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Mastermind of Sin wrote:ooba wrote:
- Ant goes into town list because I don't see scum doing a stupid hammer like that ..
I don't get this. It was a deadline hammer and done without a lot of fanfare. At the time Ant put the hammer down, it seemed like most people in the game were either voting dana/EP or they were just waiting for deadline to come. There wasn't a lot going on, so I could totally see scum waiting around to make the hammer. I don't necessarily think Ant is scum right now, but my point is that I don't see how it's a town tell. At best it's probably a null tell unless I see some other indications from Ant that link him to that lynch in one way or another.
#Unvote- I dfon't like this soft town-tell bashing.
Vote: MOSPlus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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mikeburnfire wrote:
Empking wrote:Mastermind of Sin wrote:ooba wrote:
- Ant goes into town list because I don't see scum doing a stupid hammer like that ..
I don't get this. It was a deadline hammer and done without a lot of fanfare. At the time Ant put the hammer down, it seemed like most people in the game were either voting dana/EP or they were just waiting for deadline to come. There wasn't a lot going on, so I could totally see scum waiting around to make the hammer. I don't necessarily think Ant is scum right now, but my point is that I don't see how it's a town tell. At best it's probably a null tell unless I see some other indications from Ant that link him to that lynch in one way or another.
#Unvote- I dfon't like this soft town-tell bashing.
Vote: MOS
You'll have to explain yourself here. What MoS said seems logical to me.
It might be logical but why did he say it? What purpose does it serve but to spread disunity?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Mastermind of Sin wrote:
Empking wrote:PerigrineV:
Town
Magua
Channeldelibird
Ant_to_the_max
Thor665
Scum
Ragnarokio
Mastermind of Sin*
danakillsu
Why do I have the honor of being starred? Can you expand on your reads somewhat, please? I'm especially interested in your town list, actually.
The star was because you were prodded. My town list is based on liking their logic and reads and my faith in them being genuine.
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My top suspects for scum are Ant_to_the_max, ooba, Perigrine, and Empking, in roughly that order. For Empking in particular, I have this gut feeling that he's writing me off as town so he can say "I told you so" when I'm lynched, and I find that to be scummy for reasons I can't quite elucidate.
It'd bev that I was looking for towncred surely? (Though TBH anything that looks like foreknowledge of a flip is not looked well upon in the current meta.)
Yeah MOS isn't going anywhere and I'd like some breathing room with regards to claims and the like.
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Mastermind of Sin wrote:Well, be quick about it. Deadline is Thursday.
Empking, why dana? I know why I want to lynch him, but your vote just seems opportunistic.
I put him as a scum read previously.
Care to give us some reasoning?
Dana simply isn't scumhunting. I alsop dislike the way the wagon moved from Dana previously.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Rag wrote:
I have a handful of miscellaneous town reads that I don't see the point in sharing right now.
Most of the other people in the game are null, with one or two raising some minor suspicions that I intend to look further into so as to form a solid opinion.
I just looked through Rag's and Dana's recent posts in ISO (I've just realized that they've got aroundf the same number of votes.). This post caught my eye, it really is the pinacle of not scum hunting.
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Thor665 wrote:
But, to be frank, I see nothing in the Rag case that isn't equally applicable to you. Yet you think she's a good lynch. Bleh.
Do you think I domn't have any town reads and only a pitiful amount of scumreads? That's why I'm voting her.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Thor665 wrote:Your only reason for voting her is lack of reads advanced?
Mind rephrasing that?
You think that should make you look better?
It should make me look bad in a dfifferent way.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Thor665 wrote:Empking wrote:Empking wrote:Thor665 wrote:Your only reason for voting her is lack of reads advanced?
Mind rephrasing that?
You pointed out that the way she was different is that she wasn't presenting many scum reads and also no town reads.
Ergo - your only reason voting her is lack of reads advanced?
It looked like she had no reads at all not even that she was keeping them secret.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Thor665 wrote:
@Emp - So...yes, then. yeah, you're still scummy for that. How do you feel about her scumminess considering the following two things.
1. How she has now presented a wall of her reads?
2. How she, reasonably accurately I feel, has pointed out that I, and probably some others, haven't been constant and crystal clear in expressing our reads.
It doesn't change mind because of course scum would fix the problem they were being called out for.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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mikeburnfire wrote:Empking wrote:Magua and Ant are equally good town reads to my mind.
*Shrug*
So which one are you going to vote for? Or would you prefer to forfeit the lynch today?
If it gets really close to deadline then I'll hammer whomever.
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Mastermind of Sin wrote:I don't necessarily think he should reveal his result just yet...unless you think he was given themain characteras a safeclaim...
1. Vi's modding guide says to choose the false claims at random. Its possible though unlikely.
2. I expectb he'll be dead tonight. This might be his last chance.
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ooba wrote:
5 hours from the time of Reck's last post right?Empking wrote:ooba wrote:Ant_to_the_max wrote:Eta till deadline?
at work and I need to time it out
Around 2 hours, 45 min ..
*Giggle*
We've got more than five hours.
Ooba: Staying on MOS? Why?
*Giggle* Five hours from this post.
Staying on MOS .. It's actually the more townier of the wagons .. MBF, Per .. It also has Magua who cannot be scum with dana so it's all cool ..
You're confirmed town anyway. Don't need to worry about any perceive inconsistincies on your part.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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mikeburnfire wrote:I have seen a game where they did not (Mini 336). Once flavor was exposed, mafia were killed.
Did you really point to a game 700 games ago? I'd be fine with a flavour claim, truth be told, but I'd be honestly shocked if they got tripped up based on it.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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mikeburnfire wrote:Empking wrote:mikeburnfire wrote:I have seen a game where they did not (Mini 336). Once flavor was exposed, mafia were killed.
Did you really point to a game 700 games ago?
Look, I don't play Mafia very often anymore, okay?
To be honest I'm impressed that you were able to do so.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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PeregrineV wrote:No offense to your neighbor, but Ant a)could have been lying about being a cop or investigating ooba or b)hit a babyface.
A vig still shouldn't kill them. Especially with someone who was as generally town as Ooba.
or decided to kill ReaperCharlie along with the Mafia,
I doubt there'd only be one kill flavour in that case.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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PeregrineV wrote:
Don't mean to be a stickler here MBF, but why did you assassinate on night1 and kill on night2?
He didn't.
My vote is going to go onto one of MBF and Rag, probably Rag because though MBF's kills look like an anti-town force I'm having a hard time seeing why he'd just claim like this. I'd like a massclaim starting with Rag (also has MOS claimed past the one-shot neighbourizer thing?)Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Thor665 wrote:PeregrineV wrote:mikeburnfire wrote:Guys, I killedReaperCharlie and Magua.
Don't mean to be a stickler here MBF, butwhy did you assassinate on night1 and kill on night2?
Energetic Penguin: Lester Patel (Vanilla Townie) Lynched Day 1.
ReaperCharlie: "Big" Mike Tucker(Vanilla Townie)assassinatedNight 1.
danakillsu: Stavros Demetrios (Mafia Roleblocker) Lynched Day 2
Magua: General Beckman (Vanilla Townie),assassinatedNight 2
oboe: Anna Wu (Vanilla Townie), killed Night 2
In this game, Thor is the only one who reads, it is a proven.
I saw that before you. I just didn't want to spell it out.
@Empking - you want to kill MBF or Rag? Do you think they're scum together or that they're equally likely one of the alternate scum team potentials, or what?
I don't think they're scum together but I don't think this is an example of a two town neighbourhood. I fail to see how the list is random considering Rag has always been my top suspect today and MBF claimed a kill on RC.
Second question - what do you think of my reasoning that MBF is town?
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Thor665 wrote:Empking wrote:I don't think they're scum together but I don't think this is an example of a two town neighbourhood.
Shouldn't that make our top two Rag/MoS? As the neighborizers they're the suspect ones, yeah?
Wow, somebody hasn't been reading the thread.
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Thor665 wrote:Empking wrote:Thor665 wrote:Empking wrote:I don't think they're scum together but I don't think this is an example of a two town neighbourhood.
Shouldn't that make our top two Rag/MoS? As the neighborizers they're the suspect ones, yeah?
Wow, somebody hasn't been reading the thread.
MBF was neighbourized by Rag, he has always beenneighbourswith Rag.
Actually I thought you were implying both neighborizers couldn't be town.
But there aren't two neighbourizers. At least that's what MBF said.
(Note to self: If Rag turns out to be a neighbourizer then she and Thor are 100% scum buddies)
So you're going with both players in that particular neighborhood can't be town? ...why?
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Thor665 wrote:Empking wrote:But there aren't two neighbourizers. At least that's what MBF said.
(Note to self: If Rag turns out to be a neighbourizer then she and Thor are 100% scum buddies)
Touche' I haven't been reading either.
Though if she turns out to be a neighborizer than she couldn't have been always neighbors with MBF and he'd be more likely scum with her than I - derpy doo.
Why do you think neighbors is too much power?
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Thor665 wrote:@Empking
Wht do you think makes more sense balance wise;
A SK with a neighbor of a town so he can...influence town somewhat?
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Scum with a neighborhood of a Vig so they can...influence a second kill?
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Vig and town so they can...not trust each other and maybe target kills better?
The most overpowered one I see is Scum having an in with the Vig, not Vig having an in with town. What am I missing?
How do you define overpowered?
We have a Cop - That's one of the most power roles.
I believe we have a one-shot neighbourizer.
We have something that blocked a kill.
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PeregrineV wrote:Empking wrote:Thor665 wrote:@Empking
Wht do you think makes more sense balance wise;
A SK with a neighbor of a town so he can...influence town somewhat?
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Scum with a neighborhood of a Vig so they can...influence a second kill?
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Vig and town so they can...not trust each other and maybe target kills better?
The most overpowered one I see is Scum having an in with the Vig, not Vig having an in with town. What am I missing?
How do you define overpowered?
We have a Cop - That's one of the most power roles.
I believe we have a one-shot neighbourizer.
We have something that blocked a kill.
A Vig plus town neighbour is clearly overpowered.
No possibility that MBF/Rag is the last of the scumteam using this as their claim?
That seems crazy. If its gets to LyLo then I might have to look at that again but it looks crazy.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Thor665 wrote:@Emp - Why do you believe MoS as town neighborizer?
1. His claim is truthful but he put more effort than scum would in delivering the identity of his role.
2. One-Shot Neighbourizer is a Mafia or Town power. Why would MOS get the mafia's RB killed when there was already an outted Cop? MOS should've rolled over and died in that case.
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