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Hey ya'll. I know I haven't played with...ANY of you. Still, looking forward to playin with my fellow cowboy bebop fans .
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Given that this is the first day, its highly unlikely that we'll guess correctly. Catching scum is more important.Vi wrote: Also, since nobody else wants to bring it up, I will. Are we going to do anything at all with the bounties?
Exactly. Odds are lynching a bounty will give at least one scum power. Plus, since the bounties will, for the most part, be townies, lynching one is still a mislynch of sorts.Seraphim wrote:Bounties. Well. It's worth noting that we just need to be on the lynch wagon to get the power which means the majority of the players get their power if we do lynch them. Which means it's entirely possible that the entire scum team could easily get this added power if they just happen to be on the wagon. We'll just have to see how it goes."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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I have a hunch that the scum consist of the main space cowboy team of spike, faye, jet, and edward. Could be completely wrong but the bad guys definitely outweigh the good guys in the show. Today's bounty is likely town, as he is a minor character and a rival bounty hunter.Seraphim wrote:I'm thinking if we pull a player more likely to scum on our bounty we should try to pursue it. For example, does anyone think that this cowboy guy is likely to be scum? I don't know anything about him to be honest.
Why even tell us this if you aren't going to say anymore?Seraphim wrote:I have role information regarding the flavor and who the scum are. I'm not saying anymore.
Unvote: Vote: SeraphimLast edited by Fate on Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:26 pm, edited 2 times in total."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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Ugh, sry about the quote fail in #57
My vote on seraphim is a gutread that I'm ready to change when I find someone to be more scummy. His soft-claim just struck me as something intended to confuse. Like "hey...I have information that may hurt the scum team, but I'm not going to tell you it TEEHEE"UncertainKitten wrote:@Toasty: Elaborate the scum intent behind Seraphim's soft claim
Agreed. The whole Bounty concept should just be ignored for now because it requires mis-lynches.UncertainKitten wrote:Mm...can I request a halt to this line of logic? I feel it's dancing around softclaims which we kinda have too many of for three pages. It can, and probably should be revisited later. But for now I think we're not at a good point for it."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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Requires wasn't the best word to use. When I say it 'requires' miss-lynches, I mean that it encourages us to look for someone other than scum. Isn't that exactly what scum would want? It diverts attention away from them and will possibly get them a power too.Lady Lambdadelta wrote: What? I was under the impression that the bounty could be placed on scum or town? This line is weird...
UNVOTE: VOTE: Toasty"A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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It shifts attention away from them by looking for someone who could be town. This is in contrast to a normal game of mafia, as every townie is looking for scum. I have already argued against it, but IF we were to look for a bounty, I would still want the game to carry on as usual. 1) The person should only claim if they have a terrible bounty power; that way we get a large benefit or 2) If there is no character reveal and people are looking for the bounty, then the player with the bounty on his head will probably be acting different. In other words, he or she would be attracting attention to themselves. Honestly, my plan for that is not very thought out, mainly because I would rather ignore the mechanic.Kdub wrote: I don't think this was a slip because you've been consistent in this opinion, but I don't understand how it encourages us to not look for scum. First of all, how do you propose that we would "look" for this random player unless they either claim or there is some sort of action that reveals them? Also, why is does that exclude looking for scum?
You sure change your mind quite a lot for someone with substantial gut-reads. A vote on Rhinox, my "scum-slip," and now suspicion on Jahudo? Are you picking people who don't have a lot of votes on them for a reason?GreyICE wrote: Nice clear posting:
I feel comfortable with my vote. What you did = someone not all that comfortable with what they're saying. Deciding to take my comment as a serious accusation rather than an offhand comment about the sentence. Overdefensive. Jahudo = good wagon. So is Toasty."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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GreyICE, the more you post, the more I think your scum. I'm not going to let you get away with a quicklynch if that is the case."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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@UK: I'm not voting GreyICE because I still think Seraphim can be scum. I unvoted Sera to avoid a quick-lynch. I suspect GreyICE too, but I am reasonably sure that if Seraphim is scum, then GreyICE is town.
My thoughts on LLD: the last few pages have been her defending from attacks that started when she put Seraphim on "L-1." Nacho did the same thing to her. If we're going to lynch her for that then we shouldn't let Nacho get away with it either."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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Voting someone isn't the only way to show suspicions. My no vote = not decided. If GreyICE says one more thing that makes me say "SCUM," then I'll vote him. For now, I'm still focussed on Seraphim but don't want him at L-1. Seriously, though, I don't understand your pressure on me to vote. You weren't voting Seraphim until recently, and Untrod Tripod isn't voting either.UncertainKitten wrote:@Toasty: Let me put it this way. What good does it do town for your vote to be nowhere, at the moment? It's not like GI is at L-2 or something.
Why aren't you backing up your suspicions?"A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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I was about to do a scum list, but soo many people are null reads. I'll only post the people who are probably town and probably scum.
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Kdub:He posts little, but they all contribute. I'm moving him from a null read because of this.
UK: She's questioned pretty much everyone, and is actively scum hunting.
LLD: The vote on her isn't well thought out, and she isn't phased by the votes on her. She played the same way I would have in the given situation.
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GreyICE--Uses logic as a reason for votes that don't actually have much behind them; trying to lead town onto various people, then changing his mind when he sees that he doesn't have a chance.
Seraphim--he says he knows something about flavor, then doesn't tell us what he knows; Also,Seraphim wrote:Logic has no place in a game of Mafia
Seraphim has been very hostile towards GreyICE, which is why I think only one of them can be scum.
Untrod Tripod: Out of all the lurkers, he has been the least productive. Hasn't come up with anything on his own......apparently he voted for me as I'm writing this. You haven't asked any questions of me. I don't vote often, and like to remain consistent. Terrible reason for a vote.
Also, just to appease you, UK, IVOTE: GreyICEI suspect him the most."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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1 of those is RVS, one is an unvote, and the third isn't going to change anytime soon. Note that I only unvoted Seraphim to avoid a quick lynch. misrep."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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why mention this now, after most have decided that your argument is inadequate? more importantly, which previous posts suggests that she was more concerned with a claim. Doesn't matter what a post "looks like" if there's nothing actually there.Seraphim wrote:I need to reread Grey and LLD and try to figure out exactly what I'm doing.
I will admit that rolefishing was a terrible term to use for what I was trying to say, but my point still stands. LLD's posting previous to voting me looks like she was more concerned with my claim and my role than whether or not I was actually scummy.
@Jahudo: Why did you leave LLD, GreyICE, and Seraphim off your list? Its a very fair post, just curious about that.
Anyone else notice how GreyICE has backed off on both attacks and defending? Get in here, man!"A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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@Seraphim: Woah, bro. I'm just trying to get back into this. Your response was equally unhelpful. My point WAS to understand why your opening up an argument that sucked. You are just adding on to it without any proof that it was actually important to you at the time.
And my question to Jahudo is 1) not for you and 2) obviously rhetorical. I want to know why he's leaving out the three big suspects and going straight to UT. Odd to completely ignore them.
Don't insult me. It doesn't add anything."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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Vi, Rhinox's entire post is an attack on GreyICE. If you want me to defend myself from a name-drop mention, I will do so. However, other than claiming we're scum buddies--a conclusion that he bases entirely on scumGreyICE quotes--there is NO ARGUMENT for me to defend against. PLUS, the whole incorrect quoting thing is annoying and made me want to skim it. So I did.
He never actually attacks me in the post. I stand by my GreyICE vote, and voted him when there was little pressure on him. The fact that GreyICE's viewpoint on me has changed doesn't say anything. TO me, I just see that as GreyICE realizing that his argument against myself was sub-par (he can be looking for more evidence or have changed his mind).
2) Rhinox's post gave him a few +scum points. He calls out myself and GreyICE as scum. He attacks grey, who l too have attacked. Then, by association, he mentions me as his scum-buddy based on 3 quotes by Grey--NOT me. The fact that I'm often mentioned in GreyICE's posts is not a scum tell
VI, I'm surprised that you think his post was an actual argument.
Bottom Line: I think GreyICE is scum. If Rhinox thinks so as well, good. But bringing me into the argument is useless. Rhinox and Vi, if you think we're both scum, then I would like to see a case proving it. At this point, I see no reason to defend myself."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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I also totally was the first person to vote Grey. Its not really bussing if I started the case on him.Seraphim wrote:That's not completely true, Toasty is totally bussing his buddy, Grey.
LLD: who is scum with me?
@Kdub: I'll put a summary case together in a sec."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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The thing that bugs me the most about GreyICE is how he passes everything off as "logical" when his posts have little of it. His defense for half his posts is "reason, which you don't have." This constant mention that he's allegedly good at making arguments isn't found in his posts, and he doesn't support his reads with facts. This posting habit makes me think GreyICE is trying to lead town with baseless information. This is a huge contrast to, say, UK, who is leading by asking questions rather than spouting new reads every so often.
Add that to his votes, but more importantly his sudden shifts in attention towards other players. He has only stayed on Seraphim because he realizes there's a chance for a lynch. When he saw that people weren't voting me, he moves to Seraphim. Ignore GreyICE's scum list, and these are the people he's called scum: Seraphim, Me, Jahudo, CES, Antitown, and Rhinox (says he's waffling on this one)
Jahudo's is important because he starts of by calling it a good lynch, then calls him town when Seraphim suspects him. He also places him in his town list. Where did this sudden switch come from? No telling from his posts.
CES and Antitown are easy targets because they've been lurking, but, really, doesn't Katsuki (of Antitown) always lurk? Not to mention the computer problems they mentioned. I've never played with CES, but the other players seem to be used to it. No one else has attacked him.
His focus has been on Seraphim for a majority of the game. This leads me to believe that if GreyICE is scum, Seraphim is town. Or vice-versa, but I'm in favor of a GreyICE lynch before a Seraphim one."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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@UK: I'm not attacking the line in which he mocks my gut-read, if thats what your referring to. I'm attacking the many instances in which his votes come out of nowhere under the guise of being "logical."
And I used you as an example to show a difference. I don't consider you to be leading, but you are my strong town-read. You got that way because of all the questions."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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No lies in there. Would you like me to point out where you've called them scum? I ISO'd you, its quite easy.
I don't know if you're town. The fact that you "know" is meaningless, as it can be complete BS. Thats exactly what I'm in favor of, I just think there is a greater chance that YOU are scum and seraphim is town.GreyICE wrote:Wait... you're in favor of lynching me... then if I flip town... lynching seraphim?
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I fucking know I'm flipping town. And this is the first reason anyone has given me that Seraphim might. Holy fuck. FAILURE. It is a fucking option."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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Hello boys and girls! Here's a list of examples in which GreyICE has targeted scum.
GreyICE wrote:Toasty:I have a gut read of my own. You're scum. It's a good gut read. Flavor mechanics, IoA, setup speculation, and more waffles than Jahudo.UnvoteVote: ToastedGreyICE wrote: Nice clear posting:I feel comfortable with my vote. What you did = someone not all that comfortable with what they're saying.Deciding to take my comment as a serious accusation rather than an offhand comment about the sentence?
Overdefensive. Jahudo = good wagon.So is Toasty.GreyICE wrote:I'm backpeddling? It was an offhand comment. Your post was scummy.
One scummy post does not make you scum, as I will happily link you to game after game where townies make perfectly scummy posts. This reaction? Yeah. That does it for me.
UnvoteVote: SeraphimLogic has no place in a game of Mafia my ASS. Logic is what I like to operate on.GreyICE wrote:Scummy
Vi - you're doing a lot of theory, which you're comfortable with, you're quoting other games and asking questions, which you're comfortable with, but I'm not sure you're scumhunting.GreyICE wrote: As for the Rhinox vote, I think it described it accurately. He showed up, made an random vote on the first page, yes, but without mentioning a damn thing that was happening (which is to say that there was no RVS), and vanished for pages. Best reason for a vote I saw by that stage.GreyICE wrote:The reactions to CES are priceless? What? He's posted a grand total of blah in the thread. If I had a dayvig I'd have no problem dropping his ass.
Yeah, read into his talk of Antitown a little too much, but he's still mentioned as scum. But other than that, my list is accurate. Thanks Vi for letting me know that I missed you--had to ISO him a second time.GreyICE wrote:As for who you're scum with, looks like Vi. Third I don't know yet. If I had to bet, the list Antitown, ToastyToast, and CES.TBH, I'm thinking Antitown is probably town, as Antihero has vanished in general, so absence is probably a null tell, and Kats lurks pretty badly most of the time. Just too little content to be sure. Nacho is worth keeping an eye on, it's probably bad to be suspicious of players who are good at being quietly town when they're scum just because they are good at it, but I keep a better eye on them than someone who is pretty easy to read.
Definitely not LLD, Kitten, Tripod, Jahudo, or kdub, they all feel solid town. Rhinox I keep waffling on, a few things rub me wrong, but he just feels too sincere to be scum.
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No I didn't. Those were all direct quotes. Direct quotes are what you said. Therefore, unless I changed the words, it is not a misrep. I took exactly what you said. The only quote you challenged was that of Jahudo, which you claim was a mistake. I don't have to believe such a claim.GreyICE wrote: Toasty did the same only 100x worse because he lied and misrepped me in the thread. He has never attempted to find out my alignment, he just tried to find reasons that I was scum. And you? You did the same thing just now.
Now Seraphim looks better simply because of that Toasty lynch chain. Town does not lynch chain. Toasty saw an opportunity to guarentee two back-to-back town lynches.
That is the scummiest thing I've seen. He is 100% scum.
I'll be back when everyone decides to get their head out of their ass and vote for scum over town. And yes, Rhinox, I'm fucking pissed off. Scum is running the show, and the rest of you are sheeping scum or lurking, except for LLD.
You claim I want to chain lynches. I won't have to because your going to flip scum. I find Seraphim scummy, too. But I'd much rather lynch you over him.
Also, why are you attacking me on this point, when players are suggesting the opposite?
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Is this not the same thing? And yet it makes me scum and makes LLD an active townie.Lady Lambdadelta wrote: The hole is that I am convinced you are scum. Therefore, I am convinced Grey is town.
However, I can't just prove Grey is town by saying "Sera is scum" because you haven't flipped yet. Understand? Ok for me to speculate and act upon. Not ok to use as solid proof.
Rage and rage all you want, I am not convinced.I will not remove my vote from you today, and my vote will go on you again tomorrow unless significant evidence points elsewhere
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The only posts I quoted were one's in which you accused someone of being scum. I'm pretty sure that's an opinion.GreyICE wrote: Ooh, you can take a quote out of context and pretend it shows my opinion.
Don't make assumptions. I've read every single one. More than once too. Seriously, stop defending based on claims that have no evidence behind it. If you would like toGreyICE wrote: I showed why those were out of context Toasty. If you'd read my posts, you'd understand the context. You haven't read them, you've skimmed them looking for something you can call scummy, something you can use to build your fake case.provethat I'm spouting BS or skimming posts or that I'm just obvscum, then by all means do so. But things like this do not count as evidence.
So let's say I am lynched and flip town. Then what? Is Seraphim your #1 suspect again? Or do you have anything else that says he's town? This sounds a lot like the same lynch-chaining that I'm allegedly guilty of. OH yes, so very eager, Mr. Lets-ignore-LLD's post section completely. I'm VErY EAGER to SEE YOU FLIP SCUM. Then, I won't have to worry about Seraphim.GreyICE wrote: As to why I don't want to lynch Seraphim, it is painfully obvious that despite his incredible play, he is town, because you were so very, very, very eager to chain the lynches together. And that is so very, very, very scum. You are so very, very, very scum. So good job! Not only did you claim scum in the thread (once people wake up and smell the rotting mess), you confirmed a mislynch as town!
You to were so obviously opposed to one another that it suggests only one of you scummy two is actually scum. Why the sudden shift? Just as your all-powerful, logical reads change as the game goes on, my read on you has grown stronger and stronger. Remember this?GreyICE wrote:Why the sudden shift in confidence Toasty? When did it switch to "well they're not scum together, and I feel better about ICE" to "ICE is definitely scum, and I don't have to lynch Seraphim obv obv obv?"
When I called you on lynch chaining? Oh yes. I do believe that's exactly when.
Do bother to die, obvscum.
Turns out, you've posted quite a lot. And your attitude hasn't changed one bit. My suspicions of you kept growing and growing, and when Kdub asked for a case, I gave it to him. The evidence I have on you is WAY more than the evidence I had on Seraphim.ToastyToast wrote:Unvote: Seraphim
GreyICE, the more you post, the more I think your scum. I'm not going to let you get away with a quicklynch if that is the case.
Calling me obvscum doesn't make it true. Neither does surrounding my posts in things like "THIS IS MADE BY SCUM.""A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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Wow, I posted those quotes to counter my supposed misrep and to provide evidence for the list of people you have accused of being scum. Good night."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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I've already said LLD is town. I wasn't asking for a mislynch, just pointing out that you are attacking me for something that can be used against someone you consider to be town."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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@ Nacho: I've been accused of bussing. I made that decision to show how serious I am about getting GreyICE lynched. I have become more and more sure of my read.
Also, what about the bounty discussion made me look scummy?
@Antitown: Our argument has the large problem of being the same thing over and over again. My reasons for voting GreyICE should be clear at this point. They haven't changed at all. I think I have an obligation to support my points with multiple counts of evidence, as well as defend myself from the lack thereof in GreyICE's arguments against me. If you want the summarized version of my argument, see post 367. The only important additions after this post are his claim that I am misrepping, his framing of my posts as coming from scum, and, later what I see as hypocritical statements regarding the chaining of lynches."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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@GreyICE: I think you misread the quote in response to UK. I was questioning why she was pressuring me into a vote that I wasn't 100% sure about. And yes, much of my case is based on your reactions to the vote and to the case I began to form. The reaction just added to my scum-read, and thus I have become 100% sure of my vote. And I've already explained the list of people you've suspected clearly enough. You said it was a misrep, I responded by finding all the quotes in which you have suspected someone. This includes Rhinox, as an RVS vote isn't really an RVS vote at all if you place it down out of suspicion.
Question: What is your scum-read on Vi relying most on? The "uselessness" of his posts, his attack on you and agreement with me, or something else?"A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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I admit that I misread your views of Antitown (and already did so earlier). You still suspected Rhinox, CES, and Jahudo. Whether or not the Jahudo thing was an actual mistake can be accepted/not accepted by any player, but I have read it as an initial mistake followed by a "clear town read" to distract people from it later."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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Hmmm. If you are town, then probably Seraphim. Why? Strategic vote move when your wagon started to grow, and largely an OMGUS vote. My thoughts that the two of you can't be scum together still stands. I can see why Vi's posts look scummy to you, but they are by no means useless.GreyICE wrote:But make me giggle. Assume for a second I'm town ('cause I am). What's the scummiest vote on this wagon? Do some scumhunting for me, I'd kind of like to see what yours looks like.
We were both in RAGE mode at that time. Its passed, at least for me. I apologize.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:GreyICE and Toasty are making this game a pain in the ass to read."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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With regards to my Seraphim vote, he was by far the scummiest at the time and needed to be pressured.
I was still hesitant to vote you when I did, because I wanted to be sure about it (pretty obvious given the appeasing thing). But when I placed my vote on you, your reactions continually made me more confident with the vote. In other words, I caught onto something small that turned out to be HUGE.
CES hopping is strange, but so are our ever-changing scum-reads and the coincidence that every player you NOW suspect is on your wagon. Seems too OMGUS to believe.
Also, at the end of your case, you say "most likely" toasty. So you are voting for me over Vi, who you are SURE is scum. Why is that?"A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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I've just spent the last day playing DA2, and then I see...all of this.
GAWDAMMIT WHY'D YOU HAVE TO SEEM SO SCUM GREYICE?! If Seraphim flips town, I'm still going to be suspicious. And if it turns out you are scum, then that's one good fake-claim. I would be more helpful right now but I'm brain-dead atm.ToastyToast wrote:I will not remove my vote from you today, and my vote will go on you again tomorrow unless significant evidence points elsewhere
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IF you mean the GreyICE claim, I'll believe it when he investigates. Its his choice WHO to investigate, but I want to hear the result.UncertainKitten wrote:@Toasty: Reaction to my claim. Now.
Also, I'm not today's bounty. I was expecting it to be me early, however, based on lore.
Vi's recent vote on me is...WTF."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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It doesn't clear you, but if you get a scum result on someone, and we then lynch them because of it...A town flip=LIES, u get lynched. A scum flip, then I'd be willing to say your town.GreyICE wrote:You mean. The result. Of an investigation. Is what clears me?
THE FUCK?
Explain, plox.
If you get a town result, you could just be trying to clear someone. So, my opinion does to some extent rely on the results."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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No, I'm saying that if you did fake a guilty, we'd lynch you for it.GreyICE wrote: So your rationale is that I might claim a fake guilty on day 2 to get a mislynch.
Or you're setting up WIFOM in case I investigate you.
Dee dee dee. I can make a bet..."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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I think you're going to have to link it. Lost, sorry.UncertainKitten wrote:@Toasty: No, my claim. The one that cleared GI in the first place.
Its hard to disprove. Scum has a lot of options which such a claim, and he gets cleared as town. Of course I would lynch someone who claimed a false guilty, thats the point! Of course, this whole RedDragonClan possibly being a town group complicates matters.Vi wrote: Toasty - It is indeed What The Fencesit.
What about that falseclaim you said was so good? And wouldn't you lynch someone who claimed a false guilty anyway?"A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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I know how to ISO, but thanks for newb-speak directions.UncertainKitten wrote:@Toasty:
Step 6: Read said post
Step 7: ???
Step 8: Profit!!!
I agree with your proof against him. I don't think its scummy on your part. The only thing that has put doubt in my mind about GreyICE is his claim. Its certainly thrown off the lynch of him today, but I'm keeping my eye on him. Thats why I want to test his ability. GreyICE has BY FAR said the scummiest things D1, but he's also posted A LOT.
Points on Nacho are interesting. Do you agree with me that Seraphim and GreyICE can't be scum together?
Yes.Kdub wrote:Toasty:
So if GreyICE came back with a guilty tomorrow, you would want to lynch that person to test his claim? What if he claimed a guilty on someone who you had a town read on? I'm just trying to understand your stance here.
I was referring to my anger towards him that resulted in the hasty decision that said I would not change my vote. He does seem scum, I think the fact that he got to L-1 proves that. I just have a little doubt in my read now.Vi wrote: ---
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1)I'm not allowed to question people?GreyICE wrote:
Well believe it or not, Vi gave good answers.UncertainKitten wrote:Well, convince me then, GI:
A) How is Toasty flailing anymore than his relative uselessness before this?
B) What makes Toasty scummy rather than just bad?
C) What makes Toasty a better candidate than Seraphim?
Answering these questions will greatly elucidate things, and POSSIBLY compel me to listen to you.
A)The COP. You're being tunneled by a Cop. What is his response to me being called confirmed town as a cop?
1) Question why you're town and Nacho is town
2) Once that line of attack fails, dies, and drops off the planet, subtly hints they should lynch me as a scum test if I get a guilty (note: been tunneling him all day)
3) Then jumps like a dying Orca onto the insane notion that RDC is town.
2)DA2=no life; also, thats not what I said. I'll lynch someone who you get a scum-guilty on. If that guilty flips town, you should be scum.
3)Its a POSSIBILITY. I didn't say OMG ITS TOWN.
Also, the only reason I'm useless right now is because I'm sticking to my word. Do you honestly think my argument against GreyICE was useless?
I'm for a Seraphim full claim.
The posts you asked me to read...lead you to vote GreyICE. All relevant facts, but his claim throws me off. UGH this is last time I'm referring to your question.UncertainKitten wrote:Proof...against him...what?
What are you even talking about, Toasty?
Also, did UT die?
and GreyICE: are you suggesting to lynch me today or Seraphim today? Confused about this. BTW, I have no problem with who you choose to investigate. There's no reason to investigate Seraphim given his claim. Tired of your misreps, thats why I WILL continue to suspect you. Nothing will change that.
I want to hear Nacho's reaction to my claim of not being today's bounty.
Ah, new posting by Seraphim. That was quite an accident. Hm.."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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Hmm I suppose this would be of no harm to RDC if they were town. Good point. Only issue is if scum knows something we don't. Like, RDC have powerroles or something similar.Rhinox wrote:
No one has any thoughts on this at all?Rhinox wrote:One way of figuring this out would be if there are any other RDC-town players. Anyone see any harm in a mass RDC claim at this point?
greyICE is venturing into delusional territory now as well. Its one thing to suspect seraph to be gambitting scum, but he's not incompetant. "Misreading the role PM" is a horrible theory/reason to call someone scum.
So he's agreeing with you. No need for caps-rage (your not Fate).GreyICE wrote:WE WON'T SEE ANY MORE RDC CLAIMS UNLESS ITS A SCUM CLAIM IN THE THREAD. I WOULD BET HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS ON THIS HAPPILY. I ASKED PAGES AGO AND NO ONE HAS SAID "YEP THAT'S ME.""A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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Okay, I'm not 100% sure so...thats my reaction. Seriously, if you want me to comment on something in which my opinion is obvious, the least you could do is put in a URL.UncertainKitten wrote:/me facepalms
Unvote, Vote Seraphim
GI is town, much as I hate to admit it. I can say this with certainty. GI, why don't you try hard? Your entire game has been lackluster.
If it's not clear,I am 100% sure GI is town, from his claim
Not the epic bread-crumming of my bro Andrius. And he be on the mafia-radio thing right nowVi wrote: Hi, I'm Julia. I've been Andrius-claiming Miller for the past like seven posts now.
I know what a Miller looks like. It's not how Seraphim is describing it.
@Vi: Yeah, thats why I'm not switching my vote. But GreyICE still isn't cleared from my list, and, if that gets me lynched/vigged, so be it.
Seraphim needs to die. Lynch all Liars.
@GreyICE:
I think they get the point.GreyICE wrote:I wanna lynch toasty. I'm okay with leaving the claimed third party alive for now."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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So you can say it because most people think you're town, but I can't?UncertainKitten wrote:EBWOP: Also, Toasty's use of LAL rhetoric is making me uncomfortable about Seraph.
I've been leaning Grey-ICE scum, with Seraphim town as a consequence. His switch claim switch and GreyICE's claim have turned it the other way. Is that really so scummy?
I love how once GreyICE claims, people began to consider me scum. My argument against him was OBVIOUSLY a good one if it got him to L-1, then, BAM everyone is on my ass for a change in opinion. I would LOVE to see a case from someone other than GreyICE. You know, one that doesn't misrep me.
The game started when I was on break. It allowed me to stay on most of the day and form answers. I've ignored it because I had no idea what you were talking about. I asked for a link and you in turn decided to call me useless. Yeah, very interesting, but also very fucking reasonable.UncertainKitten wrote:@Toasty: The thing is, you never reacted to it, and it's quite interesting you've spent all this time ignoring it.
Now you sound like meGreyICE wrote:No. Someone mighta missed it.
I WANNA LYNCH TOASTY"A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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The only other people I'd vote for right not are UT and Seraphim. Both of which I'm sure GreyICE will attack me for doing. But I'llVi wrote:Well, whichever. I'm going to sleep. If I can catch up in the morning, yay. If not, Sunday afternoon.
Toasty: Don't worry about going back on your word. Vote who you think is scum.Unvote:GreyICEand think it over again."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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Thats what I was thinking. It would make him confirmed town for the rest of the game, which seems odd. I've never played with a lyncher before--do they often have a scum target?Kdub wrote: A lyncher that stays in the game with all of his abilities once he wins? That would be pretty bad setup design if true. Sounds like you need an excuse for still being in the game if somebody dies and flips as Vicious.
@GreyICE: can you link the post in which I use WIFOM?"A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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If we are to believe seraphim's claim, then when he reaches his wincon, he becomes a confirmed townie with the ability to keep all his powers. What does keeping him around get us? Today has largely become about who the bad guys are. The mix of all the claims so far makes the game unbelievable. We have millers, a one-shot cop who may not even be investigating scum, and a lyncher. I understand how the miller thing could be a throw-off for town, but the lyncher seems...out of place to me.Nachomamma8 wrote:Toasty what are you talking about with the lyncher comment?
I agree with this. Lynching Seraphim has the least drawbacks at this point. We either take out a third party that could be aiming for town or lynch scum. On the offchance that he's trying to lynch scum, we find out exactly who we're looking for and use GreyICE's information to take out the red dragon.UncertainKitten wrote: Lynching one of the millers directly at this point is a suboptimal strategy since you're pretty much proven not town. We win regardless of your flip given our parameters. Further, your flip provides ~*~informations~*~ that lead to scum, whether it's your buddy or unrelated to you.
Vote: Seraphim"A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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Town also seems to want to lynch seraph over Vi. Or, are you suggesting that all 6 people on his wagon are scum? And CES agreeing with you would clear him? BS, I hope that was a joke.
Looks like I was right. Voting for Seraphim brings the wrath of the narrow-minded GreyICE who seems to think he can lead town based on a role claim. He's also assuming a vig exists. BTW, I'm pretty sure no matter who I voted for, you would respond with "Scum wanna lynch [name] over [name]""A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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The only way I'm voting for Vi is if you get a scum-read on her tonight. So, no, both you and Seraphim have a higher place on my scum list."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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I can see Vi-scum, but only if I'm incorrect about SeraphimNachomamma8 wrote:Nachomamma8 wrote:Toasty, who is your scumread on the Seraphim wagon right now?
Rhinox is null, at best.
@GreyICE: Vi claimed miller. Seraphim claimed miller, THEN third party. Which is more suspicious?"A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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I'm referring to a possible vengeful kill on Jahudo.Nachomamma8 wrote:The truth that Jahudo is scum?
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No, but dying and flipping scum after the fact could be considered a scumtell . Or are you going to claim miller like the others?Jahudo wrote:Hammering claimed third party is a scumtell now? Ok. I'm still waiting for the glory. Its not too late Nacho."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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I'm guessing you missed the sarcasm in that post. Too many millers in this game = probably not millers.
Can't I at least die in something more interesting? Like, death by cake? smothered by jello?
OMG GREYICE STFU I CANT POST WITH ALL THIS POSTING. I'm OBVIOUSLY SAYING SOMETHING IMPORTANT HERE."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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Wait, so, your cop thing was a bounty power?
This flip means that spike's group is town. So, the red dragon ppl are probably scum. more later, have a big test to study for right now."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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you lied about cop, and now you claim HIDER? WTF THATS LIKE THE SCUMMIEST--ugh, not to mention one-shot hider, which makes no sense at all.
seriously, there are only two options:
1)You're purposely playing stupid so we can get bounty rewards
2)Scum
this means: quite a safe lynch. And we lynched a 3rd partyD1--nothing wrong with that.
I wish we could ask kitten if her role info changes with his new claim :/
@Kdub: her death could be strategic on scum's part. We can't ask her if her opinion on GreyICE has changed.
Question for GreyICE: UK said her role-info suggested you were town. Did you have role info that suggested she was town?
I'm also willing to vote Vi/Jahudo, but still, GreyICE...#@!*#*(*$&(*#*$#"A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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You missed my question involving UK. Since its one-shot, are you willing to tell us who you targeted now?
Unvote:GreyICEfor his reasonable response involving hider mechanics."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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Around her L-1 vote on GreyICE, she claims that she has role-info that suggests GI as town.Jahudo wrote:Which UK post are we talking about again?
@LLD: I'm trying to understand hiders, but Andrius sucks at teaching. If that's the reason for suspicion, I apologize.
I'm ISOing Vi before I place down a vote--just in case."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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I was expecting more from Rhinox's argument. Ignorance does not make GreyICE obvscum--obvdumb, maybe (omg i've wanted to say that forever i'm so creative)!
Before I place my vote down, Why would scum claim miller? The fact that multiple people have said as such makes me feel as if its...too obvious for both to be scum. Do you think in some situation either Jahudo or Vi IS a miller, and the other is scum? Thats what I am thinking right now, but its more of a question of which one."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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Just did a quick ISO of Vi.
I don't like her defense of me throughout the game, then sudden switch onto me after GreyICE lynch began to rot.
No reason for such a miller claim that early in the game.
If, however, she IS Julia, then we can assume that Vi is a Miller, leaving Jahudo in the open
Vote: VI
I am in favor of learning who GreyICE hid behind. It will clear someone as town, so we should use the move to our advantage, ESPECIALLLY if he hid behind someone we have been suspecting."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
Town: 12-10 (I think)Mafia: 1-1Third Party: 1-0Alive in:0Dead in:0Modded: 2-
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ToastyToast Mafia Scum
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- Joined: February 11, 2011
- Location: Los Angeles
@Rhinox: If you look at GreyICE's crumbing near the end of D1, it would be reasonable to conclude that he was going to hide behind me (or Vi). The whole "oops" moment that GreyICE seems to be playing is a pain in the ass, but it doesn't mean he isn't telling the truth. I think its best to trust UK, who a majority of us had on town lists throughout the game."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
Town: 12-10 (I think)Mafia: 1-1Third Party: 1-0Alive in:0Dead in:0Modded: 2