Team Mafia: White Flag Mafia
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Hi. Klazam has had some real life issues that prevents him from being as present as he feels the game deserved, so I am stepping in as his teammate. I was in PYP and flipped already, and have since been following this game very closely and cheerleading Klazam because I really like how the gameplay of this game shook out.
Let me gather my thoughts and get up a major post.
I'll tell you right now that I intend to vote for mith and have suspected him since I first read the game, partway through yesterday.-
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mith wrote:DemonHybrid: Fair enough if you would have spoken up on suspecting Equinox, but wouldn't you also speak up (before now, when you have been asked about her directly) if you found her townish? That whole exchange with LlamaFluff reads like you were trying to defend Equinox without actually coming out and committing to a town read (in case things went south?).
First in 51, we have you responding to LlamaFluff's vote by questioning his stance on meta; the follow-up in 55 then asks (paraphrasing) "Well if you think it's Equinox-IP, why aren't you picking on IP??".
So that's part of what was odd about that exchange. Then you apparently take offense when he implies you agree with him about Equinox - again without actually saying "No, I think she's town", followed by some "I FOSed you and you didn't respond" sulking. Meh.
(I'm not sure which point you're talking about with "I believe I have the right to agree with a point, even though I don't have a specific read on a person." - if you're talking about your post 45 point 2, I'm still lost, because you're saying you have the right to agree to a point which was never made. If you're talking about some other point, clarify.)
DrippingGoofball: I'm loving a DemonHybrid/Llamarble/Equinox group right now; they were my top three independently, but DH/Equinox makes a lot of sense given the above, and I quite like Llamarble/Equinox for the sheeping, plus the end of 179: "If I were Sottytown and didn't like the parroting, I'd have liked Equinox for wavelengthsharing on disliking the Mith wagon parroting.".
This post by mith was one of the first things that bothered me, but I couldn't put my finger on it until later. First, it was just his lack of vote and his reasoning for it which I didn't like. Lack of vote is more often a scumtell than not -- however, I'm not dumb enough to think that this is anything but a nulltell in the hands of mith. But it did make me pay attention to his posts more closely.
This dancing around Equinox is, and continues to be, mith's only point against DH that has any validity whatsoever (except being off the DGB wagon, which occurred later).
mith's case on DH then shifts to attacking him for attacking Llama for attacking one out of a possible scumpair (in which the facts on both sides were all sorts of screwy).
This is quite ironic to me, and something I pointed out to Klazam, which led him to ask mith some questions about the Equinox/DH relationship according to mith.
In order for DH to be scum according to mith, it seems to me, Equinox would HAVE to be scum. Mith attacks DH for "lying" about his read on Equinox, but in this scenario, DHscum would ONLY have motivation to lie about Equinoxscum if they were scumbuddies.
So if this is the suspicious behavior mith "keyed in on," and he puts Equinox in his supposed scumteam speculation and suspects Equinox, why wouldn't he attack Equinox? In the very LEAST, why would he not take this as an impetus to look more closely at Equinox's play as a way to inform his DH read?
The whole attack on DH by mith reads to me as scum-motivated. It doesn't look to me like mith made the attack with the intent of determining alignment, and the way his read progressed seems fabricated to me. He was going for a mislynch, and was always going for a mislynch; I think a townie in this situation would have done more to look at the DH-Equinox link, but scummith would not have because he wanted to keep Equinox open as a possible mislynch later on.
mith wrote: [snip]
Reading through SocioPath's DGB case... mostly seems to lack substance (and has that distinctive OMGUS feel), until the last two points (about DGB trying to negate a town read on SP by calling it a null tell; and the DGB/Equinox obvtown link). Of the leading wagons, I would still feel more confident switching to Llamarble.
(LlamaFluff drops down The List™ to "solidly town" status. Still not sure what was bothering the gut, but it's gone now.)
This is a humongous pile of fencesitting which is pretty predictably followed by a turnaround. When mith posted this, the DGB wagon didn't have much weight. Here, he treated it very lightly, but did you notice his attempt to discredit Socio's case? I did. "Oh, case is bad, moving on, nothing to see here folks." But he doesn't get into the specifics of it because most of the case actually DOES have substance - and mith himself changed his mind on this later.
This is followed by even more fencesitting and another completely fabricated read progression. Highlights from progressing posts:
"Sticking with DemonHybrid for now, but I'm starting to talk myself into DGB-scum."
One last attempt to discredit socio, and then, "Sotty and Thor, point taken about the DH vote not going anywhere." (puts DGB at L-1, wagon is obviously a go by then)
With DGB at L-1: "DGB seems to be grasping for a lifeline with the Thor stuff."
Then, he gives a "summary" of why he thinks DGB is scum.
It REEKS of a late bus. Absolutely reeks.
And then this:
mith wrote:Ooh, great catch. Anyone know whether scum have day talk or not? I don't see anything in the OP about day talk, so I'm inclined to switch to Chris B ASAP if they do (and likewise put him solidly in the town camp if not).
So fake. This supposed "slip" from OOOOOOOBVTOWN ChrisB is just silly. His not knowing about this is just more indication of that.
VOTE: mith
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Also, for reference, this is my reads list I posted in our team QT before day 1 ended. I'll post an updated one when I finish giving my rundowns on players, as it has changed.
Llamarble
DGB
Mith
Thor
Equinox
Ipie
LlamaFluff
Socio
DH
Sevei
Sotty
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Sotty, why does Klazam replacing out make you suspicious? What about replacing out is a scumtell?-
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Sevei wrote:Sevei 209 wrote:(Marble doesn't talk about [DGB], either--but I bet he will now.)
Sevei
Llamarble 217 wrote:I'll quickread DGB now and then be off for most of the day.
Llamarble 219 wrote:DGB makes a lot of sense to me overall. I like her readslist, her Sociopath case, and her Equinox townread.
Quickread is as town, but I'll deepanalyze later.
Marble, you make no mention of anything I said about you or DGB in 217, yet you feel the need to announce you are now going to look at DGB out of the blue? Why DGB at that point specifically? Because aside from my comments, there doesn't seem to be any reason for you to have done that at that particular point in time.
This post of Sevei gave Sevei MAJOR townpoints for me, since this is something I had noticed and given Llamarble scumpoints for before Sevei actually posted it.
His analysis of the wagon on him today also keeps me at a fairly solid town read on him. The wagon on Sevei is absolute shit.
Llamarble
I think Llamarble is the most likely third partner, after mith. DGB's fake "llama" mix up was strange, as was the series of posts Sevei quoted above.
Sotty and Sevei have both made other solid points on Llamarble.
Personally, I disliked the self vote in RVS that he left on himself as he FoSed multiple people.I find multiple FoSes scummy in and of themselves, as it's usually indicative of scum laying down suspicion to fall back on if the opportunity arises. DH was the first one to point this out to me, as he went after someone for this who flipped scum while DH was town. So, if Llamarble flips scum, DH gets some scum points.
One thing that really bugged me about Llamarble today: I liked his idea about the pairing stuff, but why would he ever clear mith as someone the town agrees is obvtown? Wtf? He was at least one person's top suspect at that point. It was really strange and read as an attempt to WIFOM the town into a bunch of mislynches.
p-edit: He requested that someone else take it (suggested Rhinox) but I've loved following this game and asked to go in instead because I was itching to play.-
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EBWOP: I meant to say that Klazam really wasn't under much pressure. P sure nobody is voting for him, even.-
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SCUM
Mith: Covered in a previous post.
Llamarble: Covered in a previous post.
Thor: I've played with him before in a town that got nominated for best town, and his play isn't very similar. Plus the late DGB attack on him was strange.
Equinox: The way she cleared Sotty read very townie to me, though other things have been more questionable. A teammate of mine thinks she's scum, though, because Socio drew a link between Equinox and DGB and then got NKed.
Ipie: His reads are terrible, so very terrible, but I don't think he's scum.
DH: mith/DH does not feel like scum on scum. Gets minor scumpoints if Llamarble flips scum, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
Sotty: Llamarble/Sotty and DGB/Sotty do not read like busses
Sevei: In previous post, but I forgot to add that I replaced a Sevei-slot once that was far more lurky even than this, and it was a town slot.
LlamaFluff: Our reads agree strongly. Mith dance around him reads as hoping for a mislynch on a town player.
Chris B: Anyone calling this player scum is probably scum, though I do wish he would post more.
TOWN
p-edit: Actually, Llamarble being an opposing wagon to DGB is a point against him, imho. DGB's buddies had a huge incentive to push Llamarble over DGB, but in fact, Llamarble's biggest opposition also suspected DGB and helped push that wagon along. I think the two biggest wagons on d1 were on scum (with the exception of the Ipie wagon, which grew much more quickly than either of those, which should tell you something).
My read on LF is above, but some elaboration:
He went through a lot of trouble to clear my slot today, and he is right. A scum player simply would not have done that in this position.-
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InflatablePie wrote:Reading through ISOs to do the pairs thing out of boredom, and Klazam's ISO 16 is horrible in hindsight.
Klazam wrote:All right. The buzz in my hive(My teammates, if its not being obvious) is telling me to look @ DGB.
I'm looking and i'm finding DGB very unreadable.
Am i correct in assuming that the main case on DGB is mainly about how DGB cannot say Sociopath is town? What else? If you all could clarify this, it would be awesome.
I mean, good lord.
The only thing still giving me a townread though is D1 VCs 3/4/5/6. I can't see scum both jumping on Socio that early and close together, but... hrm.
And I would like to state for the record that this post was a result of me clamoring in the QT that DGB was scum and Socio was not and Klazam needed to reverse his reads on these two asap. He still disagreed, so he came into the thread looking for more.
p-edit: lolwhat? Do you not understand degrees? Do you think I think all four of those people are scum together?
I don't think they're all scum at all. I think mith is scum and I feel strongly about it. If I'm right about that, the game ends.
The third scum I think is Llamarble, but if I'm wrong, it is one of {Thor, Equinox}.
Ipie, you're not scum. Your reads are just terrible.-
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I disagree with my teammate, as stated above. I just thought more opinions were better, since I had them available.
I think scum would have NKed Socio regardless, since he was above and away obviously town after the DGB flip. Plus you went out of your way to clear Sotty and I see no scum motivation for that. PoE still leaves you at #4, though.-
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P sure Fluff could not attack mith for focusing on people on the wagon, since mith is focusing on people on the wagon: DH.
My reads ARE in order, but there is a huge amount of difference between my confidence in the top few slots. My reads are not wishy-washy and interchangeable.
I would rather no lynch than lynch anyone outside of mith or LLamarble. I would probably compromise on a Thor wagon.
I don't understand your points against Fluff, Ipie. It looks like moonbeams and nonsense to me.-
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If that was his motivation, and this was a scumslot, wouldn't I have just taken it to begin with?-
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Sotty, I'd like to see actual thoughts on all that I've said instead of pushing a vague suspicion on me that doesn't even make sense. You're only town by virtue of me suspecting Llamarble, to be honest.-
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I didn't mean GET IT UP RIGHT NOW RAWRRRRRRRRR. Just saying, eventually, I would like a response from you specifically.-
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Sotty7 wrote:Okay Amrun, I initially didn't like your mith vote when I first saw it. But reading you post I realize it isn't so terrible. You voice a lot of the problems I had with mith on day one up until I re-read his exchange with DH, we just came to different conclusions.
Is your read of DH tied in completely with your mith read? Same question about your Fluff read. What do you think of DH's complete lack of presence in this game? What do you think of Fluff defending DGB on day one?
After reading your posts 562 looks really out of place. You have me reasonably high on your list and yet imply that I'm only townish because of my interactions with marble. I don't like that back tracking much.
Other than that I liked your info dump almost enough to down grade you back behind Llamafluff.
My read of DH is tied in with my read of marble. If mith were to die and flip town, I'd have some re-evaluating to do.
My read on Fluff is dependent on nothing. He's town. I see his defense of DGB as a towntell more than anything. Fluffscum would bus there, in my opinion.
My post 562 is misleading. I didn't mean you are scum indepedent of the marble interaction.
However, the reason I have the degree of townread I have on you is due to my suspicion of Marblescum. Were he to flip town, you'd lose some town points but not necessarily gain any scumpoints. I would re-evaluate you and other's cases on you if that were to transpire.-
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I also should add that mith's insistence we look outside the wagon for scum is strange, and considering how I think he's scum who bussed late, scummy.
Both scum were not off the wagon. No way.-
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To be fair, Thor, I don't think you are scum.
If and when one/both of my top two are wrong, the whole list will shift anyway.-
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Meaning you want me to make a towncase on Sotty? I've said all I'm going to say on that matter barring another flip.-
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Mith:
Can you point me to somewhere you previously discussed DH being scum independent of Equinox in relation to his omission of a full read on her?
As for the second point, I did not mean you should have been voting Equinox over DH. You do express rather strong suspicion f her, but almost in a throwaway manner. You attack DH for the supposed connection between Equinox/DH, and spend most of the day arguing with him about it, and yet I see not ONE question directed at Equinox or any specific statement about her play that she could respond to. This is a major thing in my eyes that leads me towards the case not feeling genuine. I think in a townie noticing the things in DH that you noticed would be approached differenty if you were town. There would have been more curiosity, and a questioning and discussion of Equinox would have been a natural extension of that. Instead, the attack read more like looking for somethig to nail DH with.
With the confirmation bias thing in that one comment, yes. I made no bones about it. But I'll explain more what I meant. It looks to me as if you are creating a false dichotomy: scum would be off the wagon, so we must lynch from this pool of players. Knowing who you are, and namely the being the creator of this set-up, your talks of theory have a lot of sway. It is possible that you have an entirely different theory of bussing in this set-up than me, but regardless of your own strategy, I think you would know that we must account for all styles of play. In short, I think you are using seductive but false reasoning to line up mislynches.
I think it's far more likely that at least one of the scum bussed. As it so happens, I suspect one person on the wagon and one off. I think it's a distraction to obsess about what scum would do, because people play scum in countless different ways. What we should be looking for HOW people got on or stayed off the wagon: was it scummy? What were their motivations?
(That last bit is also an answer for Equinox.)
DH: I go out of my way to defend you and then you call ChrisB scum. -.-
P-edit: I actually think you are tunneling.-
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Explain how ChrisB is scummy, DH.
I like mith's answers to my questions and now I'm confused. :/-
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DH, tell me how the ChrisB/DGB interaction is a bus. Explain it.-
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I'm listening, but I was more referring to DGB's clumsy attempt to redirect her wagon onto ChrisB. If that was a bus by DGB, I'll be impressed. I think she was trying to save her hide.-
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You're going to need to explain more than that, Equinox.
Ipie, you drastically misinterpreted (what I interpreted as) LlamaFluff's intent in that post.-
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I think what he was saying is that there is absolutely not enough support to lynch me today, and that if he was convinced of Amrunscum, he must necessarily be convinced of DHscum, which does have support, so the vote makes little sense.
And it was also an attempt to show that if I were scum, I could only be scum with DH and no one else, so I don't make sense as scum.
That's how I read it, anyway. He wasn't saying me or DH actually is scum.-
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Because he doesn't think either of us are scum, especially me.
If DH flipped scum, my attack on mith would becom a humongous chainsaw.
It seemed pretty obvious to me.-
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I didn't defend him. I don't see it that way.
You were calling llamafluff scum for something he never did or said. I'm not going to sit by and let that happen to anyone.
I have no idea how you reached the conclusions you reached from his post. There were several leaps of logic that were just in outer space.
You want it to be defending? Llama is town, so sure, whatever. Knock yourself out.-
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Because I thought that Ipie would regard that as Llama "backtracking" when in fact, it was ipie grosssly misinterpreting what had been said in the first place.
I thought he might listen to a third partym. I didn't sit there and think about it for 10 years. I saw ipie derping it ad thought I'd correct it, especially as other people were lisrening to him for som inexplicable reason.
I wish someone had done the same for TFH and mith when they were arguing in outer space on day1.-
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Equinox wrote:Amrun wrote:Because I thought that Ipie would regard that as Llama "backtracking"
Read the post(s) again. Ipie even says as much.
And once again, he demonstrates an astonishing ability to misunderstand.
Llama's townread on m is stronger than his townread on DH. Capisce? This is basic reading comprehension, people.
And yes, sotty, llama is one of my top townreads. I posted a list a couple of pages ago.-
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Equinox wrote:Oh, no, that's not what I was reacting to. I was shocked at your explanation. If LlamaFluff is town, he should be able to defend himself on his own terms. Instead, you didn't trust him to be able to do that and galloped in, banners raised, for fear that InflatablePie would accuse LlamaFluff of backtracking.
I'm not against people defending their town reads -- I do that myself -- but in this case, that was a poor move, as you could have simply waited to get reactions from both InflatablePie and LlamaFluff before acting. I'm just stuck deciding on whether or not you'd do this as scum for your scum buddy because it's too bloody obvious of a move, but...damn.
I didn't really take 10 years thinking about it. I just said something offhand about how ipie was reading some other post on some other continent in some other game, you asked me to clarify, so I did.
I think Llamafluff could explain himself perfectly clearly, and I never have any issue understanding his posts.
Ipie, however, suffers from some severe confirmation bias, and I don't have as much faith in his ability to interpret posts, as has been demonstrated throughout the game. That's why his reads are very wrong (I think, anyway). No offense, ipie, that's just what I think.-
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InflatablePie wrote:Amrun wrote:Ipie, however, suffers from some severe confirmation bias.
Hey, mudslinging!
How's THAT for confirmation bias?
Should I pretend that you don't? You twist everything someone you suspect does to be scummy, often blatantly misinterpreting the posts and intents of the posts to do so.
I, however, believe these to be genuine mistakes in your case.-
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InflatablePie wrote:Amrun wrote:Should I pretend that you don't? You twist everything someone you suspect does to be scummy, often blatantly misinterpreting the posts and intents of the posts to do so.
I, however, believe these to be genuine mistakes in your case.
Honestly, you and Fluff are my scumteam pick at the moment, so obviously damn near everything you two post are going to seem suspicious to me.
You are, however, attacking my playstyle and/or skill in order to discredit my argument. There's a difference between this and just saying "hey, you misread that" and leaving it as such, which you shouldn't need to post (as town) when it's directed at another player.
To be honest, if you just would have said "okay whatever" instead of even going as far as to defend Fluff AGAIN in 659 after I ask Sotty a question, I would have let you off the hook. "Pie, you're nuts. k?" would have probably gotten me off your case.
But no, the middle two parts in 659 are what's gotten me uncomfortable right now.
At this point, if you flip town, I'm going to have to re-evaluate all of my reads.
Unvote, Vote: Amrun
PEdit: what the hell is that a ChrisB wall
I'd really appreciate it if you actually listened to what Fluff and even mith have said. I don't make sense as scum in really any team. It sounds rather lame when I say it as opposed to other people saying it, but objectively, it is true.
I'm not trying to call you a bad player. I'm just saying that in this particular game, you're letting blind confidence in your reads distract you from evaluating. It's happened to me before, for sure. It's hard to see it when you're in it.
Go look at Open 289 Hardboiled if you want to see me being pants on head town with wrong reads that wouldn't listen. What a sad game for me.-
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If anyone is interested, see Cold War mafia where Llama went so far as to fake a governor role to save me from a lynch. We were both town.
I learned something valuable from him that day: don't let your town reads get lynched if you can help it.
I feel very strongly that Llama is town, and I'm not going to let someone misrepresent his posts so badly without so much as correcting them.
That's just how it is going to be. Scumreads are only half of a mafia game. The other half is town reads and they're just as important.-
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Once again, you and Equinox are conveniently ignoring what actually happened. I didn't set out to defend Llama or anything. I just made a comment that iPie was misinterpreting Llama's post, Equinox ASKED me what I thought about it, so I answered.
So, Equinox, if you thought it was better for me to wait for llama, then you probably shouldn't have asked me about it. Convenient how you forget that you actually prompted what you are taking issue with.
Ipie, I wasn't looking for scum or town points with the Cold War example. My point was that it's a null tell, not a scumtell. I don't understand why anyone is trying to cal that a null tell. Seems rather silly. What Cold War is is proof that Llama and I in particular will defend each other as town if we have town reads on each other. If you want to argue we would do it as scum, then okay, go ahead, but my point is that we have and would do it as town. So this thing you're hemming and hawwing about means nothing.
As for Llama's towniness, I already explained that I do NOT think that LLama would defend a buddy like that, especially in this set up. So his interaction with DGB says that LLama is town pretty clearly to me.
If he's ever under any sort of pressure, I might go farther, but that should be enough, really. Llamascum plays for the longhaul. Check it out.-
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DemonHybrid wrote:In fact, NOT A SINGLE PERSON has given me a solid, believable explanation on WHY they think Chris B is town. His play has been OPTIMAL newish scum play and you guys are focusing on fucking -Amrun-?!
I gave you one. You ignored it.-
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His play is clumsy, but I liked it day 1.
And day 2 he made a big ol' slip that just shows he's not scum.-
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DemonHybrid wrote:Amrun wrote:His play is clumsy, but I liked it day 1.
And day 2 he made a big ol' slip that just shows he's not scum.
You mean the slip that really was null in the end, since it was ambiguous as to whether he really meant team QTs or scum daytalk?
No, because it wasn't.-
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Except he didn't need a townie gambit. He was already not the lynch.
His play day 1 and the things he noticed made me think he was town with a level of confidence.
I'll look back and rethink it.
But for your sake, I'd think about another suspect you are willing to compromise on.-
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I have decided I'm willing to compromise on a Sotty lynch, though it's still not optimal.
Llamarble or mith is who should be swinging for real.-
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Why willing to compromise with an Amrun vote now, Sotty? That doesn't really make sense with your previous statements.
And if you're willing to compromise on mith, why not do it?-
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Tell me how an Amrun wagon is more viable than a Llamarble and/or a LlamaFluff wagon. As far as I know, the only one who wants to see me hang today is Ipie, who would happily hang Fluff as well. (If I forgot anyone, go ahead and correct.)
Everyone is mostly ignoring my mith case and points on Llamarble, all of which I'd like to see discussed.-
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To be honest, I feel a little less confident than I felt earlier in the day that mith is scum precisely because I do like some of the answers he gave.
However, I still feel overall MORE confident that you are scum over anyone else at this point. I do feel that I have questioned you all that will be productive without another flip, in any case. (And I did very have several back and forths with mith about my case, Sotty, ftr.)
Llamarble I didn't question as much because he seemed to be on V/LA at the time I posted and I assumed he would post about it later, though he hasn't.
Llamarble: please post more about this.
Llamafluff: I meant to ask you to comment on my Llamarble post, since you also suspected him. What do you think about it.
Something I commented on and never directly asked DH: Why did you not find Llamarble's multiple FoSes without a vote on d1 scummy in the way that you found IS and/or Tasky's multiple FoSes scummy in New Designers mafia?-
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DemonHybrid wrote:Was IS's FoSes all in the same post? I can't remember.
Tasky's was for sure. I forgot about IS, but I think so. Link is in my wiki, if you need it.-
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DemonHybrid wrote:IS's FoSes were all in different posts.
Tasky's were in the same posts, but they were three separate and different FoSes with different intentions. I don't think that style applies to Llamarble.
How so?-
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DemonHybrid wrote:Also, Chris says that he's the most vulnerable and an easy "mislynch".
He's also on drugs, probably. Either that or he chose to ignore the fact that everyone but me has a town read on him.
I'm not asking you to explain it for my health.-
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LLamarble, get a hold of yourself. I never said I agreed with all of Sevei's arguments. I said I think Sevei is town. I do not understand this leap of logic.
I also have no control over Klazam. He was kind of flaking, obviously, and selectively posted some things I screamed the loudest about. I guess he didn't agree about my read on you.-
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But why are Tasky's FoSes scummy and Llamarble's not?-
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I agreed with the latter, not the thing about 217. I don't see how discrediting my town read on Sevei by calling it "retarded" accomplishes anything pro-town.-
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Llamarble wrote:I don't disagree with "I had same thought as X before X posted it -> townread on X;" This is logic I use all the time.
I am saying given Sevei's argument making no sense, I do not see town coming to the same conclusion before she did.
I have "say I agreed with something my scumbuddy said before they said it and give them a townread" in my scumbagotricks, so I think you did this but failed to evaluate whether it was actually possible for you to have had that thought before Sevei did.
Of course it was possible for me to have that thought before Sevei did, as that is what happened. You clearly have never understood what Sevei was saying to begin with, so arguing about it is like arguing with a brick wall as you refuse to understand or see anyone else's point of view - and also seem to think disagreeing with you is a scum tell, which it is not.
Sotty: I don't fully suspect you, so I won't give a case. It's mostly that my gut is less comfortable with you than it is with some other people. I could point out a couple of posts here and there that struck me the wrong way, but I won't since I don't want to lynch you today. If I were trying to get you lynched, I would have posted a case on you long before.-
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Thor665 wrote:@DH - If you're scum, you've owned my face.
If you're town, than I sort of equally hate this tunneling muck of a town too - so we have that to bond over
Sorry, DH bro. Looks like you're going to hang today. No fault of mine.-
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I say we take all the time we need. I don't know why people's panties are getting all bunched up.
Your town flip will help my cases so oh well.-
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It's not LyLo, so I'm not worried. I said what I think about your slot. Others don't agree.
In case I'm pants-on-heading this, the game could be over. So whatevs.-
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Yes. mith could happen and my case is wonderful.-
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I do agree that this DH issue will not go away until he dies. *sigh*-
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Sotty7 wrote:I hate this game.
DH's team can take a running jump for all I care. Saying I avoided contact with Sevei is lolsy when I have defended her hammer practically all day.
More later when I have woken up properly.
This smells ever so slightly of a "caught for the wrong reasons" hissy fit. Nothing definitive, though.
ChrisB, why are townreads bad?-
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Attacking Equinox for lack of fencesitting
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What is the scum motivation for Equinox's action?-
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Equinox, help me make mith happen.
If I'm wrong, I swear I'll sheep your vote tomorrow.-
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Wagon+Equinox+Thor+a reasonable member of society=6
In the very least, he's less obvtown than DH.
*puppy dog eyes*
P-edit: it varies on the player. Possibly a one-on one-off kind of deal. I lean towards both on, though. More likely than avid defending is smply being off the wagon, though anything is possible.-
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Amrun wrote:I do agree that this DH issue will not go away until he dies. *sigh*
What, this one? Yell away.
Is Sotty a doable compromise wagon? Or even better, Llamarble?-
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I keep forgetting this set up! Bump my thoughts on likelihood of defense up. But I have townreads on the people defending DH.-
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