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/conformIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Vote: mith
I'll never be able to do this again.
An iPie wagon is fine, too.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Llamarble wrote:Why did each of you choose this game?
Seemed the most interesting. Partly process of elimination, too: never played in a PYP, so I didn't think I'd be good at it; I'm tired of playing in Normals; I've played in enough dram games to last me a while. Finally, I've wanted to play in a Mountainous game since I first started playing mafia, so...If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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EBWOP: I'm not going to claim my team. dealwithitdog.jpgIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Equinox wrote:People on the mith wagon: Do you disagree with me and Thor665? Who what when where and why?
Who: Me.
What: Wagon.
When: Now.
Where: Here.
Why: Self-explanatory.
Equinox wrote:Mod: Can we get a list of nonvoters, please? Thanks!
+1
Equinox wrote:Are people ignoring the InflatablePie wagon because he's scum?
I'm sorry, what was that? I was too busy ignoring you.
Equinox wrote:We can run after SocioPath later when we're through with inflating the pie.
Most people would say "deflating", but since I'm Inflatable, not necessarily Inflated, that's incorrect. +A million brownie points for this choice of words.
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@mith: Why don't you have a vote down? Opinion on your wagon? What's the "M word"?
@Klazam: Why not a vote of disrespect?
@iPie: Why so many questions?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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InflatablePie wrote:@iPie: Why so many questions?
I don't know. I think because if I act all casual towards my wagon and ask questions that look like I'm scumhunting, they won't find out I'm scum. Maybe if Equinox would quit bussing so damn early I wouldn't have to resort to using such methods.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Klazam wrote:BUT, I think sarcasm is a valid scumtell.
Wow, that's completely valid and sane reasoning.
Equinox wrote:How do I say this... It wasn't so much InflatablePie's preference for scum games -- as I wasn't aware of that -- but more something I picked up that led me and my team to conclude he may be scum in this game.
Ahh. One of your team members knows me? Or am I reading this wrong? DH is right - I do have a slight preference for scum. However, I'm obligated to mention that you are mistaken.
Regardless.
Unvote, Vote: InflatablePie
L-1.
Your move, Equinox.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I'm going to bed. On the offchance I am lynched:
Equinox is town.
Klazam is scum.
LlamaFluff is probscum.
DH is probtown.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I lied. Refreshed after checking Facebook.
If you strongly believe me to be scum, Equi, why switch off now?
PEdit: lol Klazam's trying to push a hammer on me after I call him scum, that's cute.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Not sure if I buy that just yet, Equi.
Unvote, Vote: Klazam
Actually off to bed now.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I don't even know what this scumtell could be... It makes me a little happy inside, but at the same time I feel really left out. :(
@mith:why do you not have a vote down? And what's the M word that you mentioned in your first post? ANSWER MEEEEEEEEEE
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Let's concentrate on the votes on my wagon for now.
InflatablePie (6): Equinox, Thor, Llamarble, Klazam, DH, IP
Taking myself off. Since I'm only town by my own POV, think about this: whether I'm town or scum, there's a high chance for at least ONE scum member to be on my wagon, if not multiple.
Equinox, Thor, Llamarble, Klazam, DH
Equinox is probably town. His aggressive playstyle combined with his unwillingness to let such an early hammer go through has town motivation behind it.
Thor, Llamarble, Klazam, DH
Llamarble is probably town because lolgamechoicemeta.
Thor, Klazam, DH
At least one of these three players is scum. Guaranteed.
DH's posts are odd. In the post where he votes me, he sort of slings a small bit of mud onto Equi by asking why he's concentrating on me but not the other people with strong scum games (which is implying I have a strong scum game and I really don't think I do btw :x). His next important posts says that Equi could be scum... yet he's still voting for me, and my wagon was a wagon pushed by Equi. He does mention later that this doesn't necessarily mean he thinks Equi is scum. So his statement is either obvious (because everyonecould bescum) or he was just saying that to fall back on if there's an Equi wagon later.
Don't really have a read on Thor yet. We have similar reads (aside from me being scum of course); that's about all I've noticed from him.
As for Klazam... his scumtells are flawed, and his position on my wagon is even scummier. Sarcasm is not a scumtell, and self-voting is not a scumtell. Actually, considering the setup, it would be extremely risky for scum to place themselves at L-1, especially early on in the game (not trying to defend myself with WIFOM, I'd think this if it happened with someone else). And rather than concede that his sarcasm/self-voting scumtells may be wrong, he keeps defending them with subpar reasoning. But to be honest, after a re-read, I'm less inclined to believe he's scum. Possibly bad town? Yes. Scum? Maybe not.
Unvote, Vote: DemonHybrid
As for other players: I dislike LlamaFluff because of him defending me so hard. Combined with a gut scumread from the tone of his posts. mith is also a good vote, because we have tons of info to go on and he still doesn't have a vote down. Socio is most likely town on gutread alone. There is possibly one scum in the group of Sotty/DGB/Sevei by process of elimination, since I'm not extremely confident in both mith and LlamaFluff (although it's likely one of the two is indeed scum).If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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EBWOP: DH also jumped ship on the mith RVS wagon when mine gained momentum and is now on the LlamaFluff wagon once Equi starts pushing for him, leaving mine when Equi jumps ship and some of the suspicion on me seems to drop.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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DH wrote:Don't like how this is an afterthought, for the record.
I skimmed my wall and realized I forgot to add this. It's not an afterthought.
DH wrote:Pie, I know you're smarter than this. Are you trying to fabricate stuff?
No, I think I'm right this time. This smells faintly of AtE, by the way.
DH wrote:I never posted any suspicion on Equinox.
Yes, you did. By asking why he's concentrating on one player who's doing something and not everyone else, it's a mix of pseudo-defending the one player in question, and trying to discredit the attacking player's argument and cast suspicion on them for doing such.
As for your other two points, stating the obvious is a scumtell (see: IIoA). Plus, I don't like your defense of "I meant to post this! it was a trap for Llama!" (by the way, I want to ask everyone to use full names so we don't get the two Llamas confuse)
I understand the mith wagon, even in your case, falls under RVS. However, it was your vote that made it a competing RVS wagon at 3 votes each, and when that one didn't gain, you jumped onto mine. Scummy.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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EBWOP:
DH wrote:Why? Do you really read Socio's motivation as scum-driven?
No, he's voting for him because he thinks Socio is town.
DH, I know you're smarter than this. Are you trying to fabricate stuff?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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DH wrote:AtE? Why? By that logic, anyone who's accused other people of lying or implied such has used AtE. You just basically used a boilerplate term without even regarding the meaning of it.
You know me personally. You're my friend on FB and we've played offsite before multiple times. By saying "you're smarter than this", that's a form of appealing to my emotions. Of course, I should know you know better than to try that with me, but Occam's Razor is making my thoughts stop there.
DH wrote:I also questioned about 4 other people and I never posted suspicion on them.
You're not getting my point. It's not the questioning part, it's the "BUT LOOK AT ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE, AND YOU'RE SINGLING ONE PERSON OUT" part.
DH wrote:It fit the context and it definitely wasn't out of nowhere, so I don't get your claim of IIoA.
You said "everyone can be scum". That's like me going around saying "everyone can be town", or "people vote for other people", or "scum can talk at night". It's obvious and isn't really content.
DH wrote:I never said it was a trap for LlamaFluff and you completely misrepresented my statement on that.
Comment you're/I'm referring to:
It was supposed to be obvious and it's something Llama completely passed over.
The post in question, addressed to Llama:
I'm not denying that Equinox could be scum, however, it's weird that you believe that it's an Equinox-IP team due to Equinox's behavior, yet you won't vote for or mention IP and instead debunk the wagon. Why?
Considering context and your suspicion of Llama, the above comment certainly reads like you just defended your obvious statement with "IT WAS A TRAP!".
DH wrote:I didn't even read the amount of votes that mith had before I posted a vote on him.
I don't care. There was a VC posted shortly after your vote: you at least HAD to have seen that before changing your vote to me. Right after Klazam switched sides, too.
DH wrote:So, I'm guessing you don't find "Do you see any scum-motivation behind his posting, and if so, why?" as a valid question and I haven't the slightest as to why you think that. I think it's a very fair and valid question.
Except obviously he does, and that's why he's voting him. Seriously DH, that question was the epitome of active lurking. Or was at least very very stupid.
Question for you, DH. If you're not part of the scum on my wagon, then who is? Preferably in order of most likely to least likely, thanks.
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Thor665 wrote:Okay, DH can be town.
... I hate you.
Equi wrote:Oh, also, InflatablePie, I don't vote people I think are town. Dunno how you got that.
Oh, because I totally wasn't being sarcastic or anything...If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Oi, something I want to point out to everyone. Whether you think I'm town or scum, there seems to be a lot of people that seem to be iffy on my lynch. A -lot-.
We should keep an eye on them.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Sotty7 wrote:I don't want you lynched Pie. I think you are likely town at this point.
Nice to know. I worded that statement the way I did because I know some people think I'm scum, and was addressing everyone, not just you.
Regardless of my alignment, however, the people fencesitting on me should be looked at - most likely, either they're scum waiting to jump on a townie wagon or scum waiting to have a fallback to bus their buddy, depending what your read of me is.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Unvote, Vote: DGB
I have more than one reason for this vote, aside from agreeing in seeing what Socio is. I won't be disclosing them, though.
mith, you've been browsing Coney Island often tonight. I hope you're making a post and explaining why you still haven't placed a vote down yet.
DH, don't think I'm letting you out of my sights either. Just diverting my attention. Although, to clarify, you don't suspect ANYONE on my wagon? Despite it being a L-2 RVS wagon? Is it impossible that there was scum on my wagon?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Klazam wrote:PEdit 2: LOL. IP doesnt like a person being voted for basically the same reason that IP was voted by equinox.
Yeah, yeah. Like Equi, I dunno if I can go into details either. Call it a policy lynch.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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UNVOTE:
VOTE: DemonHybrid
Meh.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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The only read I have on Llamarble is that he's town due to meta/choice reasons alone.
I'll look into his posts later tonight, maybe.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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UNVOTE:
VOTE: DGB
More comfortable being on a wagon with Socio than mith.
Make up your damn minds, people.
Equi wrote:* = I read later that Thor665 voted SocioPath for his "/conform" post and not That Thing, which means what I said above no longer applies. That is still the thought process I had at the time.
You mean voted me, right? <_<
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Unvote, Vote: Sevei
I think I joined too many games at once, so I'm kind of burnt out mafia-wise and as such don't want to make a big post, but I probably should analyze this game anyways soooooo... time to force myself to do so.
This vote's good though.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Okay.
First, back to my early wagon analysis.
Equinox, Thor, Llamarble, Klazam, DH <- there is scum here. Guaranteed. Scum wouldn't pass up a RVS wagon, in fact, it'd be more likely than at later stages.
Equi is town for reasons already stated.
Thor has really fallen under the radar this game. Looking back at his ISO:
Thor665 wrote:DemonHybrid wrote:Why mith? You hadn't mentioned a thing about him before this post other than "I want the hammer if there's a wagon", and that was during an apparent RVS for you. What changed?
Mith is scumbecause he's bothering to take time to attack someone's town readswhile not actually attacking anything else.
Posted on May 16th, 3:52 PM Eastern. The only posts of mith prior to this were:
mith wrote:Hi all.
Why I am in this game. I would have requested this one whatever role my team was assigned in it; I'm town because we were assigned town.
Llmarble and Thor665: You claim to prefer being town - is there anything in your meta you can point to that confirms this in any way? (On a related and more general note, I think DGB is the only one in this game I have played with before, so I don't expect I will pay much attention to claims of meta unless they are backed up with linked evidence.)
(On a completely unrelated but important note: I refuse to use the M word when discussing this setup. It puts us in entirely the wrong mindset. I was winning Vanilla games when some of you were still in diapers. Probably. I don't know how old you are.)
...where I see no attacking of town reads.
mith wrote:Not much time (about to go crush some fifth graders at mini golf), so quickly...
Llamarble: It's a bit early for me to be looking at pairings, but I find it interesting that you asked a question which Thor665 was the first to answer, and you were able to find and provide better justification for his answer than for your own. Feels a bit staged somehow. What are your thoughts on the answers others have provided?
My mind says Llamafluff is raising good points against Equinox. Primarily:
1. Thinking it was 5 to lynch yet strongly encouraging others to join a wagon at L-2 without pointing this out. (Also, the respect-wagon got to 4 votes... one would think a town Equinox would mention that the opposing wagon was at L-1.)
2. His reaction to thinking InflatablePie had been hammered... not the reaction I would be expecting for someone who has strong (?) reasons for thinking IP is scum.
My gut, on the other hand, doesn't like LlamaFluff, and I need to figure out why.
...where I still don't see him attacking any townreads?
Either I'm completely blind or Thor has some explaining to do. Other than that, his posts don't really read anything to me. Not town, not scum, just null.
Klazam seems more town than scum. He's wrong on some things, like self-voting and sarcasm being scumtells, but I understand where he's coming from and it feels like he's actually trying to scumhunt. I don't want to lynch him.
DemonHybrid, while he's been able to defend himself against the points made against him, something still doesn't sit right with me. Not sure if it's be being tunnel-visioned or crazy, but I have a gut scumread on him at the least.
Llamarble. Like I said, for secret meta-ish reasons alone I think he's town. We played together in Multiple Personality Mafia a few months back when he was scum, and I can't tell a glaring difference between the two playstyles here after quick ISOs in both games. This doesn't condemn him as scum, however. I wouldn't be surprised if he's scum this game, but he hasn't done anything outright scummy from what I've read, so I don't want him lynched today.
In order of most likely scum on my wagon to least likely:
DH (just on gut alone)
Thor (may surpass DH pending explanation for the mith comment)
Llamarble (smack dab in the middle)
Klazam (nooby, not scummy)
Equinox (townie mctownswoman)
Let's look at the current VC now.
Llamarble (3): Sotty, LlamaFluff, Sevei
Socio (2): DGB, Klazam
DGB (2): Socio, Thor
DH (2): mith
Equinow (1): ChrisB
Sotty7 (1): Llamarble
Sevei (1): IP
Not Voting: DH, Equi
The voices in my head are telling me that there's scum on Llamarble right now. So let's continue my player analysis with those three.
Sotty... the voices are telling me he may be scum, but he's flown under the radar for me, much like Thor. He's also stuck on Llamarble since his third post (the more you know). Upon a quick ISO, he's actually trying to scumhunt. I disagree with his earlier attacks on Equi, but other than that he's put in effort and his posts read genuine.
Next up, LlamaFluff. His vote on Klazam is a bit stretchy, because Klazam calling nulltells scumtells is... a nulltell. Or at least newb-y. I get a funny vibe from his posts, but I don't see anything that stands out as scummy. Townread for now.
Finally, Sevei. Oh boy, Sevei. For one, she's fashionably late to the party so I only have two content posts to go off of. The fact that she's piggybacking Sotty isn't getting her townpoints, the simple fact that she voted Marble pinged my scumdar for some reason, and her own original points are stretching (notably announcing an L-3 vote after hammer discussion... how is this a scumtell?). Combined with the fact that I still get funny feelings from DGB, and she votes someone else but is all "I see how she's scummy BUT", I don't like her post. Something worth a note is that both her suspects had two votes on them before she voted Marble. Null-tell for now, but just a note.
Finally, the last 4 players. Willing to bet there's one scum on my wagon, one on Marble, and one in this group. Just a feeling.
Chris B gets a newbpass. Yes, seriously. Voting for the aggressive player is indicative enough, not even counting the join date. He may now be a mafia newb, but like Equi said, it's easy to pick out new-to-MS-scum regardless of prior experience. Are his reads off? I think so. Is his Equi/me scumteam theory crazy? Yes. Has he heard of Occam's Razor? Probably not. Is he town? Yeah, most likely.
The voices are telling me not to let DGB get away. Something about her just plain bugs me, I'm not sure if it's a playstyle thing or what. Looking back through her ISO, she's giving off lots of reads and suspicions but it just reads funny to me. Not to mention the fact that she seems sure every team has one scum game, as Socio pointed out. Would not mind a lynch of her. In addition, if Sevei flips scum, I want DGB strung up AQAP. I'd also like to note that the voices are saying that DGB dislikes bussing. So this post might prove useful later if she flips scum.
SocioPath. I agree with his DGB case and he makes a lot of good points. So far, he's been a bit lurky, though. Other than that, The Voices™ tell me he's town, and there's bigger fish to fry regardless. At the very least, he gets town points for the DGB case. It would be awesome if he'd be less Fate-esque cryptic-y and give some more reads though.
mith is an odd one. I've had my eye on him for not laying a vote down in his first few posts (and maybe the fact that he runs the site...). But he's posted content, nothing's stood out as scummy, looks like town scumhunting etc etc and The Voices™ say that he probably wouldn't pick a scum game as his first game back in however long it's been.
To sum up, I think there's one scum on my wagon, one scum on the Llamarble wagon and one scum in the remaining four.
Thor or DH is my pick for the scum on my wagon. Sevei is my choice for the scum on Marble, with the other two tied for second. DGB is my choice for the remaining scum.
If I am wrong about either scum being on my wagon OR if Thor and DH are town, then one (not both) of Sotty/Llama is scum and Sevei becomes town, moving the third scum to the group of mith/Socio/Chris B (roughly in that order). If Sevei or DGB flip scum, it heavily incriminates the other. That's about all I can think of.
So let's get to lynching, shall we?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Okay, whatever. You knew what I meant. Can we have some other reads besides DGB? =/If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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SocioPath wrote:
Yes.InflatablePie wrote:Can we have some other reads besides DGB? =/
Done.
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Sevei wrote:As for the comment I made about Marble's L-3 announcement, I pointed it out because HIS pointing out an L-3 seemed like he was trying too hard to appear cautious town since there had just been a discussion about the voting threshold.
I know what you're saying. I don't find it a scumtell. You're stretching.
Sevei wrote:You say if I flip scum then you will be more concerned with DGB. What will your read on DGB when I flip town, or is your scum-read on her solely contingent on my alignment? Will you exonerate her when I flip town?
She hasn't offered thoughts on you yet, so I'm unsure. For now though, I'm suspicious of both of you and these suspicions will increase when one of you flips scum. They may decrease slighty if one of you flips town, but usually when one read of mine is wrong I completely reconsider all my reads anyways.
Sevei wrote:What do you think of Marble-DGB?
It's possible.
How about we strike a deal. You help me in lynching DGB. It gives you a better read on Marble and me a better read on you. If she flips scum, we lynch from her list of town/null reads and if she's town we look at her wagon for the scum that's bound to jump on. We both benefit from her flip reads-wise, so what do you say?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Sotty7 wrote:Pie is probably right in that I have tunneled a little on Marble and Equi, I can accept that.
I said you've had your vote on Marble and I didn't like your attacks on Equi.
I never mentioned tunneling.
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Sotty/Sevei/{Thor/DH/DGB} team, anyone?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I was implying that you were the person on the wagon the longest. Not necessarily tunneling. Look at the other points; I said you're trying to scumhunt and your posts read genuine. I wouldn't say that if I thought you were tunneling, because that's not exactly great scumhunting if you just stick to one person.
You seem to have a guilty conscience.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I can see it being town vs town (despite my gut read of DH), but I'm having a hard time reading through it.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I've also noticed mith seems to be doing more commentary than anything, so I really don't know what to think of their exchange. :SIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Chris B: Would it be possible to persuade you to switch to DGB?
Here, I'll even help:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: DGB
Join the Alliance Of Awesome with me, Socio and hopefully Sevei and we can knock out the scum one-by-one.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Alliance of Awesome is go! Welcome aboard, Equi and Sotty!If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Thor665 wrote:That's a direct translation.
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Socio: Any thoughts on a Sevei/DGB team? Likely, unlikely...?If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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The Voices™ say that the most likely scumteam at this point is Fluff/Sevei/Thor.
My logical side says that it's DGB/{Sotty or Sevei or mith (pick 2)} with a slight chance of DH-scum.
Just noting for later.
We need more votes on DGB regardless.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Thor665 wrote:More votes? So is that calling for a lynch, or do you mean one vote for L-1?
And your voices are silly and not as smart as my voices.
Either one. Nothing DGB posts will change my mind, but if anything has anyone left to add...
AND MY VOICES ARE YELLING LOUDER THAN YOUR VOICESIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Oh damn, you caught on to my plan. Maybe I should stop being so obvscum D:
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InflatablePie wrote:Either one. Nothing DGB posts will change my mind,but if anything has anyone left to add...
Wow, I'm tired.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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V/LA until ??? due to the Rapture.
(that was a joke)
I can see where the whole placeholder argument thingy is coming from (scum can use it to have a fallback to blatantly hop on a wagon and blah blah), but all I can do is say that while I certainly take The Voices™ into consideration, I'm going with my own suspicions here.
And if I was being too subtle, The Voices™ was another way to refer to my team's thoughts without saying "my team" over and over. Because that's boring.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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mith wrote:A summary of why I think DGB is scum
Then vote her.
Content tomorrow during Mafia Catch-Up Day, barring hammer.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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The Voices™ are giving me a money-back guarantee in Sevei-scum, but are also saying that DGB is good at talking her way out of lynches as scum.
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Thor665 wrote:InflatablePie wrote:mith wrote:A summary of why I think DGB is scum
Then vote her.
*blush while sad trombone music plays*If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Chris B wrote:Why should one of the rest of us hammer this lynch? In no more than a paragraph, please.
Because she's scum. The Voices™ say so, the fact that she hasn't been hammered yet after so much discussion and being at L-1 says so, some of my town reads are saying so (Socio, equi) and my gut says so.
This Day has gone far too long for my liking and I want blood. I don't care anymore, I am insanely bored with this game, and if she's not scumyou can lynch me tomorrow. Sound good?
I will only vote Sevei if this wagon is dissolved and more votes on Sevei piling on. If there's even a chance at DGB being lynched, I want her to be.
Go ahead DGB, point out how anti-town I'm being by not posting any original thoughts but still pushing your lynch. I'm waiting.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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I completely missed that vote. I'm tired and spent so much time catching up in another game; I'm a bit burnt out. >_<
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EBWOP: *THANKS FOR BUSSING, SEVEI
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Equinox wrote:InflatablePie wrote:This Day has gone far too long for my liking and I want blood. I don't care anymore, I am insanely bored with this game, and if she's not scumyou can lynch me tomorrow. Sound good?
What is this blasphemy coming from your mouth, InflatablePie?
I'm pulling the "I'M TOWN, LOOK AT ME I'M TOWN" card and the "Hey, he's pointing out his own scummy actions, he must be town!" card. Obviously.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Thor665 wrote:Sweet, so Pie is town then, right, he played the card.
I've even played the "Hey, he's pointing out that he's using the "Hey, he's pointing out his own scummy actions, he must be town!" card" card.
Ifthatdoesn't make me town, I don't know what does.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Spoiler: VCs with flips
Equinox is town due to VC 2/3/4.
Klazam is town due to VC 3/4/5/6.
Llamarble is most likely town due to VC 9/10/11.
All three of these reads are based on the assumption that scum wouldn't vote with their buddies on a small wagon.
Spoiler: VCs with flips + assumptions
In short, the pool of lynchees is narrowed down to: Thor, Sotty, mith, Sevei, ChrisB, LlamaFluff, and DH - just under a 30% chance if we randomly picked a player.
Less info and more analysis later, but I'd like to at least derail the Llamarble wagon before it starts. *looks at Equinox*
Vote: Seveifor now.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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For the record, if my math is correct, we have three mislynches. Which, if my math is correct, makes a 50% win at 5p LYLO. Nice odds.
Just a note.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Marble wrote:I don't find scum putting votes near each other unlikely in that situation.
I find it unlikely.
Fluff wrote:Somewhat more lax on Sevei than yesterday given the willingness to shift from marble->DGB to DGB->marble, which essentially means that whoever is with Sevei would need to be in a near allstar position for that to be an acceptable move.
True, but by the time she expresses such intentions, DGB was already at 6/7 votes. She says "she's not opposed to [voting DGB]" and waits to hammer. By the time she does hammer, it was practically inevitable at that point regardless. So her willingness to lynch/hammer doesn't mean much.
If she's not scum, it might be mith. I'll have to read Sotty and Thor's posts over again, but I think Sevei/mith-scum is more likely, possibly even Sotty. We most likely have one scum on the wagon and one scum off-wagon. So, as for off-wagon, DH would be my choice on gut, followed by Fluff due to process of elimination + townreads.
I kind of agree with whoever said we should look for pairings and lynch within the pairs (too lazy to check and too tired to figure this out myself right now). It could be our best bet given the fact that most everyone's scum/neutral reads can be narrowed down to about 6 from what I see (at least, mine can), and we only have 2 scum left.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Also, I may be wrong on Klazam-town according to The Voices™. I'll have to look into some things over the next few days...If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Probably repeating myself at parts here, but meh:
mith's been putting in enough effort to where my suspicions of him have vanished and he is not a viable lynch for today.
Llamarble is leaning town due to VCA, although he does kind of mimic me in 414, which reflexively pings my scumdar a bit."Yeah she was on DGB's wagon, but she was hammer and there wasn't a significant challenger-wagon, which has me leaning toward 1 on 1 off."
Buuut like I said in 384, look at VCAs 9/10/11. Assume scum!Marble. He was first on Thor, and DGB switched to Thor before hammer (thus during Marble's semi-V/LA). This makes Thor lean town, WIFOM aside, and why would DGB vote for Thor knowing her buddy was on the wagon? It'd put too much pressure on an already suspicious Marble. Not seeing it.
Thorscum isn't ruled out by this observation, but his early vote on the DGBwagon practically clears him.
In addition, Equi is NOT scum, guys. Scum wouldn't bus their buddy so hard in White Flag because it'd be way too much pressure on the following days. That's not to say they wouldn't bus, however...
Now, what I don't like about Klazam is that he either had his vote down or on Socio during all of D1. However, I honestly don't see why scum!Klazam would vote Socio with DGB being first on wagon and him being third. I can see why he's suspicious, but I still don't think he's a viable lynch for today due to the fact that I can't see two buddies BWing together that early.
Remember, if we ML three times, we're in 3:2 LYLO. So we have four lynches to hit scum - if you guys want to waste a lynch on Klazam to make sure he's not scum, fine. But it does lessen our already great chances at winning this game quickly, so leave him alone for today. Now, if we mislynch today we won't exactly qualify for a Best Town Performance Scummy so THEN we can lynch Klazam.
To sum up, ignoring mith/Marble/Thor/Equi/Klazam as viable lynches. Leaving out myself, obviously. ChrisB still gets the newbpass given the type of game we're in.
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Even if you throw Klazam back into the mix, we have 4 MLs to lynch 2 scum in this group of 5. In other words, this is practically auto-win. However:
DGB(7):Socio,Thor,IP,Equinox, Sotty,mith, Sevei
We lynch Sevei first.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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EBWOP:
Now, what I don't like about Klazam is that he either didn't have his vote down or had it on Socio during all of D1.
Accidentally some words.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Equinox wrote:Sorry, InflatablePie. I'm keeping my vote right here.
You know, there's a group of people that thought like you, Equinox, and they were calledNazis! They were close-minded, hate-filled individuals that just wanted everything their way - are you aNazi, Equinox? ARE YOU ANAZI, EQUINOX?BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYNAZISAROUND HERE!
...Good.
Now let me tell you about a group of people that didn't give up... they were calledNazis. They had a crazy plan, too; everybody thought they were nuts. But you know what... they got pretty far, didn't they? Because they were dedicated! And strong! A lot of people said they were crazy... but everybody says that we're crazy, so that gives us a better advantage, doesn't it?!
And don't you let anyone tell you that you can't do it.
So what are you, Equinox? Anazi?
OR ANAZI?!If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Thor665 wrote:@IP - you seem pretty sold on Sevei over DH, why is that? I'd love to have some brilliance shone upon me so that I too can be brilliant.
Because her hammer was justterrible. She basically stalls out to see if the Marblewagon catches on and seems to reluctantly bus her buddy when she does hammer.
I haven't looked into DH after my gutread/attack on him earlier in D1, but at this point we can lynch him afterwards if somehow Sevei flips town. I think as long as we lynch from that group of 4 (5) I posted in 417, it's auto-win (unless I'm somehow wrong on Thor/Marble, but I don't think I am).If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Equinox wrote:Unvote
I'm glad I could persuade you. :DIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Equinox wrote:Town: InflatablePie, Thor665, mith,Sotty7, Chris B
Not that I think Sotty7 is scummy (actually unsure of him at the moment), but could you elaborate on the townread whenever possible?
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Mith, ChrisB, myself, Thor, and Equinox seem to be very close to unanimous townreads from what I've been reading, so I think we can rule out all of us in the possible scumteams pairings.
(is it bad that I feel dirty for asking to be included in this group :<)
Which leaves us with 15 possible pairings from there:
Spoiler: Pairings
Which makes 10 if we take out Marble (doesn't seem to be unanimous, but I've explained why he's town)
Spoiler: Pairings 2
And a mere 6 minus Klazam, who I've also given reasons for being town:
Spoiler: Pairings 3
So feel free to analyze those possibilities on your own.
I'll analyze the possibilities of these six later/eventually/before end-of-day, so let's hold off on any hammer until I can post them, please? I may also analyze the Klazam possibilities, if only because he's a shaky read of mine.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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Oh:
Sevei (4): IP, Thor, Llamarble, Equinox
DH (2): mith, Sotty
Llamarble (1): Sevei
mith (1): LlamaFluff
Not Voting: DH, Klazam, ChrisB
Sevei is at L-2.
Gimme at least 48 hours to do some analyzing JUST IN CASE I'm wrong (as well as hear from ChrisB and Sotty who are on V/LA... and the other lurkers, Klazam included) and then we can hammer her.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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@Mod: you have Marble voting for two people. He should be voting for Sevei as of #414
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Fixed, thanks.If you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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LlamaFluff wrote:@mith - You should listen to Ythill more.
Anyways
I think the four lynch pool here is
mith
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Equinox wrote:I know we're in White Flag and all, but the scum still have only 3 mislynches to burn through.
Four. It's 9:2 now - three mislynches just puts us at 3:2 LYLO.
I'm also way too lazy and unmotivated to look at possible groups like I said I would.
Just a friendly reminder that, as a town,if we can narrow down possible scum to 5 or less people, we win.
Sotty7
Klazam
mith
DemonHybrid
Llamarble
LLamaFluff
Sevei
^so if we can all agree on the two most likely town in this group (because the other players seem to be unanimous townreads) we can just chain-lynch from there.
Since I apparently can post this:
zoraster wrote:Rule Clarification: You may talk about completed games as you normally would (e.g. you may now talk about dram's completed game in the other game threads) in the game threads.
...here's another friendly reminder: Ythill, scum, was lynched D1 in dram's game.
Finally, one last friendly reminder that scumcannot busin this current situation.
Marble is town (VCA), mith is town (read his ISOs 21/22 and tell me that doesn't come from town), Klazam is probtown (although debatable, apparently), let's just fucking lynch from Sevei/Fluff/DH/Sotty and we win.
k? kIf you don't know how to lie, then how do you know when you're being lied to?
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