Outwitted - Mini 1254 (Game Over)

[Andrius]

OKAY SO WE DON'T HAVE A FUCKING VIGILANTE?

WE HAVE TO DO THE DIRTY WORK OURSELVES?

Vote: Zang

OBVIOUSLY THE LYNCH FOR TODAY
DO IT FOLKS

Most vigs don't shoot N0.
Well, I was a vig and shot myself N0 in SkypeMafia but that's because the game was screwy.

Unvote
Vote: Lurconis

I found scum guys.

I was going to insta-vote him thinking some form of guilty, but then I realized you're not claiming info.

Vote: Llamarble

For taking out half my scumteam in Strategy Mafia. *shakes fist*

No GI, we're not going to PL anyone D2. Now or never. Pushing policy lynches and lynching idiots later in the game is something Fate_scum does. :/ With strategic bussing of course.

[Andrius]

Anyone who used cards between 1-4 is stuuuuuuuuupid.

>______________________________________>

[Andrius]

Anyone who used cards between 1-4 is stuuuuuuuuupid.

Anyone who used cards between 1-4 is stuuuuuuuuupid.

Fishing for power roles, darox?

Nah.
Just misreading the rules.

On a related note, I've got a fun idea.

Let's claim our point totals we played last night.

On a related note, I've got a fun idea.

Let's claim our point totals we played last night.

unvote

Vote:Darox

I JUST called you out for this as role-fishing, since finding out how many points everyone used is obviously going to give hints as to who is a power role and who is a VT, you siad "Oh, I wasn't rolefishing, I just didn't understand the rules", and now you're right back to role-fishing.

Ok yeah this entire exchange is bad, given Yos just called him out for rolefishing and he then just dropped another one right after that.

Vote: Darox

If someone has le guilty on Lucronis or something I feel like we should roll with that. Nothing like starting a game off with guilties/daykills YESSSS

Yeah, I was realyl surprised with the Fishy kill as there's no way they could have known he was cop. So yeah Idk what to think and it was definitely a shocker. :/

<3 Ludi. You take care now, and do what needs be done.

[Andrius]

Vote: Andrius

Andrius, can you explain why you're making the comments you are about the night kill in post 57?

I was responding to the first part of this:

Also who would've killed Fishy?
I could definitely see Yos doing it considering Dilemma Mafia.
And I'd expect most other people to kill Yos or Spyrex or maybe Grey.

VOTE: Yos
Oh, I also have a secret reason but we'll see if that pans out.

There's more of course, but we need not dig deeper at present.

[Andrius]

All will be well.

[Andrius]

I am a bandwagon whore.

Unvote, vote Lurconis

Outsourcing your vote?
Basically not taking responsibility for your vote?
This man is scum.

[Andrius]

Andrius, vote Lurc instead.

Darox is town.

It's okay.

Just calm down.

Put him at L-1.

And everything will be okkaaaaay.

I see the Lurc case.
And I agree with you.
But Darox is a big shiny mafia pinata and I really want to beat it open with a stick.
CANDY FOR THE CANDY GOD

Like seriously, let's just say he's town for am argument.
Let's say he's the basest form- VT.
Meaning the only effective weapons he has are his voice and his vote.
He's using neither and actually selling out his vote- by not taking responsibility for this he's effectively trying to avoid the responsibility of actually voting people. Perhaps he'll come back in LyLo and go "WELL I JUST SHEEPED THE OTHER TOWNIES COME ON".

Nope.
Not on my watch.

[Andrius]

Proxying your vote isn't a scumtell though, and he's done it...once?

I've seen this done over and over from scum. Another example would be outsourcing a daykill.
Am I getting the point across?

I see the Lurc case.
And I agree with you.
But Darox is a big shiny mafia pinata and I really want to beat it open with a stick.
CANDY FOR THE CANDY GOD

Like seriously, let's just say he's town for am argument.
Let's say he's the basest form- VT.
Meaning the only effective weapons he has are his voice and his vote.
He's using neither and actually selling out his vote- by not taking responsibility for this he's effectively trying to avoid the responsibility of actually voting people. Perhaps he'll come back in LyLo and go "WELL I JUST SHEEPED THE OTHER TOWNIES COME ON".

Nope.
Not on my watch.

Hiiiiiiii Andrius.

[Andrius]

Seraphim I'm not saying I don't see Lurcronis_scum I just see Darox_scum and its much more red than Lurc. How do you not see it?

Spy why the eh read on me? If you have suspicions then lay them out.

Hello Fate!
I'd say actually read and see we haven't had a day yet but you have your ways.

I'll reread later on whilst the thread is small and reread the Lurc case and look for Darox' buddies.

[Andrius]

Seraphim I'm not saying I don't see Lurcronis_scum I just see Darox_scum and its much more red than Lurc. How do you not see it?

I'll reread later on whilst the thread is small and reread the Lurc case and look for Darox' buddies.

Recommend you drop it before you spill your figurative guts all over the carpet.

Not that you aren't doing that anyway, but you know, quit while your spleen hasn't leaked over everything and all that. Come play on the much cleaner Lurc wagon instead.

I'm not one to be intimidated by guts spilling. Especially not in a zor game.

Fate you tell me right now where I "breadLOAVED scum" because I haven't crumbed (yet).

Erm, I don't play with Zang much, and I've only seen him as town recently. You're saying you want me to help lynch Zang because he always lurks regardless of alignment? Pah. And you "hate his posts"? Ok well good for you. Why do you keep saying we don't have a vig that's most likely untrue from simple zoraster being the mod. lol

You tell me where I'm scummy, GI.
Because you're calling alot of people scum and using reasons less often.

And Andrius was the one that "oh noes I was so sad HOW DID THEY FIND THE COP????" ffs.

Aaaaaaand now you're overstating my post.

Hmm. Iffy.

Still though, Andrius' blood would make me happy too.

For one post, right?

Meh. Darox feels like town now. That degree of shameless bandwagoning just doesn't feel like scum.

unvote:darox

That means I have to

bullshi

find another suspect to vote for. One moment.

Explain. How does giving up the most important things a townie has because he's "lazy" and "shameless" mean he's town? No. He's outsourcing his vote and his voice not even trying.
Ergo, scum.

Hrmm, have I ever actually played with GI before?

HOWEVER since this game is in the early fueling phases and I'm still brbbaby I'm CONCOCTING MASTER PLAN ALPHA:

SHEEP FATE MODE INITIALIZED.

Seriously?

at least two investigative roles

So not a limit, whoever brought it up.

I'm at L-2.
Don't hammer without a claim please, no matter how hard they scream for blood. <3
The only thing I'll drop when cracked are pastries.

[Andrius]

Ok so the Lurc wagon is not srs bsns so why don't we move over to Darox?
Does ANYONE not understand my case?

[Andrius]

Cut the crap Tigger. Like half the people on me aren't even doing anything. lol

I'm a town Doctor. Protected Yos N1 since I wanted to actually play with him, and though he'd be a good N1 choice. I used a 10 and a 1 for a combined total of 11, since I had 55 points total and wanted to spread them out as long as possible over 4 nights with a backup 11 to throw at important claims.

My lament over Fishy was because he was the Cop (obv) and I had no way of knowing, otherwise I could have protected him.

[Andrius]

Questions?

[Andrius]

But seriously Spy's sheeping Fate, GI is voting me for [?] Darox is [?] and LLD has legit "reasons". And CES is [?] as well.
So yeah cool wagon guys.
"Reasons" being me (Doc) lamenting the Cop's fate.

predit: Whoops. Yeah, that is Hobbes. How'd I fuck that up? lol
Darox, I don't care if you're trying to be all CRYPTIC PR or some nonsense like that or WHATNOT.
Because I think you're scum REGARDLESS.

[Andrius]

I don't beg.

See, that's why I don't know if I can trust the claim.

While it's possible you were the doc being all "OH NOES DAT COP", there's also the off chance you and/or your scum team decided to have you claim Doctor (or maybe there is a scum doctor) because it would make sense with what you're being strung up for...

Dammit all.

"MER MER MER IM BLACKBERRY"

But seriously, good for you. Was it you who did the "this is really noncommital to that one catchup post?

"Make sense for what im strung up for"? You're the only one with reasons, and they're crap but whatever the dick-measuring brigade can do as they please.

ANYWHO going to find that post and see if IIRC'd

[Andrius]

Oh? You don't see the advantage of defending weak players who are generally doing nothing, and casting doubt on the strong players when the other strong players are pushing said weak players?

The player I cast doubt upon WERE the players who had basically done nothing pro-town yet this game at the time of my post. That would be you, SpyreX, and Lurconis. SpyreX is a strong player, Lurconious seems to be a weak player; I've only played with you once, I think, but my general impression is that you are somewhere in between.

Are you saying that when a strong player fails to act in a pro-town way, I should ignore it, and go after weaker players instead?

Andrius

Mostly null; he gets some town points for some reasonable looking scumhunting.

Fate Magister Ludi

I think I've played 4 or 5 games with Fate now, and I still don't know how to read him. That being said, I don't have any specific problems with his posts thus far. Going to put him in the null to townish range for now.

Cogito Ergo Sum

No problems with his play thus far. He can fake scumhunting quite well as scum, though. Null-ish.

Spyrex being paranoid about me and not knowing why is probably null for him. On the other hand, "I think the person I'm voting for is town but I'm going to stay on this bandwagon (the biggest one in the game)" does not make any sense to me at all. If you think a bandwagon is probably bad, you stay the hell off if it and find a better bandwagon. All that weirdness about "I'm sticking with this wagon because don't think Serephem is bussing" doesn't make any sense, either; if you thought Serephem WAS bussing, then that'd be a GREAT reason to sheep on him. When the scum want to bus each other, what you do is you fuel up the bus, give it a tune-up, put a huge V-8 engine in that baby and hand them the keys with a smile. Ok, that analogy got a little werid, but you get my drift. "I'm going to follow this bad wagon because I don't think it's one scum bussing another" just seems so anti-town I can't wrap my head around it.

The rest of his posting is pretty thin. The one where he declares that Darox and GreyIce are both town actually does make sense to me, but Spyrex doesn't come off well here in general.

Conclusion: scummy-ish, want more data.

LLamarble

Probably town-ish. Nightkill speculation is of course unreliable as hell, but it's a perfectly valid reason to place a day 1 vote, even when it's wrong. I also feel better about him now that he cleared up that his "secret scumtell" on me was that he didn't like the way I was going after Darox.

Seraphim

Thinking he's probably town. His charge against Lurconis is just so ludicrously over-the-top to an almost silly degree on such thin evidence. I don't really see a scum coming out of the gate with a move like that, although it is possible.

So much waffle language going on here.

Ah, it was GI not LLD.
*shrug*

[Andrius]

What about the claim, Sera?

[Andrius]

Oh shit he did claim

Cut the crap Tigger. Like half the people on me aren't even doing anything. lol

I'm a town Doctor. Protected Yos N1 since I wanted to actually play with him, and though he'd be a good N1 choice. I used a 10 and a 1 for a combined total of 11, since I had 55 points total and wanted to spread them out as long as possible over 4 nights with a backup 11 to throw at important claims.

My lament over Fishy was because he was the Cop (obv) and I had no way of knowing, otherwise I could have protected him.

Wait you can combine cards? >_>

<_<

Man how the fuck did I pass that logic test

Unvote:

hmmmm scum claiming doc d1...

Yes, yes you can read the goddamn sample pms and stop being an idiot Fate.
Anywho.



Fate

[Andrius]

FATE
ADD THE FOLLOWING UP
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10

TELL ME WHAT YOU GET

[Andrius]

HINT:

THE SUM OF
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10

IS 55

DIVIDED OVER 5 NIGHTS
= 11

[Andrius]

FATE
ADD THE FOLLOWING UP
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10

TELL ME WHAT YOU GET

HINT:

THE SUM OF
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10

IS 55

DIVIDED OVER 5 NIGHTS
= 11

[Andrius]

HINT
ADD TOPS AND BOTTOMS
1 and 10
2 and 9
3 and 8
4 and 7
5 and 6

11
11
11
11
11
= 55


predit: GODDAMMIT FATE ITS NOT THAT HARD ITS MATH

[Andrius]

yeah.
drop that now
one last suspicion
and then you can bring it back up later
good scum move

i was trying to explain how math works, fate, since apparently you can't look at single-digit numbers and add them up

oh i know you wont forget you're not a dumb player by no means

[Andrius]

Whoooooooa. I did not read my role PM very well. I was not aware you could combine cards either. I guess I took it from the VT PM where you can only use one at a time.

Unvote
Vote: Yosarian

:headdesk:

[Andrius]

yeah.
drop that now
one last suspicion
and then you can bring it back up later
good scum move

i was trying to explain how math works, fate, since apparently you can't look at single-digit numbers and add them up

oh i know you wont forget you're not a dumb player by no means

You calling me scum bro?
I can have you dead again like that *snaps fingers*

yeah, i just called you scum
and if people calling you scum = instadeath [?] then that's fine by me because im not afraid of calling you scum
or darox
i mean hell my reads could be shit
but there is no room for fear
all will be well
so snap your fingers
but you will not intimidate me

[Andrius]

ok if you think the claim is bullshit then lynch me its not that fucking hard we dont need teaparties to decide this shit

[Andrius]

See, that's why I don't know if I can trust the claim.

While it's possible you were the doc being all "OH NOES DAT COP", there's also the off chance you and/or your scum team decided to have you claim Doctor (or maybe there is a scum doctor) because it would make sense with what you're being strung up for...

Dammit all.

Um, the mod has TOLD US that there is AT LEAST ONE PROTECTIVE ROLE. That means if somone claims doc and they're not counterclaimed, they're 100% confirmed town.

Really creeps me out the way people put him at lynch -1 for basically no reason adn then left him there even after the claim.

So, first you guys wagon Andreus to a claim for no reason, now you're all voting me?

I mean, we know Fate and Serephem are idiots, but there's no excuse for your vote, SpyreX

, unless you're claiming scum here.

Size changes are mine. --;
Like, was there even REASONING for the wagon on me?
I think that'd be an awesome place to look for scum.
I mean: LLD, Fate, GI, Darox, SpyreX, [???]
Yep.
I'd bet one, no, two scum in there.

Also I love how Yos still can't spell my name right after all this time. You CAN call me Andy, Yos.

People who look scummier because of the wagon on now-confirmed-town-Andreus: Darox (that lynch -1 vote, and then leaving your vote there after he claimed doc, was just terrible), GreyICE (the way he dropped the lynch -2 vote because I"M BUSSING LOL with zero reason is scummy).

This.

YOSARIAN. WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO SPELL MY NAME INCORRECTLY?! IT IS SERAPHIM.

lol

Also there are plenty of fucking reasons to be voting him, Yos. He'd done jack shit except lurk and make vague threats (don't call for Zang's lynch, because that's what scum would do, lol).

What do you think of Darox? Or are you simply ignoring my case on him?

(confirmed town Andrius, lol)

Ermmm, how am I confirmed?

Let's compare the Yos wagon and the Andy wagon.
Yep.
Almost all the same people.
*sigh*

CES, why'd you vote Andrius?

Everyone who isn't GI why'd you vote Andrius?

Bad L-1 Yosvote. We really don't need any more claims right now unless we're sure we want to lynch.

This.

I don't like her Andrius vote -> notsureIbelieveclaimI'mmawaitandseeifsomeonehammers AT ALL.
And the rest of her time is all LOL ANDY / MARBLE NK SPECULATED.
And she has scum :bitesizeposting:

Ok yeah I agree.
LLD/Darox is enough to get two scumlynches out of yesss

Darox is NOT a VI.

(For reals this time I mean for REALS.)

Because last time wasn't for reals?
Then what was it for?
Fun?
To push a claim?
To see what I'd do?
GET TO L-1
LET SEE WHAT GOOD TOWN_ANDY WILL DO
OH I DONT KNOW
CLAIM, MAYBE?

[Andrius]

I've never actually been in a game with Yos_town.

That's besides the point.

I'd be down for a LLD wagon since Darox isn't going anywhere near the gallows.

Unvote, Vote: LLD

[Andrius]

Look at those scum wagon me. ^-^

Then lynch me.
OH WAIT

[Andrius]

ok im sick of fate/lld/whothefuckeverelse is all "i still think andy is scum but we'll keep him around" bullshit.
if you think im scum vote me and get me dead and gone i don't want to be here if you're all going to be twits and i sure as hell won't want to be around in lylo with the same group of twits being led or leading people on the "well andy_doc would be dead by now so he's scum" bullshit wifom that we dont need i swear we aren't even scumhunting anymore its just

FATE: HI IM HERE WAGON RANDOM PEOPLE
CES: YARR!
GI: KAY FATE WHATEVER MY DICK IS BIGGER THAN YOURS
LLD: YAYYY WAGON ON ANDY
Andy: The fuck? I'm Doc.
LLD: yes but no but yes but no i want you dead
FATE: WELL HES PROBABLY SCUM BUT THEY WONT WANT TO LYNCH HIM SO
YOS: (shrug)
SERA: K ANDY'S SCUM NOW DESPITE PLAY LYNCHLYNCH
SPYREX: K IMMA SHEEP FATE NOW K IMMA GO NOT PLAY THE GAME NOW
ZANG: Hey guys I think tha-
FATE: NO ONE CARES YOU FUCK

*sigh*
I'm going to go away and not read this for awhile
makes me mad
and im no red lantern

[Andrius]

Look at those scum wagon me. ^-^

Then lynch me.
OH WAIT

LOOK AT THIS CHEEKY MOTHERFUCKER.

Then vote me you pansy.
If you think I'm scum then vote me and stop dicking around with fate and gi

[Andrius]

Zang: nope. i have reasons.
reason being she voted me for having no reason so im voting her with the reason being her voting without reasons is that reason enough?
and llama's part on her was awesome.

[Andrius]

lets just get yos to always claim tracks before prs
that way if he's faking we'll know
that should appease people
aslo i wont flip scum doc twitld

[Andrius]

we have a CC up ins?

Vote: yosarian2

this should be easy.
we lynch one
if he doesn't flip scum
lld shoots that mofo tonight

if he does flip scum then i should coordinate with lld as to make sure we dont target the same ppl

[Andrius]

yeah but even if he is (and there's no reason to risk a CC here) then we've got CONTINGENCY PLAN
so
we're in good shape

[Andrius]

hmm wut
some manner of power
is lld and lurc
alright i can do that

im also going to accelerate the use of my cards, since its unlikely ill be around as long as my initial estimates

SCUM CCing SCUM
ODDS ARE [?]
just a thought :/

predit: <3 zor

[Andrius]

BAH. HEY GUYS I THINK I FLIPPED TOWN DOCTOR

[Andrius]

Laughing at Andrius in the dead QT though.

-_-

for what it's worth, and I know I'll take some flak for this, but I've nommed GreyICE for cunning manipulator.

If by "flak" you mean 'I think the town was more filled of fail than the scum being exceptional', then yes.

I don't really have any other words.

[Andrius]

I think its funny [?] that Yos still misspells both my and Seraphim's names.