Time Travel Mafia (Game Over)
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/confirm
Please tell me I'm not the only one who needs to read the rules another 27 times?-
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VOTE: Exe
OMGUS.
Grey, I have the feeling it's going to be the latter. I read the rules and the potential for mindfuck is astoundingly immense.
Also if you really erased mist from history, then.... <3-
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Uh... No. Rolefishing much?
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Well no real doctor would do that, but I still view it as rolefishing. Time for real vote though.
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Spitekilling is no fun, Exe.
I beat you fair and square.
Well, mabe spitekilling is a little fun...
But it doesn't serve a town wincon, either.-
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Blah blah blah, one lynch vote doesn't send us automatically into nomination phase; nomination phase doesn't end immediately.
I voted for lynch because I do have a clear scum candidate and didn't see the harm in one person voting lynch.
Kcdaspot's "joke" is anti-town any way you toss it; it's rolefishing and no real doctor would do it, confirming he's not the doctor for scum if there is one. I don't think town would have done such a thing.
Policy lynch only when absolutely necessary; lynch lurkers only if suspected scum and/or before lylo; lynch liars only when the lie seems scum motivated.
Played with a bunch of people, including Tragedy, GreyICE, Exe, RC and don't remember who else from the playerlist.
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I did re-read the rules and noticed the 48 hours nomination phase rule. Woops. Missed that one.
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Oh, forgot.
VOTE: No Lynch
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I got the reference but you definitely did not need to nameclaim "The Doctor" to make a Doctor Who joke.-
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No. L2 read. That particular vote could be face value or it could be scum motivated.
There's not much suspicious to get out of pre-game, but the moment I enter the thread I start playing the game.-
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Doombunny: it is true that no town member would make the joke if he/she thought about the implications.
I am forced to consider the idea that kcda just didn't think about it, esp with his more recent posts.
At present, that joke was still the shadiest thing to happen all game and I'll stick with my FoS on himM-
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I didn't get it immediately but I eventually figured it out.
I knew it was some sort of joke, but that means nothing to what I am actually saying, if anyone would care to actually read it.-
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I figured it out before he brought it up, obviously...
And when did I criticize grey for clarifying the rules...?
I have read the rules several times, but to fiz them in my memory will take awhile.-
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RC: it took me a COUPLE OF MINUTES to get the joke. There was considerably more time between that and the post you're bawwing about.
Ghostwriter: Why can't you just iso me? I have already explained it. By saying he is some sort of doctor (because someone with the namclaim of doctor would likely also have a doctor role) he has told everyone, including scum, that he is NOT the doctor, because no real dopctor would do that. Scum often go doctor-hunting, and now they know that kcda isn't a doctor.
Additionally, he could have been fishing for a counterclaim even if a doctor would be dumb to CC.
I think those were his intentions and he purposefully cloaked it in a joke.
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Also, Grey, please elaborate on ranger.
P-edit: he could be. But it was a scummy thing to do. I'm not totally sold on kcda-scum, but that action itself was scummy. Period.-
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So? I have him as null leaning scum. I see no lynchable offenses there.-
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Doombunny:
Why would I push for someone's lynch based solely off of one post?
I wanted to note clearly that that particular post of kcdaspot's was scummy.
If, by the end of the day, he has earned enough townpoints to overweigh that scummy post, he won't be scummy overall to me.
How is that a hard concept? It's like basic play.-
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Right now, kcda has done the single scummiest thing in the game. However, all of his OTHER posts have looked fairly town to me so far.
After him, I would pick Ranger of the North for his post where he basically said "lol i'mma do something scummy but i'm telling you first so it's okay." But that's weak, too.
Overall, I feel we don't have much content to work with, yet; the overwhelming majority of posts have been talk about set-up clarification.-
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How am I wishy washy? You think it's smart to tunnel on someone for one post alone?-
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You implied it; I assumed you were piggybacking off of doombunny's comments that I was leaving a back door or something.Exe wrote:
^^Amrun wrote:Overall, I feel we don't have much content to work with, yet;
Did I in any way say this was the case?Amrun wrote:You think it's smart to tunnel on someone for one post alone?
What does the little content comment have to do with anything? It's true.
Smargaret: due to your most recent posts, you are actually battling for 1st place with kcdaspot. You for not pursuing your supposed top concern at all, hhim for the scummy post and buddying me pretty hard afterwards. Ranger third for previously stated reasons.
Kcda still leans scummiest, but it'sstill not a super strong scum read. There is not enough content yet from alll the players to judge pproperly.
Ghostwriter, not going to follow up at all after you asked me a question and I answered?-
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Him insisting repeatedly that I'm town is distancing, not buddying? Lolwut?
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No. Comprehension fall.
I know smargaret thinks I am distancing kcdaspot.
I gave buddying to me as a reason I suspect kcdaspot in response to a question by smargaret.
In the non-existent reality where kcdaspot is on the same scum team with me, he is not distancing at all and if you think so then I don't know what to say.
His intense buddying is a reason I suspect him, as townbuddying is quite common amongst scum.-
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@grey: it's cute how wrong you are, but I don't need to give my scumreads again. Read the thread.-
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RC, I voted for Kcdaspot, but votes don't count towards lynch in this game. It's effectively an FoS and I don't see a problem with doing that.
Also, I fail to see how asking a direct question of Exe is WIFOM.-
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Dropping your accusation of me, Grey? Was it some sort of test?-
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If I failed your little test, then why have you failed to address me again?
That's hardly an effective way to scumhunt.
And since I have apparently already failed, care to explain how one would pass a test with a loaded question such as that?-
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I was out of state at a conference thos weekend, so my attention hasn't been the highest.
I have given a scumlist and questioned my candidates. Not sure what else you would expect me to do, nor do I care.
Ranger of the north, how do you expect to move the game along? Can you rephrase your case on doombunny?-
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To clarify, ranger, how is questioning people's theories separate from scumhunting?-
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The irony here is immense. I can't say more than that.
However, I've re-read doombunny and I can see that case.
I'd like to see ranger's, kcda's, and doombunny's lists asap.
P-edit: Grey, you're ridiculous. Try explaining. Also, your first statement contradicts with your second statement.
Exe: I actually do play mostly the same. Consider in that game, everyone was so convinced I was town until I threw my advantage away in a tactical power play on purpose and still never got executed. You're running dangerously close to calling looking town a scumtell. Ironically, I have been better in my scum games than in my town games... My completed town games are earlier and therefore not as reliable, but knock yourself out.-
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Exe: okay, fair enough. I think you're editing history a little, but it's not important. The point is that the consensus was that I was most people's TOP townread. Fact. Get over it. It has little to do with this game anyway. You brought it up.
My point was: go right ahead and check my meta. My wiki is missing a couple of completed games, but it's a good starting point at least.
Smargaret: As for this game, I've already listed my top suspects. That is my list. No need to do it again.-
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Okay, Exe. I think you need to take a step back from failing to get me killed in the other game, but I understand the psychology of it. I also have kind of played like shit so far in this game, so I get it. I really am town, though. I tend to suck early game as town. I don't know why. This is something I really need to work on.
smargaret: It hasn't fluctuated all that much, in reality. Doombunny's made it onto the list. I found it really strange how he asked some pointed questions to me but didn't seem to do it from a place that was saying "You are scum" or "kcdaspot is scum." He dropped it after I answered. Your place keeps slipping up and down the list. All in all, not that important. My #1 spot is still kcdaspot. I also see the point on Chronopie, but I'd like to see him post again before I officially give him a spot on my shortlist. I think he probably was just really busy / irl problems and didn't give that much attention when he posted. It could also be scum, and he has my attention, but I want to see more first. He could easily rectify these mistakes in one post.
1. Kcdaspot
2. smargaret
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4. Ranger of the North
There, here's an official list. Not very different.-
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Why me AND kcdaspot, doombunny? That seems inconsistent with your earlier questioning. You asked me questions (fine), got my answer, and then was basically like, "Okay, I get that."-
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Because his supposed stances are inconsistent.
kcdaspot and I are OBVIOUSLY not scum together. I mean, seriously. It should be obvious.
If people are going to pick one or the other of us as scum, okay -- even if it's me. I understand it. But both of us? No. That needs to be extensively justified, if so.-
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So, my point is, Tragedy ... Yes, he agreed with me and therefore slipped off of my radar for awhile, but then I looked back and realized that he was just vaguely throwing suspicion on both of us, and agreeing with someone he finds scummy (me) about suspicion on someone else (kcda). It makes no sense.-
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I did not imply we were both scum. Doombunny and smargaret are implying that.
They're both on my scumlist for it because it makes no sense.-
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To clarify, to say that both kcdaspot and I are both scum without some sort of extensive explanation as to how this is possible (which I have not seen) is just throwing vague suspicion on the two people that have stirred up the most shit so far and looks very much like opportunistic scum to me.-
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I have explained my position on Chronopie and on you, kcdaspot.
Mist needs to post a LOT more, but Mr. Trow's posts are acceptable to me. He doesn't post that often, but when he does, the content level is pretty high.
RC should go on that lurker list, actually, along with Chronopie himself.-
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No follow up to your questions of me, Tragedy?-
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Smarg for being really unspecific with her suspicions. She says something like, "We should be discussing kcda/Amrun" with no thoughts of her own on the matter, comes back in pages later and rages that no one has answered her non-existent questions on the matter, and then puts us both as scum.
There is a definite possibility that Doombunny > smarg, since at least smarg said she thought I was distancing with kcdaspot. That is some semblance of explanation, albeit a poor one. I said in a previous post that I keep fluctuating on her.
No one has struck me as scummy the way kcdaspot has. His mad buddying to me is the worst, especially with his latest "she's crazy town." He's distancing from his own read, giving himself room to backtrack and act as if he has been browbeaten into lynching me to say, "I KNEW she was town!" later.-
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What about the reasoning don't you like? Why is back and forth bad?
What is the point of FoSing two separate people you don't think are scum together?
If you don't like my reasoning on kcdaspot being scum, why did you agree with mine and proceed to effectively FoS kcdaspot yourself?
Present your unique reasoning on kcdaspot scum, please.-
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I did call him my top scumread, not for making a joke, but whatever. I did that on page 1, so it's not like there was more to add to the case, and it's not like a top scumread at that point means a lot.
He has proceeded to keep making himself suspicious, so he has stayed at the top of my list. I don't see how it's that hard to figure out or how that is scummy in any way shape or form.-
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Would you like to direct me to this supposed "lie?". I don't see it.
Also I didn't mention just you specifically with lurkers. It was still true. Go vGla if you're not available.
I see some of the points against me but not others. All in all, I'm pretty confident I won't be lynched today and that it will be unfortunate for me to be put on the block.-
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So, doombunny, changing your stance now? When I asked you if you thought both kcda ad I were scum, you said no, but you thought one of us was scum. Now, it's "100%" possible we're both scum?-
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RedCoyote, that is not a lie. When I voted for lynch at that point, I didn't realize that once we reached nomination phase, we only had 48 hours. When this was pointed out to me, I immediately unvoted. At the time, I thought if we did not reach a "lynch" consensus by the deadline, no lynch would happen. I have now learned this is not the case.
Even if I had realized this, how does that make it a lie? That makes no sense.
I'd also appreciate if you stopped being so condescending to me. Even if I were terrible scum, which I'm not, or terrible town, which I'm kind of bordering on this game for whatever reason, that does not give you the right to treat me like a child. And like I said, I'm not being lynched today, barring extraordinary scum intervention, even if I get on the chopping block. Take a hint.-
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My vote towards kcdaspot where I said VOTE: Kcdaspot DID NOT count towards a lynch and there is no way you can possibly think it did. Whether or not I voted to Lynch in general after that has nothing to do with the fact that my "vote" towards kcdaspot never counted as a serious vote. I never thought it would.
I think I get what you're going at now, but I didn't at first. I was talking specifically about the "vote" towards kcda. We were talking about different things, I think. Even if you were talking about my Lynch vote, I unvoted it already.
And as for the second part, okay, that's fine then. That is the type of in-game joke I can condone.
But I am not sure how to explain my statement that it's obvious that the argument is not scum v. scum without venturing into WIFOM land. I stand by the statement, but I'm not sure my explanation of it will do much good. All I will say is that I have replaced into a game in which kcdaspot was d1 lynched as scum; therefore, I am well aware of his lack of prowess in a scum slot. That would have greatly informed my decisions, had I been scum. Take that how you will.-
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Would you like to demonstrate how smargaret's list ISN'T just full of easy lynches?
It's one of the main reasons she's on my list.-
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Doombunny: I have, as far as I know. If I have missed someone FoSing us together, I will address it soon. RotN just did, and I ask him the same blanket question I asked everyone else:
Do you think we are both scum? If so, please justify your response.-
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Poor phrasing. I was in a hurry. I was referring to the post Grey quoted.
P-edit: same to GW. Explain how you read kcda vs. Amrun as scum on scum.-
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I was just asking. 1 for 1 exchanges are great, generally speaking. Just wondering how sure you are of 1scum in kcda/me.
Personally, I'm starting to doubt my own scumread on him, making sacrificing myself useless. :/ Great.
Still, at least all of this is generating content.-
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Some of them are scum. At least some are genuine, though. :/-
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I like imaginality's replace-in post.
Grey, did you really erase mist or was that a joke?
I will be scarce this weekend. Heads up.-
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Smarg, why would grey look worse if I flipped town?
(I actually was in the process of re-reading him and he is scummier for it. I want to hear it from you, though.)-
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That updated read post bumped smarg up to my #1 scumread, to me implying she knows I will flip town, and at the very least, backing away from her "distancing" theory, her only assertion in the game.
That is rich coming from you, though, Grey. Your more subdued aggression is making me doubt you, but my scumread on me smarg makes you town for now.
P-edit: so it's possible I'm town, now?-
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RC, I have left several deliberate hints for you in particular, since you seem to be reading my posts carefully.
The fact that you have failed to address them at all is raising alarm bells in my mind. You've seen them. I can guarantee scum have seen them.
Also, I know exactly what saying my scumread on kcdaspot looks like. You can choose to think I'd backtrack as scum if you so choose.-
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And, just as I thought, now that the tide has turned on me, kcdaspot drops his buddying to me and his entire stance.
Lolscum-
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It's not tunneling; I have other suspects etc. Following through with suspicion isn't tunneling. Tunneling = scum, though.-
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