Lemming Mafia - Mini 1196

[PeregrineV]

/confirm

Will we know the mission descriptions or only the name of the mission as listed?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: TOGTFO

for holding up progress

[PeregrineV]

Per-ry and forest-ry are totally jealous

I am. I'm last or close to it, and I know which one I want but won't get.

[PeregrineV]

Unvote.
Chuji Kunisada

@Poker- sounds great if it works that way. Don't know that the about-to-be lynched would cooperate to get rid of scum roles, and almost any town role can be twisted by scum, but I'm willing to give it a shot.

[PeregrineV]

Unvote.
Chuji Kunisada

@Poker- sounds great if it works that way. Don't know that the about-to-be lynched would cooperate to get rid of scum roles, and almost any town role can be twisted by scum, but I'm willing to give it a shot.

EBWOP:
VOTE: Chuji Kunisada

[PeregrineV]

@Chuji- Sorry, forgot the reason, but it was holding up progress, but your not anymore.

Unvote.

Yes, since I pick near the bottom, unless a sparklingly good case comes up, I'll vote the people in front of me until they pick.

Vote: mikemike778

Holding up progress.

[PeregrineV]

Unvote.
Vote: Forest_air

FoS: Mikemike

Never made a Random vote to start the day. Why is that?

I will agree that Peregrine's play is anti-town at least. Start participating and contributing.

Since I've never played with a "role selection" mechanic, you'll understand if I insist you go into deep detail about how my play is anti-town.

@Mod- I think you mean July 14 instead of June 14?

[PeregrineV]

Unvote.
Vote: Forest_air

FoS: Mikemike

Never made a Random vote to start the day. Why is that?

I will agree that Peregrine's play is anti-town at least. Start participating and contributing.

Since I've never played with a "role selection" mechanic, you'll understand if I insist you go into deep detail about how my play is anti-town.

@Mod- I think you mean July 14 instead of June 14?

????

My first post was my confirm post. You didn't random vote on your confirm post either are you going to FOS yourself as well ? Next time I logged on, I made a proper vote. Proper vote > Random vote.

Your play is anti-town because the vote is useless, it tell us sod all about anything.

Forest hasn't logged in since friday so its not helping to pressure her to pick. If anyone holds the game up by logging in and not picking then we wagon them.

The role selection thing can go on for a decent % of the game - every day. If everyone does what you do and just votes for whoever is next to pick then we are kippered.

1) It is actually my reason for voting, and I'm not insisting or even suggesting that others vote for this reason. Definitely not wagon them to death.
2) I never said I would do this every day, nor even the rest of the day. I will do it, or not, until I find a better reason to vote someone else.

What do you think of the current cases? Are they any good? Does it feel like people have hit the mafia mother lode?

[PeregrineV]

Farside,
I think I only have 2 votes on me, and I think CMAR is voting mikemike, and Me=Weird is voting Forest.

Fact: Lemmings do no die from jumping off the cliff. They die from drowning at sea.

Mission Cards:

Fedora
Payoff
Lemming Pledge
Concrete Mixer
Cliff Diving
Jack hammer
Cement
Shooter

Order of picking:

forest_air (can pick at any time)
sAbLLimINal (picking)
animorpherv1
CryMeARiver
Jedo the Jedi
Twistedspoon
PeregrineV
me=weird
TOGTFO (picked Creatures)
Chuji Kunisada (picked Bookie)
mikemike778 (picked Limo)
Tazaro (Pier)

Vote Count:

forest_air (4) CryMeARiver, Twistedspoon, Jedo the Jedi, PeregrineV
Tazaro (4) me=weird, forest_air, sAbLLimINal, animorpherv1
Me=Weird (1) TOGTFO
Peregrine (3) Chuji Kunisada, mikemike778
animorpherv1 (1): Tazaro

Not voting:

No one.

With 12 players it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is July 14th, 1:15pm PST

sAbLLimINal

has 48 hours to pick a mission.

Forest_air

can pick a mission at anytime.

Fixed!!!

[PeregrineV]

Unvote.
Vote:sAbLLimINal

3. Forest - there is no case at this point

Then why are twistedspoon and Jedo voting him? You know why I did.

[PeregrineV]

@CMAR- If you mean me, not sure what response you want. I like activity, I like reads. Do I agree with yours? Probably not.
For example- Why is Jedo very protown?
Post 80- mod question and ""I really see Peregrine's stuff as impatience as well,"
Post 95-Votes forest for no reason given.
(Perhaps it was the same reason I did, becuase they were up next to vote.)
Post 120- "My thought is really that Peregrine and Taz could both be prime scumspects","I will agree that Peregrine's play is anti-town at least"
Post 145- Chews me out more.
"Peregrine, your play has been anti-town to this point for the same reasons it would be anti-town in any other game: you aren't really discussing the game with us, and you are refusing to give legitimate votes (the kind with reasons why you suspect so-and-so) which deprives town of the information of interactions between players. That has nothing to do with this particular game or some special "role-selection" mechanic.

I don't like you coming back in here and asking those questions of mike when you are the one accused of not participating. I think it would be better if you answered those questions yourself."

So why the Forest vote?

Why were my reads a "sign of impatience", then "scumpect", then "anti-town", then "you aren't really discussing the game with us", then "

I don't like you coming back in here and asking those questions

of mike when

you are the one accused of not participating

."
(So I'm accused of not participating, but I shouldn't be asking questions? Very protown? C'mon now....)

Why the Forest vote?

See what I mean?

@Sab- Just saying "hi"

Unvote.
Vote:animorpherv1

Holding up progress. Scummy posting.

[PeregrineV]

Unvote.
Vote:sAbLLimINal

3. Forest - there is no case at this point

Then why are twistedspoon and Jedo voting him? You know why I did.

Are you suggesting there is a case here ? Other than a player who has been inactive for a few days not picking their card ? Because I can't see one. Or are you calling that a case ?

No, I'm asking the general question about the fact that

1. You mentioned there was no case given for votes on Forest
2. There were 3 people voting forest when you posted. One was Twistedspoon (replacing out), another was Jedo (not reason given), and last was me (role picking reason). (Since then, Weird=Me voted Forest, but gave a reason).

So, I'm asking you why do you think those other two players voted Forest? I didn't see a case, you didn't see a case. Is that normal? Typical? Do you think it's a reason to look into the voting players? Or not?

[PeregrineV]

...SNIPPED...OMGUS

unvote, vote PeregrineV

Fixed that for you.

And you still haven't answered those questions yourself. I'll re-post them here for your convenience.

OK, please do.

@CMAR- Still like to hear your reasons for protown read based on his 4 game posts at the time.

@Me=Weird-My asking mike about a statement he made in response to a question I asked him "rubs you the wrong way"? Like back to front or something? Which of the 13 words rubbed the hardest?
You know what, maybe your just posting stream of consciousness right now. I went into further detail in 177 and 179. Let's see how those rub you.

[PeregrineV]

And you still haven't answered those questions yourself. I'll re-post them here for your convenience.

OK, please do.

Oh my God. Talk about belligerent. I'll add evasion to my list of why I think you are scum.

What do you think of the current cases? Are they any good? Does it feel like people have hit the mafia mother lode?

I was belligerent by saying please?

To quote Jedo:

Really, dude? You can't read better than that?

To quote me:

Yes, since I pick near the bottom, unless a sparklingly good case comes up, I'll vote the people in front of me until they pick.

PeregrineV vote order=Pick order

I find the current cases bad enough to stay on my current schedule. No, they are not good cases. That was sarcasm as I do not feel the cases are good. However, this site does not have a sarcasm smiley.
If your going to Random vote for Random vote reasons, fine. Even weak ones, fine. But don't vote saying your case is good, and then try and back it up. That's not only scummy, but very anti-town.

[PeregrineV]

EBWOP:
To quote me:

Yes, since I pick near the bottom, unless a sparklingly good case comes up, I'll vote the people in front of me until they pick.

@Mod- can you fix quote tag please?

[PeregrineV]

@Chuji-I can rock it out for you here.
Complete ani posts.
Scummy posting.

"vote:Chuji Because hydra, etc."
"If we do this, then we need a definition of crappy role. Because I know I hate Vanilla Townie more than miller."
"Scumtastic right there. unvote, vote PeregrineV"
"No, it implies that he would hammer someone because they haven't picked yet."
"To me, it reads as a bad thing, so I'm just going to keep my vote here."
"Yup."
"Oh god, you linked to four ongoing games. Thanks for making me want to policy lynch you, really."
"No defense for this? None? All right..."
"Not even an "I swear I won't do it again!", Tazaro? Alright then. unvote, vote Tazaro. For the above + defense of Peregrine."
"I asked you if you wanted to make any sort of defense at all. You made none."
"So, let's see: 1. You linked to FOUR ongoing games. 2. You refuse to defend yourself. 3. You defend Peregrine."
"To me, it's seemed like "OMG I've gotta find a way to defend Peregrine, I'll just call ani scummy, place a vote on him and call it a day"."
"@Tazaro: I got back from a break on February and played in like 3 games total since, 1 was a replace in. Don't you even try to stick meta on me."

[PeregrineV]

I was belligerent by saying please?

No. It was by not just answering the questions to which you knew I was referring.

Just to clear it up here, if I knew what questions you were referring to, I would have answered them. Since I did not, and you offered to repeat them, I asked you to. Sorry if you feel like I was purposefully obtuse.

That second part is poor. Trying to reverse that statement on me is ineffective because, of anybody, I know what you are doing and believe it to be neutral as far as scumminess (though not helpful to the town when we want to analyze vote patterns later). You could have answered that first question more descriptively than by giving a black-and-white answer.

What are the merits of the cases?

Surely they aren't just 100% fallacious/subjective/wrong.

You don't think so? If I said every game I played in scum had 3 syllables in their name and voted someone for that reason, that would be a good argument? What if I posted links to 5 games in which it was true, would that be a good argument?
I will read opinion cases and even consider what is said, but don't expect me to take them seriously.

[PeregrineV]

@Me=Weird-My asking mike about a statement he made in response to a question I asked him "rubs you the wrong way"? Like back to front or something?
Which of the 13 words rubbed the hardest?
You know what, maybe your just posting stream of consciousness right now. I went into further detail in 177 and 179. Let's see how those rub you.

Sarcasm: Now a scum-tell. You are vastly overreacting and being more sarcastic than I really see town doing.

This is not over reaction. This is sarcasm, and very light sarcasm at that. Did you bother reading my posts afterwards on the same topic?
And do you know the purpose of the sarcasm in the post above?

As for what you said in 179,

So, I'm asking you why do you think those other two players voted Forest? I didn't see a case, you didn't see a case. Is that normal? Typical? Do you think it's a reason to look into the voting players? Or not?

This doesn't make much sense, and I almost get the feeling you made it up on the spot. Because it sure looked like you were saying there was a case when you wrote "so why are so-and-so voting him?". That makes it sound like you were challenging him. If you were doing what you said you, it would have been better to say "why do you think so-and-so are voting him?".

They are questions you should ask yourself.

And I get the impression you do not want me to talk to other players like they are intelligent, but should use kid gloves and leading questions. Would that be better?

[PeregrineV]

If your going to Random vote for Random vote reasons, fine. Even weak ones, fine. But don't vote saying your case is good, and then try and back it up. That's not only scummy, but very anti-town.

And I had town points on you ... don't like this post though at all. Discouraging players to make and argue for their cases is not a good thing at all. If you want to play the sit-on-the-fence game then you play it but don't try and get everyone else to join in.

FOS - PeregrineV

No, they are more than welcome to, but don't put lipstick on a pig and try to sell me a princess. It's still a pig.

[PeregrineV]

Well, that was fast. Peregrine and Tazaro are working together to build an absolute bullshit case.

My case was scummy posting. Are you saying it's not scummy posting?

Not sure on Taz's case...

Unovte.
Vote:CMAR

Holding up progress. And Ani came back to play.

[PeregrineV]

Unvote.

Woohoo!! I got!!

I pick

Lemming Pledge

!!

Back for more fun after I do crappy work stuff.

[PeregrineV]

@Taz- I didn't think about that. There is no way I'm going to figure out a mission role from a name. Maybe after the first rounds go through and we hear some examples, then maybe.
But, I like puns.
C'mon...Lemming Pledge!!!

[PeregrineV]

@Me=Weird-My asking mike about a statement he made in response to a question I asked him "rubs you the wrong way"? Like back to front or something?
Which of the 13 words rubbed the hardest?
You know what, maybe your just posting stream of consciousness right now. I went into further detail in 177 and 179. Let's see how those rub you.

Sarcasm: Now a scum-tell. You are vastly overreacting and being more sarcastic than I really see town doing.

This is not over reaction. This is sarcasm, and very light sarcasm at that. Did you bother reading my posts afterwards on the same topic?
And do you know the purpose of the sarcasm in the post above?

Excuse me? "You know what, maybe your just posting stream of consciousness right now." This looks like a somewhat overreaction, bordering on personal attack. That is so not "Light" sarcasm.

As for what you said in 179,

So, I'm asking you why do you think those other two players voted Forest? I didn't see a case, you didn't see a case. Is that normal? Typical? Do you think it's a reason to look into the voting players? Or not?

This doesn't make much sense, and I almost get the feeling you made it up on the spot. Because it sure looked like you were saying there was a case when you wrote "so why are so-and-so voting him?". That makes it sound like you were challenging him. If you were doing what you said you, it would have been better to say "why do you think so-and-so are voting him?".

They are questions you should ask yourself.

And I get the impression you do not want me to talk to other players like they are intelligent, but should use kid gloves and leading questions. Would that be better?

What are questions you think I should ask myself? And no, I do not "want you to talk to other players like they are intelligent, but should use kid gloves and leading questions.", I was just saying you used very ambiguous wording. You have a scumtastic attitude right now.

"My case was scummy posting. Are you saying it's not scummy posting?"
You could try going into specifics you know, except it's you.

This post rubs me the wrong way.

In addition, you have avoided the questions once again.

1. Did you read my posts (177 & 179) afterwards on the same topic?
2. Why do you think those other two players voted Forest?
3. Do you consider it normal for multiple players to vote without giving cases?
4. Is it typical, regardless of whether you consider it "normal", for multiple players to vote without giving cases?
5. Do you think it's a reason to look into the voting players?
6. If you do not think it is a reason to look into the voting players, why not?
7. Which words are ambiguous? I will clarify or find new words to fix that.

And you keep calling me scum for any conversation I try to have.

8. Why is that?

Unvote.
Vote: Me=Weird

Failing to answer questions. Overreaction to my questions. Overreaction to TGTFO's question. Upcoming OMGUS vote.

[PeregrineV]

I second Taz's request to Mal for activity. It's only a 10 page game...

[PeregrineV]

@Quilford- How about you locate and post the three scummiest posts in the game so far, in your opinion? Also the the three towniest posts.

@Mike- Debating the ani vote in my head. But I'm starting to think that's how he plays no matter what. Which sucks if he is town, because then he's just an unhelpful lynch magnet.

[PeregrineV]

At any rate there is something I would like to do now -

I'M CALLING BULLSHIT!

See if you follow this train of thought:

*PeregrineV is deeply intent on voting all those that pick before him. There are many examples of this being true

1) It is actually my reason for voting, and I'm not insisting or even suggesting that others vote for this reason. Definitely not wagon them to death.
2) I never said I would do this every day, nor even the rest of the day. I will do it, or not, until I find a better reason to vote someone else.

*PeregrineV votes animorph

and says ani is doing scummy posting

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p3165465
hmm... scummy posting. Looks like PeregrineV may have found a better reason to vote someone

*OR NOT since he says all the cases right are not good

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p3166129

I find the current cases bad enough to stay on my current schedule. No, they are not good cases. That was sarcasm as I do not feel the cases are good. However, this site does not have a sarcasm smiley.
If your going to Random vote for Random vote reasons, fine. Even weak ones, fine. But don't vote saying your case is good, and then try and back it up. That's not only scummy, but very anti-town.

*I asked PeregrineV about why he thinks animorph is making scummy posting. I basically want to see if he actually believed ani was making scummy posting or if he was just copying everyone elses opinions of ani at that time

@PeregrineV, When you recently voted ani you said he was holding up progress and

scummy posting

. Why do you thinks ani's posting is scummy?

animorph's recent actions seem wierd to me. To me he seems to be walking a fine line and almost contradicting himself. To batt as mentioned in 161, he thinks ani is not contradicting. I, pf, will have to think more on this aspect

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p3168729
that's the response I get. he ISO's animorph but doesn't say why its scummy.

I think it would be obvious. But maybe not. So, do you think it's scummy?

he wants me to figure out myself why ani is scummy.

So you admit he is scummy.

PeregrineV clearly doesn't want to make an opinion he wants me to do the work for him.

Actually my opinion would be the word scummy. And the work would be for town, if you are town. It's not for me personally, because it's obvious you don't find Ani scummy.

he wants me to figure out myself why ani is scummy.

Oh wait, yes you do.

Having others do work for you is scummy. Also not giving your opinion clearly shows you made that scummy posting comment as a clear jab at animorph and not because you actually though ani was posting scummy. Either you jabbed at animorph because everyone else was going after animorph and you wanted to be cool OR you did it because you and animorph are scum partners and you distance poorly

Or, he was on the list, but posting scummy also. So I said that.

*PeregrineV unvoted animorph and animorph has done anything to look towny since PeregrineV original vote on animorph.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p3170340
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p3170310
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3170318
All animorph has done is lurk and NOT come back to play as PeregrineV put it. Picking and giving no reads does not count as playing and doesn't count as stoping scummy posting or posting townish. This proves that your opinion of Animorph making scummy posting is bull shit. You unvoted him in favor of going back to the vote "who is in front of you method." You never had a real feeling or wanted to call ani scummy. You just made a straight up jab at him with no real in game backing for your jab.

Not sure what a jab is in a mafia game. Is that like a vote? Because yes, I voted him.

If there is no in game backing then there must be knowledge PeregrineV has that I don't about Animorph needing to be called scummy. Thus I think PeregrineV knows animoprhs alignment. The 2 of them can't be masons since no one would ever call their mason friend scummy. So if they aren't masons, only other way PeregrineV could know what alignment animorph has is if PeregrineV is scum. Either PeregrineV jabbed at animorph because everyone else was going after animorph and PeregrineV wanted to be cool and look town OR PeregrineV did it because him and animorph are scum partners and PeregrineV wanted to distance from animorph

I think including only two options is one of those misrepresentation of reality things. The reality could also be that Ani is your scum partner, and if he gets busted you would try to point to this post so that you "knew it all along". But, you failed to mention that as an option.
And the reason I voted him was given a few times.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p3168729

*Further proof that i am on the right path now is that everyone has picked their missions and PeregrineV has NOT gone back to voting animorph.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p3172771
PeregrineV has forgotten completly about the entire thing when animorph certainly didn't give PeregrineV a reason to forget it.

So he may have gone inactive or replace out, and you think I should vote him anyway?

Other players have quieted on animorph so maybe that is PeregrineV's reason.

So are they scum for "quieting" down?

Which would mean he is definatly following group opinions and is clearly trying to blend in with everyone else. Yay I believe this entire train of thought and PeregrineV's earlier bad voting cover methods have exposed us one scum.

I'M CALLING BULLSHIT!

about PeregrineV's read on animorph.

Group opinion? I almost feel like we are in two different threads. Last VC from mod:
malpascp (2) Quilford
Tazaro (3) malpascp, sAbLLimINal, animorpherv1
Me=Weird (2) TOGTFO, PeregrineV
Peregrine (2) Chuji Kunisada, me=weird
animorpherv1 (1): mikemike778
mikemike (1) CryMeARiver
SABllim (1) Tazaro

Please point out group opinion.

Confirm Vote: PeregrineV

Just so you know at the moment the avg ammount of scum for a 12 player game is 3. me and Batt think PeregrineV and mikemike are two of the scum.

I think mikemike since i can see reason he could be partners with PeregrineV, though if pere is town that suspicon falls flat so I won't be lynching mikemike first. I also liked some of the case being put on mikemike earlier. I kinda wonder why the case on him has quieted down. The quieting down makes me think mine/batt's case on PeregrineV is much stronger. So yay not pursueing mikemike at the moment. Batt has reasons for thinking mikemike is scummy and I will let him give them should he want to

Me and batt disagree on a 3rd scum
I think ani, see what I said earlier pending how ani answers my questions
Batt thinks Taz, see what batt said earlier since i think he fosed tazzaro earlier

I got no other imediate scum reads to talk about at this time.

So, I see where you would call bullshit and ask for more information. But you didn't. You've tried to develop a full-blown "Pere is scum" case.

@Everyone- still learning the terminology. What is the "chainsaw defense?"

[PeregrineV]

Unvote.
Vote: Me=Weird

Failing to answer questions. Overreaction to my questions. Overreaction to TGTFO's question.

Upcoming OMGUS vote.

Having said that Me=W looking super defensive at the moment. ISO on him doesn't look great at all - why do you have a vote on an inactive slot by the way ? - what did they do to offend you ?

Why am I being "super" defensive? And I have explained my forest vote, though now it's time to move on.

Unvote, Vote: PeregrineV

Stuff I've brought up earlier, such as overreacting, dumb questions, didn't answer one of my questions, attacked me for avoiding questions, when the questions in question(heh) were one's I'd asked if he was wanting me to answer, and he heavily implied that I'd repeatedly ignored lots of questions. Plus being either wrong or lying about me overreacting to them.
And now, most recently ignoring my entire post.

I didn't ignore it, I just figured you felt you answered to the best of your ability. Do you want me to keep up the fight telling you your answers where horrible?
Do you want me to pioint out that you did ignore the questions, because you are quoting me quoting you quoting me.
If the game were merely to argue I would, but since were supposed to catch scum, and nobody else had opinions they expressed about your answers, I let it go.
Let me know if I should go back and address the answers for you.

[PeregrineV]

@Everyone- still learning the terminology. What is the "chainsaw defense?"

Who mentioned chainsaw defense?

I did. I'm asking what it is. Someone answered it for me. It's the defense of attacking someone else's attacker.

I think it would be obvious. But maybe not. So, do you think it's scummy?

This is evasion. It is clearly not obvious because he's bringing it up again, and you still won't post why you think ani is scummy. I read ani in ISO and did not think him scummy at all. Clearly neither did PF since he just said what he thinks of ani. (That would be in the section of his post you didn't copy because it would have countered that whole bit where you try to demonstrate rhetorically that PF does indeed think ani scum.)

It is not evasion. It is a question. Apparently you do not think Ani's posting is scummy. But mine is?
This leads me to believe your definition of scummy is distinctly different from mine.

Or, he was on the list, but posting scummy also. So I said that.

Why would you go to all that trouble to produce an ISO post "clearly demonstrating" the person's scumminess if you didn't actually think him to be scummy enough to abandon your voting regimen?

[/quote]
CK asked what I meant by scummy posting. To me, reading the ISO makes it apparent that Ani doesn't really put a whole lot of effort into the game, causing me to suspect his motives and alignment.

[PeregrineV]

Sorry for my absence guys. I missed you.

First of all:

Unvote

Second: This game just blows, it is driving me nuts!

Tazaro looks town to me. He contributes to the game and gives ideas and scenarios, while most of us are just not posting content or not posting at all. I lean to agree with what he says on #310. We still have plenty of time too see more of him, but for now I think PeregrineV is our best lynch for today, based on his "windy" votes and on the general activity of the game, that might allow scum to "pass by".
On this moment, the deadline may become an issue, with half of the players being prodded, we might not have enough players to make a lynch. That makes me think that the best move is to put PeregrineV at L-2 (by my calculations).

Vote: PeregrineV

Really glad you could join us. And thanks for replacing in!

With that being said, while I'm happy to see you sheeping Tazaro instead of arbitrarily voting him, you can understand if I would like to hear

a little

a lot more about
a) Tazaro and why he is town
b) Why it's good to put me at L-2
c) other players, and your opinions of them so far

[PeregrineV]

Alright, some serious posting is going to get done today. And yes, explanation for my mikemike vote and why Jedo is town and all of the above is on the way today.

@CMAR- How about today?

We either had scum voting for Peregrine in a row, or a case that's just that good. And interesting, though, Chuji, I also saw how Peregrine did not just say holding up progress about ani but also said scummy posting; my thought was that it was kind of anticlimatic when he then took it off to continue his holding up progress votes. I believe Peregrine when he says that he did not consider the fact that Lemming Pledge, his pick, sounds like a mission where you he just stays in his lemming home and wipes the pledge on wood, but this seems conceivable to be a vanilla role, to me, which means he's either a vanilla scum or town in my estimation, and even though scum wouldn't be expected to pick a non-power role, I guess he did not see how apparently blatantly vanilla this mission looks if you just think about it and about what farside said about vanillas staying home, said this in the Mini Theme queue, I believe.
He'd be the best lynch given that so many people voting for him in succession can either result in lynching Peregrine or having a list of people on his wagon that have exposed themselves. This

UNVOTE

VOTE: PeregrineV

@Taz- This is your second mention of Lemming Pledge being a vanilla role. And it sounds like you are making it a part of the reason you are voting me. Is that really the case?
And of course it's a play on words. But instead of the furniture polish, it could be a pledge to stop the Lemming mafia at all costs. And to that end I could be Vig or cop (cops pledge to serve and protect their communities).
Anyways, my main point being the question about the role in your reason above, and that while we can speculate all day about what role names mean, it won't be until tomorrow what we can do any sort of correlation.

[PeregrineV]

Replacing sAbLLimINal is jilynne1991.

Still looking for a replacement for Morph

Prodding the following players:

CryMeARiver
Jedo the Jedi
Quilford
malpascp

Please sharpen the prod and light it on fire, then jab harder.

Where is everyone?


@Jil- How are pages 7-14 coming along?

@ShadowDancer- Welcome. Any thoughts on current game state, besides stagnant?

[PeregrineV]

PF here. likly going to make a double post to more easily show points I am making

I think it would be obvious. But maybe not. So, do you think it's scummy?

Your reasoning is not obvious since you went from voting ani saying he had scummy posting, to saying the cases out there are not good, and then you went right back to ani is scummy by giving me that ISO. You went back and forth with your thoughts there so you didn't even seem to truly mean all that since you voted someone else entirly later on. Basically you didn't really scum hunt or stick to any guns with reasoning on why you thought animorph was scummy

I said I was voting Ani for holding up progress and scummy posting. What I was meant was "My vote is because he is next to pick a role, but please note additionally that I do not like his posting content, as it does not strike me as very pro-town."
You interpreted it differently than I meant it.

he wants me to figure out myself why ani is scummy.

So you admit he is scummy.

PeregrineV clearly doesn't want to make an opinion he wants me to do the work for him.

Actually my opinion would be the word scummy. And the work would be for town, if you are town. It's not for me personally, because it's obvious you don't find Ani scummy.

he wants me to figure out myself why ani is scummy.

Oh wait, yes you do.

Having others do work for you is scummy. Also not giving your opinion clearly shows you made that scummy posting comment as a clear jab at animorph and not because you actually though ani was posting scummy. Either you jabbed at animorph because everyone else was going after animorph and you wanted to be cool OR you did it because you and animorph are scum partners and you distance poorly

Or, he was on the list, but posting scummy also. So I said that.

Nice strawman but you miss the point. I think he may be scum for meta reasons. You think he is scum for .... doesn't looklike you truly gave a reason or stuck to it.

Just a friendly reminder. If you like a car because of the color, and I like a car because it has four doors, your reason for liking the car does not invalidate my reason for liking the car.
If I think Ani is scummy because his posts contain no effort or discernible content even after the stage where it should, and you think he's scummy for your meta reasons, that does not invalidate my reasons.

Not sure what a jab is in a mafia game. Is that like a vote? Because yes, I voted him.

By jab I mean pot shot or basically you felt the need to attack and call animorph out on scummy posting without really following it up. You seemed to just throw that comment out there without realing pushing a case on animorph. Your later comments that you felt the cases out there weren't good and your ISO without reasoning, shows you didn't really follow it and had back and forth feelings about it. Which is why I thought you were bullshiting or trying to push a case half assedly.

Well, I did point out his scummy posting. Like if someone comes in the office and their hair is messed up, you don't fire them. You point out their hair is messed up.
I pointed out his posting was, IMO, scummy. It was not scummy enough for me to leave my vote there.

If there is no in game backing then there must be knowledge PeregrineV has that I don't about Animorph needing to be called scummy. Thus I think PeregrineV knows animoprhs alignment. The 2 of them can't be masons since no one would ever call their mason friend scummy. So if they aren't masons, only other way PeregrineV could know what alignment animorph has is if PeregrineV is scum. Either PeregrineV jabbed at animorph because everyone else was going after animorph and PeregrineV wanted to be cool and look town OR PeregrineV did it because him and animorph are scum partners and PeregrineV wanted to distance from animorph

I think including only two options is one of those misrepresentation of reality things. The reality could also be that Ani is your scum partner, and if he gets busted you would try to point to this post so that you "knew it all along". But, you failed to mention that as an option.
And the reason I voted him was given a few times.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p3168729

Misrepresentation? I gave my thoughts of

you

. If you have a better explanation of what

you

were doing or why you thought animoprh was scum, I want to know that because I don't see your reasoning. Your attack of me here comes off as very OMGUS

I was pointing out that you offered exactly two(2) explantions, when there could

obviously

be more than 2 explanations. I also am mentioning the fact that you know there can be more than two explanations. Presenting two explanations of why I did something, both of which are designed for the reader to conclude I am scum is, IMO, a misrepresentation of my actions.

So he may have gone inactive or replace out, and you think I should vote him anyway

I want you to show you meant what you said. That you truly thought he was scummy posting since you didn't convince me that you ever did think he was scummy.

I don't think enough of the case to further develop it, the guy's MIA, and you want me to develop the case to show I meant it?
Sorry, but no.

CK asked what I meant by scummy posting. To me, reading the ISO makes it apparent that Ani doesn't really put a whole lot of effort into the game, causing me to suspect his motives and alignment.

This is what I want. Can you elaborate here or is that all of it? It doesn't sound like you think there is alot of weight to it. Why or why not is that?

Because it's day1, and the game is still on, and maybe Ani comes in and posts something relevant or thought-provoking enough that I get some sort of town vibe from him. If he doesn't, and continues posting in the same manner, my read of him will probably continue to be negative, and then almost anything from him would become suspect.
That's about as far an elaboration I can make without a complete breakdown and analysis of his 200 words in game so far.

[PeregrineV]

Vote Count:

malpascp (1) Quilford
Tazaro (1) sAbLLimINal
Me=Weird (1) PeregrineV

Peregrine (5) Chuji Kunisada, me=weird, Jedo the Jedi, Tazaro, malpascp

animorpherv1 (1): mikemike778
mikemike (1) CryMeARiver

All but the italicized only have one person voting for them. Does this mean that Peregrine is the only viable lynch and people should give up their one-man crusades?

Actually, it means that they don't want their number of voters to go up any.

But some of this changed with the two replacements.

[PeregrineV]

Goddamn it. Tazaro, what the hell are you doing?

I voted you to see if anyone might seize upon it and try to push a counter-wagon to PeregrineV. I was hoping to out a scum-partner. Instead you change your vote for... some stupid crappy meta-reason.

peregrineV is scummiest by far. His early game vote strategy, his weird baseless attack on mikemike778, his inconsistent reads and questioning tactics. It all screams scum. Why the hell did you move off his wagon for a weird baseless WIFOM meta "case"? Why are you assuming that peregrineV is town and scum are trying to lynch him before he's actually been lynched?

Really? The early game vote strategy which I explained to the whole thread?

Not seeing any "weird baseless attack on Mike". Perhaps you mean posts 144, 179 and 219? If so, that is

obviously

a conversation. Why do you classify it as a "weird baseless attack"?

And perhaps Tazaro doesn't want to lynch town when he can lynch scum. Honestly, despite his multiple posts and convoluted thought processes, I think he's probably town.

[PeregrineV]

People not voting for PeregrineV need to remind me of their reasons.

Because it's so glaringly obvious he is town. He says he's going to do something, then does it. He asks questions of other players and engages in conversation. And that's a bad thing for mafia-aligned players.

And since I care if town wins long after I'm dead, and the people voting me don't really have anything better to do, everyone voting me needs to list my two scum buddies, and one alternate, for when I flip town. Otherwise, I will believe you are coasting scum happy with a day1 mislynch on me.

And, according to the logic of all of the cases on me, refusal to do so indicates scum attitude. And refusal to say why is also scummy.

So, load them reads up and get them out there!

My current voters:
Chuji Kunisada, me=weird, Jedo the Jedi, malpascp

Also, if each player currently voting could please state their case in bulleted points on their current lynch candiudate, using post links as backup, we can hash out some good info from day1.

[PeregrineV]

I'll start. Currently voting Me=Weird.

Reasons:
1. Failing to answer questions. (Post 218, 272)
2. Overreaction to my questions. (post 218, 272)
3. Overreaction to TGTFO's question. (Post 258)
4. Upcoming OMGUS vote (Post 296)

[PeregrineV]

Really? The early game vote strategy which I explained to the whole thread?

The fact that you explained it doesn't make it less scummy.

Voting for whoever needed to pick next is a strategy that's on par with random.org voting or voting for whomever is listed first in the playerlist. It's an indication that you are overly-concerned with who your vote is on and how it might be interpreted. You're voting like someone who has something to hide. And your hiding behind a regimented voting strategy that doesn't require you to betray your thoughts.

Amazing thought process.

I, OTOH, see it as a warning to all players that I will more than likely be placing a vote on you to help encourage your speedy role selection. And it also entails a re-read of your play to-date to see if there is anything I would find suspicious.
I don't care how it's interpreted, since I gave a reason every time. (Interesting side note, the one player to spark additional comment from his re-read, ani, elicited quite a reaction from CK.)
You mean hiding in plain sight? Like I think I'm a tree so hard that you walk right by me because you also think I'm a tree?
I gave thoughts with each vote, and had multiple conversations with almost every player. So, not sure what your sentence (..."doesn't require you to betray your thoughts.") means.

Not seeing any "weird baseless attack on Mike". Perhaps you mean posts 144, 179 and 219? If so, that is

obviously

a conversation. Why do you classify it as a "weird baseless attack"?

No, I'm referring to 142. You FOSed him for not making a random vote. It was a move that was both hypocritical and retaliatory (OMGUS).

Just so I understand you, this post,

FoS: Mikemike

Never made a Random vote to start the day. Why is that?

where I ask Mike a question, is, to your eyes, a "weird baseless attack on Mike" that "was both hypocritical and retaliatory"?
I disagree. It was an FoS and a question to get activity going.

And perhaps Tazaro doesn't want to lynch town when he can lynch scum. Honestly, despite his multiple posts and convoluted thought processes, I think he's probably town.

Nice. Considering your 336 post, I'm going to consider this a 180 on Tazaro. Coincidentaly (I'm sure) brought on by his decision to move his vote off you.

So, you consider my asking questions to Malp about Taz and why he has a town read on Taz to be an attack on Taz?

I'll bet it was a weird, baseless retalitory and hypocritical attack on Taz, too, right?
Is it also an attack on Malp?
Just curious at this point about how you think. It's either a player attribute, or some sort of scum thing.

[PeregrineV]

And since I care if town wins long after I'm dead, and the people voting me don't really have anything better to do, everyone voting me needs to list my two scum buddies, and one alternate, for when I flip town. Otherwise, I will believe you are coasting scum happy with a day1 mislynch on me.

This is just horrible. It's early in the game and we can be happy to track down

one

scum. Already starting to openly queue lynches just helps scum.
:sigh:
So, I say, please list your other reads besides me, and you read "openly queue lynches"?
Please logically link the two statements. Feel free act like I'm 6 years old.

And, according to the logic of all of the cases on me, refusal to do so indicates scum attitude. And refusal to say why is also scummy.

So, load them reads up and get them out there!

Is this pure and massive OMGUS or can you directly refute any specific of those cases?

If I recall, much of the "cases" on me sound like "he's got a scum attitude!" So, when they drive home their cases with concise bullet points, we'll find out what the specifics are. Then we'll see if I can refute them.

[PeregrineV]

EBWOP:

And since I care if town wins long after I'm dead, and the people voting me don't really have anything better to do, everyone voting me needs to list my two scum buddies, and one alternate, for when I flip town. Otherwise, I will believe you are coasting scum happy with a day1 mislynch on me.

This is just horrible. It's early in the game and we can be happy to track down

one

scum. Already starting to openly queue lynches just helps scum.

:sigh:
So, I say, please list your other reads besides me, and you read "openly queue lynches"?
Please logically link the two statements. Feel free act like I'm 6 years old.

And, according to the logic of all of the cases on me, refusal to do so indicates scum attitude. And refusal to say why is also scummy.

So, load them reads up and get them out there!

Is this pure and massive OMGUS or can you directly refute any specific of those cases?

If I recall, much of the "cases" on me sound like "he's got a scum attitude!" So, when they drive home their cases with concise bullet points, we'll find out what the specifics are. Then we'll see if I can refute them.

[PeregrineV]

I'm not going to bother continuing to respond to the triumvirate, since if nobody does anything else, I'm lynched by default.

How did this happen?

CK votes me here (post 71):

UNVOTE:
VOTE: PeregrineV
We should be scumhunting right now and not just waiting until everyone picks a role. 48hrs x 11 players (12th doesn't get to pick) means this stage can last to a maximum of 3 weeks. This won't happen, but waiting until everyone picks is a bad idea, and a way for scum to actively lurk (moreso following days).

Anipherv (replaced by Shadow Dancer) comes in with (Post 75)

Yes, since I pick near the bottom, unless a sparklingly good case comes up, I'll vote the people in front of me until they pick.

Scumtastic right there.

unvote, vote PeregrineV

then unvotes in Post 129.

Mike votes here (post 96):

VOTE: PeregrineV
No objections to people voting to push the picking process forward now but to say you are going to do it indefinitely is getting your excuses in for not making a proper vote later on.

Mike unvotes here (Post 196):

UNVOTE:

OK despite some dodgy posts, Peregine's still sticking to guns with the voting mission pickers after being hassled about it by pretty much everyone is actually a town-tell here. Taking this vote away for now.

Then it starts getting more interesting.

[PeregrineV]

So CMAR makes this post (163), and I ask him why he has a very pro-town read on Jedo, who had responded to me in questions I had asked to Mike.

Now CMAR (Oversoul) never responds, but Jedo does, and he's mad, and votes me at that time. He then unvotes after the discussion continues.

Now, during this, Me=Weird says (post 187):

Peregrine's 173 rubs me the wrong way. He defends the case by arguing that other people are voting too, instead of defending the case.

which was his response to me asking Mike why Jedo and TwistedSpoon (Kublai Khan) were voting Forest.

I responded with Post 188, he responds with post 214, I reply with Post 218, he replies with post 258, leading to my vote on him here in post 272.

He replies in Post 277, but then, in post 296, while responding to Mike's 282.

Then, CK comes in with a case that I am scum for not going back to vote Ani after all the missions were selected. While I really applaud the presentation, I can't follow the logic. But, good presentation for a day1 Seinfeld case. (Noting secondary scum reads are Mike & Shadow Dancer & Taz)

TOGTFO likes it, and votes me here Post 303.
AAMOF, Jedo like it too in Post 304.
I respond to CK here (post 305).

Jedo repsonds to my CK response here (post 308)

Then, Me=Weird quotes Mike again without attributing his quotes to him in Post 315, but continues to respond and quote me 4 more times in the same post. This kind of overreaction and continuing a non-productive conversation was one of the reasons I voted him in the first place.

I respond to Jedo here in post 323.

Malscp, who replaced Forest_Air, comes in with this vote (335)

More upcoming

@CK- splitting it up for ease of reading.

[PeregrineV]

So Khan comes in and gives 391, I respond with 400, and Jedo pops back in with 450 replying to my response to Khan.

My point is that it seems like some sort of coordinated effort to come in and pick up agruing with me from wherever the last guy left off. It's very annoying, and raises my suspicion of everyone doing it.

@TOGTFO- Yes. If nothing changes and nobody moves thier votes, I get hung with 4 votes. I'm town, and I liked the concept of this game, so a day1 lynch in this manner kind of pisses me off. However, I'm still town and still alive, so if I can do a bunch of consolidation of information that will help the rest of the game, then I'll do it.

For now,

Unvote:Me=Weird
Vote: malpascp

More reads upcoming. Until then, everyone remind Khan why you're not voting for malpascp.

[PeregrineV]

UNVOTE:

With no support for a Mal lynch. This vote is useless.

VOTE: PeregrineV

I have a town read on Taz so I'm not voting for him unlike Pere he has looked very pro-town in my eyes and of the two, Pere is a much better lynch. Think that puts Pere at L2.

Actually, Mal was 3 votes away from a lynch, the same as me, until you moved your vote.

Please point out which of the 6 posts made by Mal gives him a town read.

[PeregrineV]

My point is that it seems like some sort of coordinated effort to come in and pick up agruing with me from wherever the last guy left off. It's very annoying, and raises my suspicion of everyone doing it.

For my part, I just like to call out bullshit when I see it. It's really hard to turn an entire town around if at once they've bought into crap. Also, do you really believe three scum would work like that to eliminate one townie? Lawyering again, by the way.

No, I do not think there are three scum voting me. What I said was it seems like some sort of coordinated effort to come in and pick up arguing with me from wherever the last guy left off. It's very annoying, and raises my suspicion of everyone doing it.

And what crap are you talking about? CK's case?

My point is that town will be doubly screwed over by my lynch.

1. I'm town.
2. Even if you unvote me now, I will still be the lynch. So, effectively, there is no information to be gained from scum vote patterns day1.

On the flip side, I won't be asking any more questions or except anymore thinking from anyone.

@Whoever wanted me to prove I'm not scum- Uhhhhh, what? I can show you my Town Lemming card, if that will help.

[PeregrineV]

Shadow- I missed your vote, then please tell me why mike is scum (or quote) and tell me why that makes him more likely scum than Per.

Per- I don't understand what you are trying to imply.

Mike's play seems just forced and unnatural to me, I miss comclusive thought developement and general justification in his reads.

Per... I mostly don't unerstand. 90% of what he's doing really looks just like he doesn't know himself what he is doing. In other words - he may be scum, but mostly he is just definitely a really bad player and a typical day 1 lynch. A good shot in the dark, but nothing more.

@Shadow- Vote for Malp and it will all become clearer.

[PeregrineV]

^What a weird thing to say; do you have an explanation ready for what you think is wrong with malpascp?

Yes, out of all of my fans, he's the only one to do so with next to no explanation. He jumped on the biggest wagon, and that's exactly why he said he did it. He's trying to lynch, not lynch scum.

[PeregrineV]

@CK- So it boils down to you didn't like the way I played. Oh well, sucks to be me I guess. You couldn't stop my lynch now if you tried, so I have nothing to claim that won't become obvious at my flip.

@Oversoul- didn't expect you to fufill CMAR's promise, I was merely giving the route that took me here for town to use in future days. For town's sake you should probably place a vote for the scummiest person before day ends.

@Shadow Dancer- That's the third time I've seen you say something to the effect that I'm not scum, but you're OK with my lynch.

@Taz- Maybe the mod will be gracious and make Lemming Pledge the Pledge to take someone out with me (Vengeful Townie). Now that would be cool.

End of day is 3pm my time. I'll try to post final thoughts by then, work permitting.

[PeregrineV]

boils down to I think your play is scummy and all things i said is why I think its scummy

Yes, but your reasoning is so weak as to be a scumclaim. If I were more experienced I'd know for sure, but I'm not, so I don't.

[PeregrineV]

malpascp (picked Cement)
Kublai Khan (picked Jack Hammer)
PeregrineV (picked Lemming Pledge)
me=weird (picked Concrete Mixer)
TOGTFO (picked Creatures)
Chuji Kunisada (picked Bookie)
mikemike778 (picked Limo)
Tazaro (Pier)
jilynne1991 (picked Fedora)
Shadow Dancer (picked shooter)
Oversoul (picked Payoff)
Jedo the Jedi (picked Cliff Diving)

Vote Count:

Tazaro (2) jilynne1991, Kublai Khan
Peregrine (6) Chuji Kunisada, me=weird, Jedo the Jedi, malpascp, mikemike778, Shadow Dancer
malpascp (1): PeregrineV

Not voting:
TOGTFO
Oversoul
Tazaro

So, no activity even. Oh well.

Why they could be

malpascp (picked Cement)

Scum

: Lurking, not contributing, voting to lynch for no reason, no scumhunting

Town

: Town meta

Kublai Khan (picked Jack Hammer)

Scum

: Tunneling, voting Taz as part of a trap, but not following up with cases on anyone

Town

: Claims to have tried to trap Taz wagoners

me=weird (picked Concrete Mixer)

Scum

: Failing to answer questions. Overreaction to questions.

Town

: Gave case and reasons for voting, general (weak) scumhunting

TOGTFO (picked Creatures)

Scum

: Do an Iso.

Town

: Town meta

Chuji Kunisada (picked Bookie)

Scum

: Followed through on weak day1 case, no other scumhunting

Town

: Town meta

mikemike778 (picked Limo)

Scum

: Didn't seem to stick to any read, jumps onto easiest lynch

Town

: General town cluelessness and indecisiveness

Tazaro (Pier)

Scum

: Fear of being seen attached a vote for longer than a page. General nervousness with activity veiled as content.

Town

: General town cluelessness and dislike of mislynch. Active and attempting to converse.

jilynne1991 (picked Fedora)

Scum

: Replacing out so could go either way

Town

: Replacing out so could go either way

Shadow Dancer (picked shooter)

Scum

: Asking to prove a negative. Going with "best lynch" instead of actual scumhunting.

Town

: Town meta

Oversoul (picked Payoff)

Scum

: Mostly due to CMAR lurking. Most town player.

Town

: Did full analysis of game when entering, seems most town player.

Jedo the Jedi (picked Cliff Diving)

Scum

: Continuing non-productive conversations. General lack of scumhunting.

Town

: Town meta

Pip pip, cheerio, and all that rot!

[PeregrineV]

Everyone looks at the mission card they found on Pere.

Your mission: Lemming Pledge

Your mission tonight is to survive.
Luck was not on your side when it came to mission. You are lucky if you sleep well tonight at all.

Oh, I slept well last night...with the fishes!!




P.S. Bah!

[PeregrineV]

MESSAGE FROM MOD

@mod

- Upon death are all past roles flipped?

The only mission card flipped is the one the player currently has in their hand at the time of their death.

[PeregrineV]

MESSAGE FROM THE MOD:

Mission Cards:

Bookie
Polkadot tie
Shooter
Payoff
Race
Concrete Mixer
Cement
Thief
Jackhammer
Pier
Limo

Order of picking:

Chuji Kunisada
Jedo the Jedi
Me=Weird
Oversoul
TOGTFO
mikemike778
Shadow Dancer
malpascp
Kublai Khan
Llamafluff
Tazaro

Vote count:

Me=Weird (2) Oversoul, mikemike778
Chuji Kunisada (1) Me=Weird
Tazaro (4) Llamafluff, malpascp, Shadow Dance

not voting:

Jedo the Jedir, Kublai Khan, Tazaro, TOGTFO, Chuji


With 11 alive it will take 6 to lynch
Deadline is Monday August 1st, 7:00am PST

Jedo the Jedi

has until Sunday July 24, 7:00am PST to pick a mission

Chuji Kunisada

can pick a mission at any time.

[PeregrineV]

Aren't you supposed to be dead?

Yes, I am dead. But am observing from Lemming heaven. And when requested, I come down as a Angel Lemming and post mod-requested messages.

[PeregrineV]

Mission cards:

Bookie
Cement
Jackhammer

Picking order:

malpascp (can pick any time)
me=weird (can pick at any time)
TOGTFO (picking)
Shadow Dancer (Picked thief)
Llamafluff (picked limo)
Chuji Kunisada (picked Concrete Mixer)

Deadline for day 4 is 2 weeks from this post.
TOGFO'S turn to pick a mission, Me=weird, and Malpascp can pick a mission at any time.

Vote Count:

Chuji (1) Llamafluff
No lynch (1) TOGFO
Llamafluff (1) shadow

Not Voting:
Chuji, me=weird, malpascp

It takes 4 to lynch before deadline.

Deadline September 6, 6:00pm PST

Deadline Extension Vote:
Extension: chuji, Llama and TOGFO
no extension: Me=weird, Shadow, malpascp
Needs 4 for an extension.

[PeregrineV]

Mission cards:

malpascp (picked Jackhammer)
me=weird (Bookie)
TOGTFO (picked Cement)
Shadow Dancer (Picked thief)
Llamafluff (picked limo)
Chuji Kunisada (picked Concrete Mixer)

Vote Count:

Chuji (2) Llamafluff, Me=weird

Llamafluff (1) shadow
No lynch (1) TOGFO

Not Voting (2):

Chuji, malpascp

It takes 4 to lynch before deadline.

Deadline September 6, 6:00pm PST

Deadline Extension Vote:

Extension: Chuji, Llama and TOGFO
no extension: Me=weird, Shadow, malpascp
Needs 4 for an extension.

V/LA

Me=weird 9/6

[PeregrineV]

@Farside- just curious, Did you already have my lemming pledge cartoon, or did you use mine for my death scene?

@Mike- Shadow was voting you, I was voting Malp, and you and Malp were voting me.

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV was

The Red Lemming

(A Town Lemming)

:

You are the Red lemming

You currently have no special abilities at this time

Your goal is not only to survivor but to find the mafia lemmings and eliminate them.

Please confirm in thread:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=17877