Team Mafia: White Flag Mafia

InflatablePie · Post Post #14 (isolation #0) » Wed May 11, 2011 8:49 am

/conform

InflatablePie · Post Post #28 (isolation #1) » Sun May 15, 2011 2:28 pm

Vote: mith

I'll never be able to do this again.

An iPie wagon is fine, too.

InflatablePie · Post Post #30 (isolation #2) » Sun May 15, 2011 2:52 pm

Llamarble wrote:Why did each of you choose this game?

Seemed the most interesting. Partly process of elimination, too: never played in a PYP, so I didn't think I'd be good at it; I'm tired of playing in Normals; I've played in enough dram games to last me a while. Finally, I've wanted to play in a Mountainous game since I first started playing mafia, so...

InflatablePie · Post Post #31 (isolation #3) » Sun May 15, 2011 3:01 pm

EBWOP: I'm not going to claim my team. dealwithitdog.jpg

InflatablePie · Post Post #41 (isolation #4) » Sun May 15, 2011 5:05 pm

Equinox wrote:People on the mith wagon: Do you disagree with me and Thor665? Who what when where and why?

Who: Me.
What: Wagon.
When: Now.
Where: Here.
Why: Self-explanatory.

Equinox wrote:
Mod: Can we get a list of nonvoters, please? Thanks!

+1

Equinox wrote:Are people ignoring the InflatablePie wagon because he's scum?

I'm sorry, what was that? I was too busy ignoring you.

Equinox wrote:We can run after SocioPath later when we're through with inflating the pie.

Most people would say "deflating", but since I'm Inflatable, not necessarily Inflated, that's incorrect. +A million brownie points for this choice of words.

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@mith: Why don't you have a vote down? Opinion on your wagon? What's the "M word"?
@Klazam: Why not a vote of disrespect?
@iPie: Why so many questions?

InflatablePie · Post Post #42 (isolation #5) » Sun May 15, 2011 5:07 pm

InflatablePie wrote:@iPie: Why so many questions?

I don't know. I think because if I act all casual towards my wagon and ask questions that look like I'm scumhunting, they won't find out I'm scum. Maybe if Equinox would quit bussing so damn early I wouldn't have to resort to using such methods.

InflatablePie · Post Post #58 (isolation #6) » Sun May 15, 2011 5:48 pm

Klazam wrote:BUT, I think sarcasm is a valid scumtell.

Wow, that's completely valid and sane reasoning.

Equinox wrote:How do I say this... It wasn't so much InflatablePie's preference for scum games -- as I wasn't aware of that -- but more something I picked up that led me and my team to conclude he may be scum in this game.

Ahh. One of your team members knows me? Or am I reading this wrong? DH is right - I do have a slight preference for scum. However, I'm obligated to mention that you are mistaken.

Regardless.

Unvote, Vote: InflatablePie

L-1.

Your move, Equinox.

InflatablePie · Post Post #59 (isolation #7) » Sun May 15, 2011 5:49 pm

I'm going to bed. On the offchance I am lynched:

Equinox is town.
Klazam is scum.
LlamaFluff is probscum.
DH is probtown.

InflatablePie · Post Post #64 (isolation #8) » Sun May 15, 2011 5:55 pm

I lied. Refreshed after checking Facebook.

If you strongly believe me to be scum, Equi, why switch off now?

PEdit: lol Klazam's trying to push a hammer on me after I call him scum, that's cute.

InflatablePie · Post Post #67 (isolation #9) » Sun May 15, 2011 6:06 pm

Not sure if I buy that just yet, Equi.

Unvote, Vote: Klazam

Actually off to bed now.

InflatablePie · Post Post #95 (isolation #10) » Mon May 16, 2011 7:42 am

I don't even know what this scumtell could be... It makes me a little happy inside, but at the same time I feel really left out. :(

@mith:

why do you not have a vote down? And what's the M word that you mentioned in your first post? ANSWER MEEEEEEEEEE

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Alrighty, time for some good ol' non-flips VCA.

Spoiler: Vote Counts

Let's concentrate on the votes on my wagon for now.

InflatablePie (6): Equinox, Thor, Llamarble, Klazam, DH, IP

Taking myself off. Since I'm only town by my own POV, think about this: whether I'm town or scum, there's a high chance for at least ONE scum member to be on my wagon, if not multiple.
Equinox, Thor, Llamarble, Klazam, DH

Equinox is probably town. His aggressive playstyle combined with his unwillingness to let such an early hammer go through has town motivation behind it.
Thor, Llamarble, Klazam, DH

Llamarble is probably town because lolgamechoicemeta.
Thor, Klazam, DH

At least one of these three players is scum. Guaranteed.

DH's posts are odd. In the post where he votes me, he sort of slings a small bit of mud onto Equi by asking why he's concentrating on me but not the other people with strong scum games (which is implying I have a strong scum game and I really don't think I do btw :x). His next important posts says that Equi could be scum... yet he's still voting for me, and my wagon was a wagon pushed by Equi. He does mention later that this doesn't necessarily mean he thinks Equi is scum. So his statement is either obvious (because everyone

could be

scum) or he was just saying that to fall back on if there's an Equi wagon later.

Don't really have a read on Thor yet. We have similar reads (aside from me being scum of course); that's about all I've noticed from him.

As for Klazam... his scumtells are flawed, and his position on my wagon is even scummier. Sarcasm is not a scumtell, and self-voting is not a scumtell. Actually, considering the setup, it would be extremely risky for scum to place themselves at L-1, especially early on in the game (not trying to defend myself with WIFOM, I'd think this if it happened with someone else). And rather than concede that his sarcasm/self-voting scumtells may be wrong, he keeps defending them with subpar reasoning. But to be honest, after a re-read, I'm less inclined to believe he's scum. Possibly bad town? Yes. Scum? Maybe not.

Unvote, Vote: DemonHybrid

As for other players: I dislike LlamaFluff because of him defending me so hard. Combined with a gut scumread from the tone of his posts. mith is also a good vote, because we have tons of info to go on and he still doesn't have a vote down. Socio is most likely town on gutread alone. There is possibly one scum in the group of Sotty/DGB/Sevei by process of elimination, since I'm not extremely confident in both mith and LlamaFluff (although it's likely one of the two is indeed scum).

InflatablePie · Post Post #96 (isolation #11) » Mon May 16, 2011 7:44 am

EBWOP: DH also jumped ship on the mith RVS wagon when mine gained momentum and is now on the LlamaFluff wagon once Equi starts pushing for him, leaving mine when Equi jumps ship and some of the suspicion on me seems to drop.

InflatablePie · Post Post #100 (isolation #12) » Mon May 16, 2011 8:23 am

DH wrote:Don't like how this is an afterthought, for the record.

I skimmed my wall and realized I forgot to add this. It's not an afterthought.

DH wrote:Pie, I know you're smarter than this. Are you trying to fabricate stuff?

No, I think I'm right this time. This smells faintly of AtE, by the way.

DH wrote:I never posted any suspicion on Equinox.

Yes, you did. By asking why he's concentrating on one player who's doing something and not everyone else, it's a mix of pseudo-defending the one player in question, and trying to discredit the attacking player's argument and cast suspicion on them for doing such.

As for your other two points, stating the obvious is a scumtell (see: IIoA). Plus, I don't like your defense of "I meant to post this! it was a trap for Llama!" (by the way, I want to ask everyone to use full names so we don't get the two Llamas confuse)

I understand the mith wagon, even in your case, falls under RVS. However, it was your vote that made it a competing RVS wagon at 3 votes each, and when that one didn't gain, you jumped onto mine. Scummy.

InflatablePie · Post Post #101 (isolation #13) » Mon May 16, 2011 8:24 am

EBWOP:

DH wrote:Why? Do you really read Socio's motivation as scum-driven?

No, he's voting for him because he thinks Socio is town.

DH, I know you're smarter than this. Are you trying to fabricate stuff?

InflatablePie · Post Post #138 (isolation #14) » Mon May 16, 2011 2:42 pm

DH wrote:AtE? Why? By that logic, anyone who's accused other people of lying or implied such has used AtE. You just basically used a boilerplate term without even regarding the meaning of it.

You know me personally. You're my friend on FB and we've played offsite before multiple times. By saying "you're smarter than this", that's a form of appealing to my emotions. Of course, I should know you know better than to try that with me, but Occam's Razor is making my thoughts stop there.

DH wrote:I also questioned about 4 other people and I never posted suspicion on them.

You're not getting my point. It's not the questioning part, it's the "BUT LOOK AT ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE, AND YOU'RE SINGLING ONE PERSON OUT" part.

DH wrote:It fit the context and it definitely wasn't out of nowhere, so I don't get your claim of IIoA.

You said "everyone can be scum". That's like me going around saying "everyone can be town", or "people vote for other people", or "scum can talk at night". It's obvious and isn't really content.

DH wrote:I never said it was a trap for LlamaFluff and you completely misrepresented my statement on that.

Comment you're/I'm referring to:

It was supposed to be obvious and it's something Llama completely passed over.

The post in question, addressed to Llama:

I'm not denying that Equinox could be scum, however, it's weird that you believe that it's an Equinox-IP team due to Equinox's behavior, yet you won't vote for or mention IP and instead debunk the wagon. Why?

Considering context and your suspicion of Llama, the above comment certainly reads like you just defended your obvious statement with "IT WAS A TRAP!".

DH wrote:I didn't even read the amount of votes that mith had before I posted a vote on him.

I don't care. There was a VC posted shortly after your vote: you at least HAD to have seen that before changing your vote to me. Right after Klazam switched sides, too.

DH wrote:So, I'm guessing you don't find "Do you see any scum-motivation behind his posting, and if so, why?" as a valid question and I haven't the slightest as to why you think that. I think it's a very fair and valid question.

Except obviously he does, and that's why he's voting him. Seriously DH, that question was the epitome of active lurking. Or was at least very very stupid.

Question for you, DH. If you're not part of the scum on my wagon, then who is? Preferably in order of most likely to least likely, thanks.

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Thor665 wrote:Okay, DH can be town.

... I hate you.

Equi wrote:Oh, also, InflatablePie, I don't vote people I think are town. Dunno how you got that.

Oh, because I totally wasn't being sarcastic or anything...

InflatablePie · Post Post #141 (isolation #15) » Mon May 16, 2011 2:52 pm

Oi, something I want to point out to everyone. Whether you think I'm town or scum, there seems to be a lot of people that seem to be iffy on my lynch. A -lot-.

We should keep an eye on them.

InflatablePie · Post Post #147 (isolation #16) » Mon May 16, 2011 3:09 pm

Sotty7 wrote:I don't want you lynched Pie. I think you are likely town at this point.

Nice to know. I worded that statement the way I did because I know some people think I'm scum, and was addressing everyone, not just you.

Regardless of my alignment, however, the people fencesitting on me should be looked at - most likely, either they're scum waiting to jump on a townie wagon or scum waiting to have a fallback to bus their buddy, depending what your read of me is.

InflatablePie · Post Post #155 (isolation #17) » Mon May 16, 2011 5:39 pm

Unvote, Vote: DGB

I have more than one reason for this vote, aside from agreeing in seeing what Socio is. I won't be disclosing them, though.

mith, you've been browsing Coney Island often tonight. I hope you're making a post and explaining why you still haven't placed a vote down yet.

DH, don't think I'm letting you out of my sights either. Just diverting my attention. Although, to clarify, you don't suspect ANYONE on my wagon? Despite it being a L-2 RVS wagon? Is it impossible that there was scum on my wagon?

InflatablePie · Post Post #157 (isolation #18) » Mon May 16, 2011 5:44 pm

Klazam wrote:PEdit 2: LOL. IP doesnt like a person being voted for basically the same reason that IP was voted by equinox.

Yeah, yeah. Like Equi, I dunno if I can go into details either. Call it a policy lynch.

InflatablePie · Post Post #185 (isolation #19) » Tue May 17, 2011 6:45 am

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DemonHybrid

Meh.

InflatablePie · Post Post #192 (isolation #20) » Tue May 17, 2011 9:24 am

The only read I have on Llamarble is that he's town due to meta/choice reasons alone.

I'll look into his posts later tonight, maybe.

InflatablePie · Post Post #200 (isolation #21) » Tue May 17, 2011 5:37 pm

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DGB

More comfortable being on a wagon with Socio than mith.

Make up your damn minds, people.

Equi wrote:* = I read later that Thor665 voted SocioPath for his "/conform" post and not That Thing, which means what I said above no longer applies. That is still the thought process I had at the time.

You mean voted me, right? <_<

actual bunch of awesome content eventually when I feel like it and/or don't have plans most of the day for once

InflatablePie · Post Post #227 (isolation #22) » Wed May 18, 2011 9:09 am

Unvote, Vote: Sevei

I think I joined too many games at once, so I'm kind of burnt out mafia-wise and as such don't want to make a big post, but I probably should analyze this game anyways soooooo... time to force myself to do so.

This vote's good though.

InflatablePie · Post Post #229 (isolation #23) » Wed May 18, 2011 10:10 am

*cracks fingers*

Okay.

First, back to my early wagon analysis.

Equinox, Thor, Llamarble, Klazam, DH <- there is scum here. Guaranteed. Scum wouldn't pass up a RVS wagon, in fact, it'd be more likely than at later stages.

Equi is town for reasons already stated.

Thor has really fallen under the radar this game. Looking back at his ISO:

Thor665 wrote:
DemonHybrid wrote:Why mith? You hadn't mentioned a thing about him before this post other than "I want the hammer if there's a wagon", and that was during an apparent RVS for you. What changed?

Mith is scum
because he's bothering to take time to attack someone's town reads
while not actually attacking anything else.

Posted on May 16th, 3:52 PM Eastern. The only posts of mith prior to this were:

mith wrote:Hi all.

Why I am in this game. I would have requested this one whatever role my team was assigned in it; I'm town because we were assigned town.

Llmarble and Thor665: You claim to prefer being town - is there anything in your meta you can point to that confirms this in any way? (On a related and more general note, I think DGB is the only one in this game I have played with before, so I don't expect I will pay much attention to claims of meta unless they are backed up with linked evidence.)

(On a completely unrelated but important note: I refuse to use the M word when discussing this setup. It puts us in entirely the wrong mindset. I was winning Vanilla games when some of you were still in diapers. Probably. I don't know how old you are.)

...where I see no attacking of town reads.

mith wrote:Not much time (about to go crush some fifth graders at mini golf), so quickly...

Llamarble: It's a bit early for me to be looking at pairings, but I find it interesting that you asked a question which Thor665 was the first to answer, and you were able to find and provide better justification for his answer than for your own. Feels a bit staged somehow. What are your thoughts on the answers others have provided?

My mind says Llamafluff is raising good points against Equinox. Primarily:

1. Thinking it was 5 to lynch yet strongly encouraging others to join a wagon at L-2 without pointing this out. (Also, the respect-wagon got to 4 votes... one would think a town Equinox would mention that the opposing wagon was at L-1.)
2. His reaction to thinking InflatablePie had been hammered... not the reaction I would be expecting for someone who has strong (?) reasons for thinking IP is scum.

My gut, on the other hand, doesn't like LlamaFluff, and I need to figure out why.

...where I still don't see him attacking any townreads?

Either I'm completely blind or Thor has some explaining to do. Other than that, his posts don't really read anything to me. Not town, not scum, just null.

Klazam seems more town than scum. He's wrong on some things, like self-voting and sarcasm being scumtells, but I understand where he's coming from and it feels like he's actually trying to scumhunt. I don't want to lynch him.

DemonHybrid, while he's been able to defend himself against the points made against him, something still doesn't sit right with me. Not sure if it's be being tunnel-visioned or crazy, but I have a gut scumread on him at the least.

Llamarble. Like I said, for secret meta-ish reasons alone I think he's town. We played together in Multiple Personality Mafia a few months back when he was scum, and I can't tell a glaring difference between the two playstyles here after quick ISOs in both games. This doesn't condemn him as scum, however. I wouldn't be surprised if he's scum this game, but he hasn't done anything outright scummy from what I've read, so I don't want him lynched today.

In order of most likely scum on my wagon to least likely:
DH (just on gut alone)
Thor (may surpass DH pending explanation for the mith comment)
Llamarble (smack dab in the middle)
Klazam (nooby, not scummy)
Equinox (townie mctownswoman)

Let's look at the current VC now.

Llamarble (3): Sotty, LlamaFluff, Sevei
Socio (2): DGB, Klazam
DGB (2): Socio, Thor
DH (2): mith
Equinow (1): ChrisB
Sotty7 (1): Llamarble
Sevei (1): IP
Not Voting: DH, Equi

The voices in my head are telling me that there's scum on Llamarble right now. So let's continue my player analysis with those three.

Sotty... the voices are telling me he may be scum, but he's flown under the radar for me, much like Thor. He's also stuck on Llamarble since his third post (the more you know). Upon a quick ISO, he's actually trying to scumhunt. I disagree with his earlier attacks on Equi, but other than that he's put in effort and his posts read genuine.

Next up, LlamaFluff. His vote on Klazam is a bit stretchy, because Klazam calling nulltells scumtells is... a nulltell. Or at least newb-y. I get a funny vibe from his posts, but I don't see anything that stands out as scummy. Townread for now.

Finally, Sevei. Oh boy, Sevei. For one, she's fashionably late to the party so I only have two content posts to go off of. The fact that she's piggybacking Sotty isn't getting her townpoints, the simple fact that she voted Marble pinged my scumdar for some reason, and her own original points are stretching (notably announcing an L-3 vote after hammer discussion... how is this a scumtell?). Combined with the fact that I still get funny feelings from DGB, and she votes someone else but is all "I see how she's scummy BUT", I don't like her post. Something worth a note is that both her suspects had two votes on them before she voted Marble. Null-tell for now, but just a note.

Finally, the last 4 players. Willing to bet there's one scum on my wagon, one on Marble, and one in this group. Just a feeling.

Chris B gets a newbpass. Yes, seriously. Voting for the aggressive player is indicative enough, not even counting the join date. He may now be a mafia newb, but like Equi said, it's easy to pick out new-to-MS-scum regardless of prior experience. Are his reads off? I think so. Is his Equi/me scumteam theory crazy? Yes. Has he heard of Occam's Razor? Probably not. Is he town? Yeah, most likely.

The voices are telling me not to let DGB get away. Something about her just plain bugs me, I'm not sure if it's a playstyle thing or what. Looking back through her ISO, she's giving off lots of reads and suspicions but it just reads funny to me. Not to mention the fact that she seems sure every team has one scum game, as Socio pointed out. Would not mind a lynch of her. In addition, if Sevei flips scum, I want DGB strung up AQAP. I'd also like to note that the voices are saying that DGB dislikes bussing. So this post might prove useful later if she flips scum.

SocioPath. I agree with his DGB case and he makes a lot of good points. So far, he's been a bit lurky, though. Other than that, The Voices™ tell me he's town, and there's bigger fish to fry regardless. At the very least, he gets town points for the DGB case. It would be awesome if he'd be less Fate-esque cryptic-y and give some more reads though.

mith is an odd one. I've had my eye on him for not laying a vote down in his first few posts (and maybe the fact that he runs the site...). But he's posted content, nothing's stood out as scummy, looks like town scumhunting etc etc and The Voices™ say that he probably wouldn't pick a scum game as his first game back in however long it's been.

To sum up, I think there's one scum on my wagon, one scum on the Llamarble wagon and one scum in the remaining four.

Thor or DH is my pick for the scum on my wagon. Sevei is my choice for the scum on Marble, with the other two tied for second. DGB is my choice for the remaining scum.

If I am wrong about either scum being on my wagon OR if Thor and DH are town, then one (not both) of Sotty/Llama is scum and Sevei becomes town, moving the third scum to the group of mith/Socio/Chris B (roughly in that order). If Sevei or DGB flip scum, it heavily incriminates the other. That's about all I can think of.

So let's get to lynching, shall we?

InflatablePie · Post Post #231 (isolation #24) » Wed May 18, 2011 10:23 am

Okay, whatever. You knew what I meant. Can we have some other reads besides DGB? =/

InflatablePie · Post Post #233 (isolation #25) » Wed May 18, 2011 10:30 am

SocioPath wrote:
InflatablePie wrote:Can we have some other reads besides DGB? =/
Yes.
Done.

InflatablePie · Post Post #236 (isolation #26) » Wed May 18, 2011 11:06 am

Sevei wrote:As for the comment I made about Marble's L-3 announcement, I pointed it out because HIS pointing out an L-3 seemed like he was trying too hard to appear cautious town since there had just been a discussion about the voting threshold.

I know what you're saying. I don't find it a scumtell. You're stretching.

Sevei wrote:You say if I flip scum then you will be more concerned with DGB. What will your read on DGB when I flip town, or is your scum-read on her solely contingent on my alignment? Will you exonerate her when I flip town?

She hasn't offered thoughts on you yet, so I'm unsure. For now though, I'm suspicious of both of you and these suspicions will increase when one of you flips scum. They may decrease slighty if one of you flips town, but usually when one read of mine is wrong I completely reconsider all my reads anyways.

Sevei wrote:What do you think of Marble-DGB?

It's possible.

How about we strike a deal. You help me in lynching DGB. It gives you a better read on Marble and me a better read on you. If she flips scum, we lynch from her list of town/null reads and if she's town we look at her wagon for the scum that's bound to jump on. We both benefit from her flip reads-wise, so what do you say?

InflatablePie · Post Post #239 (isolation #27) » Wed May 18, 2011 11:55 am

Sotty7 wrote:Pie is probably right in that I have tunneled a little on Marble and Equi, I can accept that.

I said you've had your vote on Marble and I didn't like your attacks on Equi.

I never mentioned tunneling.

FoS: Sotty

Sotty/Sevei/{Thor/DH/DGB} team, anyone?

InflatablePie · Post Post #241 (isolation #28) » Wed May 18, 2011 12:08 pm

I was implying that you were the person on the wagon the longest. Not necessarily tunneling. Look at the other points; I said you're trying to scumhunt and your posts read genuine. I wouldn't say that if I thought you were tunneling, because that's not exactly great scumhunting if you just stick to one person.

You seem to have a guilty conscience.

InflatablePie · Post Post #243 (isolation #29) » Wed May 18, 2011 12:29 pm

I can see it being town vs town (despite my gut read of DH), but I'm having a hard time reading through it.

InflatablePie · Post Post #244 (isolation #30) » Wed May 18, 2011 12:32 pm

I've also noticed mith seems to be doing more commentary than anything, so I really don't know what to think of their exchange. :S

InflatablePie · Post Post #247 (isolation #31) » Wed May 18, 2011 2:09 pm

Chris B: Would it be possible to persuade you to switch to DGB?

Here, I'll even help:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: DGB

Join the Alliance Of Awesome with me, Socio and hopefully Sevei and we can knock out the scum one-by-one.

InflatablePie · Post Post #253 (isolation #32) » Wed May 18, 2011 2:54 pm

Alliance of Awesome is go! Welcome aboard, Equi and Sotty!

InflatablePie · Post Post #256 (isolation #33) » Wed May 18, 2011 5:21 pm

Thor665 wrote:That's a direct translation.

InflatablePie · Post Post #284 (isolation #34) » Thu May 19, 2011 9:55 am

===[] ?

Socio: Any thoughts on a Sevei/DGB team? Likely, unlikely...?

InflatablePie · Post Post #289 (isolation #35) » Fri May 20, 2011 6:43 am

The Voices™ say that the most likely scumteam at this point is Fluff/Sevei/Thor.

My logical side says that it's DGB/{Sotty or Sevei or mith (pick 2)} with a slight chance of DH-scum.

Just noting for later.

We need more votes on DGB regardless.

InflatablePie · Post Post #292 (isolation #36) » Fri May 20, 2011 7:53 am

Thor665 wrote:More votes? So is that calling for a lynch, or do you mean one vote for L-1?

And your voices are silly and not as smart as my voices.

Either one. Nothing DGB posts will change my mind, but if anything has anyone left to add...

AND MY VOICES ARE YELLING LOUDER THAN YOUR VOICES

InflatablePie · Post Post #294 (isolation #37) » Fri May 20, 2011 8:18 am

Oh damn, you caught on to my plan. Maybe I should stop being so obvscum D:

unvote vote iPie

InflatablePie · Post Post #295 (isolation #38) » Fri May 20, 2011 8:19 am

Also:

InflatablePie wrote:Either one. Nothing DGB posts will change my mind,
but if anything has anyone left to add...

Wow, I'm tired.

InflatablePie · Post Post #298 (isolation #39) » Fri May 20, 2011 6:13 pm

V/LA until ??? due to the Rapture.

(that was a joke)

I can see where the whole placeholder argument thingy is coming from (scum can use it to have a fallback to blatantly hop on a wagon and blah blah), but all I can do is say that while I certainly take The Voices™ into consideration, I'm going with my own suspicions here.

And if I was being too subtle, The Voices™ was another way to refer to my team's thoughts without saying "my team" over and over. Because that's boring.

InflatablePie · Post Post #351 (isolation #40) » Sun May 22, 2011 6:14 pm

mith wrote:A summary of why I think DGB is scum

Then vote her.

Content tomorrow during Mafia Catch-Up Day, barring hammer.

InflatablePie · Post Post #364 (isolation #41) » Mon May 23, 2011 5:04 am

The Voices™ are giving me a money-back guarantee in Sevei-scum, but are also saying that DGB is good at talking her way out of lynches as scum.

wat do

Thor665 wrote:
InflatablePie wrote:
mith wrote:A summary of why I think DGB is scum

Then vote her.

*blush while sad trombone music plays*

InflatablePie · Post Post #370 (isolation #42) » Mon May 23, 2011 10:33 am

Chris B wrote:Why should one of the rest of us hammer this lynch? In no more than a paragraph, please.

Because she's scum. The Voices™ say so, the fact that she hasn't been hammered yet after so much discussion and being at L-1 says so, some of my town reads are saying so (Socio, equi) and my gut says so.

This Day has gone far too long for my liking and I want blood. I don't care anymore, I am insanely bored with this game, and if she's not scum

you can lynch me tomorrow

. Sound good?

I will only vote Sevei if this wagon is dissolved and more votes on Sevei piling on. If there's even a chance at DGB being lynched, I want her to be.

Go ahead DGB, point out how anti-town I'm being by not posting any original thoughts but still pushing your lynch. I'm waiting.

InflatablePie · Post Post #372 (isolation #43) » Mon May 23, 2011 10:51 am

I completely missed that vote. I'm tired and spent so much time catching up in another game; I'm a bit burnt out. >_<

THANKS FOR BUSSING SEVEI

InflatablePie · Post Post #373 (isolation #44) » Mon May 23, 2011 10:51 am

EBWOP: *THANKS FOR BUSSING, SEVEI

commas help with reading comprehension

InflatablePie · Post Post #374 (isolation #45) » Mon May 23, 2011 10:52 am

Equinox wrote:
InflatablePie wrote:This Day has gone far too long for my liking and I want blood. I don't care anymore, I am insanely bored with this game, and if she's not scum
you can lynch me tomorrow
. Sound good?

What is this blasphemy coming from your mouth, InflatablePie?

I'm pulling the "I'M TOWN, LOOK AT ME I'M TOWN" card and the "Hey, he's pointing out his own scummy actions, he must be town!" card. Obviously.

InflatablePie · Post Post #376 (isolation #46) » Mon May 23, 2011 1:00 pm

Thor665 wrote:Sweet, so Pie is town then, right, he played the card.

I've even played the "Hey, he's pointing out that he's using the "Hey, he's pointing out his own scummy actions, he must be town!" card" card.

If

that

doesn't make me town, I don't know what does.

InflatablePie · Post Post #384 (isolation #47) » Thu May 26, 2011 2:26 pm

Spoiler: VCs with flips

Equinox is town due to VC 2/3/4.
Klazam is town due to VC 3/4/5/6.
Llamarble is most likely town due to VC 9/10/11.

All three of these reads are based on the assumption that scum wouldn't vote with their buddies on a small wagon.

Spoiler: VCs with flips + assumptions

In short, the pool of lynchees is narrowed down to: Thor, Sotty, mith, Sevei, ChrisB, LlamaFluff, and DH - just under a 30% chance if we randomly picked a player.

Less info and more analysis later, but I'd like to at least derail the Llamarble wagon before it starts. *looks at Equinox*

Vote: Sevei

for now.

InflatablePie · Post Post #385 (isolation #48) » Thu May 26, 2011 2:29 pm

For the record, if my math is correct, we have three mislynches. Which, if my math is correct, makes a 50% win at 5p LYLO. Nice odds.

Just a note.

InflatablePie · Post Post #410 (isolation #49) » Fri May 27, 2011 5:16 pm

Marble wrote:I don't find scum putting votes near each other unlikely in that situation.

I find it unlikely.

Fluff wrote:Somewhat more lax on Sevei than yesterday given the willingness to shift from marble->DGB to DGB->marble, which essentially means that whoever is with Sevei would need to be in a near allstar position for that to be an acceptable move.

True, but by the time she expresses such intentions, DGB was already at 6/7 votes. She says "she's not opposed to [voting DGB]" and waits to hammer. By the time she does hammer, it was practically inevitable at that point regardless. So her willingness to lynch/hammer doesn't mean much.

If she's not scum, it might be mith. I'll have to read Sotty and Thor's posts over again, but I think Sevei/mith-scum is more likely, possibly even Sotty. We most likely have one scum on the wagon and one scum off-wagon. So, as for off-wagon, DH would be my choice on gut, followed by Fluff due to process of elimination + townreads.

I kind of agree with whoever said we should look for pairings and lynch within the pairs (too lazy to check and too tired to figure this out myself right now). It could be our best bet given the fact that most everyone's scum/neutral reads can be narrowed down to about 6 from what I see (at least, mine can), and we only have 2 scum left.

InflatablePie · Post Post #411 (isolation #50) » Fri May 27, 2011 5:27 pm

Also, I may be wrong on Klazam-town according to The Voices™. I'll have to look into some things over the next few days...

InflatablePie · Post Post #417 (isolation #51) » Sat May 28, 2011 7:31 am

Probably repeating myself at parts here, but meh:

mith's been putting in enough effort to where my suspicions of him have vanished and he is not a viable lynch for today.

Llamarble is leaning town due to VCA, although he does kind of mimic me in 414, which reflexively pings my scumdar a bit.

"Yeah she was on DGB's wagon, but she was hammer and there wasn't a significant challenger-wagon, which has me leaning toward 1 on 1 off."

Buuut like I said in 384, look at VCAs 9/10/11. Assume scum!Marble. He was first on Thor, and DGB switched to Thor before hammer (thus during Marble's semi-V/LA). This makes Thor lean town, WIFOM aside, and why would DGB vote for Thor knowing her buddy was on the wagon? It'd put too much pressure on an already suspicious Marble. Not seeing it.

Thorscum isn't ruled out by this observation, but his early vote on the DGBwagon practically clears him.

In addition, Equi is NOT scum, guys. Scum wouldn't bus their buddy so hard in White Flag because it'd be way too much pressure on the following days. That's not to say they wouldn't bus, however...

Now, what I don't like about Klazam is that he either had his vote down or on Socio during all of D1. However, I honestly don't see why scum!Klazam would vote Socio with DGB being first on wagon and him being third. I can see why he's suspicious, but I still don't think he's a viable lynch for today due to the fact that I can't see two buddies BWing together that early.

Remember, if we ML three times, we're in 3:2 LYLO. So we have four lynches to hit scum - if you guys want to waste a lynch on Klazam to make sure he's not scum, fine. But it does lessen our already great chances at winning this game quickly, so leave him alone for today. Now, if we mislynch today we won't exactly qualify for a Best Town Performance Scummy so THEN we can lynch Klazam.

To sum up, ignoring mith/Marble/Thor/Equi/Klazam as viable lynches. Leaving out myself, obviously. ChrisB still gets the newbpass given the type of game we're in.

Sotty7
DemonHybrid
LLamaFluff
Sevei

Even if you throw Klazam back into the mix, we have 4 MLs to lynch 2 scum in this group of 5. In other words, this is practically auto-win. However:

DGB

(7):

Socio

,

Thor

,

IP

,

Equinox

, Sotty,

mith

, Sevei

We lynch Sevei first.

InflatablePie · Post Post #418 (isolation #52) » Sat May 28, 2011 7:34 am

EBWOP:
Now, what I don't like about Klazam is that he either didn't have his vote down or had it on Socio during all of D1.

Accidentally some words.

InflatablePie · Post Post #419 (isolation #53) » Sat May 28, 2011 7:47 am

Equinox wrote:Sorry, InflatablePie. I'm keeping my vote right here.

You know, there's a group of people that thought like you, Equinox, and they were called

Nazis

! They were close-minded, hate-filled individuals that just wanted everything their way - are you a

Nazi

, Equinox? ARE YOU A

NAZI

, EQUINOX?

BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANY

NAZIS

AROUND HERE!

...Good.

Now let me tell you about a group of people that didn't give up... they were called

Nazis

. They had a crazy plan, too; everybody thought they were nuts. But you know what... they got pretty far, didn't they? Because they were dedicated! And strong! A lot of people said they were crazy... but everybody says that we're crazy, so that gives us a better advantage, doesn't it?!

And don't you let anyone tell you that you can't do it.

So what are you, Equinox? A

nazi

?

OR A

NAZI

?!

InflatablePie · Post Post #422 (isolation #54) » Sat May 28, 2011 8:17 am

Thor665 wrote:@IP - you seem pretty sold on Sevei over DH, why is that? I'd love to have some brilliance shone upon me so that I too can be brilliant.

Because her hammer was just

terrible

. She basically stalls out to see if the Marblewagon catches on and seems to reluctantly bus her buddy when she does hammer.

I haven't looked into DH after my gutread/attack on him earlier in D1, but at this point we can lynch him afterwards if somehow Sevei flips town. I think as long as we lynch from that group of 4 (5) I posted in 417, it's auto-win (unless I'm somehow wrong on Thor/Marble, but I don't think I am).

InflatablePie · Post Post #432 (isolation #55) » Sat May 28, 2011 3:56 pm

Equinox wrote:
Unvote

I'm glad I could persuade you. :D

InflatablePie · Post Post #439 (isolation #56) » Mon May 30, 2011 1:45 am

Equinox wrote:Town: InflatablePie, Thor665, mith,
Sotty7
, Chris B

Not that I think Sotty7 is scummy (actually unsure of him at the moment), but could you elaborate on the townread whenever possible?

-----

Mith, ChrisB, myself, Thor, and Equinox seem to be very close to unanimous townreads from what I've been reading, so I think we can rule out all of us in the possible scumteams pairings.

(is it bad that I feel dirty for asking to be included in this group :<)

Which leaves us with 15 possible pairings from there:

Spoiler: Pairings

Which makes 10 if we take out Marble (doesn't seem to be unanimous, but I've explained why he's town)

Spoiler: Pairings 2

And a mere 6 minus Klazam, who I've also given reasons for being town:

Spoiler: Pairings 3

So feel free to analyze those possibilities on your own.

I'll analyze the possibilities of these six later/eventually/before end-of-day, so let's hold off on any hammer until I can post them, please? I may also analyze the Klazam possibilities, if only because he's a shaky read of mine.

InflatablePie · Post Post #440 (isolation #57) » Mon May 30, 2011 1:48 am

Oh:

Sevei (4): IP, Thor, Llamarble, Equinox
DH (2): mith, Sotty
Llamarble (1): Sevei
mith (1): LlamaFluff
Not Voting: DH, Klazam, ChrisB

Sevei is at L-2.

Gimme at least 48 hours to do some analyzing JUST IN CASE I'm wrong (as well as hear from ChrisB and Sotty who are on V/LA... and the other lurkers, Klazam included) and then we can hammer her.

InflatablePie · Post Post #442 (isolation #58) » Mon May 30, 2011 2:23 am

@Mod: you have Marble voting for two people. He should be voting for Sevei as of #414

:U

Fixed, thanks.

InflatablePie · Post Post #452 (isolation #59) » Tue May 31, 2011 8:15 am

LlamaFluff wrote:@mith - You should listen to Ythill more.

Anyways

I think the four lynch pool here is

mith

InflatablePie · Post Post #482 (isolation #60) » Tue May 31, 2011 5:05 pm

Equinox wrote:I know we're in White Flag and all, but the scum still have only 3 mislynches to burn through.

Four. It's 9:2 now - three mislynches just puts us at 3:2 LYLO.

I'm also way too lazy and unmotivated to look at possible groups like I said I would.

Just a friendly reminder that, as a town,

if we can narrow down possible scum to 5 or less people, we win

.

Sotty7
Klazam
mith
DemonHybrid
Llamarble
LLamaFluff
Sevei

^so if we can all agree on the two most likely town in this group (because the other players seem to be unanimous townreads) we can just chain-lynch from there.

Since I apparently can post this:

zoraster wrote:Rule Clarification: You may talk about completed games as you normally would (e.g. you may now talk about dram's completed game in the other game threads) in the game threads.

...here's another friendly reminder: Ythill, scum, was lynched D1 in dram's game.

Finally, one last friendly reminder that scum

cannot bus

in this current situation.

Marble is town (VCA), mith is town (read his ISOs 21/22 and tell me that doesn't come from town), Klazam is probtown (although debatable, apparently), let's just fucking lynch from Sevei/Fluff/DH/Sotty and we win.

k? k

InflatablePie · Post Post #492 (isolation #61) » Tue May 31, 2011 5:28 pm

Klazam wrote:For this,
vote mith

do you not read my posts

LlamaFluff wrote:mith is on the do lynch

:|

I would rather lynch Marble than mith if given the choice between the two, people. And that's saying something.

Equi: you mean knocked out as in those four are probtown, right? Making sure. <_<

InflatablePie · Post Post #494 (isolation #62) » Tue May 31, 2011 5:30 pm

LlamaFluff wrote:DH is on the dont lynch
mith is on the do lynch
marble is on the do lynch (VCA with one scum dead is usually bad for clearing people, narrowing down is good)

We're not throwing mith on the "do lynch" list.

That said, we can lynch from Sevei/Fluff/DH/Sotty and still throw one more person in there and STILL win. There's two scum left, we only need to lynch one, meaning once we narrow it down to 5 today (or 4 tomorrow, 3 the next day etc), we auto-win.

InflatablePie · Post Post #499 (isolation #63) » Tue May 31, 2011 5:37 pm

Now I'm having doubts about Sevei-scum because she basically just called the town's almost-unanimous-list-of-town-reads... scum.

I'm honestly not sure if scum would be so stupid as to say that.

LlamaFluff wrote:You have a
horrible
do lynch list. Sevei is on the borderline of being a fourth pick if that, DH is fairly solid town, the list is missing mith, missing marble... there is ONE name that should obviously be there. I would nearly rather pull names out of a hat then follow this list.

I'm not allowed to spell out the most obvious reason why mith is town.

Marble is also town. Try again.

PEdit: Your entire team can't see why mith is almost confirmed town? Wow.

InflatablePie · Post Post #500 (isolation #64) » Tue May 31, 2011 5:40 pm

As this day goes by, I'm becoming more willing to lynch Fluff today as opposed to tomorrow or afterwards.

InflatablePie · Post Post #505 (isolation #65) » Tue May 31, 2011 5:52 pm

LlamaFluff wrote:You are not "the entire town". Marble is no way in everyones "obviously town" list and is probably in the middle of the pack if you average everyone out.

I'll give you this. Meh.

I'm a bit biased though - my team/The Voices™ say that Marble wouldn't pick a scum game, plus I can't see scum!Marble pushing on Thor with scum-mate DGB at the end of D1... it doesn't sit right.

I'm not allowed to spell out the most obvious reason why mith is town.

Try it.[/quote]

Request for modkill is noted.

Re-read 482 about three more times (mostly paying attention to my reads and friendly reminders). Put the pieces together yourself.

Sevei wrote:what are the chances that all four of the people on a town wagon are indeed town?

27.3% objectively if I'm doing my math right. 45.5% since I know I'm town.

Given that I have town reads on all three other players though, on this wagon the chances are 100%.

InflatablePie · Post Post #506 (isolation #66) » Tue May 31, 2011 5:53 pm

LlamaFluff wrote:
Sevei wrote:IPie: Of those "almost unanimously confirmed town reads," what are the chances that all four of the people on a town wagon are indeed town? (I know I'm the only one who knows for certain I'm town, but lynching me will clue everyone else in.) One of you is scum. (And my list of four isn't my list of reads, it's the list of people voting for me.)

Ok Sevei is town now.

This is actually one of the biggest reasons Sotty is scum too. She basically ignores everything that went on between SP and DGB until it came to the point where

Okay, hold up.

I don't get how you jumped to this. Elaborate? Because I think you left out some stuff.

InflatablePie · Post Post #510 (isolation #67) » Tue May 31, 2011 5:59 pm

Sevei wrote:Just because you have a read on someone doesn't mean you're right, so 100% isn't a real probability, it's just your opinion. You're wrong about your read on me, so I don't have a lot of faith in your reads on the others on my wagon.

Like I said, completely objectively, it's about a 27.3% chance. 2/11 chance of each person being scum times four, subtract that from 100%. Did I do that right?

Of course, I have a scumread on you (that could be persuaded to neutral at best; not enough to escape my personal lynchgroup though) so I don't even know why I'm arguing with you.

InflatablePie · Post Post #516 (isolation #68) » Tue May 31, 2011 6:09 pm

Klazam wrote:Ythill being scum does NOT clear Mith. A team could be all town or all scum, or 2,2, or whatever. it's not all 1 out of 4.

If a team draws a scum PM, the odds of the other PMs being scum, in theory, are much lower, being that the average distribution would be 3:1 with one team inevitably getting 4:0. I realize it's possible to have 2-4 scum PMs in one team, but it's unlikely.

LlamaFluff wrote:Sevei is town because she is attempting to direct lynching at players who were on the DGB wagon instead of off the DGB wagon. If we are lynching on that pool, Sevei has no chance of making it, so its suicide and game losing if she is scum it would appear.

It looks like she's directing lynching at players on her wagon, not DGB's. It's coincidence that both wagons have three players in common.

Sevei wrote:If I'm incorrect about Marble, then I would still look at DH next, and the current third on my list is either Fluff or IPie.

Hey look, I was the only one she mentioned that was on the DGB wagon. She's directing lynches at people off the wagon, actually.

In fact, she's countervoting Marble, who is on her wagon and was off the DGB wagon.

...my gut twinged when I typed that out. Hrm.

InflatablePie · Post Post #522 (isolation #69) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:25 am

mith wrote:IP - I hate to shoot down things that lead people to the correct conclusion that I'm town, but the math doesn't work like that. Before anything was known about anyone's alignment, teams with 2 scum or more are less likely (though certainly not negligible that there's at least one, given 13 teams), but that's because it's unlikely (3/13) for a team to be given a scum role in any given game. Once a player's alignment is known, the probabilities for that team's other games don't adjust based on the starting EV for the whole team, it's the other way around - the EV of scum on the team goes down or up based on the first player's flip. The other slots for the team are still independent. (We
can
use assignments within a team to our advantage, if certain players are more/less likely to choose scum. But as I said at the start of the game, I'm in White Flag because I created it, and would still have chosen it if we had been assigned a scum role.)

scum-mith wouldn't have pointed this out. /town-tunnel

But regardless of Ythill, mith's posts read town to me. So there.

Unvote

Grr. I hate having doubts.

InflatablePie · Post Post #525 (isolation #70) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:02 pm

Reading through ISOs to do the pairs thing out of boredom, and Klazam's ISO 16 is horrible in hindsight.

Klazam wrote:All right. The buzz in my hive(My teammates, if its not being obvious) is telling me to look @ DGB.

I'm looking and i'm finding DGB very unreadable.

Am i correct in assuming that the main case on DGB is mainly about how DGB cannot say Sociopath is town? What else? If you all could clarify this, it would be awesome.

I mean, good lord.

The only thing still giving me a townread though is D1 VCs 3/4/5/6. I can't see scum both jumping on Socio that early and close together, but... hrm.

InflatablePie · Post Post #526 (isolation #71) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:50 pm

Red = unlikely pair
Blue = possible-unlikely pair
Green = possible-likely pair

Sotty + Klazam

: Fits one-on, one-off the DGB wagon. Possible. Sotty flip-flops on Klazam a lot, but does have him as one of the top 3 lynch choices for today, so less likely than most other choices.

Sotty + DH

: Fits 1:1-DGB. Unlikely due to his pushing of DH today.

Sotty + Marble

: Fits 1:1-DGB. Sotty pushed Marble for most of D1 before switching to DGB. They're both in each other's list of 4 though. Possible but less likely than most.

Sotty + Fluff

: Fits 1:1-DGB. Unlikely due to his willingness for a Fluff lynch today.

Sotty + Sevei

: This team means both scum bussed DGB, so it's unlikely.

Klazam + DH

: This team means both scum were not only off the wagon, but were both non-voters. Unlikely.

Klazam + Marble

: Implies both scum off-wagon. Unlikely due to Marble's push of Klazam today.

Klazam + Fluff

: Both scum off-wagon. Possible - Fluff went from pushing Klazam hard yesterday to defending him today.

Klazam + Sevei

: 1:1-DGB. Possible due to high amounts of non-mention from both parties.

DH + Marble

: Both scum off-wagon. Possible. Go into DH's ISO and ctrl+f "marble". He mentions Marble often without giving many reads on him. Marble does have him on his top 3, though, so slightly less likely.

DH + Fluff

: Both scum off-wagon. Possible. Fluff calls DH town, DH talks to Fluff a lot without seeming suspicious of him.

DH + Sevei

: 1:1-DGB. Possible; DH doesn't seem to give a big read on Sevei, Sevei doesn't mention DH much.

Marble + Fluff

: Both scum off-wagon. Marble's on Fluff's willing-to-lynch list, and Marble is also disliking Fluff, so unlikely.

Marble + Sevei

: 1:1-DGB. Unlikely due to Sevei pushing Marble hard yesterday and today.

Fluff + Sevei

: 1:1-DGB. Possible, less likely than most pairs. Fluff thinks Sevei is town but Sevei seems slightly suspicious of Fluff.

Sotty has 3 red, 2 blue.
Klazam has 2 red, 1 blue, 2 green.
DH has 2 red, 1 blue, 2 green.
Marble has 3 red, 2 blue.
Fluff has 2 red, 1 blue, 2 green.
Sevei has 2 red, 1 blue, 2 green.

Let's play the numbers game and leave Marble/Sotty alone today. I will join the wagons of any of the other four.

Let's start with DH though: ctrl+f-ing through his ISO shows that he's talking a lot, but he's not saying anything. Qu'est-ce que c'est, DemonHybrid?

Vote: DH

Oh, I forgot to factor mith in as well.

mith wrote:Lynch preference order at the moment: DemonHybrid, LlamaFluff, Klazam, Llamarble, Sevei, Equinox, Sotty7, Thor, [Chris B, Inflatable Pie]

See his top 4? Those are the people off the DGB wagon. Sevei and Sotty are the other two in the lynch pool. If you think both scum bussed DGB, it's possible that mith is teamed with Sotty or Sevei. However, he's willing to lynch any of the four lynchees that are all off-wagon, meaning it's less likely he's scum with them. Add this to the (imo) improbability of both scum bussing DGB, and mith is much less likely to be scum due to lack of team-mates.

InflatablePie · Post Post #527 (isolation #72) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:53 pm

By the way, you guys remember this?

InflatablePie (6) [L-1]: Equinox, Thor, Llamarble, Klazam, DH, IP

What are the odds of a L-2/L-1 wagon containing zero scum again?

InflatablePie · Post Post #532 (isolation #73) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:46 pm

Thor665 wrote:Are you counting yourself

That's why I said L-2/L-1.

Thor wrote:No, that is a solid call, though I'd feel better about it if you weren't tacked on like a wart at the end of the wagon. You're using this to indemnify DH? A cross reference with the DGB lynch gives us Thor, IP, Equinox - does that increase our chances of being scum since we all seem to agree scum would bus in this setup?

I'm not completely sold that scum would bus. If anything, it'd be 1:1 on:off, but definitely not both, that's for sure.

Anyways, I -think- I get what you're saying (my brain's a little fried at the moment), but just because both wagons contained three common players does not necessarily mean one of them has to be scum. I'm saying that DH was on my wagon, where there is most likely scum, and is possibly/probably a DGB-scumbuddy who was off the wagon. Whether there was a scumbuddy on the wagon or not isn't too relevant to that extent.

LlamaFluff wrote:without listening to anyone who disagrees with him in the slightest.

this happens when I tunnel

Mith town read:

InflatablePie wrote:
mith wrote:Lynch preference order at the moment: DemonHybrid, LlamaFluff, Klazam, Llamarble, Sevei, Equinox, Sotty7, Thor, [Chris B, Inflatable Pie]

See his top 4? Those are the people off the DGB wagon. Sevei and Sotty are the other two in the lynch pool. If you think both scum bussed DGB, it's possible that mith is teamed with Sotty or Sevei. However, he's willing to lynch any of the four lynchees that are all off-wagon, meaning it's less likely he's scum with them. Add this to the (imo) improbability of both scum bussing DGB, and mith is much less likely to be scum due to lack of team-mates.

Klazam scum read:

InflatablePie wrote:Klazam's ISO 16 is horrible in hindsight.

Klazam wrote:All right. The buzz in my hive(My teammates, if its not being obvious) is telling me to look @ DGB.

I'm looking and i'm finding DGB very unreadable.

Am i correct in assuming that the main case on DGB is mainly about how DGB cannot say Sociopath is town? What else? If you all could clarify this, it would be awesome.

I mean, good lord.

(to elaborate - this reeks of scum too scared to jump on their buddy. "Everyone's telling me she's scum, but I don't see it. Why is she scum again?" - also mimics Fluff, which I admittedly didn't notice till mith pointed it out)

Thor town-read:
ISO him and read his interactions with DGB. They just scream town. Plus DGB's vote on him at end-of-day, WIFOM or not, makes him look better in my book. Finally, he came out today wanting Sevei or DH lynches, two people I think are most likely scum via possible pairing analysis (PPA? can I coin an acronym?

), so he's not paired with either of them since scum cannot bus at this point (or if they do, they need to back off eventually), so he's town.

Thor665 wrote:Que? <--with IP raising the bar I have to prove bilingual too now.

I assume you're referring to my use of qu'est-ce que c'est?

InflatablePie · Post Post #533 (isolation #74) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:48 pm

EBWOP: Flawed probability or not, there's also the team-alignment-thingy for mith. Not to mention he's been trying scumhunting.

@Everyone who hasn't outright said so already: your top 5 ideal lynch candidates at this point, please.

I want blood and I want it soon. :v

InflatablePie · Post Post #546 (isolation #75) » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:14 am

Fluff wrote:again look what mith is doing, very similar to Sotty. He is trying to put the maximum ammount of attention on a group that he himself is not a part of.

DGB (7): Socio,

Thor

, IP, Equinox,

Sotty, mith, Sevei

Thor (2):

Llamarble

, DGB
Llamarble (1):, ChrisB
Sevei (1): LlamaFluff
Not Voting: DH, Klazam

Bolded are the people you want to lynch. Hey look, 80% of them are on the wagon, and you weren't! Hypocrisy much?

Unvote, Vote: Fluff

Fluff wrote:I dont see anything though that makes [Thor and DGB] obviously not partners past your argued last minute vote.

I'll drag up actual quotes and explain the points later today, after work. Too tired right now.

Concerning both scum bussing, keep in mind that if scum bus D1, they're unable to bus each other for the rest of the game, thus putting on way too much pressure. It's a risky move to add two votes to the scum bus-wagon. Now, a mith/Sevei team is possible ONLY if both of them bussed. However, I don't believe they're both scum.

Amrun's presence in this game should be interesting. Amrun, can I have your read on Fluff as soon as possible? (within the next 7-8 hours would be best so I can tackle it straight after work)

InflatablePie · Post Post #547 (isolation #76) » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:15 am

Keep in mind, IIRC, wasn't Marble the wagon opposite to DGB on D1?

Am I the only one that finds this a point in his favor?

InflatablePie · Post Post #549 (isolation #77) » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:34 am

InflatablePie wrote:
Fluff wrote:again look what mith is doing, very similar to Sotty. He is trying to put the maximum ammount of attention on a group that he himself is not a part of.

Amrun's top 4 lynch candidates:
DGB (7): Socio,

Thor

, IP,

Equinox

, Sotty,

mith

, Sevei
Thor (2):

Llamarble

, DGB
Llamarble (1):, ChrisB
Sevei (1): LlamaFluff
Not Voting: DH, Klazam

I'm next, assuming her list is in order.

...Sooo, Fluff. Being that Amrun is doing the same thing as mith (and yourself), would you be willing to negotiate an Amrun lynch today?

InflatablePie · Post Post #554 (isolation #78) » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:50 am

Amrun wrote:p-edit: lolwhat? Do you not understand degrees? Do you think I think all four of those people are scum together?

I don't think they're all scum at all. I think mith is scum and I feel strongly about it. If I'm right about that, the game ends.

The third scum I think is Llamarble, but if I'm wrong, it is one of {Thor, Equinox}.

When you do a SCUM -> TOWN list like that, I assume those are your reads in order. I don't think you think they're scum together, but you are suspicious of them, no? You're focusing your suspicions mostly on people on the wagon yesterday while you were off the wagon.

Which is what Fluff is doing as well, and attacked mith for. And you and Fluff find each other town. Do you get where I'm going with this?

So if Fluff could address the question I've asked of him once he gets in here, that'd be awesome.

Amrun wrote:Ipie, you're not scum. Your reads are just terrible.

Yeah, I get that a lot.

PEdit: Well, that confirms. Not only is he sticking to his points against mith, he refuses to find Amrun suspicious for similar actions and

completely disregards the part where I point out his hypocrisy

, which is actually more of a slip/tell the more I look at it.

Who's against the possibility of a Fluff/Amrun(Klazam) team?

InflatablePie · Post Post #555 (isolation #79) » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:53 am

I'm off to work, but I'll be back later and pull up the Thor-town stuff, among other things I said I'll do.

While you all wait, anyone want free punch and pie? *wink nudge*

InflatablePie · Post Post #591 (isolation #80) » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:15 pm

Content pushed back to tomorrow/tomorrow night depending on how much sleep I get.

Might be V/LA from Tues-Thurs of next week, I'll keep you guys posted.

InflatablePie · Post Post #605 (isolation #81) » Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:55 am

One of my teammates has encouraged me to vote for Amrun. The same one that was telling me to lynch DGB yesterday.

Unvote, Vote: Amrun

Mith, I take it I can have some support here?

Postponing content as usual - only got a few hours of sleep; I've read everything but nothing's really sinking in. I don't like how DH avoids questions such as Equi's one to him about ChrisB; might switch to him if Amrun/Fluff wagons don't build. Although my Fluff read is heading towards neutral-town after 593.

Officially V/LA from roughly 6/7 (Tuesday) till 6/9 (Thursday).

Noted.

InflatablePie · Post Post #607 (isolation #82) » Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:29 am

Wait a sec, just realized DH/KlazAmrun team would mean both scum are off the wagon -and- were nonvoters, which is fairly unlikely IMO... so I can't settle for either of them; they can't both be scum so I actually have to make a decision instead of a compromise.

ARGH. D:

InflatablePie · Post Post #636 (isolation #83) » Sat Jun 04, 2011 2:59 am

LlamaFluff wrote:Who is scum with Amrun? Not many that is for sure, infact it basically ENDS with DH.

I can't even see a KlazAmrun/DH team. Most likely partners for Amrun are you or Sevei, with Sotty being possible but not too likely.

However, you can be scum with both DH and Amrun... hey, wait a second!

LlamaFluff wrote:What I do think though is that DH is actually more likely then not town, despite some of his early things. Not a strong read, but a read nonetheless.

LlamaFluff wrote:DH I had as probably scum due to him attacking me hard early on, for something that really made no sense at all and that lines up very will with the... fevor of what I see DH-town play like for the most part. To an extent, the attack of me in particular day one is a bit of a town tell, especially for players who are experienced with me it seems. I think DH fits the bill enough here to be called town in my book.

LlamaFluff wrote:DH is a decent strength town read for me, and I wont be voting/supporting his lynch here.

LlamaFluff wrote:DH is on the dont lynch

LlamaFluff wrote:DH is fairly solid town

LlamaFluff wrote:I will NOT vote ... DH for the rest of this game unless something drastic changes.

LlamaFluff wrote:You are acting like some of these reads are out of nowhere, but I had been saying DH-town for a long period of time.

Okay. Now everyone look at this post:

LlamaFluff wrote:
InflatablePie wrote:One of my teammates has encouraged me to vote for Amrun. The same one that was telling me to lynch DGB yesterday.

Unvote, Vote: Amrun

Mith, I take it I can have some support here?

Postponing content as usual - only got a few hours of sleep; I've read everything but nothing's really sinking in. I don't like how DH avoids questions such as Equi's one to him about ChrisB; might switch to him if Amrun/Fluff wagons don't build. Although my Fluff read is heading towards neutral-town after 593.[/b]

*smack*

NO!

Ok, look. I will explain it more but this is a big no.

Who is scum with Amrun? Not many that is for sure, infact it basically ENDS with DH. Who is scum with DH? Well I can see more people being argued as a match there, so that means DH flipping town essentially means that Amrun is also town. People agree with this, so we ARENT lynching Amrun. Ever. If Amrun is scum, she loses when DH flips scum. If Amrun is town, DH flipping town clears her.

Lynch smart here. Amrun lynch ignores a lot of stuff.

Am I reading this wrong, or is Fluff telling me to vote DH instead of Amrun? Not only that, look at that paragraph closely:

LlamaFluff wrote:Who is scum with Amrun? Not many that is for sure, infact it basically ENDS with DH. Who is scum with DH? Well I can see more people being argued as a match there, so that means DH flipping town essentially means that Amrun is also town. People agree with this, so we ARENT lynching Amrun. Ever.
If Amrun is scum, she loses when DH flips scum.
If Amrun is town, DH flipping town clears her.

LlamaFluff wrote:If Amrun is scum, she loses when DH flips scum.

LlamaFluff wrote:when DH flips scum.

So this huge townread you've had all game suddenly changes completely out of nowhere? I'm not buying it. Between this and your hypocrisy earlier, I'm much more comfortable with the following:

Unvote, Vote: LlamaFluff

InflatablePie · Post Post #637 (isolation #84) » Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:01 am

And don't try and backpedal with saying "this was only hypothetical". If you honestly thought DH was town, you wouldn't have mentioned a hypothetical involving DH-scum right there.

I'm leaning heavily towards a Fluff/Amrun team, with Fluff trying to direct the wagon to DH and "clear" Amrun.

Fluff dies first.

InflatablePie · Post Post #638 (isolation #85) » Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:02 am

If only due to the fact that if I'm wrong on the Fluff/Amrun team, Fluff/DH is also possible (although becoming much less likely after that post).

InflatablePie · Post Post #639 (isolation #86) » Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:11 am

Equinox wrote:Oh, and also, we are not lynching from lists. Thought about that overnight after seeing Sotty7^(?) mention it

I know I've been mentioning it for a while.

DemonHybrid wrote:And I don't see how no one views this as "oh shit, my buddy is at L-1. I need time to find out what to do" assuming Chris scum.

Well, of course if you assume scum in the first place, things look scumy. Logical fallacy go!

DemonHybrid wrote:And here's about the time where you ask yourself "Where's the scum motivation in voting for someone who's nearly a universal town read?"

WIFOM. But honestly, I can't see scum-DH trying to push a ChrisB lynch at this point given the circumstances. Occam's Razor gives me a leaning townread.

So back to my top 3 suspects, with DH gone makes two.

Let's get a-lynchin'.

InflatablePie · Post Post #651 (isolation #87) » Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:13 pm

Hrm.

LlamaFluff wrote:No "slips" or "changes", just you probably skimming and still not listening to people.

To be fair, I can only trust my own reads, really.

Regardless of myself possibly misreading your post, I still don't like this. Why? Because Amrun came out and defended you instead of letting you address the issue first. Why would town!Amrun have a motivation to do such a thing? I can only see you two being scum together right now.

EQUINOX

DON'T BELIEVE AMRUN'S LIES

THEY'RE SCUM TOGETHER, DON'T YOU SEE

DON'T YOU SEE IT, EQUINOX

?!

InflatablePie · Post Post #657 (isolation #88) » Sat Jun 04, 2011 1:14 pm

Amrun wrote:especially as other people were lisrening to him for som inexplicable reason.

Other people = Equinox

...that's about it.

Fluff saying that DH, one of his townreads that he's flaunted for FOREVER should be lynched before Amrun, is also unsettling, don't you think, Sotty?

Hmm... think I'll wait for others to chime in on these exchanges as well. *goes to lurk*

InflatablePie · Post Post #663 (isolation #89) » Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:29 pm

Amrun wrote:Ipie, however, suffers from some severe confirmation bias.

Hey, mudslinging!

How's THAT for confirmation bias?

InflatablePie · Post Post #666 (isolation #90) » Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:45 pm

Amrun wrote:Should I pretend that you don't? You twist everything someone you suspect does to be scummy, often blatantly misinterpreting the posts and intents of the posts to do so.

I, however, believe these to be genuine mistakes in your case.

Honestly, you and Fluff are my scumteam pick at the moment, so obviously damn near everything you two post are going to seem suspicious to me.

You are, however, attacking my playstyle and/or skill in order to discredit my argument. There's a difference between this and just saying "hey, you misread that" and leaving it as such, which you shouldn't need to post (as town) when it's directed at another player.

To be honest, if you just would have said "okay whatever" instead of even going as far as to defend Fluff AGAIN in 659 after I ask Sotty a question, I would have let you off the hook. "Pie, you're nuts. k?" would have probably gotten me off your case.

But no, the middle two parts in 659 are what's gotten me uncomfortable right now.

At this point, if you flip town, I'm going to have to re-evaluate all of my reads.

Unvote, Vote: Amrun

PEdit: what the hell is that a ChrisB wall

InflatablePie · Post Post #673 (isolation #91) » Sat Jun 04, 2011 7:00 pm

The irony of Equinox beating me to what I was going to say in response to Llama...

Amrun wrote:If anyone is interested, see Cold War mafia where Llama went so far as to fake a governor role to save me from a lynch. We were both town.

I was in Cold War Mafia for a little bit. This doesn't give you any scumpoints for bringing it up, but nor does it give you townpoints. Same for him.

Amrun wrote:I'm not going to let someone misrepresent his posts so badly without so much as correcting them.

Then you and I have come to a disagreement on how to play a game of mafia as town.

Fluff wrote:Keep refusing to listen to anything someone you suspect says. I guarentee you that it will lose you games as town if it hasnt already lost you games in the past.

I've had games where I've been suspicious of someone, eventually dropped my suspicions or didn't pursue them, and they flipped scum. That hurts worse than being wrong if your scumreads end in mislynches.

If either of you flip town, I'll reconsider my reads, because a lot of my logic does hinge on the interactions between the two of you, especially today. Call me crazy, or terrible, but that's what I'm sticking with.

Fluff wrote:Amrun is a bad lynch. There are very few possible partners to her

You're a possible partner to her, don't you realize this? Just like from your point of view I'm a possible partner to, say, mith/Thor/Equi/Chris - four people who I've had a solid townread on. Or even Marble, being that I've defended him on VCA reasoning alone. Out of all the possibilities I've looked at, the links between you two is astounding. I can't see two townies defending each other so damn hard.

But fine. Let me pull my head out of my colon for a second. Honestly, it's possible,

if

I'm wrong about one read, you're not the scum here. You, as scum, could have easily jumped on Amrun for answering what I directed at you. Hell, I've done that before as town so I'd view it as a pro-town move. But Amrun, she can be scum now without you necessarily having to be. I find her jumping in much more scummy than anything you've done, and I'm willing to back off of you because she can still be scum even if there wasn't already a link between you both.

Show me how neither you or Amrun (mostly the latter but I'd appreciate both) can be scum, using only proof via DGB interaction, and I may re-consider. Amrun, you can do this as well.

InflatablePie · Post Post #698 (isolation #92) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:56 am

Sotty7 wrote:Pie, what about a DH vote here?

I'll think about it. He's in my lynch pool, after all.

Sotty7 wrote:I think we're getting the point of needing a flip and having to come together to wagon someone up

I agree.

InflatablePie · Post Post #699 (isolation #93) » Sun Jun 05, 2011 7:57 am

^tags fail. Always preview first.

Sotty7 wrote:Pie, what about a DH vote here?

I'll think about it. He's in my lynch pool, after all.

Sotty7 wrote:I think we're getting the point of needing a flip and having to come together to wagon someone up

I agree.

InflatablePie · Post Post #780 (isolation #94) » Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:37 am

Amrun wagon's been the same for a while, so I'll move my vote to be more useful. Since my only other choices are mith and Sotty...

Unvote, Vote: DH

Gonna go on my V/LA now. *waves*

InflatablePie · Post Post #831 (isolation #95) » Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:31 am

Seems I'm back from V/LA a bit early.

I'll make a proper post once I get some more coffee in me.

InflatablePie · Post Post #864 (isolation #96) » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:46 am

Equinox wrote:I'm going to confess right here and right now that I'm losing it, and I haven't had the motivation to do any of the rereading, metagaming, or analyzing that I said I'd do because, when I look at this thread, I just want to roll over and die. Whatever the reason, I can't get myself moving, and I don't think I've ever felt so apathetic about a game before.

this

I'm going to chime in on the question posed to Amrun/Thor: I think it's more likely that scum would be stalling out the day, so, probably more likely they'd be defending him... if DH is town. In addition, scum would most likely stay off of DH's wagon, since I can see D3 being "let's see who didn't push DGB but jumped on DH" (which currently is... just Chris, I think).

Actually, regardless of the hammer-er, I can totally see DH flipping town and scum pushing ChrisB tomorrow, due to the AtE of pushing a wagon of the late lynchee plus his positioning on both these wagons.

Of course, I'm not psychic. So let's just leave it as "scum is most likely not on the DH wagon right now". This is also supported by the fact that no one's willing to hammer DH. Doesn't matter if he's scum or town for the following logic: scum is off the wagon and don't wish to hammer, because the scum are under enough suspicion that they wouldn't want to hammer a townwagon and be looked at tomorrow. This may also be due to a scumbuddy being on the DH-wagon, but I'm leaning towards both of them being off-wagon.

Anyways... yes, I think it's possible that DH is town, but it's also possible that his reaction is a scum one. Not to mention, like Thor and others have said, at this point he needs to be lynched. So while my read is slowly leaning towards town as the day drags on, thus making me extremely unsure about this lynch, I still think it should happen. If there's a D3, that gives us more information to use for tomorrow. Lastly, it's either this or a mithwagon, and... yeah.

Also, I really don't like how Sevei disappeared after her wagon disintegrated. If DH's lynch doesn't win us the game, I'd be fine with Sevei. And of course, my Fluff/Amrun senses are still tingling, but after thinking things over, if they were buddies it'd be too obvious. Not to mention they're both trying to push a mith lynch. So either one of Fluff/Amrun is scum, or mith is scum and both Fluff/Amrun are town.

*sigh* I want blood. :<

InflatablePie · Post Post #876 (isolation #97) » Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:48 pm

Honestly, I would be okay with a last-minute Sevei speedwagon if the DH wagon is gonna break up. I get my blood, we get info... everybody wins.

And I know it's scummy to suggest a lynch on this basis alone but I'm just gonna say it anyways: also, her team is saved the trouble of needing a replacement.

And there's a higher than zero chance we'll win. That too.

InflatablePie · Post Post #892 (isolation #98) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:09 am

Equinox wrote:Said pony actually wants me to re-vote LlamaFluff and get him lynched, but I'm tired and don't really want to make another gigantic excavation.

I'd be okay with this. And at least your team's reading this game... >:|

unvote, vote: Sevei

I WANT BLOOD

InflatablePie · Post Post #900 (isolation #99) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:54 am

Yes, if Equi is scum we're all fucked.

If we get any more support on Fluff, I'll switch. We're running out of time and I'd prefer to keep what banked time we have.

InflatablePie · Post Post #908 (isolation #100) » Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:21 pm

Equinox wrote:Compromise wagons can be quite easily manipulated by scum, and they have a lot of incentive to do so in this setup.

BUT I WANT BLOOD, DAMN YOU

...

FINE.

BUT YOU OWE ME, EQUINOX.

Unvote, Vote: Fluff

I'm gonna be 200% more useless than usual until we get a lynch, dammit.

InflatablePie · Post Post #936 (isolation #101) » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:27 am

Thor665 wrote:Chain the lynches, chain them I say!

Hey look, we're back to the idea I proposed DAYS ago (real-life days). This time though, something doesn't sit right with me...

Anyways, I'm sure there's scum amongst Fluff/DH/Amrun/Sevei(singer). But I don't mind negotiating to a Sotty lynch tomorrow if we lynch Fluff today and another on this list D4, assuming we don't hit scum prior. As I posted way back when, lynching 2 (if not 3) of these 4 gives us the most information for LYLO on the offchance they're all town.

Also, I'd like to mention that everyone should be analyzing every possible pair from here on out, or at the very least, the ones with their scumreads. It's probably best we get to LYLO as quickly as possible (obviously lynching scum is the better option but you know what I mean); with 5 left there's only 10 possible scumteams, but with 11 there's about 55 possibilities. As long as we can rule out even one person as town by LYLO, we're down to six possible scumteams.

So while the sudden chainlynch agreement worries me slightly, I still think it's a good idea. Lynch out of Sevei/Amrun/DH after Fluff and Sotty go down, if we're not at game over by then.

@Fluff: my tl;dr main point on you is accusing others of directing suspicion outside of their "group" (on or off DGB wagon) yet doing the same thing yourself (being off-wagon and directing attention to on-wagon players)

InflatablePie · Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:02 pm

the fuck happened here

I hate reading D:

InflatablePie · Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:15 pm

Concerning Socio/DGB/myself/claiming scum thingy, I get why that's sketchy, but at the same time I don't.

I mean, it's much more smart to find reasons for scumminess from the actual player, than from a revealed scum's past interactions with them. Not saying that stuff like distancing/bussing should be ruled out completely, but it's really WIFOM-y and should never be used as pure basis for a case.

I can't defend myself over DGB not calling me out but calling Socio out for doing similar. I really can't. If you want to use that to beef up a case, fine, but Sotty, if you finish my re-read and that's all you have, I'm gonna laugh if you call me scum just based on that situation.

FoS Amrun

btw. Like I need to.

ALSO I WANT BLOOD AND I DON'T LIKE SINGER EITHER. I REALLY DON'T.

SOTTY IS BECOMING MORE AGGRESSIVE UNDER PRESSURE, AND UNLESS DH IS A MAGNIFICENT BASTARD AND DECIDED TO GAMBIT, HE'S TOWN. SINGER LOOKS MORE LIKE SCUM TRYING TO HOLD ON TO A DH LYNCH

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SINGER

KILL THE BEAST
CUT HER THROAT
SPILL HER BLOOD
KILL THE BEAST
CUT HER THROAT
SPILL HER BLOOD

InflatablePie · Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:43 pm

Equinox wrote:If this game is still going tomorrow, keep this level of bloodlust.

KILL THE BEAST CUT HER THROAT SPILL HER BLOOD

InflatablePie · Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:20 am

InflatablePie wrote:Red = unlikely pair
Blue = possible-unlikely pair
Green = possible-likely pair

Sotty + Klazam
: Fits one-on, one-off the DGB wagon. Possible. Sotty flip-flops on Klazam a lot, but does have him as one of the top 3 lynch choices for today, so less likely than most other choices.

Sotty + DH
: Fits 1:1-DGB. Unlikely due to his pushing of DH today.

Sotty + Marble
: Fits 1:1-DGB. Sotty pushed Marble for most of D1 before switching to DGB. They're both in each other's list of 4 though. Possible but less likely than most.

Sotty + Fluff
: Fits 1:1-DGB. Unlikely due to his willingness for a Fluff lynch today.

Klazam + DH
: This team means both scum were not only off the wagon, but were both non-voters. Unlikely.

Klazam + Marble
: Implies both scum off-wagon. Unlikely due to Marble's push of Klazam today.

Klazam + Fluff
: Both scum off-wagon. Possible - Fluff went from pushing Klazam hard yesterday to defending him today.

DH + Marble
: Both scum off-wagon. Possible. Go into DH's ISO and ctrl+f "marble". He mentions Marble often without giving many reads on him. Marble does have him on his top 3, though, so slightly less likely.

DH + Fluff
: Both scum off-wagon. Possible. Fluff calls DH town, DH talks to Fluff a lot without seeming suspicious of him.

Marble + Fluff
: Both scum off-wagon. Marble's on Fluff's willing-to-lynch list, and Marble is also disliking Fluff, so unlikely.

Sotty has 3 red, 2 blue.
Klazam has 2 red, 1 blue, 2 green.
DH has 2 red, 1 blue, 2 green.
Marble has 3 red, 2 blue.
Fluff has 2 red, 1 blue, 2 green.

Posted this a while ago; took out the Sevei possibilities in this quote since apparently singer was a mislynch (she would have dropped the charade if scum).

Gonna go re-analyze these possible pairings given the last few wagons. Not sure if I'll be able to do so before TBM ends the day, though. =/

InflatablePie · Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:24 am

EBWOP: ignore the numbers; I just deleted instead of editing so the math doesn't add up.

InflatablePie · Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:58 pm

LlamaFluff wrote:Honestly I was almost ready to replace out around D2 because the play from IP was pissing me off that much. I could deal with someone thinking im scum but I felt like he was refusing to listen to anything that I said about anyone else for a vast majority of the game..

Sorry. I really thought you were scum, and like I mentioned, I hate catching scum and then backing off only to discover I was right. I got tunnel-visioned.

And of course, I failed in this game as well. Ugh.