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ToastyToast (4): Kdub, xRECKONERx, LLD, Rhinox
Reckoner (2): Toasty, AntiTown
Cogito Ergo Sum (1): Jahudo
Jahudo (1): CES
This vote count is sexy. We approve.
If Toasty is scum: Remainder is probably somewhere in AT, Jahudo, CES. Almost clears kdub.
If Reckoner is scum: Remainder could be anyone not LLD.
If both are town: One of CES/Jahudo is scum. Guaranteed. Dubs town wagons always seem to work like that.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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BASICALLY THISNachomamma8 wrote:UT:
There's actually a key to reading UT.
ScumUT gives you the feeling that he's average, has a handle on the game, has some sort of direction.
TownUT doesn't let you know where the fuck he's going, seems to care more about snark than anything else, usually stuck in perpetual catchup.
This is town UT.
My god man, I spent an entire game, when I wasn't poking the kitten for jingles, watching UT and figuring out to alienate him from basically everyone in the entire thread. He's perpeptually a day late, a dollar short, and annoying about it.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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On the plus side... I just stole Fate's top of the thread post.
On the minus side, for scum at least, I have decided to take an interest in temporal matters, and thus will be setting aside my pimping ride, awesome hat, and royal we temporarily.
No worries, PopeICE will return.
I think a full claim out of ToastTastic is totally warrented at this point. As I really have no problems hammering.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Meh, forgot about that.
That still irritates me. Scum assassin is an INSANE power. Scum double-voter is an INSANE power. I assume this has to be to counteract everyone in the town getting power roles outside of Nacho, but it's still scum-balanced.
Dear lord I'm surprised if he's scum that the scum didn't push the 'day 1 bounty lynch' idea much harder.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Toasty:So you're basically VT? Like what's the entire role name format?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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This could net us Rhinox scum if I'm right...ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Balls. That's exactly what mine says too.
I was seeing who would say what about it. It's what Rhinox has been stuck on since early day 2.
Opinions, everyone? Mine is that motivators are a weak town power, unbelievably godly scum power. I'm leaning towards toast-town honestly.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Bah. There was a totally awesome hole in there for him to try and push something at Rhinox, and he didn't take it.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:GreyICE wrote:Balls. That's exactly what mine says too.
I was seeing who would say what about it. It's what Rhinox has been stuck on since early day 2.
Opinions, everyone? Mine is that motivators are a weak town power, unbelievably godly scum power. I'm leaning towards toast-town honestly.
Grey, you realize that Fate is almost 100% to give flavor proof fake claims right?
So it's likely that this "motivator" power doesn't even exist.
Don't base your speculation off his claim. Base it off his play. And his play says he's scum.
I admit it's not quite as bullet proof as Rhinox who spent all of day 2 kicking my claim because of that one word, which I find just really unlikely for scum to do - for the most part, they just don't even give a shit about their fakeclaims.
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You didn't immediately jump on it, which would have resulted in a hammer landing on your head.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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And I'm also amused that my purpose in this game seems to be to torture RhinoxShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Dude, Anti, we've like established that the bounties are going to be for scum fakeclaims, not realclaims.
Because otherwise each and every bounty confirms one townie. Which would be totally ridiculous. I'm sticking to that theory unless and until we see a RDC bounty.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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I have an opinion on the case.Antitown wrote:Fate might have balanced this game for the possible breakage you're talking about, ice. So far we've seen really weak town bounties and a really strong scum bounty.
But it's not that important. That's all you had to say about the case I cobbled together?
I feel no need to share it. Happy watching things progress.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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ThisxRECKONERx wrote:Alright guys I'm back in town, but today is filled with catching up on homework and running errands. Slight possibility of me posting content tonight, but if not, tomorrow for sure.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Given that like approximately nothing happened day 2... yes.xRECKONERx wrote:Yep, gonna be tonight - maybe I'll get something up during class. Let me ask this: is D1 really, really important to read? Because if I could cut D1 out of my reread, it would save me OODLES of time.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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So damn tempted, you have no idea...Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Last minute Jahudowagon is go!ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Screw it
Screw claims, screw flavor, screw night action.
No matter how much I look at day 2 and 3, Jahudo is scummier than Toasty.
And it hurts me to say that, as cool as it would be to 3 for 3 the reads day 1.
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Maybe Toasty is scum. But I tossed him a branch while he was drowning - a way to claim to have a similar role PM to me and implicate Rhinox, and he chooses to true-claim his role name.
He sits here at L-1 and says Antihero, who barely posts, makes good arguments.
And fails to call CES scummy, just... CES. Three posts under a long, well thought out post arguing to vote for Jahudo, he says he thinks Jahudo is town still.
He could be scum resigned to his fate. He's worth flipping.
But nothing Jahudo has done since day 1 has made a lick of sense.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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SO WE TRADED UT FOR AGM? DAY GOT BETTER
TLDR:
Vi = Scum
GreyICE = Confirmed Town
Jahudo situation = WEIRD. Like beyond my usual level of weird
Would love sudden opinions on Kdub, Jahudo, Toasty, LLD (hey, you were in LyLo with her) and CES. Leave out the last two if you're lacking timeShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Actually, given proximity to deadline, Jahudo and Toasty, you can read more overnight.
TLDR: Jahudo
I claimed 1-shot investigate, UK confirmed my role was 100% town. I mentioned Red Dragon Clan was scum.
SUDDENLY a wild Seraphim appeared and claimed to be Vicious. We speculated he was a miller.
THEN a wild VI (caps intentional this time <3) appeared and claimed to be an actual miller who hadn't claimed at start of day
THEN a wild Jahudo appeared and claimed to be a miller who as a bounty power wasn't a miller anymore
THEN Seraphim unclaimed Vicious, and claimed Spike, third-party Vicious lyncher.
After that, shit got weird.
PEDIT: Basically the above.
Except the 'no mention of RDC' is weird and insane since RDC is definitely scum, the role claim is unusual, the miller flavor is poor, and a bounty power not to be a miller is 100% pointless whereas a bounty power of 'godfather' makes lots of sense.
Also Nacho had an amazing case on Jahudo. Guess who speedhammered Vi before the case could be presented, and guess who died overnight despite lurking like fuck.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Well there's the insane part where he just has ninja quickhammered two days in a row. And... at this point his ISO is an artwork. Including not voting forthe person he was counterclaimingand futzing about questioning other suspects until he quickhammered day 2. If I had to bet, the QT does basically look like:
Vi: "Jahudo, CC me and then I'll get you lynched and I'll be confirmed town miller."
Jahudo: "Dude, that's kinda dumb."
Vi: "Oh come on, that herp ICE just got confirmed town and he's sworn to come after me, and so has LLD. And you can distract ICE, but neither love nor money can stray the Lady from a tunnel."
Jahudo: "Fine. Make the best out of my sacrifice."
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THREAD:
Vi: "I'm a miller with a bounty bonus of one shot hider"
Jahudo: "I'm a miller with a bounty bonus of not being a miller. I waited to claim until late day 1 because I wanted to see if I could get my bounty power (which requires a lynch). But I was going to totally claim before the end of day 1!"
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{ACTUAL DAMN EXPLANATION FOR NOT IMMEDIATELY CLAIMING MILLER AT DAYSTART}
Seraphim: "I'm a magical lyncher who wins any time Vicious dies, even if you lynch him. And if you lynch me I get a vengeful kill. And I don't 'beautiful princess' your town by leaving the thread, I get to stick around after I lynch successfully. And I might get access to really cool powers."
Jahudo: "..."
Vi: "..."
Town: "..."
Day 2
Vi: "Yes let us end this!"
GreyICE: "Yes, lets. My 'investigate?' It's a 1-shot hider ability. And it turns out I misread my role PM, it's a bounty power. You're double counterclaimed."
Vi: "Well Fate just isn't very imaginative. He probably ran out of bounty powers and recycled them."
Town: "..."
Scum QT: "..."
Vi, in QT: "... Fuck. Jahudo, you're now confirmed town instead of me! Hammer for glory and carry on!"
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Toasty:
"Seraphim is obvscum!"
"Okay Seraphim isn't obvscum because GreyICE is really scummy for attacking him."
"Well if we lynch either Seraphim or GreyICE and they flip town we should line up the next lynch."
"LAWL GreyICE suspects obvtown Vi because he is so scummy scumbag McScummer. Lemme not comment on anything Vi is doing in the thread."
"Lemme avoid the miller debate like it has EBOLA HERPES"
Seraphim: "IMMA JESTER"
Toasty: "..."
Day 2
"Vote: GreyICE" despite UK flipping town Ex-Lover bodyguard, me claiming to be UK's flavor ex-lover. Oh, and me being the bounty for the day.
"GreyICE is obvscum."
"Err... okay, not even CES is buying this one anymore."
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SEE AGM, the part where it falls apart is the claim order went like this:
<<Thread opens March 7th>>
<<March 16th>> GreyICE: I'm a 1-shot cop. I investigate people and discover if they're members of the RDC"
Next 48 Hours:
Seraphim: "I'm a RDC member, and I totally am town."
Town: "Did he just claim Miller?"
Vi: "NO CAUSE I'M THE MILLER OBV"
Jahudo: "Yeah, no I'm the miller."
Toasty: "If you get any sort of guilty, you could be fakeclaiming scum, we might have to consider lynching you to test it."
Notes
Toasty = GreyICE suspect #1
Vi = GreyICE suspect #2
Jahudo = Nachomamma8 Suspect #1
It has crossed my mind these competing wagons are scum/scum...
Oh yeah, for bonus, CES:
Day 1:
Vi: "I suspect x!"
CES: "Vote X"
Vi: "I suspect y!"
CES: "Vote: y!"
Vi: "CES, I see what you're doing. Vote Z"
CES: "Vote Z"
Vi: "CES is obvtown."
Town: "WUT"
Day 2
GI: "I dubs counterclaim Vi"
Rhinox: "I is caught up in flavor, vote GI"
Toasty: "That makes sense, vote GI"
CES: "VOTE GI"
LLD and Antihero etc. explain to them that they're either scum or have rocks for brains
CES: "Not a bad point, I can see the protown motives of not claiming a hider as a hider so the scum have all the incentive in the world to find your breadcrumbs and if you hid behind town go for a 2-for-1 on the night kill."
CES: "Vote: Jahudo because he counterclaimed obvtown Vi."
Vi: "Right on my obvtown buddy!"
CES: *GRIN*
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Actually I don't mind the fresh perspective.
I can't really see a downside to killing Toasty and CES here.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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And I'm a horrible evil gambiting monster as town too.
I mean we basically sunk Vi with my fearsome power role: "Vanilla townie." And probably at least one more of the scumteam to boot
Although I'd love to take all the credit, but that's basically 30% dumb luck, 20% raw incompetence, and 50% me playing exactly scummily enough to be forced into claim range Day 1 without playing anywhere near scummily enough that anyone would consider hammering after the claim.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Toasty:
*Voted with Vi all of day 1 // was supported by Vi day 1
*Wanted to chain Seraphim's lynch and my lynch (note: neither of us was RDC scum, although Seraphim was 3rd party - which had to be unknown to scumteam)
*Reaction to Cop claim:
--Suggested RDC was not scum
----When that fell apart (thanks to Vi, ironically)...
--Suggested lynching me if I got a guilty. Note, he was #1 suspect, therefore most likely person for me to investigate.
Day 2:
Voted me over Vi
Waited until late to bus.
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AGM YOU BEAUTIFUL DIAMOND
I COULD LEARN TO LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK
Notes: Toasty was voting seraphim before he 'unvoted to avoid quicklynch.'Vi (2):Jahudo,Nachomamma
Lady Lambdadelta (5): Untrod Tripod, Antitown,UncertainKitten,CES,Seraphim
Seraphim (4): Kdub,Vi,GreyICE,Ladyλδ
Nachomamma (1):RhinoxVote Count
Lady Lambdadelta (4): Antitown, CogitoES,Seraphim,Nachomamma
GreyICE (3): ToastyToast, Rhinox,Vi
ToastyToast (1): Untrod Tripod
Untrod Tripod (1): Jahudo
Seraphim(4): Kdub,GreyICE,Ladyλδ,UncertainKitten
Three major wagons:Jahudo (1): Nachomamma
GreyICE (5): ToastyToast, Rhinox,Vi,CogitoES,Seraphim(L-2)
ToastyToast (2): Untrod Tripod,GreyICE
Untrod Tripod (2): Jahudo, Antitown
Seraphim (2): Kdub, Ladyλδ,UncertainKitten
1) LLD
LLD/Seraphim: Vi wobbles publicly in thread several times before heading towards Seraphim. If scumteam was supporting instead of bussing, that means there was at least one scum on LLD wagon.
UK confirmed town, Seraphim confirmed 3rd party, UT confirmed dunce (he flaked for about a week with an RVS vote still on LLD),
Scum in: {CES, Kdub}
2) Seraphim
Thanks to several swift kicks, Vi declares LLD 'obvtown.'
3) GreyICE
Toasty moves from Seraphim to GreyICE, declares one of the two MUST be scum.
Vi more or less gently agrees, moves to GreyICE
CES moves to GreyICE
4) Claim, confirmed town:
CES: Fires to Jahudo with NachoJahudo (2):Nachomamma,CogitoES
GreyICE (2): ToastyToast,Seraphim
ToastyToast (3): Untrod Tripod,GreyICE,Vi
Untrod Tripod (2): Jahudo, Antitown
Seraphim (3): Kdub, Ladyλδ, UncertainKitten (L-4)
Vi: Fires to Toasty, briefly.
THEN TO SERAPHIM. NEVER EVEN MENTIONS THE TOAST AGAIN.Jahudo (2): Nachomamma, CogitoES
GreyICE (2): ToastyToast,Seraphim
ToastyToast (2): Untrod Tripod,GreyICE
Untrod Tripod (1): Antitown
Seraphim(4): Kdub, Ladyλδ, UncertainKitten,Vi(L-3)
TOASTY REFUSES TO UNVOTE DESPITE URGING FROM ViVi (2): Jahudo,Seraphim
Jahudo (2):Nachomamma,CogitoES
GreyICE (1):ToastyToast
ToastyToast (2): Untrod Tripod,GreyICEUntrod Tripod (1): Antitown
Seraphim (3): Kdub, Ladyλδ,UncertainKitten (L-4)
Vi: It's stupid to leave your vote on confirmed town
Toasty: But it's scummy to move it.
Vi: That makes sense, you're not an easy mislynch at all. Carry on, my good sir.
Vi (3):Jahudo,Seraphim,GreyICE(L-4)
Jahudo (2):Nachomamma,CogitoES
GreyICE (1): ToastyToast
ToastyToast (1): Untrod Tripod
Untrod Tripod (1): Antitown
Seraphim (3): Kdub, Ladyλδ,UncertainKitten(L-4)
ME AND NACHO: DON'T LYNCH SERAPHIM HE'S NOT SCUM
TOWN: LAWL WE IS DEAF DUHHHHHHHHH
Vi wagon ENTIRELY SCUM FREEVi (3):Seraphim,GreyICE,Nachomamma
Jahudo (1): CogitoES
ToastyToast (1): Untrod Tripod
Untrod Tripod (1): Antitown
Seraphim (7): Kdub, Ladyλδ,UncertainKitten,Vi,Toasty, Rhinox, Jahudo
MOVED TO SERAPHIM:
Toasty (From GreyICE)
Rhinox (from not voting)
Jahudo (From Vi-scum)
Vi (6):GreyICE,LLD, Toasty, AntiTown, Kdub, Jahudo
Jahudo (2):Vi,CESyou lied about cop, and now you claim HIDER? WTF THATS LIKE THE SCUMMIEST--ugh, not to mention one-shot hider, which makes no sense at all.
seriously, there are only two options:
1)You're purposely playing stupid so we can get bounty rewards
2)Scum
this means: quite a safe lynch. And we lynched a 3rd partyD1--nothing wrong with that.
I wish we could ask kitten if her role info changes with his new claim :/
@Kdub: her death could be strategic on scum's part. We can't ask her if her opinion on GreyICE has changed.
Question for GreyICE: UK said her role-info suggested you were town. Did you have role info that suggested she was town?
I'm also willing to vote Vi/Jahudo, but still, GreyICE...#@!*#*(*$&(*#*$#
HAHA
IS IT THAT EASY?
TOASTY?
CES?
IS IT JUST THAT?
Did Professor Paragon decide to see what happens when a scumteam ties itself up in a nice little bow with me, UK, and LLD making sure that shit never stays predictable, Nacho there to eat the souls of those who trip up, and Jahudo throwing down the critical triprope?
The depature from my wagon - the perfect scum peony blossom
Vi goes to the motherwagon
CES goes to Jahudo
Toasty can't peony blossom to anywhere without sheeping one of his scumteam, or inventing a new possible lynch target!
Toasty posts from that era:
ToastyToast wrote:I've just spent the last day playing DA2, and then I see...all of this.
GAWDAMMIT WHY'D YOU HAVE TO SEEM SO SCUM GREYICE?! If Seraphim flips town, I'm still going to be suspicious. And if it turns out you are scum, then that's one good fake-claim. I would be more helpful right now but I'm brain-dead atm.ToastyToast wrote:I will not remove my vote from you today, and my vote will go on you again tomorrow unless significant evidence points elsewhere
</3ToastyToast wrote:
IF you mean the GreyICE claim, I'll believe it when he investigates. Its his choice WHO to investigate, but I want to hear the result.UncertainKitten wrote:@Toasty: Reaction to my claim. Now.
Also, I'm not today's bounty. I was expecting it to be me early, however, based on lore.
Vi's recent vote on me is...WTF.ToastyToast wrote:
If we are to believe seraphim's claim, then when he reaches his wincon, he becomes a confirmed townie with the ability to keep all his powers. What does keeping him around get us? Today has largely become about who the bad guys are. The mix of all the claims so far makes the game unbelievable. We have millers,Nachomamma8 wrote:Toasty what are you talking about with the lyncher comment?and a lyncher. I understand how the miller thing could be a throw-off for town, but the lyncher seems...out of place to me.a one-shot cop who may not even be investigating scum,
I agree with this. Lynching Seraphim has the least drawbacks at this point. We either take out a third party that could be aiming for town or lynch scum. On the offchance that he's trying to lynch scum, we find out exactly who we're looking for and use GreyICE's information to take out the red dragon.UncertainKitten wrote: Lynching one of the millers directly at this point is a suboptimal strategy since you're pretty much proven not town. We win regardless of your flip given our parameters. Further, your flip provides ~*~informations~*~ that lead to scum, whether it's your buddy or unrelated to you.
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Possibility: CES is just scummy enough to be scum.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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And what, scum are LLD and Antihero?Rhinox wrote:GREYICE TELL ME WHO TO VOTE I'M SO LOST NOW!
Jahudo miller claim seems more likely town than scum.
Toasty seems scummy but claim and recent posts maybe seem more town.
CES is playing to be unreadable but comes out of the woodwork to go apeshit on jahudo doesn't seem to make sense if CES-scum/Jahudo-town.
OMG WHAT IF NONE OF THEM ARE SCUM?
We're probably fucked.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Oh for fucks sake, this is Jahudo's first post in the thread. I have a wallpost incoming, but lets just highlight this:
Jahudo... that's quite the motherfucking coincidence.So Vi we meet again. Wait a second, Vi... vi.. vicious !!!ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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No dude.Antitown wrote:
Wait, LLD and I are on the scumlist above AGM and kdub?GreyICE wrote:
And what, scum are LLD and Antihero?Rhinox wrote:GREYICE TELL ME WHO TO VOTE I'M SO LOST NOW!
Jahudo miller claim seems more likely town than scum.
Toasty seems scummy but claim and recent posts maybe seem more town.
CES is playing to be unreadable but comes out of the woodwork to go apeshit on jahudo doesn't seem to make sense if CES-scum/Jahudo-town.
OMG WHAT IF NONE OF THEM ARE SCUM?
We're probably fucked.
What are you smoking, because I want some.
Top of my town list is LLD
You're THE entry under it.
If the two of you are scum together, we'd be fucked. Got it? Town could notPOSSIBLYwin. That being said, that is totally, utterly, 100% impossible, and I will just make chess's fish slapping picture my avatar if that is actually the case.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Lemme show you something
I usually see this in larger games, but it's a classic, classic maneuver I call the peony blossom (off an attack in a silly system called Exalted). It basically occurs when a wagon that most or all (in smaller games) of the scum team were on becomes totally, utterly non-viable in every single way (claim kills all hope of there being a lynch). It's the best sort of swarm behavior, because everyone acts independently.
Town, in this instance, reread with the knowledge that someone is confirmed town, and change their minds accordingly. Scum have a slightly different motivation. They want to encourage wagons on likely looking non-scum targets.
Lets examine the critical vote count, when I'm at L-1 (fate ISO #24)
Now Seraphim is not town, is not acting town, but to the scumteam, he's just another mislynch waiting to happen (weirdass BS did NOT occur yet). So for scum purposes, he's green.
Ladyλδ stated categorically I'm town. No explanation or questions. How the FUCK does scum LLD hammer me and have me flip town after that? It's not even possible, it's suicide. Ignoring everything else that LLD has done, the wagon on her that was clearly scum driven, the tunnel, the fact confirmed town nacho and me have a strong, strong townread on her, that should sell you on LLD town.
kdub states that he thinks I'm town. He's less certain, but again he'd have a lot of trouble moving towards me or hammering, and he questions the movement and votes quite heavily (and as we know, they were scum driven - Vi was VERY happy with my wagon).
UT - again, town read on him and AGM. Reckoner doesn't have the time for mafia and has been thinking of quitting, it's a null tell on his part. I'd say he actually would have it easier playing scum. And lets face it, the conclusion that the Toasty ISO is scummy is, well... pretty damn correct.
AT reads town.
Anyway, the peony blossom.
Critical Vote counts:
Spoiler:
Even by the standards of the very bad scum game Vi was playing, that was a miserable vote.
But anyway, votes (considering only non-confirmed):
Vi - moves to Toasty
CES - moves to Jahudo
Rhinox - moves to not voting
Toasty - stays fixed.
Spoiler:
Now what was happening in the thread?DEADLINE
Not only was Vi wagon starting to take off, look who wanted a piece. Nacho was happy for Vi blood. LLD wanted Vi lynched 'next' and most certainly would have compromised on a Vi lynch at end of day. UK wan't overwhelmed with Vi either, and me and her were sparring over the vote change - it could have easily been a UK movement.
UK, Nacho, and LLD moving to Vi-wagon would have meant day 1 scum lynch on Vicious, thus enabling whatever BSery Seraphim did, AS WELL as costing the scum team a member on the first day.
That's a potential game ender right there. Certainly the scum team would be hard pressed to recover.
Last 4 votes on the wagon
Vi, Toasty, Rhinox, Jahudo
I can assure you two of those are scum,at least.
Of them, the overlap between my wagon and Seraphims:
Toasty, Rhinox, Vi
That's actually a viable scumteam tbh. I erase 60% of my town read I had on Rhinox, effective naoh.
Toasty is the WORST by far. His vote was sitting on me for zero reason, then he moved for not too much reason. Rhinox comes out looking pretty damn awful on VC, but reread says that he's not that bad at all. He didn't push any wagons short of seraphim, which is actually somewhat pro-town (believe it or not, not trying to lynch someone when you have no idea who scum is is an acceptable town-tell in my book).
CES comes out looking like the designated 'scum off the wagon.'
Jahudo just looks like scum. If you close your eyes on power roles, claims, etc., and read the damn thread, he's scummy as all fucking hell.Seraphlynch is dumb.
AGM is like Fate, they love to mock me and tell me my scumreads are town for amazingly bad meta reasons. Because NO ONE on this planet has ever changed their scumgame up or something.
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The Seraphlynch was dumb. We're in 100% agreement.
Unfortunately, you were voting Jahudo at the time. If you'd been voting Vi, frankly you'd be pretty town in my eyes (pushing a scum case over a non-scum one). Jahudo was just not going to happen though, and... why the fuck did you have such a strong town read on Vi anyway?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Okay, scumpair possibilities, in order.
First and Last VC of Day 2:
Vi(6):GreyICE,LLD, Toasty, AntiTown, Kdub, Jahudo
Jahudo (2):Vi, CES
Lady Lambdadelta (0):
GreyICE (1): RhinoxToasty-CES
I'm fine with this one, but I'll be honest. Vi's treatment of CES still reminds me of town walking around a landmine. That being said, if Jahudo is town, and Toasty is scum today makes a fuckton of sense for scum CES. This entire game makes a fuckton of sense for scum CES.
Toasty-Jahudo
Feel this one less strongly after looking at VCs. But it makes Jahudo's refusal to hammer today make 100% sense.
Toasty-Rhinox
I admit to not having much of a town read on Rhinox anymore. Looking at the VC alone, it's really bad scum play.
And Vi chided me strongly for my Rhinox vote which, if we're assuming a 'don't bus, stick together' policy (which a massive unity between scumreads and votes is indicating),' well, that makes perfect sense. I mean what, I put Rhinox at L-6 at that point and Vi called me out? Could have been looking for another mislynch, but... I'd almost forgotten that.
That is just really odd. CES-Jahudo being town on town would be consistent with their level of play this game.
Jahudo - UT/AGM/Reckoner
This makes some serious sense if I'm totally honest. I have to many of my town reads out the window, but c'est la vie.
Jahudo-CES
I'll be honest. There's a strong sentiment in this town that CES should be some flavor of dead. If his play today was to come out and bus his buddy, that's psychotic. Not 'ballsy,' psychotic.
Toasty-Kdub or Jahudo-Kdub
Kdub honestly makes sense as the scum anchor of the Jahudo wagon for toasty partner, or with Jahudo and his activity level this game has been... non-optimal. We've all forgotten about him
I put this about where I put everything else not too much worth worrying about. If you slice and dice everyone else, look at him, I guess.
SCUM
Toasty
Jahudo
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CES
Rhinox
Kdub
AGM
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AntiTown
LLD
TOWN
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Number of times you voted for Vi: Zero
Number of times your vote followed Vi's: Seraphim wagon, GreyICE wagon, Seraphim wagon part 2, Jahudo wagon day 2.
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CES, I think that you should battle this out day 3. Jahudo's play has been so epically terribly scummy that I'd almost rather lynch him than Toasty, but every bit of logical analysis I do says that Toasty is scum and needs to be the lynch today, because if he's town,
1) he's a shitty VT with a shitty bounty power (it's not even guarenteed to hit town, it's worse than mine ffs, and mine's a weak cop with upside)
2) his day 1 play was so bad and scummy that's its ridiculous
3) his remaining on me despite not thinking I was scum was so weird even Vi called him on it.
4) Vi's vote was so, so, so distancing/bussing if a Toasty wagon took off, and so not 'scum trying to push a case on a townie'
5) When Vi wagon started to get serious he found time to vote Seraphim.
6) ...
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And CES - you know why Toasty scum and Jahudo town looks really bad for you given today.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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You're right. That's really scummy of me!Lady Lambdadelta wrote:GreyICE wrote:CES, I think that you should battle this out day 3. Jahudo's play has been so epically terribly scummy that I'd almost rather lynch him than Toasty, but every bit of logical analysis I do says that Toasty is scum and needs to be the lynch today, because if he's town,
1) he's a shitty VT with a shitty bounty power (it's not even guarenteed to hit town, it's worse than mine ffs, and mine's a weak cop with upside)
2) his day 1 play was so bad and scummy that's its ridiculous
3) his remaining on me despite not thinking I was scum was so weird even Vi called him on it.
4) Vi's vote was so, so, so distancing/bussing if a Toasty wagon took off, and so not 'scum trying to push a case on a townie'
5) When Vi wagon started to get serious he found time to vote Seraphim.
6) ...
No, enough, he gets lynched today. You and Jahudo duke it out tomorrow,
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Fuck CES is so much more town than Jahudo. Read the ISOs people.
Vi was planning this miller bullshit from the first post. Breadcrumbing miller.
I love the question: "Did you really think I'd plan a complex miller breadcrumb as scum from the first thing day 1?"
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Works for me.
Vote: ToastyToast
GreyICE (6): ToastyToast, Rhinox, Vi, CogitoES, Seraphim, UncertainKitten
There's at least 2 scum on this wagon
Seraphim (7): Kdub, Ladyλδ, UncertainKitten, Vi, Toasty, Rhinox, Jahudo
There's at least two and possibly three scum on this wagon, guaranteed.
Jahudo - CES has a strong town intent in many of his posts.
You exist to irritate me, WIFOM me, and generally drive me insane.
But toast needs to be dead. This day has stagnated partially because Toasty is so scummy and we're just not sure he's scum. The flip determine things.
If Toasty is town:
Jahudo Partners:
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Toasty, I did my best not to push the town around today and left it so you'd get honest reads. I saved my analysis for the end of the day. You hit L-1 with very little input from me. That says to me that most of the town wants to lynch you. I blew nothing out of proportion. You've just played poorly. Assuming you're town and this isn't post-flip WIFOM, because that's always fun
I'll note Rhinox did much what you did in the CES-Vi blossom (unvoted with no vote). Your way was just scummier TBH.
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I swear unto god, if I was a vigilante, it'd just be "vi n1, Jahudo n2..."ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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I've seen more scum miller claims.
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As a miller I'd suggest something like, in the first five posts of the thread going:
"Hai guyz, I is miller. My name is Glen, I was the commander of X until I was framed by Vicious, and now I'm on the run."
etc. etc. etc.
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*twitch*
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damn it, if we get two more in here in the next hour we could wagon hop to Jahudo, I'm pretty sure Toasty thought he had been hammered (which... I thought I hammered him, so...)ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Or CES!
Or AGM, but I don't feel that good about that oneShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Lets see. I'm pretty sure Toasty would be game, and we have you and me. And CES, but he was already voting. That's four.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:GreyICE wrote:damn it, if we get two more in here in the next hour we could wagon hop to Jahudo, I'm pretty sure Toasty thought he had been hammered (which... I thought I hammered him, so...)
You assume that, but he could be more observant than we are. >.>
But I'm willing to do a Jahudo lynch.
Do we have enough people?
If we really twilight hop to scum from town in the last hour of the day I'm nominating us for a... something.
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Hmm, AGM is frequently on 10-11ish. He's expressed strong reservations about Jahudo though which boil down to lolmeta.
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I mean I admit the damn vote count analysis hurt my eyes on Rhinox, but... was it just that?
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Ugh. Gonna agree with the Fish here.
Vote: Jahudo
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Whether this day last minute derails a scum lynch, or last minute causes one, it's gonna be fairly legendary.
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Vi, Toasty, Rhinox, Jahudo
Those are the votes that took Seraphim from L-4 to Lynch on day 1 with Vi wagon building steam.
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For your team maybe!ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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JAHUDO
REALLY
WHO SAYS THE RIGHT LYNCH WAS A DAMN LYNCHER WHO WOULD HAVE LEFT THE THREAD OVER THE SCUM ASSASSIN?
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Damn, you mean Seraphim could have achieved his win condition and left the thread?
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Ohhh you tease. "That Nacho shot feels like the Mina shot, doesn't it?"
Are you fucking with me here LLD?
If you wanna get me mislynched, gonna have to do better than that.
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'cept I know a player who once took confirmed town into 2:1 LyLo over a replacement for a chronic lurker who had just lead a devastating mislynch and misvig.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Meta from UK? No.
I'm keeping my confirmed town status because of this:
UncertainKitten, Jet Black, Ex-Lover Bodyguard [Protector] was killed N1.
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Or it's a bodyguard ability that works on her Ex-lover. AKA me.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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