning Cookie monster as SK.
Thok (52%)- Bandwagon Following.
Twito (50%)-
Yosarian2 (50%)-
Glork (45%) - Pushyish, probibly just be style.
Arafax (10%)- Claimed Mason W/ Joker
Joker (10%)- Claimed Mason W/ Arafax.
Foolster41 (0%)- Me. Accused of being protective of Kain from self-called "crap" from Glork. Mys Bad memory and trouble writing caused some confusion. Roleblocker.

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I admit I was confusing before, mostly in addressing some Thok's concerns before, but i had thought I was being more clear now. If there's something I said that's still confusing , please point it out and I will try my best to explain.

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...It might have been Yos actually. Sorry, I know. not helping.

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I too would back a bluemonick wagon.

Glork: Personaly though I do suspect Kain, I think Quag is a much better canidate for a vig hit.

By the way quag, joker/pinkprincess is now only 3 posts under you. You might want to think about posting somethign soon or you WILL be the worst lurker here. I mean, how hard can it be? By now there's got to be SOMETHING to talk about.

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ok, actually 2 under.

Missed this before:

One is metagamitically, last time I though blue was scum I investigated him to be innocent.

Asuming a pattern when there is no reason for it to be a pattern? This is crap logic.

Did you notice that right after I call quagmire on a outright lie (Which Quag himself hasn't responded to yet) 3 people jump on me with really little or no reasoning. I dsagree with Tamuz since Quag lied and as I said before his QUALLITY recently is not enough to justify his QUANITY (or lack thereof). Probibly one of the three is scum with Quagmire.

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Yos:

admit I was confusing before, mostly in addressing some Thok's concerns before, but i had thought I was being more clear now. If there's something I said that's still confusing , please point it out and I will try my best to explain.

This is what I meant.

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Tamuz: Hmm. Ok. I misunderstood what you were saying there.

Quagmire:
You said you were posting equal if not more than most of the town. I checked the post count and found that this was flat out not true.

You were gone? That would explain why you wern't responding. I really don't read the away thread (I beleive I have said this quite a few times, though maybe I need to sig it too). So maybe your level of lurking is slightly less than I thought (We'll see how you post now you are back), but I still don't like what you said about posting >= most of the town when it wasn't true.

Diverting attention? I beleive I have been on your case for quite a while about your lukyness. The first time I was bandwagoned had nothing to do with you, but the second time I started really collecting votes was DIRECTLY AFTER I voted for YOU.

[Foolster41]

"Crapshoot logic"? Care to give an actual example with that?

As for the list w/ percentages. it's just something to show how much I suspect people., rather than listiing them in order to give a clearer veiw of how close they are in my mind to each other. Why would listing myself at 0% as opposed to not listing myself be more proof that I am scum? This seems like a hollow argument to me.

[Foolster41]

Twito:
True it isn't a very big lie, but I feel a lie nonetheless. Even if he meant content-wise, I don't think it is true that he is posting equal or more than mosf of the town (Though perhaps closer to most of the town).
Also, he has been defending lurking as "style" (Being away was the only good reason he gave for not posting this game) and accusing me of "diverting attention" which again is FALSE.

[quote=Glork]
....BM also gave off my favorite scumtell if my three current suspicions are right.
Pick three players -- one scumbuddy (Kain) and two pro-town roles (Quag/Fool).[/quote]
WHat do you mean by this, Glork?

[Foolster41]

Quagmire:
I still disagree that I havn't pushed harder against you when the votes piled on me, so It really has anything to do with me trying to divert attention from myself, though I can see that as different interpitation.

As for not targeting suspicions against me, a few times I've offered to explain any suspicions against me. Someone said I was confusing, and I don't really have an answer for that beyond admiting I was confusing and apollogizing. If there are any other lurking suspicions I would like to hear it so I can do my best to answer them.

I'm starting to have second thoughts on Quagmire's guilt. Not really sure.

Unvote

For now. Right now I'm mostly looking at Kain (Depending on what he says and how confirmable his role is) and blue monick mostly. A little suspicion on Tamuz too.

[Foolster41]

I don't know how I feel either about Kain's claim either way.
I was going to move on to Blue monick, but I suppose we should agree if Kain is the play for tonight before possibly outing another townie.

If Kain does die and turns up innocent. I'd look very closely as Glork. He's been pushing offly hard for Kain's demise, and overly confident statments like "doodz a dirty scumbag" make me all the more suspicious.

[Foolster41]

I meant "play for today" not tonight. Sorry, typo. Obviously you can't kill a person if they are already dead.

I mentioned night killing before that, but that was in response to Glork who wanted who suggested nightkilling someone (Kain I think) and I said I thought at the time that Quagmire was a better choice.

[Foolster41]

Wow that was a fast night.

I assure you I am pro-town. It looks like too we have a SK or a misguided vig as well considering we have two kills.

[Foolster41]

I'm thinking the drive-by sounds more like the mafia's style. The blungening would be more likely a SK (or vig?) then.

It is weird that the GF would be papa bear. I don't know what to make of this.

[Foolster41]

I rolebklocked BlueMonick last night, since he was the most suspicous to me.
That means since there were two kills either he's either:
1.)Not scum or
2.) He's scum and didn't do the killing
I'm leaning twords the second choice personaly.

Quagmire: Did I jump off? I'm still suspicous of you, but post just after I lowered my suispicion of you sounded verpro-town. Don't push your luck. As for Kain, we can't always be right. I was suspicious, but wasn't sure if Kain was the right lynch (See my last post of day 1) When I got back, Kain was already lynched.

[Foolster41]

"..just BEFORE I lowered my suspicion" obviously. I'm not psycic.

[Foolster41]

Sorry. Triple plost, but also I bet the mafia group is papa+mama+curly (or whatever her name is)

I had never heard of the other bear, but that would make sense since there is most likely only 3 maf+SK so not every bear can be in the mafia.

[Foolster41]

Tamuz: why would baby bear be pro-town? Because there's four bears and at most three scum. One of them has to be either not in this game or pro-town.

[Foolster41]

Vote: Bluemonick

I think everyone is missing a few things here. Everyone was pretty suspicous of BM, (including myself) so I chose him for a roleblock. This seemed a pretty obvious choice.BM Lying and saying her KNEW I roleblocked him was stupid (No offense, BM we all make stupid moves at least once), but isn't proof possitive that I am scum with him. As I said before, just because I happen to be a bear doesn't mean I'm in the mafia either (Though Understand why you might think so I suppose).
Remember though that there are four bears and probibly only three mafia with SK (That seems to be the consensous). I think Curley (That her name?) and mama bear are the two remaining scum with maybe Thok, Tamuz or maybe Dipen as the SK.
(Did DiPen ever claim? I can't remember.)
Thok is very good at playing very pro-townish through a game and then surrprising everyone (See news mafia) so I wouldn't be too surprised if he were the SK even though he's been playing pretty pro-townish this game.

[Foolster41]

Why would that prove I lied? Because you're asuming there's only one mafia left? I thought the consenus was there's 3 mafia + 1 SK, so if we kill BM and find he's mafia, then wouldn't it mean that there's 2 scum left (1 Maf+1SK)?

[Foolster41]

I think I see. You think each mafia member has a different kill (rollingpin for mama bear)?
I think the SK could still be the one with the rolling pin. The drive-by shooting sounds very mafia esque, though I'm not sure what character would using rollin pin from seaseme st. I don't think Swedish chef has ever apeared on Seaseme St, even though both Chef and SS characters are muppets.

[Foolster41]

There's obviously still a SK out there.
I guess I wasn't allowed to commit suicide last night.

vote: Foolster

[Foolster41]

What? You obviously don't think I role blocked. If there is one more bear leftt. who would it be, and what weapon would that bear maybe use? I think this is obvious enough to figuire it out yourself.