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@EP- C'mon, how often would I ever really get to use that gif otherwise. It's classic!!
@Channel- Your case is so uttering compelling, I am very surprised. Each time I read it, I get chills and see things in a new light.
Opps, sorry. That was just gas.
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ReaperCharlie wrote:PeregrineV wrote:Unvote: Thor.
We want more Thor, not less Thor.
@ReaperCharlie- Your machine's either 50% or 100% busted.
A) Please explain your unvote.
B) Please explain your comment "more Thor, not less Thor".
C) If you don't want Thor gone, then... why were you voting for him?
D) What reason do we have to believe you that my WA™ 3000's broken?
E) It's maintained on a bi-weekly basis. Ergo I know it's in top form.
A- L-1 is too easy to hammer, and I currently don't feel Thor is scum, and there's no impending deadline.
B- Pressure is to encourage responses. I voted for pressure, not to lynch (taking Thor out of the game).
C-See B. Pressure.
D- I'm not scum, so it's at least 50% broken. If Rag is town, then it's 100% broken.
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ChannelDelibird wrote:PeregrineV wrote:@ReaperCharlie- Your machine's either 50% or 100% busted.
Which of these options do you think is more likely, Peregrine?
I have no clue right now. Rag has done no more or less than other players so far today, so he hasn't particularly earned a scum or town read.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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ChannelDelibird wrote:PeregrineV wrote:I have no clue right now. Rag has done no more or less than other players so far today, so he hasn't particularly earned a scum or town read.
What do you think of post 168?
I don't think town necessarily has to react with suspicion. I think Rag was pointing out the irony of it all, fully aware that one of his votes was one of the ones being mentioned (myirony read comes from the "LOL" at the beginning of the sentence) But, I may be wrong. Only Rag knows for sure.
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Hey CDB, I have to disagree (yes, that ryhmed!)
ReaperCharlie called me names, ignored my posts, randomly posts 2 man scum teams, and in general does not bathe regularly. He would be a perfect lynch candidate, and people will love you if you vote for him.
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@Rag- no, but Mastermind of Sin only posting 3 times and not adding a drop to the thread is annoying.
I also like the ability to read each persons posts all grouped together. I'll do that again in the next few days and see if anything stands out.
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Ragnarokio wrote:this game is just filled to the brim with cool people.
@Peregrine: Any reason in particular you don't find anyone suspicious?
This game is just filled to the brim with cool people.
And, lots of suspicious behavior, but not mafia-type suspicious behavoir.
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Since I am not yet assured of the intentions of RC, I can't fully agree with his case on Dana, although I might be interested in hearing more.
EP is sounding remarkably reasonable. And, another point of posting is to generate conversation, not wait until it is turned to you.
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danakillsu wrote:Despite the way what looks?
This is the only thing I could find in your post that was about me and was not full of crap. Before I answer this, I have to deal with the rest of it, though. Please READ YOUR POST. OUT LOUD. TO YOURSELF. There is absolutely nothing besides this that is about me that uses any reasoning or could lead to any reasoning. You literally just assumed I am scum and thought "Hmm...how would scum sound doing this?" and just said I sounded like that. Nothing about WHY PeregrineV is not scum or WHY the thing I mentioned are not scumtells or WHY my points are minor, you just say they are and expect people to believe you. None of this is gonna stick, so you might as well just stop throwing it at me and hoping that just maybe it will.
To answer this question, though, what he's doing honestly doesn't look great and he even admitted it by saying he couldn't prove he wasn't just waiting for you to vote. It sounds really lame that he just "forgot" to vote earlier, but he doesn't care. That's a towntell, imo.
But you also have to realize that since I know I'm town, his agrument look pretty reasonable. Of course, I naturally distrust everyone until they're dead, but knowing my role, I would be more inclined to see his side over yours.
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danakillsu wrote:But you also have to realize that since I know I'm town, his agrument look pretty reasonable. Of course, I naturally distrust everyone until they're dead, but knowing my role, I would be more inclined to see his side over yours.
Of course, others may do the same depending on how they already view the players involved. So, it may stick.
What the heck are you talking about? Because you're town, you have to believe RC when he says I'm scum? You naturally distrust everyone, but trust his opinions despite his lack of reasoning?
This:
1. There is nothing scummy about the sentiments in that statement.
This:
Bad things in this iso include: Complete nitpicking of points so minor they shouldn't even be mentioned, calling people out for scumtells that don't exist, using phrases like "half-heartedly non-commits to a reread of the game" which is obviously framing the situation in a favorable light to your case, and attempting to exude an aura of confidence even when under obvious duress, which is exactly what Andrius was doing (or at least attempting to do).
and this:
I mean, Andrius's PBPA was worse, obv, and I lynched him for it. But this one is still very terrible and I'm interested as to why CDB ignored it and instead confirm-voted on someone who's not that scummy in comparison.
If I thought you were scum, you'd feel the wrath of my mighty vote. So, no, I don't think that yet, but trust his opinions listed above.
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Mastermind of Sin wrote:Hmm, was a bit suspicious of CDB's confirm vote on Peregrine, but I like the way he explained himself. I'm willing to see what Peregrine does when the discussion turns his way.
Unvote, Vote: PeregrineV
I like the way you liked the way he explained himself.
ChannelDelibird wrote:I think Peregrine is legit scummy, though. I quoted the sentence I did because it's worded from the perspective of scum who are afraid of having discussion turn to them. Town don't need to be afraid of that.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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ChannelDelibird wrote:I assumed that the post above was pending an EBWOP, seeing as you forgot to type your point.
Note: I generally avoid post wars this early in the game, as I find them fairly pointless. But, luckily, I got time while my hot pocket cooks.
My point was thatIliked the wayheliked the way you explained yourself. Your explaination being:
(1)I think Peregrine is legit scummy, though. (2)I quoted the sentence I did because it's worded from the perspective of scum who are afraid of having discussion turn to them. (3)Town don't need to be afraid of that.
To break down how you explained yourself:
1. Opinion.
2. Opinion.
3. Opinion.
So, Mastermind of Sin liked your opinions. I liked how he liked it.
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danakillsu wrote:PeregrineV wrote:danakillsu wrote:But you also have to realize that since I know I'm town, his agrument look pretty reasonable. Of course, I naturally distrust everyone until they're dead, but knowing my role, I would be more inclined to see his side over yours.
Of course, others may do the same depending on how they already view the players involved. So, it may stick.
What the heck are you talking about?Because you're town, you have to believe RC when he says I'm scum?You naturally distrust everyone, but trust his opinions despite his lack of reasoning?
This:
1. There is nothing scummy about the sentiments in that statement.
This:
Bad things in this iso include: Complete nitpicking of points so minor they shouldn't even be mentioned, calling people out for scumtells that don't exist, using phrases like "half-heartedly non-commits to a reread of the game" which is obviously framing the situation in a favorable light to your case, and attempting to exude an aura of confidence even when under obvious duress, which is exactly what Andrius was doing (or at least attempting to do).
and this:
I mean, Andrius's PBPA was worse, obv, and I lynched him for it. But this one is still very terrible and I'm interested as to why CDB ignored it and instead confirm-voted on someone who's not that scummy in comparison.
I realize that you think RC's side of the argument is better than mine.But you didn't answer my question, which is whether you being town in fact MEANS you have to believe I'm scumvia RC's arguments. Because that is literally what you were saying in that post.
If I thought you were scum, you'd feel the wrath of my mighty vote. So, no, I don't think that yet,but trust his opinions listed above.
But, please expand more on why he is wrong. Maybe you'll convince me to vote him again.
Ironically, you choose to use the word trust despite you saying that you did not trust anyone. But even more importantly, THAT LAST SENTENCE IS EXTREMELY SCUMMY. Why, you ask?
1) Because even if I could prove beyond a doubt that he was wrong, it wouldn't make him scum.
2) I don't particularly want anyone voting RC at this juncture.
3) I REALLY don't want to try to convince my top scumread to vote anyone (except himself, if that's allowed). You being convinced and voting someone would only make me think they were actually town.
Blue highlights for your enjoyment.
And more answers from out of theblue:
I say wrote:Maybe you'll convince me to vote him again.
Ironically, you choose to use the word trust despite you saying that you did not trust anyone. But even more importantly, THAT LAST SENTENCE IS EXTREMELY SCUMMY. Why, you ask?Why?
1) Because even if I could prove beyond a doubt that he was wrong, it wouldn't make him scum.How does this make the sentence scummy?
2) I don't particularly want anyone voting RC at this juncture.Why not?
3) I REALLY don't want to try to convince my top scumread to vote anyone (except himself, if that's allowed). You being convinced and voting someone would only make me think they were actually town.Still not seeing how that makes the sentence scummy. After all, you are posting all this crap to try to get people to agree with you. If you can get me to agree with you, I think you'd be very happy.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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danakillsu wrote:@ PeregrineV
I don't want anyone voting RC because I don't believe he's scum.
Voting RC is not "agreeing with me". It's actually doing the opposite.
How what I've said makes your sentence scummy would, I think, be plain to see.
No it's not.
danakillsu wrote:If you say "Maybe you'll convince me to vote him again." and convincing you to vote him is not something I want to do, you're misrepping my purposes.
Ok, now I get it after re-reading. You want me to think he is wrong in your argument, but not vote for him because he's not scum. In that case it was a misunderstanding. But, even after understanding, I'm not getting why you would care what I think if I'm scum. Get it?
danakillsu wrote:
If you're my top scum candidate, you're trying to get me to do something scummy by persuading you to vote someone else, which has no pro-town motivation.
Ok, I'm trying to get you to do something scummy by being persuaded by you to vote someone else? So, if you do persaude me, you become scum?
Do you see how this doesn't make sense when one employs common sense?
danakillsu wrote:
And back to this:
But you also have to realize that since I know I'm town, his agrument look pretty reasonable. Of course, I naturally distrust everyone until they're dead, but knowing my role, I would be more inclined to see his side over yours.
Of course, others may do the same depending on how they already view the players involved. So, it may stick.
This is DEFINITELY saying that you have to believe I'm scum. Let's look at what happened here.
1) ReaperCharlie calls me scum, partially because of the way in which I called you scum.
2) I tell him that his points aren't going to stick because they don't use logic. Context will pretty clearly tell you that I'm saying his efforts to make me look like SCUM are not going to work.
3) You say why you're inclined to take his side. Your main reason is the town role you say you've been given. You say OTHERS MAY DO THE SAME, AND IF SO, THATIT MAY STICK. In other words, if people take the same path you have, they will believe RC's arguments and think that I'm scum. I dare you to try to retcon your way out of that one, cause your words are pretty plain to see. So I ask you again: What about you being town and others being town WOULD make you AND them believe that RC is right and I am scum?
It was not saying that I beleive you to be scum, but after all the "hard work" you've put into your non-case on me, and then arguing your non-case with another town member (according to you), and then arguing it even more with me, I think you have changed my mind.
1) Yes he did. I saw that. Bad RC. :handslap:
2) Your opinion, but I see why you would want others to ignore his efforts.
3) I was actually referring to only RC's arguments that I posted the points to, about your case being weak on me. But, I can see how you would be worried about being perceived as scum, as I think that is the whole point of you post here.
What is retcon?
Yes, I have been using smaller words in order to help some readers.
Once again, I was pointing out the portions of his argument about the case being weak on me. I can repost them, but others can scroll up or page over to see: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 4#p3017844
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@Dana- Read my iso. What is it I'm looking for?
Did some re-reading:
Dana- Annoying as shit, but probably town. Is at least putting forth effort, even if misguided.
Rag- town unless Dana flips, which would be sweet, but not likely.
Ani- maxscum replaced by Magua, who currently reads pretty town.
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Magua wrote:
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PeregrineV wrote:GAIZ 3 BODIEES IS TOWN
Who is scum?
Also, when you just call the person you're currently voting town, it is customary to vote someone else. Such as a person you believe to be scum.
Also also, I pre-emptively admit that my quote of you may not be exact.
No problem, I fixed the quote for you. Since your quoting me, I think that's ok.
Got 8 more people to read. If I don't find anything in there, I'm doing it wrong and will start over.
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OK- CDB reread:
Scummiest so far. 80% of posts are one-liners. Mostly comments. Some questions.
Total scum found in 500 posts: Me.
Case provided on, for, to or about me: 0
EP re-read:
Some townish reads, some scummish reads. Not result would be null, but going to put on the thin line just on the town side.
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PeregrineV wrote:OK- CDB reread:
Scummiest so far. 80% of posts are one-liners. Mostly comments. Some questions.
Total scum found in 500 posts: Me.
Case provided on, for, to or about me: 0
EP re-read:
Some townish reads, some scummish reads.Notresult would be null, but going to put on the thin line just on the town side.
Ongoing fav lynch: Mastermind of Sin
EBWOP:
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ChannelDelibird wrote:PeregrineV wrote:80% of posts are one-liners.
Succinctness is pro-town.
Yes.
ChannelDelibird wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:Mostly comments. Some questions.
This is fairly meaningless. Discuss more why this is bad.
Looks like your trying to look like you're doing something without doing anything.
ChannelDelibird wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:Total scum found in 500 posts: Me.
I've expressed suspicion of Ant more than once and also said I'd happily lynch EP.
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ChannelDelibird wrote:OK, I'm rereading the whole game and writing this post as I go through. Let's start with explaining why I'm voting for Peregrine at the moment:
This post is why my vote moved there immediately. Peregrine declined to comment on the RC/Thor early game interaction which IMO was the first definable thing that happened in the game and instead made a spampost with a funny image.
Is was funny wasn't it?
ChannelDelibird wrote:He also said "Let's hear everyone else's cases", which struck me as a little weird, seeing as his case was a funny image - seemed like he was encouraging more random spam rather than getting on with the game.
So in effect I was asking them to restate thier cases and take down the randomness level but making them think about thier votes, and you decided that I was encouraging more random spam? So you ignored the actual words I wrote? Or did you merely apply new meaning to the existing words?
ChannelDelibird wrote:
I found it interesting, so I moved my vote to him. I didn't make any further comment because I wanted to see if/how he/others would react to it.
This post by Ant was the first interesting reaction I got, once I "bumped" my vote. This is the sort of post that I've let scum get away with before - in which I vote or announce suspicion on someone without elaboration and a scum goes "yeah, I had a funny feeling too" or similar to try and look like they're sharing my thought process. This is a big part of why I think Ant is likely scum.
Peregrine then makes this post after a few pages away. He makes a point of commenting only on the fact that I am voting for him and also some references to the early page spam shenangians. Nothing else.
Meanwhile, back in the Bird-Cave, CDB composes his own nefarious post in this time frame, and posts it!Nothing else.
Inside joke.ChannelDelibird wrote:
Then he jumps on the Thor wagon when a couple of other people do. Exploitative.
ChannelDelibird wrote:
Then all of a sudden he doesn't want Thor wagoned. It's not as if anything in between his vote and unvote actually came from Thor, or had any reasons from anyone as to why he shouldn't be being wagoned after all.
Yes, Thor was at L-1, and one more vote would lynch him. I didn't actually want him lynched, as he seems pretty townish. So why keep him at L-1 and make it easy for someone to do? And you agree with me,but, it's still part of your arguement about why I'm scum?
ChannelDelibird wrote:
Meanwhile, Ant no longer seems to have found Peregrine suspicious after all.
This is a really interesting post from Ant, in that itlookslike he's saying something, but he's actually not saying anything at all. He's trying to look as if he has a reaction to the fake daykill without actually giving an opinion.
In this post,, Ant makes excuses for lurkers (which he can potentially refer to later when a lurking scumbuddy comes up for suspicion). His Peregrine vote is quite interesting and I'm not sure what to make of it either way (reluctant to draw any direct connections between anyone before we get a scumflip, anyway).
Ant does get town points for giving opinions on everyone unsolicited. Gives me pause.
I've already pointed out why I think the second part of this Peregrine post is scummy, but the first part of it is, too. See Peregrine straddle the fence with expert precision refusing to make a stand either side of the RC/dana debate.
So what I'm hearing is that in your opinion my post was anti-town and mafia-team inspired because I refused to take either Danakillsu or ReaperCharlie's side in a debate they were having?
Well, since it's your opinion, you can't really be wrong, now can you? However, I might point out your opinion has it's roots in faulty reasoning. People are allowed to debate without my interjecting anything. They are allowed to do this anytime. I am allowed to interject, if I so desire. I can do this at any time. I can interject, and state my feelings, thoughts, opinions, etc. They can be my own and not mirror one of the debaters. Or they can wholly or partially match the side of one of the debaters.
For the record, my stand on that debate is the same as CDB. Please provide the link so we both know where we both stand.
ChannelDelibird wrote:
This ReaperCharlie post stood out weirdly on reread. He complains that I didn't comment on dana's iso read and subsequent vote on Peregrine then uses it as evidence that dana and I are scumbuddies. He also says that "only stupid town or scum confirm vote" which is such an incredible generalisation (I mean, blatantly false). Yes, he has the audacity to callmea "tunneling townie". This is RC who's been going after dana all game on pretty much no reasoning.
Back to Peregrine, and this post shows him simply dimissing a reasoned explanation from me about the psychology of scum players and why I thought one of his posts was worded in a way more likely to come from scum than town as "opinion". He also says he wants to avoid "post wars", which appears to mean "having any kind of discussion with the people who are voting for me at all".
I believe the post shows that I am pointing out that you are expressing opinions and expect us, the readers, to take them as fact. You do it again in the sentence above. You are the only person voting me, and it took you 3 weeks and 20 pages to put up a case, half of which is your suspicions of other players, and you would like "discussion" on it?
OK. Here it is.
I see your opinion, and dismiss it entirely since I know my own alignment.
ChannelDelibird wrote:tl;dr:Peregrine is scum. Everything Ant has done makes me think he's scum apart from this post which came out of nowhere to give an opinion on everyone and now makes me really unsure. RC is on my radar now.
So far, Ant and RC haven't stood out as particularly scummy, but I haven't finished my re-read of them yet.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Spoiler: Post under discussion
I won't wall it again, as that will make it too big, but I'll address some of it.
Thor vote: There were three on him, I made a fourth. No big deal. But within 6 posts ooba and RC voted him to L-1. So I unvoted.
But, I do see you trying to call me out for voting him and then for unvoting him. In my opinion, you can't have it both ways.
And the only person meant to get the joke was Thor. But now, everyone can share in it.
Dana/RC: I already had suspicions about RC, but his case on dana I felt had some pretty good points. However, those good points mitigated the argument, so I did not buy fully into it. I had no problem letting the debate continue and making a decision based on more information. In my opinion, using the most information possible helps to make a better decision.
Opinions: Yes, but wanting me to discuss your opinions I will do so based on the knowledge I have. Of course, others are free to form an opinion based on your opinions, but I just wanted to point out that in any discussion with me about me, I will weigh my facts more heavily against your opinion.
And didn't intend to misrepresent, I used the first sentence as the basis of your thread. I apologize if you meant it only as a starting point.
Getting under your skin: Now you know why Thor joined.
My main point is if you want me to discuss your case on me, I will accept your opinions as opinions, but probably won't agree with them. Since, you, know, it's actually about me and I know why I didn the things I did. But, as I said, others may put more stock into them, so please continue. Your posts are clear and I think I understand what you are trying to say, but just disagree with parts of it.
Don't worry, your posts are perfectly accpetable game wise- I see no dickishness at all.
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MarchHare re-read:
Seems to be helpful. But also seems mostly reaction-based posting. Null for now, slight scummy. Also last post 3 days ago.
Mastermind of Sin:
Seemed to be lurking with little orginal content, but later posts contribute more thought. Null for now, slightly town.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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MikeBurnFire reread:
Seems sincerely town, but a better read on him will depend on Dana/Ooba re-read and re-re-reread.
Note: Has dana and ooba as scum.
ooba reread:
Mostly town. Seems involved in the conversation and in results.
Note: has dana and MikeBurnFire as town.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Last re-reads are
Rag- first 38 posts are one-liners or individual interaction respones. More fully developed posts don't arrive until 38. Then there are a few and it trickles back down. Null to slight scummy.
ReaperCharlie- Big push for an alliance, but it's currently made up of 2. Slight town for now.
Thor- Seems town, but for Thor there is a bit less interaction than I normally expect from him. That takes him from a hard town to soft town. And total Thor beard intimidation tactics? Current count= 0. Even more odd. Going down to null, with quick potential to move either way.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Unofficial vote count, deadline in about 8 hours.
danakillsu (4): PeregrineV, mikeburnfire, ReaperCharlie, Mastermind of Sin
ReaperCharlie (1): MarchHare
mikeburnfire (1): danakillsu
Energetic Penguin (5): Magua, Thor665, Ragnarokio, ooba, ChannelDelibird
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@Ooba- it will probably be EP. I think he got bored because he's VT, but that's the strongest thing going for him right now.
Dana's posts actually give a strong town indication to me right now.
Deadline is 10:59 pm Central (11:59pm EST), which is just under 8 hours from now.
I think we can get a MoS lynch if we try super hard.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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@Thor- I like the investigative questions. However, how about alittlelot of opinion on the game, players, actions, etc?
@Magua- exactly and exactly.
Vote: ooba
I would really like an in depth explanation of your confusion, like it's your own private diary. Please.
@Mikeburnfire
In your post 626 Dana is one of your three biggest suspects, yet you then state:
mikeburnfire wrote:Confusion is a scumtell? Since when? Ooba believed RC to be scum, and he wasn't, so now he's thrown off. Seems simple to me.
Ant wrote:Although, it is possible that Peregrine could be scum while dana is town, but I find that less likely of an option.
Really? I find it to be entirely possible. It would explain that why, near the end of the day when there was two strong townie wagons, he would throw his vote elsewhere. Perhaps on his scummate.
Can you please explain in deep detail why Dana and Ep were both strong townie wagons? What does that mean? That both are town? Or that there is a lot of town members on both wagons?
You outscummed ooba with this. I eagerly await a clear explanation.
Unvote.
Vote: Mikeburnfire
FoS: ooba(I still want to hear alll about the confusion)
@Rag- what are you town/scum reads? And why?
@EmpKing- Why going back to Rag? You can say they were scummy day1, but since your replacing in gives you a "fresh" prespective, can you be specific?I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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In the scenario described, we are speculating that dana is town, and Peregrine is scum. Since the wagons on EP and dana were strong at the end of day 1, a scum would not bother getting involved and throw his vote elsewhere.mikeburnfire wrote:
Can you please explain in deep detail why Dana and Ep were both strong townie wagons? What does that mean? That both are town? Or that there is a lot of town members on both wagons?
Well, in post 626, you had Dana listed as one of your "biggest suspects". Please walk me through the transition from "biggest suspect" to "townie" from post 626 to 629. It honestly seems like a bad slip on your part, because leaving off the word townie and your post makes more sense. But since you included the word, it has raised flags with me.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Thor665 wrote:PeregrineV wrote:@Thor- I like the investigative questions. However, how about alittlelot of opinion on the game, players, actions, etc?
You're saying I haven't been doing this, or you want a recap, or what? I haven't been fond of wallposting for quite a while now.
I'm ok with walls. I'd like to hear your thoughts on current game events, the latest lynch and NK, and your reads on the players, and kind of what influences those reads.
Have you already been doing this? I know you were out for a bit, but with a new day=fresh hunting time!
Dana wrote:Ugh. I can't be on the same wagon as PeregrineV.
@CDB- I'm going for a fuller RC review later on, just want to see how your is coming.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Thor665 wrote:@Pere, here's my recap of the lynch, the nightkill, and what's going on today. ::deep breath::
EP is dead, he was town, probably at least one player on that wagon is scum and I'm betting Rag.
ReaperCharlie is dead, he was town, I tend to suspect he was killed more for general town goodness than a particular pushed case though might reappraise that after a few more flips.
I am wondering why you're not voting Rag.
Anything else?
Ok, the more.
Reads on all remaining living players, and what actions or words helped to develop that read.
The better question is, why are you voting Rag? You used "probably" and "betting" to pick Rag out of the lineup. Can you give a case I can get behind before asking me to vote him?I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Ant_to_the_max wrote:
ReaperCharlie wrote:Also, once dana flips we get that much more info out of him than if he were left alive. Conversely, if EP flips, we get next to nothing, and scummy-dana is still alive, whether or not he's actually SCUM (which I believe he is). Consider that in your calculations of who to lynch, ooba.
You have a point, but I see things from the opposite. If he flips town, I think MoS and ooba should be looked into tomorrow. I know it is probably to late for wagons on them and out of dana and EP I will vote dana. Honestly I get the same feel from EP as I did last game.
Looking into the ReaperCharlie NK. First suspect would be MoS, since RC was voting him, but that seems like a frame job. So, looking into it more, would like Ant to elaborate on this statement about further examination of MoS and ooba today, becuase it hasn't happened yet.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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@ooba- Can you walk me through how you went from here (Reinforced here and here) to here?
@Magua- Mine are the same as yours for now. As I keep reading and playing, it'll most likely change.
@Rag- Any luck with this?
Rag wrote:Most of the other people in the game are null, with one or two raising some minor suspicions that I intend to look further into so as to form a solid opinion.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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ooba wrote:I scumhunt and think about any game with regard to scum teams and who can be possible scum with other people. It usually is random on D1 without seeing a single flip. However a second re-read post any flip helps tremendously.
Case in point: A game where I was attacked for a total 180 in reads from D1 to D2 after flips.
I actually get the flip part.
It's just that your scum-town list is almost inverted from mine. Since I don't claim to be the greatest mafia player, that's not a bad thing, but it just bugs me and makes me want to get more information from you. Also, two of your "town" reads think you might be scum. The fact they do so and are still on the town side of your list also seems....unusual.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Mastermind of Sin wrote:PeregrineV wrote:Ant_to_the_max wrote:
ReaperCharlie wrote:Also, once dana flips we get that much more info out of him than if he were left alive. Conversely,if EP flips, we get next to nothing, and scummy-dana is still alive, whether or not he's actually SCUM (which I believe he is). Consider that in your calculations of who to lynch, ooba.
You have a point, but I see things from the opposite. Ifhe flips town, I think MoS and ooba should be looked into tomorrow. I know it is probably to late for wagons on them and out of dana and EP I will vote dana. Honestly I get the same feel from EP as I did last game.
Looking into the ReaperCharlie NK. First suspect would be MoS, since RC was voting him, but that seems like a frame job. So, looking into it more, would like Ant to elaborate on this statement about further examination of MoS and ooba today, becuase it hasn't happened yet.
...what? How can Ant examine me and ooba based on dana flipping town when dana is still alive?
I read it as he was talking about EP (who flipped town) (bolded above).I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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I don't like the way Ant switches back and forth between voting MoS and defending MoS. And MoS is sort of returning the favor, but neither is doing it directly. However, some of his posts seems like statments town would make. So still up in the air on him, but reading all his stuff and watching closely.
Mike gets much of his scumminess from his ooba defense, who I am having a hard time figuring out.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Mastermind of Sin wrote:Snipped because forum won't let m enest more than five quotes.
I read it as him talking about dana (based on the part bolded above). Regardless, Ant is still alive and can tell us what he meant by that statement, so I'm not really sure why we're arguing about it. Moreover, I'm not sure why Ant hasn't chimed in to correct one of us yet.
Dana is female, and EP is male.
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Ant_to_the_max wrote:PeregrineV wrote:
Looking into the ReaperCharlie NK. First suspect would be MoS, since RC was voting him, but that seems like a frame job. So, looking into it more, would like Ant to elaborate on this statement about further examination of MoS and ooba today, becuase it hasn't happened yet.
Yup. Spent a lot of time looking up past ooba games during the night. When I was trying to make a case on him, it ended up looking like it was just personal quirks that were bothering me. As for MoS, I was looking through his posts, and was kinda redirected from them to Magua.
PeregrineV wrote:Ant_to_the_max wrote:PerigrineV killed that chance. To many people were V/LA and he dragged RC along with his wagon swing. =/
For some reason I can't fathom, this statement bothers me. I mean, it does, then it doesn't, but then it does again.
How so? With you and RC, dana was down 2 people. I know I am not the best at trying to convince people to make quick last minute decisions on changing who they are voting =/
Just because I didn't think Dana was scum doesn't mean that I "killed the chance" to lynch him. There were 11 other players voting people, and I have no control over RC- only my own vote. So, it sounds accusatory, like I did have control over it.
Ant_to_the_max wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:I don't like the way Ant switches back and forth between voting MoS and defending MoS. And MoS is sort of returning the favor, but neither is doing it directly.
Hmm???
iirc MoS has gone from scum to null for me throughout this game and I don't recall ever "defending" him.
Let me see what I can dig up.
Ant_to_the_max wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:
Dana is female, and EP is male.
No, Dana is male as well according to his profile. I believe RC yelled at me a bit for mixing that up.
You are correct, I was wrong. For some reason early in the day while arguing with him, I got the impression he was a she.
Ant_to_the_max wrote:
Ant_to_the_max wrote:
ReaperCharlie wrote:
Also, once dana flips we get that much more info out of him than if he were left alive. Conversely, if EP flips, we get next to nothing, and scummy-dana is still alive, whether or not he's actually SCUM (which I believe he is). Consider that in your calculations of who to lynch, ooba.
You have a point, but I see things from the opposite. If he flips town, I think MoS and ooba should be looked into tomorrow. I know it is probably to late for wagons on them and out of dana and EP I will vote dana. Honestly I get the same feel from EP as I did last game.
The he is EP. Near the end of day MoS and ooba were my top two scum picks. Opposite part was on how EP was going to flip.
Oh hey! My opinion of RC NK would lead me to MoS/MBF/Magua. I have a hunch that I need to go and cross check on this so I'll just post this for now.
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VOTE: Magua
before I forget again.
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Unvote.
Vote: Ragnarokio
@Rag- if you are town, please hop in here and play, or replace out
@CDB- You seemed to have a lot to say day 1, and said you had more, but would like to hear more.
@MBF- Giving a reason for your vote helps to encourage trust for you among other players, as well as foster discussion.
Totally unofficial-
Ragnarokio (4): Thor665, danakillsu, Magua, PeregrineV
danakillsu (2): Mastermind of Sin, ooba
Magua (2): Ant_to_the_max, mikeburnfire
Ant_to_the_max (1): Ragnarokio
Mastermind of Sin (1): Empking
Not Voting (1) ChannelDelibird
Notes:
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
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As I wait for on more report to run:
Now:
Ragnarokio (4):Thor665,danakillsu,Magua, PeregrineV
danakillsu (2): Mastermind of Sin, ooba
Magua (2): Ant_to_the_max, mikeburnfire
Ant_to_the_max (1): Ragnarokio
Mastermind of Sin (1): Empking
Not Voting (1) ChannelDelibird
Then:
Energetic Penguin (7):Magua,Thor665, Ragnarokio, ooba, ChannelDelibird,danakillsu, Ant_to_the_max
danakillsu (2): mikeburnfire, Mastermind of Sin,
Mastermind of Sin (2): PeregrineV, ReaperCharlie
ReaperCharlie (1): MarchHare
Notes:
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is Thursday May 12 at 11:59 PM (EST)
Energetic Penguin: Lester Patel (Vanilla Townie) Lynched Day 1.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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@ooba- I did develop a town read on dana day one base don attitude, reponses and activity. But the activity level seems to have dropped since then.
@EmpKing- thanks. Can we have more of you?
Unvote.
Vote: Dana
FoS: Rag
Yes, with four days, I would be willing to switch to Rag if no one better shows.
Re: Magua scumminess- Somehow, when I play games this size, the scum usually falls into three spots in my reads. One will read scummy, one will be nullish, and the last will almost always seem town to me until they flip mafia. I orginally had Thor in that spot but fully accept that it could be Magua.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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